Mini 579 - The Plagues of Egypt Mafia - Over

[stark]

Hey comrades,

I'm really excited to be in this game, it looks really super, especially with the illustrations from Undo.


So, I did a full re-read a little while back, and the player who screamed scum the most to was Mr Stoofer.
I was surprised, however, that more attention did not come to him through the course of the game. So, to support my assertions, I have selected a 2 posts that I find particularly interesting:

1. Interaction with Guardian (Posts 165-170)

Also, I want to put the following point on the record:

If we do not lynch thevampireofdussledorf today, we should lynch SlySly.

Why?

Now, Stoofer has asserted that Guardian was scum. If that's indeed the case, then I find his response most intriguing.

(Post 167 and 168 have been fused for reading ease)

Also, I want to put the following point on the record:

If we do not lynch thevampireofdussledorf today, we should lynch SlySly.

Why?

Are you sure you want me to say this? Really?
What I mean, Guardian, is that I don't think that it is a good idea but I will explain if you (

and only you

) absolutely insist.

Noted that both players in question were town.

Guardian's reaction is also interesting.

Stoofer, I don't insist.

What i got from these posts was Guardian scum was bussing too hard, and Stoofer scum commanding him to let up, which was immediately complied to.

Take from that what you will.

2.

OMFG how have we not lynched Musher yet? Do you guys not understand the fact that he gave himself away, by accusing me of being scum

for defending Guardian

. That means that

he knew that Guardian was scum

. And the only way he could have known that was if he was Guardian's scum buddy.

FFS guys, can we get this game going please?

This was possibly the worst argument I have ever seen, and I expected more from a legendary player like Stoofer. Noted that Musher turned out town, as a result of Stoofer pushing the wagon on a claimed doctor. Regardless of the lack of believability of Musher's claim, Stoofer never even unvoted after a doc claim. In my opinion, this is highly suspect.


But that's only my say.

Also, unless Guardian was scum, we are more or less at LyLo (which is why, incase I'm wrong, I'm not voting Stoofer right now.). Because of the circumstances, I would say that a massclaim would help the town a great deal.

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but it's not really worth debating in my opinion.

Oh god how many times did I hear this since the beginning of the game whenever I tried to work out the mechanics...

I guess it's much better to semi-lurk all day and hit a deadline where you happily choose between lynching a mason and a doc, as directed by one of the few people that don't lurk, right ?

See, my theory is that scum have a bunch of 1 shot abilities (as I noticed that the plagues were not coming in biblical order).

So what we have left is:

River to blood
Locusts
Death to all Firstborns

But I think that at this point, number 1 priority should be lynching scum.

It would be really super if we could have some other input as to who is scum. And a word from Stoofer as well.

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stark, you need to re-read more carefully. Guardian was dropping fake cop tells at the beginning of the game, pretending that he had a guilty result on Sly Sly. He admitted this. That is why I said I wanted to lynch Sly Sly - (a) to signal to Guardian that I had picked up on his hint, and (b) to take some of the attention away from Guardian, who was being too obvious I thought.

When Guardian asked to explain why I was onto Sly Sly, I said that I would do so only if he insisted (because it would involve blowing his cover). Guardian then admitted that he had been trying to con the Town into thinking he was the Cop with a guilty on Sly Sly, so not surprisingly we lynched him.

Maybe it's just me and my tunnel vision, man, but that can be read exactly the same way as:

Stoofer scum sees Guardian scum's gambit.

Guardian is playing very badly.

Stoofer signals to Guardian: "Stop that."

Guardian continues to play badly.

Stoofer busses Guardian.


But maybe I'm not being fair.
On a scale from 1 to Obvscum, how sure are you that Guardian was a Hebrew?

Because, assuming this game runs on standard 3 vs. 9 format, according to you, we've lynched one scum already, which would mean that we can afford a miss-lynch. And right now, in my mind, unless you have seen something I've missed, no scummier candidate than your self comes to mind. However, I would be thrilled to see your insights.

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From what I've seen, we have a very powerful mafia on our hands, so I don't think that a 2 person scum group is unreasonable.

Also, I'm no bibliologist, but if you look at the story, unless undo threw in "random Hebrew Goon", the only

2

people there were Moses and his brother.

I totally support a Stoofer lynch today, but first I think we should hear from him more first. You also haven't defended your reasoning for not entertaining Musher's doc claim.

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the only 2 people there were Moses and his brother

Where are you getting that from? I can't see it in the Opening Post.

Biblical Speculation. I also took the trouble of looking up the plagues of Egypt on Wikipedia. I noticed that the only two people dealing out plagues were Moses and his brother. Which led me to support the theory that there are only two scum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagues_of_egypt

stark: you seem to be making a lot of guesses as to the setup. What made you decide to come in and start out with a lot of setup speculation when nobody else had really any ideas? It gives me pause, because while all of it is quite plausible,

I wonder how someone who had just come in could come up with all of these really plausible ideas unless they knew a little something about the setup.

I'm trying to contribute and further the game, Has.

Do you remember what happened when you all lynched someone for speculating about the setup? Because that's exactly what I'm doing; only speculating.

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Yes, you're right hur. My mistake.

What I meant was accusing people of knowing more about the setup because of their speculation has not brought possitive results.

I understand what you're saying HH, but he

did

claim doc. And I agree, his claim was super suspect, but he should have atleast been unvoted before lynching him.

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I'm saying that regardless of the fishy-ness of his claim, Musher did claim doc. And because of the claim, the people voting him, namely Mr. Stoofer, should have atleast entertained the possibility that he was town.

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I'm not saying he should have gotten a free pass. If I were in the game then, I probably would have lynched him too.

What I'm saying is that before lynching him, the wagon should have been disolved, the claim discussed, and if the town was still unconvinced, then he should have been lynched.

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No, you're right Mr Stoofer. In regards to this particular incident, I did not read carefully enough. You did indeed unvote, but only because you were going to be out of contact. My mistake.

You're still scum.

xoxo
Stark

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Hey comrades,

There's this cool game, and it's called Mafia.

You guys want to play?

We were playing a little while ago, and on last week's episode, we found out that Stoofer was scum.

Let's lynch him.

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stark: why is unvoting required if we don't believe a claim, no, matter whether they claim doc/cop/roleblocker/bus driver/whatever? I don't understand why you said people should unvote musher.

That argument is now done and buried, due to my mistake.


However, to redux:

Even if a claim was not believable, it is my opinion that in the case of a powerclaim, such as that of a doc, a window should not be left open to lynch the player who claimed power-role before the town can discuss and evaluate the matter.

I would love to see a Stoofer defense, LH.

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I would love to see a Stoofer defense, LH.

Why would you be interested in his defense, if you are sure he's scum, as shows the post before ?

For two reasons

1. It would move the game along, as we are at more or less a stand-still

2. Even though I'm at 85-90% sure that Stoofer is scum, I don't believe in lynching people without having a chance to defend themselves.

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I would love to see a Stoofer defense, LH.

Defence to what? I have already rebutted all the points you have made against me.

Well, tell me why you're town?

What's the most pro-town thing you've done this game?

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1. Mr Stoofer
2. Hascow.

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Hey Stoofer,

Maybe I´m a little dense, but in reading through the thread, twice now, I failed to see where you got the fact that Guardian was implying that he was a cop.

If you could to me the great service of finding just one of these posts, I would be most grateful

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Hey Stoofer, I think you should claim.

I'm also liking LH's argument alot.

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"A hunch or something" is quite a stretch, IMO. Is that it?

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Maybe I'm not as observant as you all, but was that singular comment the basis of the "Guardian is pretending to be cop" theory?

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Ok, I can buy it then.

I guess what I'm thinking more along the lines of was that Guardian wasn't scum, but rather really badly playing miller.

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Ah, ok, that was straightfoward.

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DOUBLEPOST:


Hey Mod, can we have some prods on hascow and SM?

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Well, he is at -2.

And I think he's scum.

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Hey comrades,

I'm going to be out of contact for a few days.

Things to do while I'm gone:

1. Lynch Stoofer
2. Lynch Stoofer

Also, if the mod doesn't have a problem with it, I would like to proxy my vote to lord_hur, during the period of my absense.

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Alright, I'm back.

My mistake, Lh, counting is essential. Now it's -2, I think. But I'll leave that to undo to decide. I am already voting him, though, fyi.

The basic reasoning for Stoofer being scum is two-fold, hasggsdidifg.

1. Stoofer has more or less flown under the radar the entire game.

2. He has not done anything particularly pro-town. He claims that his persuit of Guardian, who he seems to believe was scum, was exceptionally pro-town. I disagree.

I fully support a Stoofer claim on monday

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I was really certain that I had voted him.

Error

Vote: Mr. Stoofer

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I think the fact that Stoofer has not been hammered by now more or less proves that he's scum.

If he were town, one of two scenerios are there:

If there were three scum, as Stoofer claims, we are definately in lylo, inwhichcase scum would take his lynch now.

If there were two scum, tomorrow they would still control half the lynch (providing the kill went through), which equals lylo again.

However, because he is scum, the other scum obviously can't hammer now.

(This was also post to move the game up to first page after all of the game closings.)

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Blah blah blah, poor me, I'm so awesome, blah blah blah.

Abridged for people on the go.

So in summary, I am being lynched because (a) I have been the most active player, and (b) I "slipped" and revealed that there were 2 or 3 Scum, depending on whether you are Hacker Huck or lord_hur.

Yes.

Claim.

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Blah blah blah, poor me, I'm so awesome, blah blah blah.

Abridged for people on the go.

So in summary, I am being lynched because (a) I have been the most active player, and (b) I "slipped" and revealed that there were 2 or 3 Scum, depending on whether you are Hacker Huck or lord_hur.

Yes.

Claim.

stark, no offense, but if that's your whole case, that's a load of crap.

Other players have stated the argument against stoofer more eloquently. I don't see your commentary on the assorted posts by LH and HH.

But just for you:

For my personal ease, every quote henceforth is from Mr. Stoofer.

Is this a joke? I have been the most active participant in the game, pushing discussion, trying to keep the game moving, etc. I honestly believe that this game would have died if I had not been keeping it going (and to be honest, the effort has exhausted me).

That

is what I have done that is particularly pro-town.

A talkative player does not pro-town make. That was very kind of you that you stimulated the game. This does not give you a "Get out of Lynch" card.

I have a challenge for you stark, to name

one

player that has done something "particulalrly pro-town" and explain what it is.

Don't try to divert attention away from yourself. Other players are not important at this point. You are the one under suspicion.

As for "flying under the radar", if you mean I have laid low - you must be kidding, right? If you mean that I have not come under suspicion - you must be kidding right? Which do you mean, and how on earth do you justify it?

Show me where, prior to today, you have ever come under suspicion. You have been the spearhead of every lynch this game.

The core is that Mr Stoofer was the one who pushed most for the two lynches we made so far, which I think are both town.

Well, I was on the Guardian lynch, who I think was Scum and so did the

majority

of the Town.

I was not on Musher's lynch, although I was in favour of it - again, as were the

majority

.

Man, you got us. No one would ever suspect scum to support the majority. I bow before your superior reasoning.

These were my honest suspects. Unlike a lot of players in this game who have sat back an let others -i.e. me make the running (and you are a little bit guily of this, lord_hur) I have tried to keep this game moving forward by posting my suspicions and my reasons.

and various scumtells I can't be bothered to recap.

I know you are 99% confirmed Town, but if you weren't then this sort of thing would look really scummy.

That's helpful.

Silly. I am not a good player. Look at my wiki page: you will see that a have lost

a lot

more games than I have one. My custom title "Less than scum" was given to me because I was not worthy of a full "Mafia Scum" title. The reasons people like playing with me is not because I am good at this game but because I am active and keep the game moving.

What do you want us to say to that?

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I have a bit of limited access now, so once I get some more time, I'm going to respond to Stoofer's post in full.

Since you're the only one defending him, hascow, why shouldn't we lynch stoofer?

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Why aren't you claiming, Stoofer?

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Acceptable Order?:

Mr. Stoofer
hasdgfas
stark
HH
Lawence

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Funny lh.

I think in my mind that lawrencelot and HH are interchangeble.

If anyone has any objections to the order, I would be happy to hear them, and we reach a diplomatic solution.

Also, LH, what were you trying to do with alternative bizzaro list?

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Now we just have to wait for Stoofer to think up an interesting claim..

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Yes

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Dear Stoofer,

To think that your claim could be so groundbreakingly important to justify stalling at -1 for the last four pages is absurd. You are in no position to give yourself such celebrity status. Please, Captain Vocality, just claim and get it over with. I understand that you've had to employ all of your creative juices to come up with a plausable fake claim, but this is just stupid. How easilly you've managed to lead the town around by its nose this entire game blows my mind.

Please, Stoofer, save the children. Claim.

If it would make you happy, I'll go after you. I understand you're doing your best to preserve your scum partner hasdgfas, and that's fine, but please, given the fact that you've been the most vocal, helpful, scumfinding player the whole game, do something pro-town for once and claim.

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has,

What do you think about Stoofer's stalling?

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Name

: Akil

Occupation

: Spy

Game Role

: Tracker

Eats

: Cereal

Results after claims

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Also, Mod, since we've started the massclaim, do you think we could have a deadline extension?

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Oh well, they got what they wanted, as on reread I essentially claimed.

I am Habibah, mother of Mosi. My husband died when he was young, and now he works hard to look after me. He is the most precious son, and I could not love him more. Now that Hebrews threatening the Egyptians, we have sworn to protect each other until death. I know my son is innocent, and my son knows I'm innocent.

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I hate this game.

I hate this game so much.

So here are my results:

Night 1- Pyrodwarf tracked Guardian with no result

Night 2- SL tracked Mr. Stoofer with no result

Night 3- SL missed her choice

Night 4- I tracked HH with no result

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Except HH, did we have any food claim other than fish and cereal?

Nope. But my theory is that food has something to do with how we can die. For example Locusts kill grain, which might kill cereal people. River of blood kills fish, which might kill fish people etc etc.

I tracked HH out of a coinflip between him and Hascow.

I am honestly without direction in this game. Anyone have any suggestions?

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Then how do you explain that the very first thing you say in this game is this :

So, I did a full re-read a little while back, and the player who screamed scum the most to was Mr Stoofer.

Why not tracking the person you find most scummy ?

I was trying to diversify. My predecessor already tracked Stoofer, and in the case that I was wrong, I wanted to have more information.

I hate this game.

I hate this game so much.

So here are my results:

Night 1- Pyrodwarf tracked Guardian with no result

Night 2- SL tracked Mr. Stoofer with no result

Night 3- SL missed her choice

Night 4- I tracked HH with no result

Well, that's interesting.
Stark, do have any flavor with your role?

I"m a Spy, that's about it. Do you have more flavor than me lol?

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Ok, I haven't looked at my role PM in a while.

[paraphrased]

I am Akil, the awesome spy. I'm trying to find out who the Hebrews are using my spying skills. Every night, I can spy on a person and learn who they visited that night.

I didn't see anyone else claiming flavor, so my mistake

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So here's my thinking about the foods:

I think that different plagues will have different effects on players based on what they eat.

So far, the only plagues that haven't been done are:

River of Blood
Locusts
Death to Firstborns

The fish would die if the river turned to blood.
The grain (cereal) would be eaten by the locusts.

So it probably wasn't the smartest thing in the world to do to tell everyone our foods.

I say you should keep your food to yourself, LH. It looks like scum has run out of useful plagues, with the exception of death to firstborns.

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Because I didn't realize that it might be a bad idea until after I claimed.

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Because I didn't realize that it might be a bad idea until after I claimed.

Aw man, you caught me.

I can't believe you picked up the very subtle scumtell of mafia telling town

not to give them information.

You got me good.

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Regardless of the fact that I did not set the precedent for claiming food?

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Regardless of the fact that I did not set the precedent for claiming food?

yes.

Alright, that's how they do it on the street.

So do you think it would have been better on my part to have kept my mouth shut?

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I've given as much as I can.

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Hmm I hoped each vanilla's post was a bit different. Seems not. Drat.

@stark : Could you paraphrase this :

"I am Akil, the awesome spy. I'm trying to find out who the Hebrews are using my spying skills."

more acurately, or at least with different words ?

This is my last question concerning this.

Uhh, ok man. My PM is honestly 2 sentances long. If the following post is not coherent, I have been sickly and bed-ridden for the last week and a half, so it might not all be here.

I am Akil, skillful spy. I've been dispatched to seek out the hebrews because I'm such an awesome spy.

So the deadline is coming up.

And I'm seeing the game two ways. These two ways obviously hold no water outside of myself, as I am making the assumption that I am town.

The three people I know are town:
Myself (For biased personal reasons)
LH(Confirmed)
HH(Claiming pharaoh as scum would be a very very risky claim, and considering no one has counterclaimed, I'm inclined to believe him)

So our possible scum lies in:

Mr. Stoofer
Hasdgfas
Lawrecalot

So here are our two scenarios, according to my own mind.

1. I am right about Stoofer. This would imply that I am also right about hasdgfas, due to his perpetual defense of the afformentioned.

2. I am wrong about stoofer. This is the one that I'm slowly leaning closer towards. This would mean that our scum is hasdgfas and Lawrencalognt.

Now, before you stop me saying "You could be scum too bhfblah blah blah". I definately know that for sure, and I take it into consideration.

However, from where I'm standing, it looks like hasdgfas is scum in either scenario.

However, with one day left until deadline, I don't know if we can pull off a wagon switch.

I don't know what undo's policies with deadlines are.

unvote: Mr.stoofer

Vote: hasdgfas

Also, HH, when you say you're brothers with Mosos, do you meanlike the dynamic?

As in, when the mosesplayer dies, so do you?

Do you know who the mosesplayer is?

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I think that was a straight up lynch right there, wasn't it?

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No it doesn't hasdgfas, for two reasons:

1. You're scum

2. The only thing we would get with a no-lynch would be -1 confirmed townie.

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Sure; if we're wrong about you, it means we've probably just lost.

But if we're right, we have only one scum left.

If we had no-lynched, then we would come into the day with HH, who's pretty much confirmed, and 4 players of dubious status, giving us a 50% chance of losing the game despite our no-lynch the previous day.

This way was certainly more risky, but probably has a better payoff

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Alright, I tracked Lawrencalot last night, who didn't do anything.

So either he no killed.

Or I'm a naive tracker.

But I think that LH broke the game.

So I'm going to

Lawrencalot

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Counter role?

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Quoting the role PM isn't allowed under any circumstances. Let Undo make any announcements necessary to maintain fairness.

Thanks for replacing back in. Unfortunately, I'm going to need a reread, since I've forgotting too much about this game.

Last week on Plagues of Egypt.


We lynched Moses because LH broke the game.

Hasdgfas' partner is Lawrencalot.

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I'm thinking that it might have roleblocked me.

Reasoning:

No grain = no cereal = too hungry to track?

Let's lynch Lawrencalot before he gets the chance to kill our firstborns.

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When they left, a few minutes later, there was nothing to see but yards and yards of razed crops. Their unsatiable hunger was stronger than any other natural disaster Egypt had ever seen. And although this plague didn't cause any demise yet, its consequences will surely be calamitous...[/i]

Hur's worries seem pretty reasonable, with something bad surely happening down the road.

The reason you're so sure it's LL is 100% because of the name thing?

It worked once, don't see why it shouldn't work again...

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Scramble scramble scramble. Ungrounded accusations. Blame things on the mod.

Ok, that's pretty straightforward.

1. Your name and Has' name did not mean anything. The rest of ours did. Has was scum. It logically follows that you are scum as well.

2. We can afford a miss-lynch.

3. Die scum die.

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Oh, I messed it up earlier.

Vote: Lawrencalot

In regards to breakability. If I were in undo's shoes, I certainly would not have expected my players to go into such depths with name research. I certainly didn't.

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Awesome! Let's do this.

Either you are taking a giant gamble, and are hoping the town will back down due to your eagerness, or you have something up your pocket.

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Awesome! Let's do this.

Either you are taking a giant gamble, and are hoping the town will back down due to your eagerness, or you have something up your pocket.

I wouldn't mind if they waited a bit to see what would happen with the cereal-eaters, but it's possible you've been lying about your food.

I'm sure you wouldn't