Mini 579 - The Plagues of Egypt Mafia - Over

[lord_hur]

No. I assume that in a mini-theme game with powerroles there are 3 Scum.



:PREVIEW EDIT: I see why you asked the question now -- when I said "who is his buddy" I wasn't intending to imply that there was only one.

Also, this looks now like a very nice slip.

[lord_hur]

No. I assume that in a mini-theme game with powerroles there are 3 Scum.



:PREVIEW EDIT: I see why you asked the question now -- when I said "who is his buddy" I wasn't intending to imply that there was only one.

Also, this looks now like a very nice slip.

Could you please explain?

He implied that there were only 2 scums, back near the beginning of the game. Now with this recent development, I'm thinking that there are actually only 2 scums.

[lord_hur]

Lord_Hur - are you implying that Stark is scum bussing his last partner really hard?

Never said they were partners. But it is a possibility.

I also think it's premature to assume that the scum are responsible for the day ending quickly. It's also possible that some kind of game mechanic triggered the day ending

A magical setup, mysterious obscurity invading the sky mid-day, what more do you want ?

but it's not really worth debating in my opinion.

Oh god how many times did I hear this since the beginning of the game whenever I tried to work out the mechanics...

I guess it's much better to semi-lurk all day and hit a deadline where you happily choose between lynching a mason and a doc, as directed by one of the few people that don't lurk, right ?

[lord_hur]

Okay. I am confirmed town.

Well, there are such things as Scum masons -- did SL say that his role PM confirmed that you were Town?

Yes he said so. Second to last post.

[lord_hur]

Maybe it's just me and my tunnel vision, man, but that can be read exactly the same way as:

Stoofer scum sees Guardian scum's gambit.

Guardian is playing very badly.

Stoofer signals to Guardian: "Stop that."

Guardian continues to play badly.

Stoofer busses Guardian.


But maybe I'm not being fair.

Hmm I don't see it as a plausible scenario :

1. How often do you see scum bussing mid day 1 ?

2. Guardian/Mr Stoofer exchange looked genuine to me.

3. Mr Stoofer was the only one who picked up on Guardian by then. He could just have waited to see how his gambit developped.

4. I really think that Guardian was town. Scum would have to be completely stupid to fake being a cop. What good could he hope to get out of it except being an obvious target for the real cop ? At least the miller explanation made a little sense : getting NKed is the best miller can hope for, as he's less valuable than any other role.

[lord_hur]

And yes, no more votes please : I'm not completely sure he's scum, and he's nearly in insta-hammer range.

[lord_hur]

Lord_Hur - I'm not necessarily trying to shut down discussion of the mechanics, but I'm trying to make sure we focus on hunting scum. We don't know how many scum there are or if we've even killed any yet. I just don't see how talking about whether the day ending suddenly is a random event or scum driven will help us find scum.

There are good reasons to discuss game mechanisms in my opinion. Determining whether the setup was made with 2 or 3 scums is important. There is also another important element about it, in my opinion, but I will not talk about it right now.

Vote: Mr Stoofer

Just a hard vote ? No reasons ?

[lord_hur]

I'd like a prod on SeraphicMirth please

[lord_hur]

No prod needed, I'm here. Though, as I've mentioned previously, I have limited access all summer so you probably should give me more time before asking for prods..its been like 1 day? I didn't go to school yesterday so I wasn't able to get online.

Err... Actually, 8 days.

[lord_hur]

I really didn't like Musher's claim for a number of reasons. At a high level, it seemed like a poorly thought out fake claim. He did the slow reveal, couldn't remember what he had said about it, and then didn't even offer up his name until prompted.

Who did we lynch for speculating about the setup?

I think he's mixing things up. I and, to a much lesser extent, PyroDwarf (stark's first incarnation) were the only ones who tried to speculate on the setup. We both are still here (but the speculation was halted alright).

[lord_hur]

Mr Stoofer, your lack of combativeness surprises me. It is not at all in line with your previous play. There must quite a few things to say for your defense.

[lord_hur]

Hey comrades,

There's this cool game, and it's called Mafia.

You guys want to play?

We were playing a little while ago, and on last week's episode, we found out that Stoofer was scum.

Let's lynch him.

I's rather not vote until Mr Stoofer presents his defense.

[lord_hur]

I would love to see a Stoofer defense, LH.

Why would you be interested in his defense, if you are sure he's scum, as shows the post before ?

[lord_hur]

I was also responsible for getting Guardian lynched. He would have got away with pretending to be a Cop, and then backing off his pretence, if it was not for me.

What would be the point of scum pretending to be cop day 1 ? What do you think Guardian-scum's plan would have been ?

[lord_hur]

Also, do you see a reason for scum to pick SL over me ?

[lord_hur]

I was also responsible for getting Guardian lynched. He would have got away with pretending to be a Cop, and then backing off his pretence, if it was not for me.

What would be the point of scum pretending to be cop day 1 ? What do you think Guardian-scum's plan would have been ?

It is standard play to set up a false claim at the beginning of day 1. In fact, in my last game before this one I was Scum and I laid "tells" that I was a cop from the beginning of day 1. Then when I had to claim later in the game, I poiinted to all the tells and said "look, I am obviously a cop because why else would I have said...". Guardian was just preparing the ground for the time when it came for him to make a claim.

I have one big objection to this : in post 316, he essentially claimed miller, and that was before you uncovered him (in fact, that post triggered it). I can see no reason for scum to breadcrumb cop then claim miller (which is such a crappy claim) all of the sudden, when only one person noticed the crumbs and that person obviously thinks them to be genuine.

[lord_hur]

Also, do you see a reason for scum to pick SL over me ?

I can think of lots of reasons. An obvious one is that Scum would kill the one who was suspicious of the Scum; an equally obvious one is to kill the one who was suspicious of a pro-Town player and use WIFOM to get that player lynched.

Good answer.

Next one : do you see a reason for NKing one mason (and thus confirming the other) over NKing another townie ?

[lord_hur]

Also Mr Stoofer, who do you think is scum and for what reason ?

PS : this is also true for all the others. Since you (nearly) all were wrong about Musher333 and me, could you post who your next suspects are ?

My own standing hasn't changed.

[lord_hur]

I would say the more interesting question is why wait to kill one of the masons. It wasn't like Strife was considered a townie by most.

Lord_Hur - do you think we've already killed a scum or all of the dead "unknowns" townies?

1. In general, why would you, as scum, kill an unconfirmed mason over someone you didn't identify yet ? (actual question, I'm a newb when it comes to non-standard roles)

2. I'd say the chance that one of them is scum is about 10% (and that one would be Guardian).

[lord_hur]

If falsely pretending to be a Cop isn't doesn't make you Scum in your eyes, then what the hell would? [Don't bother answering this, it's just that I am astonished by your last post.If you think that the chances of a player who pretends to be a Cop with a guilty result on an innocent player is only 10%, then I want to be Scum in the next game we play together.]

In general, I'd agree. But Guardian basically uncovered himself and didn't even really try to get SlySly lynched. I cannot see scum doing that, but a miller who doesn't care so much about getting lynched, yes. He did globally give this impression when I reread him too. Good job about this (and ultra-terrible play otherwise) if he's scum.

[lord_hur]

Hmm I maybe also came across an interesting thing when rereading Guardian. In post 101 he says this :

'the

other

scum'? explain the use of the word other, please.

He was refering to this :

Could we get a prod on SlySly please?

Unvote: Stoofer
Vote: Guardian

How can SlySly be the other scum when he hasn't posted yet?

Same reference to 2 scums than Mr Stoofer recently. Very strange.

[lord_hur]

A slip is a slip, no need for it to be consistent.

And you actually noted down that post in case I would raise the point again ? I can't really picture someone rereading themselves for that unless they really felt the menace was real the first time I said it. Seems I've hit something^^

[lord_hur]

That sentence does not imply only 2 Scum. (Think about it this way: If I had said "who are his buddies" than would imply 3+ Scum, which is probably why I did not use that form of wording.)

3 is the logical number for 12 players, so everyone but you and HH always correctly used the plural, because only you two knew from the start that there are only 2 scums. That's my argument.

[lord_hur]

Lord_Hur, look at post 102 for my explanation of that comment.

Of course I read it, and no I don't find it satisfactory. You said "the other scum", which can only refer to the number of scums in the game, and not to the number of suspects.

Unless your wording was really really off. You didn't say "You can't also suspect Slysly because...".

No. You said "THE other scum". It cannot be any more clear.

[lord_hur]

Also, I think it is probably safe now to say that if both Mr Stoofer and HackerHuck were innocent, we would have already lost the game.

HackerHuck earned a good 15% extra scum rating in my eyes, with that vote. Very risky for town to do, but of course, not at all for scum.

[lord_hur]

And that's not even taking into account the fact that his vote post does not even show one hint of a reason.

[lord_hur]

Though I must add that I still think Mr Stoofer is more scummy than HH, if I had to choose between the two.

[lord_hur]

Well, he is at -2.

And I think he's scum.

Damn, unless I'm blind, stark must have been seeing things. Mr Stoofer is at L-3, not L-2. I only counted one vote, HH's, and we are 6.

And all my comments about his vote go down the drain...

[lord_hur]

Mr Stoofer, I didn't get any pro-town feeling from you recently (or from the start, for that matter) so I'm about to vote you.

Given stark will probably hammer, whether he's town or scum (unless you're scum together), I think you should claim.

[lord_hur]

I am already voting him, though, fyi.

Mind pointing to that vote please ?

[lord_hur]

The basic reasoning for Stoofer being scum is two-fold, hasggsdidifg.

1. Stoofer has more or less flown under the radar the entire game.

2. He has not done anything particularly pro-town. He claims that his persuit of Guardian, who he seems to believe was scum, was exceptionally pro-town. I disagree.

My reasons are not these :

The core is that Mr Stoofer was the one who pushed most for the two lynches we made so far, which I think are both town.

There's also that slip about the number of scums, and various scumtells I can't be bothered to recap.

And exactly zero towntells, as far as i'm concerned.

Also, I have an image of Mr Stoofer being a great (at least, much over the average) player, and that does not make sense with town-Mr Stoofer. Too many mistakes, too many bad assessments (in my opinion of course). Scum-Mr Stoofer looks much better to me. The scum have played very intelligently this game.

[lord_hur]

Here we are, L-1.

Guess we can just wait for his claim now. Or for scum to hammer him in case he's town.

[lord_hur]

No matter, I'm about sure we're in lylo.

[lord_hur]

There is also the possibility both scums are already voting town-Mr Stoofer right now, so they cannot hammer.

[lord_hur]

@lord_hur

: you have said (a) there are 2 scums (post 989) (b) Guardian was pro-town (post 989 and others) (c) we are in lylo (post 1015). How do you reconcile those statements?

Err, I think there are 4 townies and 2 scums left. If we mislynch, we are down to 2 town and 2 scum, so we lose.

[lord_hur]

EBWOP: wait, is it true we did not find any scum yet?

This is what I'm thinking, but Mr Stoofer is apparently convinced of the opposite. The others, except maybe stark, are inactive and have no opinion.

[lord_hur]

Oh yes Lawrencelot, could you give your opinion on post 980 please (begins on post 922)? Good or bad argument?

stark (and of course Mr Stoofer and HackerHuck) is the only one that gave his opinion yet.

[lord_hur]

Reading everything from the start of Day 4. With the full reread, I'm on page 6 .

Okay. I am confirmed town. And the next victim. Yay.

Can you explain to me why, taking into account I didn't read what happened before Day 4? Also, what are magiks? (same post)

SL and I were claimed mason, and SL was killed last night.

magiks = the scum had apparently the one-time power to cause a day to end, which they used to kill SL.

[lord_hur]

Wait, now I'm confused. Did Guardian claim cop or miller? Did it happen like this: Guardian breadcrumbed cop, only stoofer picked it up, thought Guardian was cop, then Guardian claimed miller, and everybody thought Guardian was scum, and everybody still thinks Guardian is scum?

I reread that not too long ago, and it went like this :

- Guardian breadcrumbed cop
- Mr Stoofer backed him up, establishing a clear link between him and Guardian
- Guardian said Mr Stoofer was thinking he was cop because he was playing in a silly way (Mr Stoofer did NOT uncover Guardian, he did it himself : he could perfectly have continued to beardcrumb at this point)
- Guardian then claimed miller and backed it up with something he coded way before (not worth much as a proof, but worth noting)
- Mr Stoofer voted Guardian
- everyone else voted Guardian

[lord_hur]

I want to hear why lord_hur thinks Guardian was town. That's the only way I could be convinced that Stoofer is not scum, but I think I made up my mind already.

First, I want to say that Guardian and Mr Stoofer being pals makes no sense at ALL to me. To name te better reasons I can think of right now : how often do you see scum bussing early day 1 ? Why would Mr Stoofer conceal his bussing (I'm pretty sure no-reveal was a limited scum power, right like premature day ending) ?

About Guardian being town, I gave so many arguments, there's no way I can remember all of them like that. Here are the ones I am thinking about right now (I can scrounge up the others if you want) :

- Guardian uncovered himself, while he perfectly could have continued to breadcrumb, especially since he knew the only person who had noticed it, Mr Stoofer, was buying it ;
- breadcrumbing cop really looks to me like a terrible strategy for scum, as it would make them a prime target for the real cop ; the reason invoked by Guardian (trying to get NKed instead of the real cop) at least makes enough sense to be taken as a good strategy (by someone who never tried it, of course) ;
- Guardian was playing in a self-destructive way : claiming instead of continuing to play along, not defending himself much, saying that his lynch wasn't a big loss, etc. This is not scum play, but it does make sense for a miller.

[lord_hur]

Right now, my suspicions go like this (I would ask everyone to do the same, but again no one would do it) :

Mr Stoofer 90%
HackerHuck 70%
hasdgfas 50%
stark 40%
Lawrencelot 20%

[lord_hur]

Then who do you think the mafia are?

For those interested in the Guardian point I brought up, here are the details.

His claim of doc. Then just do a sort by posts for Guardian. This one was his post 118. He comments on the breadcrumbing in 123 and comes clean about his lie in 187.

Take it for what you will and I'm not really sure how important it is at this point whether we believe Guardian was scum.

His play in that game is extremely different from the one he put up in this game. Aggressive, haughty, pushy, while he was apologizing for his bad play in his one.

The only similarity I can find is his breadcrumbing technique. But you don't breadcrumb differently whether you're lying or telling the truth, do you ?

[lord_hur]

Why aren't you claiming, Stoofer?

read his posts.

Then, why do you think he is not claiming ? Or are you saying that he did claim ?

[lord_hur]

Mr Stoofer, could you briefly comment my post 1024 ? I think it's a fairly important point.

[lord_hur]

2. Because strife was nightkilled - and he was the only kill that night. Occam's razor tells us to assume for now that he was town.

Furthermore, there was never more than one kill each night.

Lawrencelot, you are making excellent points. Due to these and Mr Stoofer's recent play (seriously, great job if you're scum), I have to modify my assessment of him. I still think there's a good possibility he's scum, but not as overwhelmingly so as before.

Okay, I was keeping this for later but :

If we are in LyLo, then there is a great deal to be said for a massclaim now.

How do you reconcile this with your current reluctance for claiming? The question is twofold :

- If you think we are in LyLo, why don't you advise a massclaim now? What has changed ?

- If you suggested a massclaim back then, I assumed it was because you thought that revealing your own role would not hurt town that much. But your current play strongly suggests that you do mind revealing it, and that it is such an important one that it should not be disclosed, even in LyLo. I am not asking (at least as of now) what your role is, but as you were asking what elements I have against you, this inconsistence is one of them.

[lord_hur]

Why do you think Guardian and Stoofer can't both be scum?

See beginning of 1037.

[lord_hur]

Name, role (description if non-standard), food looks ok to me.

Unless anyone has an objection concerning food.

For claim order, I would go like this :

stark
HackerHuck
hasdgfas
Lawrencelot
Mr. Stoofer

[lord_hur]

Lord_hur, believe me or not, but reading D1 I really had the feeling tVoD was town. Stoofer kept going after him, which reminds me a lot of my own play as scum IC in some newbie game. I can link you to it if you want. tVoD was, although it was clear to me that he was town, a good target for attacks, because there were townies going after him too. Stoofer went after him as well, and his attacks were one of the strongest. He backs off when it was clear that he was town; just like I did in that game where I was scum.

Oh I believe you. I never really had any doubt about TVoD's alignment either.

Stoofer believed Guardian was a cop. Admitted, the tells were kind of obvious, but there were no other players who assumed Guardian was a cop like Stoofer did. The best argument that Stoofer and Guardian talked about it, is page 10. Even after a good case by Slysly on Guardian, and the scummiest defense you can imagine by Guardian, Stoofer defends Guardian by calling Slysly's post scummy. Also note that Stoofer's play actually convinced some townies (SingingLibrarian acted as if Guardian was playing bad, but as town), although it didn't matter as Guardian claimed miller. Believing someone's a cop is fine, but if he acts 1000 times scummier than the one he's supposed to have a guilty on, that should at least cast some doubt.

Hmm good point.

And yes, Mr Stoofer should go first (I wanted to try something, but it's silly).

[lord_hur]

Have we all agreed that we are doing a massclaim?

And if so, are we going to use the normal order (with me first)?

Yes to both questions.

[lord_hur]

unless lord_hur wants it different. We got a confirmed protown here, let's make use of it.

Sounds good, at least we'd be sure that the order was not chosen by scum.

Mr. Stoofer
stark
HackerHuck
hasdgfas
Lawrencelot

[lord_hur]

Except HH, did we have any food claim other than fish and cereal?

[lord_hur]

stark, why did you track HH?

[lord_hur]

Then how do you explain that the very first thing you say in this game is this :

So, I did a full re-read a little while back, and the player who screamed scum the most to was Mr Stoofer.

Why not tracking the person you find most scummy ?

[lord_hur]

I'd like everyone to (if only briefly) comment on the claims before I say anything else.

Lawrencelot, what did you find fishy in Mr Stoofer and hasdgfas' claims ?

[lord_hur]

I"m a Spy, that's about it. Do you have more flavor than me lol?

I surely do, and I don't even have an active role.

[lord_hur]

Well, that's all well and good to have an extension, but if we keep having this kind of activity...

[lord_hur]

Why do you want to know that?

[lord_hur]

I'm not too sure it's a good idea, and I can't really see how it would help town.

Judging by the extra info I have, if scum have different food types than townies, they changed it to "cereal".

I believe HH's and Mr Stoofer's food claims.

[lord_hur]

So it probably wasn't the smartest thing in the world to do to tell everyone our foods.

This begs the question, why do you say this only now (right afer I refused to say it) and not when you claimed ?

[lord_hur]

Lord_hur and hasdfgas: how many scum do you think we have?

2

[lord_hur]

Okay. I need everyone to give me as much flavor as they can. Details are important.

I cannot explain why right now.

[lord_hur]

Order doesn't matter.

[lord_hur]

I'm not really comfortable with how this is going down. Is it safe to assume that this little exercise will be fully explained after we're done?

Yes.

I'm actually not sure what more I can say about my role, but I'd also like to wait until Mr Stoofer has returned. I believe his ten day absence should be over shortly, if not already.

You have no flavor at all ? And as I said, there is no need to wait for anyone.

Independantly of this, should I remind people that I am dead in 4 days ?

[lord_hur]

Thanks much, HH. This is perfect. Next.

(of course, I will not disclose the results till everyone posts)

[lord_hur]

Hmm I hoped each vanilla's post was a bit different. Seems not. Drat.

@stark : Could you paraphrase this :

"I am Akil, the awesome spy. I'm trying to find out who the Hebrews are using my spying skills."

more acurately, or at least with different words ?

This is my last question concerning this.

[lord_hur]

I have two other questions, not linked to this matter :

@HH : how come you may have sanity issue, as you don't have an investigation role ?

@Lawrencelot : why did you not think about what you said in your last post, back when you said Mr Stoofer to go first?

[lord_hur]

Ok. Here is what I found :

I was thinking that scum probably have names that are not in line with the town names that undo selected.

I have looked up those names on several names lists that gave their actual meaning (for reference, they are parentsconnect, my baby-name/baby-names-and-stuff and special-dictionary) and I got this :

First, for all confirmed town :

Name Role title Meanings

Thabit farmer solid firm strong
Kamuzu physician medical medical medical
Mosi son first born first born first born
Habibah mother loved loved loved

As you can see, the meanings all follow their roles exactly (for example, my own role PM said that I could not love Mosi more, and that the feeling is shared).

Now if we look at the other names :

Sudi scribe prosperity luck/success lucky
Akil spy wise intelligent intelligent
Nkozi architect commander not found not found
Tsekani farmer not found close close

Of all these, Akil is the one role and name that I find is most likely genuine : a spy has to be intelligent to do their job, and the paraphrasing "awesome" and "skilled" looks close enough.

After that, it is more tricky :

The one that abolutely doesn't match is Nkozi : commander has nothing to do with being an architect.

Sudi, on the other hand, looks good. Scribe was indeed a very good trade in egypt, and could be associated with success and luck.

http://www.kingtutshop.com/freeinfo/ancient-scribe.htm for example

About Tsekani, I cannot really see how a farmer could be defined by "close".

So my lynching order would be :

hasdgfas
lawrencelot

Also, HH is about confirmed in my eyes.

Unvote Vote : hasdgfas

[lord_hur]

Oh, I said "tricky" because the last three are townies, and thus that the flavor cannot assist my analysis, only the role title.

I am very confident in this reasoning.

[lord_hur]

Very good thing that lynching does not require a majority in this game. Still, I hope either Mr Stoofer or HH come back soon, because scum can actually prevent the lynch if one of them doesn't vote...

[lord_hur]

It was. Too late for regrets now.

[lord_hur]

No hard feelings on my part

I would hate to scrap this 6 month epic thing...

So, following my last reasoning :

Vote : Lawrencelot

[lord_hur]

Oh wait, we have one more important piece of info to get from stark (before he dies of starvation presumably).

Unvote

for now

[lord_hur]

Oh right, I forgot your first role wasn't revealed... This poses a minor problem, that I'm sure undo can handle.

Strange, this is my second game in 2 days in which a player is necroed.

[lord_hur]

That locust thing could kill stark (and Lawrencelot, but I think he's scum) and possibly drive HH mad (make him scum maybe ?) so I think we should seriously hurry.

undo probably waited for the replacement to start the day because there's a timer in real days.

[lord_hur]

Well, he did not kill anyone, since there was no counter role left for town.

[lord_hur]

EBWOP : try to kill anyone

[lord_hur]

doc type

[lord_hur]

Hey I didn't exactly break it, they could have chosen more convincing names... It's just that I bothered with the research

Anyway,

Vote : Lawrencelot

[lord_hur]

Err we did get one more plague...

About the locusts, I think it's likely going to kill people of starvation after some time (those who feed on it), as stark pointed out once I think.

Hence my hurry up comment.

[lord_hur]

Hmm I don't think so, undo said the damage done was in the future.

[lord_hur]

When they left, a few minutes later, there was nothing to see but yards and yards of razed crops. Their unsatiable hunger was stronger than any other natural disaster Egypt had ever seen. And although this plague didn't cause any demise yet, its consequences will surely be calamitous...[/i]

Hur's worries seem pretty reasonable, with something bad surely happening down the road.

The reason you're so sure it's LL is 100% because of the name thing?

Also now by elimination : strife220 and HH could hammer if they were scum, and stark's claim was the most believable of the lot, and I think his tracking result makes sense too.

Yes stark's overeager to get LL lynched, but he was like that the day before, and hasdgfas was indeed scum.

Either he's a very good scum, or he's town, and I think the latter is correct.

I still think LL is scum.

[lord_hur]

I do wonder why there was no death though. Maybe it will come with a timer like someone suggested. In that case, me and stark will both die, right? In fact, if that would happen, I'm happy with that. Maybe this is why stark wants me to get lynched so quickly.

No. If you're scum, you likely faked your food too. Also, this makes no sense : time obviously works for scum, not for town. I can see scum trying to slow things down so the plague can take effect (similarly to what you're doing), but not the opposite.

[lord_hur]

do you really think undo would make it possible to let the game be broken this easily?

Broken so easily ? I think he was expecting scum to a minimum of research on things as important as names they had to fake. So, yes I don't see it as impossible at all.

If the names are different for scum, wouldn't undo give the scum safe claims? I know this is outguessing the mod, but I want you to answer it anyway.

Yes, and indications on what food to claim, and what roles they can safely fake-claim? Please...


Oops, another argument for stark being town : he was the first to claim the "cereal" food, exactly as in HH's claim (and not "bread", "wheat", etc...)

[lord_hur]

p.p.s. from brief re-reading:

Do you often use "their" for a singular ("only one person") ?

The singular alternative is 'his' or 'her.' English doesn't have a good gender-free word to use when you don't want to specify sex, so we often use 'their' as a singular. It may not be 100% grammatically correct, but it's well accepted.

I see, thanks.

[lord_hur]

Darn. Oh well, sorry for the name thing. It was indeed too good to be true... it seems Mr Stoofer looked the names up as well, because his name was fitting very well. Or was it luck? Guess we'll never know.

I should have trusted my gut and voted him