Mini 2123: Greatest Idea IX - Game Over

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TSE's discard worries me - it's a role that's godawful as scum but not that bad as town

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Good morning! I am Y'shtola Rhul, a scholar and observer of the art of mafia.

I hope to learn a lot from this game, so feel free to go all out!

I hope you're some overpowered town role because you discarded Town Cop of all things.

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I still think TSE's discard was worse though, Town Cop is only a bad discard because it's good town utility but also useful for non-Mafia scum

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VOTE: TrueSoleEnergy

I feel confident here. I know cBG is negative utility, but that makes it worse in hindsight as it hides the value of your cards.

Kerset, I don't think you realize how much worse cBG is for you if you are scum, especially SK. It's also outright terrible for Survivor and Lyncher as well. Needless to say, cBG is the least bad for Town.

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VOTE: TrueSoleEnergy

I feel confident here. I know cBG is negative utility, but that makes it worse in

hindsight as it hides the value of your cards.

Kerset, I don't think you realize how much worse cBG is for you if you are scum, especially SK. It's also outright terrible for Survivor and Lyncher as well. Needless to say, cBG is the least bad for Town.

So VT doesn’t hide it?

VT makes you look a little scummy but it is a banal discard, at least VT isn't a townsided role

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VT, Alien Sympathiser

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VT, Alien Sympathiser

Did you only have 1 VT?

in that setup where I discarded VT? No.

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VT, Alien Sympathiser

Did you only have 1 VT?

in that setup where I discarded VT? No.

In all Setups.

If you can't gather that I got more than one VT across all setups by me saying I got more than one setup in the setup I discarded VT...your thought streamer isn't working

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ebwop: I got more than one VT in the setup I discarded VT

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TSE: I got two VT's in the setup where VT was my discard. 33 should tell you I didn't only have one VT on that setup, and it can't be 0 otherwise I wouldn't be able to discard a VT

If you're scumreading me because logic eludes you then you're most likely either scum or won't help in LyLo anyway.

pedit: the alignment card push seems towny

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TSE: I got two VT's in the setup where VT was my discard. 33 should tell you I didn't only have one VT on that setup, and it can't be 0 otherwise I wouldn't be able to discard a VT

If you're scumreading me because logic eludes you then you're most likely

either scum or won't help in LyLo anyway.

pedit: the alignment card push seems towny

I don’t like the way your going about all this.
And what if I said

“Bolded”

actually applies to you.

You do realize there are

13

VT cards in this setup right? It is definitely possible I got two VTs and you got a VT in Setup A (which isn't this setup, otherwise you'd see me having a VT discard).

You trying to "no u" me feels pseudo-OMGUSy because of that

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I threw away Werewolf Tracker because I had something better

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Cop is a useful role for any alignment but Mafia...

I would take a Cop unless I got some super role

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Cop is a useful role for any alignment but Mafia...

I would take a Cop unless I got some super role

I would take a dayvig or a regular vig over a cop tbf

yeah, there are a lot of roles I'd consider super, such as those two, or Watcher for that matter

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or mason (I won a marathon as a lone mason, don't argue with me on mason being a super role), or BH, or role cop, or...

yeah cop is a great role but there are a lot of super roles

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I got two VTs in setup A, I don't discount the possibility that you drew a VT as well

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Setup A was a triple town setup for me, my role there was Seer Lover

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If I am at L-1 let me know so I can claim my super role

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chose the wild card for alignment

That card is actually overpowered, I would have done the same

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Setup A was a triple town setup for me, my role there was Seer Lover

And this setup is my triple Town setup.
And Setup A was my triple scum setup.

Did you have a triple scum setup?

I did not roll triple scum for any setup.

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I used a VT for alignment this setup

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I better claim here:

My cards were:

Mafia Watcher
Vanilla Townie
Werewolf Tracker

and I am a Town Watcher, which is a super role as if it targets the nightkill and gets one name, that name is the one who sent out the NK

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I've won a Greater Idea marathon as a town mason (threw away werewolf supersaint) so yeah

Gotta keep the legacy rolling

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In that case Nom Imh's vote is very much trying to line a mislynch on me.

And also managed to force a claim out of me so I could save myself at the last minute

VOTE: Nom Imh

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Wild card can be town or benign 3P

But I think Nom is scum anyway based on votes

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Wild card can be town or benign 3P

But I think Nom is scum anyway based on votes

If Non Imh really used the wild card for alignment, his alignment would've always been town, not randomized.

... that's not how the wild card works

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I've played with Titus, EspressoPatronum, Kerset, and Sujimichi before.

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I'm willing to bet Nom is scum because of the opportunistic vote, presumably Nom knew voting me would force a claim out of me or get me quickhammered (thankfully the latter didn't happen)

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I would take cBG or mason over conspiracy theorist if I were BBmolla

I would definitely not use Survivor as an alignment, I'd rather be VT lol

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I watched Yshtola Rhul night 1.

I saw CSF visit.

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

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Why was that not your first post? Why did you wait until you were prompted?

Because people seem to SR me for being TL

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Why was that not your first post? Why did you wait until you were prompted?

Because people seem to SR me for being TL

I do not understand. How does your predisposition to being read as Mafia due to your username preclude you from announcing what you should see as a guilty in your first post and prior to being prompted? Would that not make you more likely to be read as Mafia?

I've gotten towenread in games for acting scummy before.

Don't think I don't think in the aether.

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That does not answer my question.

People look at me and assume scum, my username is a username.

I have a watcher guilty, my thought stream of bbmolla's cards came first.

I should have did it the first post but that would get me read as #lolscum and #fakewatcher

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Pink Ball likely isn't town regardless

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But a guilty is a guilty, you can't say it's only a half A press

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Pink Ball likely isn't town regardless

Why do you say this?

It's called a SR and I think PB could be a fake as well but a scum RB is a high value target so PB is bad regardless of the truth of his CC

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I want to murder someone who spent yesterday pushing Yshtola b/c that was a dead horse if I ever saw one

I already did that for you in Titus

why would a town bloodsucker ever kill titus?

I'm not sure how Titus ever did anything wrong this game

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VOTE: Pink Ball

You're causing too much confusion and WIFOM for this game.

You're either scum, or you're scum.

I am willing to unvote when this hits L-2 if further discussion is needed.

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VOTE: Pink Ball

You're causing too much confusion and WIFOM for this game.

You're either scum, or you're scum.

I am willing to unvote when this hits L-2 if further discussion is needed.

Why are you voting Pink Ball over your guilty? That does not make sense.

I explained why in the post you quoted.

Pink Ball is litarlalyle causing the game to become a WIFOM mess.

But yeah, that doesn't make sense.

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

I'm still FoSing Pink Ball btw

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I would have gotten multiple people in my watch result if multiple people targeted Yshtola, yes

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I hope you know that I am actually a watcher

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because truth is the best defense

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It's between TL and CSF but whatever

Your result contradicts TL so it's you vs him???
If TL is town then both CSF and you are scum

Pink Ball's result does not directly contradict TemporalLich's result as there is a role that exists that could negate Pink Ball's roleblock. However, TemporalLich's result directly contradicts Cat Scratch Fever's assertion that she did not target anyone last night.

Why would anyone openly admit to performing a factional nightkill?

Someone who does is 100% openwolfing

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because truth is the best defense

holy fucking shit, guy

you can't even bother saying you're town???

...because that is not a defense?

And I already said I was town before when I said I used VT for alignment

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If you think scum will openly admit to performing a factional nightkikl your hubris will eventually pull you outside time

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Suji doesn't know the concept of TMI, and thinks scum are brazen enough to openly admit nightkills inthread

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You can keep your L, I already have enough

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No Action is a convenient fakeclaim

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I would be surprised if PB wasn't scum this game

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let this be a lesson to me - I need better fakeclaims if I ever roll scum investigative again

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I would be surprised if PB wasn't scum this game

quoting this because PB managed to be town this game