Mini 2123: Greatest Idea IX - Game Over

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Out of ALL MY SETUPS

I GET THE ONE WHERE I’M TOWN!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I could have been Serial Killer One-Shot Paranoid Gun Owner
Or Mafia Bulletproof.

If I would have gotten SK I would have looked Town because I would have discarded Mafia Goon.
As I had SK, WW and Mafia as my alignment options.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

SMH when your choices of cards in a Setup is all Town and you cry.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The following cards have been discarded:

Player Name	Discard
TemporalLich	Werewolf Tracker
Titus	Alien Bulletproof Lover
TrueSoulEnergy	Town Compulsive Bodyguard
EspressoPatronum	Mafia Ninja
GlowingOvineChimes	Vanilla Townie
BBmolla	Tentacled Townie
Kerset	Serial Killer Alien-Immune
Non lmh	Vanilla Townie
Sujimichi	Mafia Goon
Untrod Tripod	Hirsute Goon
Yshtola Rhul	Town Cop
SirCakez	Werewolf Cop
Cat Scratch Fever	Alpha Werewolf

Fuck CSF.
You would have been a great Alpha Werewolf.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Just looking at this.
There is a chance for majority to be scum.
Which is just awful.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Yshtola Rhul

Who passes a Cop?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

NGL I would have loved SK Cop.

Anyway I’ll take my leave so others can post.

I hope to play this setup again in the future.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE's discard worries me - it's a role that's godawful as scum but not that bad as town

My choices were 2 other Town roles.
1 being VT which I used as my Alignment.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Good morning! I am Y'shtola Rhul, a scholar and observer of the art of mafia.

I hope to learn a lot from this game, so feel free to go all out!

I hope you're some overpowered town role because you discarded Town Cop of all things.

If you saw my three cards, you would understand why.

If your Town you Must have gotten Town Vigilante or something.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: TrueSoleEnergy

I feel confident here. I know cBG is negative utility, but that makes it worse in

hindsight as it hides the value of your cards.

Kerset, I don't think you realize how much worse cBG is for you if you are scum, especially SK. It's also outright terrible for Survivor and Lyncher as well. Needless to say, cBG is the least bad for Town.

So VT doesn’t hide it?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I still think TSE's discard was worse though, Town Cop is only a bad discard because it's good town utility but also useful for non-Mafia scum

Do you want to be a sacrificing Town Role?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: TrueSoleEnergy

I feel confident here. I know cBG is negative utility, but that makes it worse in

hindsight as it hides the value of your cards.

Kerset, I don't think you realize how much worse cBG is for you if you are scum, especially SK. It's also outright terrible for Survivor and Lyncher as well. Needless to say, cBG is the least bad for Town.

So VT doesn’t hide it?

VT makes you look a little scummy but it is a banal discard, at least VT isn't a townsided role

What did you discard from your other setup’s?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VT, Alien Sympathiser

Did you only have 1 VT?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VT, Alien Sympathiser

Did you only have 1 VT?

in that setup where I discarded VT? No.

In all Setups.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VT, Alien Sympathiser

Did you only have 1 VT?

in that setup where I discarded VT? No.

In all Setups.

If you can't gather that I got more than one VT across all setups by me saying I got more than one setup in the setup I discarded VT...your thought streamer isn't working

ebwop: I got more than one VT in the setup I discarded VT

I don’t understand this.
I don’t see where you mentioned getting more then 1 VT.
And I think your bullshitting because I only gotten 1 VT card and it was in this setup.

VOTE: TL
I don’t like your entrance here.
It’s bad.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Upon further reflection, the Alpha WW discard by CSE isn't as good as I initially thought it was. It's only good as a role if you pair it with a WW alignment card. WW Alpha is redundant in every other case bcz non-WWs don't appear guilty to seers.

I don't think it's a bad discard, but I no longer think it's a +town discard. I'd lump it in with the other scum discards.

Just for the future.
It’s CSF.
(Cat Scratch

Fever

)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’ll Town Read Espresso for having a similar thought process.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Oh @Espresso

I think Titus had a interesting discard too.
But at the same time it’s questionable.

They discarded Alien Bulletproof Lover.
I’m wondering why exactly they chose to discard it.
Like Town Bulletproof Lover. Is like really good.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Oh @Espresso

I think Titus had a interesting discard too.
But at the same time it’s questionable.

They discarded Alien Bulletproof Lover.
I’m wondering why exactly they chose to discard it.
Like Town Bulletproof Lover. Is like really good.

I read up on lovers in Greatest Idea on the maf wiki... if my understanding is correct, ALL people with the lover modifier get matched together.

I'm any case, I had a lover draw in I think setup A + I chose to discard it. Imo, with so many potential kills every night, lovers become even worse that normal games.

Oh.
You don’t choose your lover.
I understand now.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE: I got two VT's in the setup where VT was my discard. 33 should tell you I didn't only have one VT on that setup, and it can't be 0 otherwise I wouldn't be able to discard a VT

If you're scumreading me because logic eludes you then you're most likely

either scum or won't help in LyLo anyway.

pedit: the alignment card push seems towny

I don’t like the way your going about all this.
And what if I said

“Bolded”

actually applies to you.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

So far in my town pile are EP and TL

Elaborate on those reads.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE: I got two VT's in the setup where VT was my discard. 33 should tell you I didn't only have one VT on that setup, and it can't be 0 otherwise I wouldn't be able to discard a VT

If you're scumreading me because logic eludes you then you're most likely

either scum or won't help in LyLo anyway.

pedit: the alignment card push seems towny

I don’t like the way your going about all this.
And what if I said

“Bolded”

actually applies to you.

You do realize there are

13

VT cards in this setup right? It is definitely possible I got two VTs and you got a VT in Setup A (which isn't this setup, otherwise you'd see me having a VT discard).

You trying to "no u" me feels pseudo-OMGUSy because of that

I’m assuming when your saying Setup A your referring to yourself correct?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

So far in my town pile are EP and TL

Elaborate on those reads.

EP has been game solving- something I consider town sided

TL has done so to a lesser extent and was the first to do so

WRONG.
I was the first to do so.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Yshtola Rhul

Who passes a Cop?

The following cards have been discarded:

Player Name	Discard
TemporalLich	Werewolf Tracker
Titus	Alien Bulletproof Lover
TrueSoulEnergy	Town Compulsive Bodyguard
EspressoPatronum	Mafia Ninja
GlowingOvineChimes	Vanilla Townie
BBmolla	Tentacled Townie
Kerset	Serial Killer Alien-Immune
Non lmh	Vanilla Townie
Sujimichi	Mafia Goon
Untrod Tripod	Hirsute Goon
Yshtola Rhul	Town Cop
SirCakez	Werewolf Cop
Cat Scratch Fever	Alpha Werewolf

Fuck CSF.
You would have been a great Alpha Werewolf.

Just looking at this.
There is a chance for majority to be scum.
Which is just awful.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

[...]
If I had the choice of a scum role, I would have picked it.

Sadly, I did not roll a single alignment other than town in all three setups. It's quite distressing, actually.
[...]

Can you tell me what cards you rolled in the other two setups?

As it stands, I do not believe that you didn't roll scum in any setup.

You can believe what you like, but that is exactly what happened.

My Setup A cards were Town Conspiracy Theorist, Vanilla Townie, and Town Seer.

My Setup B cards were Town Roleblocker, Town Lynchbait, and Town One-Shot Vigilante.

If it helps, the Alignment card I chose was Town Gravedigger. My role card was something I knew I would want to pick up, so the Town Cop was discarded.

I don’t think scum!you says this.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

God dammit

vote Yshtola

who the fuck turns down a

Town

Cop

Ask SirCakez too

The following cards have been discarded:

Player Name	Discard
SirCakez	Werewolf Cop

They could have chosen Cop but something better showed up.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Also Titus why not just ask me why I discarded Cop rather than indirectly asking via UT

^
I also wonder this.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I got two VTs in setup A, I don't discount the possibility that you drew a VT as well

Yes and I got it In this setup.
Along with 2 other Town Roles.

In my Setup A I had 0 Town.
My options were SK Maf Immune, Werewolf Paranoid 1 Shot Gun Owner (I think that’s how it’s said)
And a Mafia role I don’t remember.

Did you get all Town in Setup A?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Setup A was a triple town setup for me, my role there was Seer Lover

And this setup is my triple Town setup.
And Setup A was my triple scum setup.

Did you have a triple scum setup?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The following cards have been discarded:

Player Name	Discard
TemporalLich	Werewolf Tracker
Titus	Alien Bulletproof Lover
TrueSoulEnergy	Town Compulsive Bodyguard
EspressoPatronum	Mafia Ninja
GlowingOvineChimes	Vanilla Townie
BBmolla	Tentacled Townie
Kerset	Serial Killer Alien-Immune
Non lmh	Vanilla Townie
Sujimichi	Mafia Goon
Untrod Tripod	Hirsute Goon
Yshtola Rhul	Town Cop
SirCakez	Werewolf Cop
Cat Scratch Fever	Alpha Werewolf

@GlowingOvineChimes, @BBmolla, @Non Imh, @Yshtola Rhul

You all discarded town. What card did you use for alignment?
No need to go into roles yet.

Nb - thank you @TSE for claiming your alignment card already. I'll put you down as VT alignment.

I used Survivor for alignment

LMAO.
Way to stay neutral.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Why would you not claim that in your first post?

I would defend molla on this and say Survivor alignment Claiming could be scummy.
But they claimed it. Just not in their first post.

So it is rather odd they decided that right then and there would be the right time to claim it rather then their first post.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Espresso, why no comment on Cakes discard?

[...]
I don't think [CSF'd discard is] a bad discard, but I no longer think it's a +town discard. I'd lump it in with the

other scum discards

.

I've been looking at most of the scum discards as roughly the same - etter than a town discard but not necessarily AI. Kerset's jumped out as +town though because it would be an amazing scum ability for maf/WW/SK but less useful for town.

If I had to rank the others in terms of how much I like them, I'd say:
Great:
Kerset - SK alien immune

Good:
TL - WW tracker
Cake - WW cop

Null:
Suji - maf goon
CSF - alpha WW

Bad/not useful for our info:
Titus - alien BP lover
UT - hirsute maf goon

How did you come up with these tiers?

SK alien immune is a whatever discard. I've played this game like three times on this site and

no one has ever picked alien alignment

WW tracker seems like a pretty bad discard

Not even you?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Temporal

What’s your reason for this vote?
What inspired you to vote this?

Choose an option.
A) Top Wagon
B) Random Fuckin Voting
C) You agree with a player’s opinion on TL
D) You have your own opinion you decided not to share

[TrueSoulEnergy]

chose the wild card for alignment

So you can legit be anything?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Setup A was a triple town setup for me, my role there was Seer Lover

And this setup is my triple Town setup.
And Setup A was my triple scum setup.

Did you have a triple scum setup?

I did not roll triple scum for any setup.

Alright.
What card did you use as your alignment.
Like discarded to be your alignment.
What card was it?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

What's the wild card?
Knowing Molla he would just not care and claim whenever. So I could buy it.

Why would you not claim that in your first post?

Then why would you say

this

in the first place?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I used a VT for alignment this setup

So did I don’t you remember?
So why didn’t you say that sooner?

TBH when I said I used VT wouldn’t it make more sense for you to say you also use VT?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Just don’t know why you didn’t say anything until I asked you.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

What's the wild card?
Knowing Molla he would just not care and claim whenever. So I could buy it.

Why would you not claim that in your first post?

Then why would you say

this

in the first place?

B/c after the question I realized who I was asking lol

Alright. Fair.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm pro-town in spirit but obv believe that as you will

So you get Survivor Vigilante by any chance?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm pro-town in spirit but obv believe that as you will

So you get Survivor Vigilante by any chance?

Stop PR fishing me ty

Not my intention but ok.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: non imh
I actually hate that vote so much.

VOTE: non Imh

@TL
So you like Town over Scum yeah?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Does anybody have any questions? It appears this game has stalled out.

Yes.
Why has it stalled out?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Does anybody have any questions? It appears this game has stalled out.

Yes.
Why has it stalled out?

It appears to me that the primary engagements causing the game to move forward have resolved without incident, and people are not quite certain how to proceed beyond this point.

Then here’s your chance to be the town leader and show everyone how to proceed beyond this point.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Cat Scratch are you trying to fool us?

Their a sneaky cat this game.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Kerset

VC gut

What’s your thoughts on Non again?