I dont know how but we need to make this random voting stage as quick as possible. Therefore this will be my only rv stage post (icemane may do otherwise his choice).
With that said
I'm not sure whether that's a scummy meta or just a lazy meta. Either way it's horribly anti-town.K7 wrote:i random voted because anyone who knows me knows i most likely wont make it to 100 posts anyways.
I forgot how strange the setup is - i.e., there's no twilight or night phase. If he'd been lynched I was going to save my analysis for the next day, but it doesn't work that way.Lawrence wrote:I only wonder why he didn't show his thoughts when he thought NaJ was lynched.
I agree on this - it's an appeal to emotion, and it doesn't work for me.Lawrence wrote:maxwellhouse: (s?)he bothers me. Her behaviour is very newbish, she says things like "well you can lynch me for what I did but you'll regret it" and she said somthing like "shall I just post nothing then?" like 3 times.
That's a good point. The most interesting part of it will be to see how the heads interact with each other, I think.Ting wrote:One head might look really scummy, and another might be the most protown contributor in the game. Just because a person drops a lot of tells doesn't make them scum. A number of people have built their playstyles around that as a meta shield.
I believe that for sure. Don't tell me, I'll figure it out, this setup is just entirely different than any other I've played.NO. There's something about the game mechanics you're not getting, but I can't tell you why, because then it'll be a Cassandra prophecy.
Well we are looking at k7 for not posting enough however this is shadows only post for the game. Since k7 is on L-1 i think should lynch him and look into shadow tomorrow cause shadows contributed ABSOULUTLY NOTHING.ShadowGirl wrote:I apologize for not posting - my phone and internet went out for some inexplicable reason and it took a few days before a repairmen came to fix it - a reread shall be coming soon.
Well as well your reasoning is poor and you seem more desperate to give reasons for voting us. First of all please quote out repeated info. Remember my first post set out heaps of info for everyone to look at so thats where your point fails. However even though you havnt voted on the best reasoning, im preety sure your town due to ur massive posts and attempt to contribute towards the town.i guess i never further explained why i voted icemuffin, so that is partially my fault. i voted for him because one of them always said the same thing as EVERYONE else had said. it was repeated information, with nothing new to give. if you look at his posts, he often quotes other people of what they have to say and agrees with them (obviously, the most intelligent people). but doesn't really say more than "i agree with you. i agree with you. i agree with you. i agree with you and i'm gonna say what you just said and paraphrase it." (read post 33 and 40- lots of recycled statements) i find that fluff and a bit suspicious.
I'm gonna have to disagree with my partner on this one - I don't think it makes him look town at all. It's an appeal to emotion, as you said, which is not good logic or in any way convincing. I think muffin tends to think big posts = protown, which obviously isn't always the case. In this setup I can follow muffin's thinking, as short posts look scummy, but the inverse doesn't necessarily make a townie.Muerrto wrote: Ice: How does Maxwell's latest post make him look town? Because he got frustrated and started complaining about being new and saying he wouldn't contribute any more etc? That's town?
Do you think this is more suggestive of newb town or newb scum?Muerrto wrote: Second, Maxwell just followed Stranger's vote for the SECOND time. First on JDodge, then on K7. Both times immediately after each other.
...is that each player has a 100 post cap, and once they reach it they die. I'm assuming this cap is in place to make it impossible for the scum to spam to 250 posts and get their NK in the first part of the game. So technically they can't do the auto-win at lylo unless they lurk for pretty much the entire game up until lylo. So I suppose it'd definitely more important to watch for lurkers in the early game than it usually is.Ting wrote: Scum will not lurk at endgame, because THE SCUM AUTO WIN AT LYLO. They can just spam bump the thread to 250 posts and kill a townie. We can't do anything about it because:
Ill answer this:Ice: How does Maxwell's latest post make him look town? Because he got frustrated and started complaining about being new and saying he wouldn't contribute any more etc? That's town?
Now muerrtos point isnt bad but you say that voting somone for fosing on the first page is totally ridculous and straight after that fos by green cow i thought that was suspicious and so did my partner.Now a JDodge wrote: In reply to Muerrto:
I agree that maxwell pulling out the newbie card is a bad move, soMuerrto wrote:My partner still doesn't wanna vote Maxwell. I hate the newb card with a passion. Especially in a non-newbie game. If you plan on playing with the big boys, don't expect us to pull punches. Pulling a newb card here was just bad and saying 'I'm townie I swear' is worse. I reeeeally wanna vote you.
My partner still likes JDodge being scum but I'm simply not feeling it. If I turn out to be wrong I'm gonna have to apologise but not placing my vote there.
I'm compromising and
Vote: Stranger
You jumped from the Dodge wagon to the Max wagon and then HoS'ed Killa even though there's no lynch -1 or whatever in this game instead of voting him to distance yourself from the lynch. What use is the HoS? Why not a vote? Made no sense.FoS: maxwellfor now. But I still think Stranger is scummier at the moment. Muerrto, you've pretty much summarized why I think Stranger is scum, except that I'd add his first vote on Green Cow to the list. (He voted for Green Cow because Green Cow merely FoSed K7, instead of voting K7. Bad reason, I'd say.) I'd also remove Stranger's HoS of K7 from the list; K7 was more or less done at that point. Adding an extra vote wouldn't do much, so what's the difference if he voted or not? Null tell to me.
Still, because of what looks like some major opportunistic voting on Stranger's part:
Vote: StrangerCoug
This I didnt like. My vote wouldve gone there if I had more time to post early on to get a response. It just doesnt make sense for a townie to fos on the first page.Green Cow wrote:Hi guys, how are you all doing?
First off,FoS: killa sevenfor making a small post so early. We shouldn't be wasting posts like this, for a few reasons. I won't go into them right now though, because everyone should be familiar with them.
Then trojen puts this vote on coug for making a good point which is absoulutly crap reason.StrangerCoug wrote:
Green Cow, I understand your bandwagoning concern, but if short posts concern you as a waste of space, then why are you merely FoS'ing killa seven for it? I don't get it, and you seem overly cautious here.
Vote: Green Cow
As I said in my last post this is why it isnt reasonble to fos on the first page and why it was a good reason to vote green cowUm, it sounds very reasonable to me for someone to make a FOS in their very first post, instead of a vote. That's not a scumtell to me. Based on having (IMO) a bad reason to vote Green Cow, and based on what looks like an opportunistic vote on me:
Unvote K7
Vote StrangerCoug
and now on day 3 THAT IS YOUR MAIN REASON FOR VOTING HIM. Also the fact that the rest of NAJD agree with him is even stranger.Let me explain why.
On the first page the aim is to vote to try get a response out of people. Now when you are scum you try not to vote so that you stay in everybodies good books which makes you keep quiet. Therefore no body will vote you and therefore scum become safe.
but i am content with TrojH putting our vote on Stranger, as i agree with everything he said about him. i think it's safe to say that those two are more or less our most suspicious right now.
Well if you looked at max carfully you would relise that he is a newbie. Now I have seen plenty of newbies who post in massive amounts and ALL of them have turned out town. Thats where i got the idea fromNow a JDodge wrote:dahill here..
this has got to be the most crap logic i have ever seen!Icemuffin wrote:Ill answer this:
Now maxs last 2 posts have been massive and they have both aswered questions and explained his votes. His logic might not be the greatest considering he is still adding information to votes on the first page but he is trying to get this game going. I have played here for 4 months and never have i seen a newbie who is posting as much as he is turn out to be scum. I see him as newb town.
first of all,big post =/= town. i have no idea where you got the idea that if someone posts walls of text that they are automatically town. basically what you are saying is: his logic is bad, but he makes big posts and big posts are good!! post size is inno wayindicative of alignment whatsoever, and you clearing him solely on that fact warrants anFoS: icemuffin
Also it is a very common thing for scum to lurk cause then they go unoticed and dont get lynched.i really doubt that mafia would just lurk. since we're at 70-ish posts, still a ways off from 250, the best way for the mafia to be winning would be to spark continuous discussions and spread out the suspicious bubble. the best way for the mafia to win at this point is to make everyone WANT to post while contributing themselves and feeding the fire.
vote: icemuffin
Right, that's how my thought process unfolded as I wrote the post. Usually conclusions are found at the end, so that's where you can look if you missed it somehow, which you apparently did.First you say you don't think name-claims will be productive. Then you say there must be significance to the names. Then you say you think it might not favor town at all.
Technically, it is, isn't it? But that's not the only reason I voted for you.Then you imply that lynching me is a good way to find out if my role-claim is indicative of alignment...
Nope. You already soft claimed and set yourself up to be able to claim the way you did by saying that your name was a non-MS name, so my point is still totally valid.You lie and say: "he chose to claim first" when I was requested to because I already said my name was not of a MS player
Not entirely. That's part of it - as I said, there must be significance to the fact that your name is of a totally different style, if it actually is - but in addition to that, it'd be OK to lynch you based on the rest of the reasons I gave - that is, because I think your claim is crap.You completely ignore my reasoning that the name-claims should not be considered of interest until EVERYBODY had claimed. One person (who you admit didn't seem scummy previously) claims a non-mafiascum name and you think it justifies their lynch?
I didn't ignore that at all - in fact, as I elaborated upon in my post, the fact that you started the claim process is what I found scummy in the first place. I think it's a gambit.You completely ignore the fact that name-claiming was MY idea and that it would be in me-scum's best interest to avoid such claiming if I knew all pro-town players had MS-names.
I doubt your partner would be dumb enough to also claim a non-MS name.If I'm scum and only scum have non-scum names, then my partner and I will be the only ones with non-MS names. If one of us gets lynched, the other is the obvious next choice. So by requesting a name-claim and not making one up, I doomed scum. Sound logic.
It's OMGUS whether you ask for it to be pardoned or not. Also, you might want to switch your vote to "IceMuffin" as I am one head on a hydra account in this game.This post baffles me with failed logic and a horribly unjustified, 'intent-to-lynch' vote. Pardon the OMGUS, and pardon for posting more frequently than I usually intend to, but my vote needs to be replaced.
Unvote, Vote IcemanE
Oops. Missed that. So the power role theory is out - which makes the non-MS names seem even more important.Strife wrote: This game doesn't have powerroles. It's mountainous - 10 vanilla town, 2 vanilla scum. Scum cannot benefit from knowing town names
Let me explain something: I don't believe your claim Strife. I think you probably have a mafiascum name, but like I said, you made up the pirate claim for two reasons:Strife wrote: So you want to lynch me when I'm the only person that's claimed? For all we know, half the players in the game might have names that aren't MS. Or there might be 3 of us. Or just myself. Your Vote is placed long before you get all the information that you Should be basing your vote on. How do you know my claim is 'crap' until everyone else chimes in with better ones?
Yes, that sounds like a plausible strategy. Stranger and NAJD are at the bottom of the list. Are you saying they are your partners? I see that as a possibility. I'm curious - if you're denying putting them at the bottom of the list with a motive, would you mind if they were the next two players to claim?Then I'm forcing my partner to make up a name claim which may overlap with someone elses? Or me-scum was clever and put my partner at the end of the claim-list, in which case he'll be under suspicion because he's at the end of the claim list And had a crappy claim.
We're still close to a lynch deadline pretty much at all times during this game with only 5 days between lynches. Here's the thing - I already think that, given the info we have, there's enough to support your lynch, so I don't need to wait around for any more, especially since we have such a limited amount of time to decide.We're nowhere close to lylo, so you want to make a lynch now with less information than a lynch later with more?
He's right - by claiming with a non-MS name, you've essentially destroyed the effectiveness of the nameclaim, which would of course be the intent of scum.GC wrote: In fact, that seems extremely likely because your claim nigh-ruins the effectiveness of a mass name claim. You set up the mass name claim to seem pro-town, then you ruin it with your claim AND seem even MORE pro-town because you suggested it with such an off-the-wall claim. What doesn't make sense is WHY you would suggest it if you knew your claim was going to ruin it.
This sounds legit, and though I don't understand it, I know it relates to MS. TheStatusQuo's avatar and signature are about Brandi, whoever that is.I'm Brandi and I give 'Moar Hugz'. I have no clue who the hell that is but maybe my partner(who's V/LA) or someone else in this game does. That's why I said I've nothing to hide because I simply can't make something like that up.
How is that a weird coincidence? Three people voting for the person they find scummiest is scummy? If that's the criteria for suspicion, every person on every wagon is immediatly suspect, and that's faulty logic.Weird coincidence none of them are voting for each other but Stranger and Cow are both voting Strife...
I totally disagree with ur theory ting. If coug was scum and chose to flood the game with all his posts then the total would be around 190 since this is only the 106th post meaning scum still dont even get a nk. If i was scum then I would just try to defend myself from being lynched because if I suceed then a townie is lynched which is just as good as a nk if you see what I mean.ting =) wrote:Yes, they contradict.
At the time of my first post, strangercoug and strife were both at 3 votes each.
Whoever I voted would have been the lynch. If I picked the scum correctly, they would have spammed the thread.
I decided then that I'd watch whoever I voted for. If they spammed, they're scum. If they didn't, then they're most probably town.
Since stranger didn't spam, I'm inclined to think that he's town. This doesn't make strife scum, but it does make me think that my vote on strangercoug is on the wrong place. Hence, the switch to strife.
Ting wrote: I'll admit I have no case on strife. I do, however, now think that strangercoug is town.
@Ting - I'm guessing that the bolded above is a typo? Or was it a slipup?Ting wrote:Also, read my reply to muerrto - I don't know if strife is guilty,but i do know that i don't think strangercoug is town, i don't want him lynched.It boils down to me currently thinking that strangercoug is townier, which means that given a choice of a stranger lynch or a strife lynch, i'd go with strife.
Now this is absoulte rubish. I put the extra vote on sc because I know strife isnt scum and TO MAKE SURE NO BODY ALL OF A SUDDEN VOTES STRIFE AGAIN. Yet you done the exact same thing so stop being a hipocrete. You keep sayin "oh i have a good reason for voting ice" yet YOU HAVE NOT MADE ONE GOOD POINT WHATSOEVER. I know this is one of your first games here but you really need to stop being so stubborn and actually read everything that goes on.maxwellhouse wrote:random wagon jump? at this point, votes on strife or strangercoug wouldn't matter at all. since strangercoug already had majority vote on him. this seems more like a "crap, we got caught!" vote.icemuffin wrote:uot;]Well first off I really hope that the day hasnt ended yet as strife is not scum. I just cant imagine him being scum after his last 2 posts. He hasnt look scummy to me the whole time except for the fact he claims to have the name of a non ms player.
so just incase we are still on day 2
well, the thing is, you did that also. though ting pulled out last minute also, you were the very very last to do this, when it didn't even matter anymore. ting did it when it could have mattered; you did it once strangercoug had officially the majority on him.icemuffin wrote:I have a tough time believing scum would ride their partner's bandwagon to the end in this setup, with only 2 of them against 10 town. Therefore I'm going to set aside suspicions of those on stranger's wagon at the end of day 2 - that is, Now a JDodge, maxwellhouse, and Lawrencelot-Muerrto. This also increases my suspicion of Ting - like I said, he pulled out in the 11th hour and attempted to change the lynch.
so...
vote: icemuffin
@NaJd- How about we get every single person in the hydra to give us an oponion of who they think is scum and who they think is town. 9 oponions is much more usfull then just the one. I suggest putting this into 1 or 2 posts.
Well doesnt somone hate it when I point out the smallest reason why I dont think you are definatly town.Muerrto wrote:Ahahahaha anyone wanna read back and find who was the first person to vote Stranger yesterday? Me! Not pro-town? Off track?Icemuffin wrote:mue- nothing really pro-town and the fact hes off track
Nice. Quite happy with my vote.
Oh, and I also said either you OR Cow but this statement right here is a perfect reason why it's you.
Your votes so far Ice:
Jdodge
K7
JDodge
Stranger
Ting
Cow
Who's off track?
Well if I went over the top and lashed out at you then I do apologise. I was in the moment and posted as I was reading. This would have to be the first time for me where it feels like no matter what I say you arent going to change ur mind and now I understand how it feels.maxwellhouse wrote:jeez, calm down. seriously. i AM reading everything. i'm playing the game as best as i can and trying to bring out information and you yelling "OMG BRING OUT ACTUAL INFORMATIONNNNNNNNNNNN YOU SUCK." well, what do you want me to do? honestly. i suspect you. don't yell at me because i'm saying stuff about you. maybe it's sucky information. well keep that to your fucking self, okay? defend yourself but don't be a dick about it.icemuffin wrote:Now this is absoulte rubish. I put the extra vote on sc because I know strife isnt scum and TO MAKE SURE NO BODY ALL OF A SUDDEN VOTES STRIFE AGAIN. Yet you done the exact same thing so stop being a hipocrete. You keep sayin "oh i have a good reason for voting ice" yet YOU HAVE NOT MADE ONE GOOD POINT WHATSOEVER. I know this is one of your first games here but you really need to stop being so stubborn and actually read everything that goes on.
yeah, look at what you yourself said, please.icemuffin wrote:I may not be the greatest scum hunter, In fact im preety crap at it. But at least I will try my best to win this game for the town and thats all can do.
If this isnt a typo then can you explain what ive done that is scummier?Cow here.
First off, sorry about my partner's idiotic vote. Muffin was so much scummier than strife, and I told him that, but he still voted for strife anyways, I don't know why.