Haha I can't blame you, but let me return the favorMusher333 wrote:Since i believe in revengevote Lord_hur,2 votes is nothing with this many people.
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I was thinking about a poisoner role, who can poison one type of food, maybe with a delay on the death.PyroDwarf wrote:I wonder how our lunch will come into play? Maybe "XXX is dead and there are pancakes everywhere!" I just picked pancakes at random, it isn't mine, who has pancakes for lunch, anyways?All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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Hmm sorry, I've not played with hidden roles before. So you're saying town doesn't want roles to be known, while scum on the contrary want them revealed?thevampireofdusseldorf wrote:HoS:lord_hurwould be a vote but I believe you are on 3 so far.
What is speculation on roles at this time going to do to help town?
AlsoFos:PyroDwarffor more speculation.
I have trouble with the idea. I've always been said on the contrary that town does want to get more info, while scum's power lies in secrecy.
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That would be Mr Stoofer. I put him with the "very good and experienced players I could learn a lot from"Musher333 wrote:And @lord_hur who was it you wanted to be in a game with? As that is what you said in the queue thread, im nosey deal with it.:dAll lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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At any rate, and if what you said is true, I've not made much damage, as my speculation over a poisoner role is really far-fetched (and a scum role), and about the resurrect thing... well I'd have an argument to defend myself but it would give more info, and apparently this is badthevampireofdusseldorf wrote:HoS:lord_hurwould be a vote but I believe you are on 3 so far.
What is speculation on roles at this time going to do to help town?
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I was thinking it would help town, so the lynch is not a shot in the dark... Maybe not thoughhasdgfas wrote:If we discuss the setup, it will give the scum more information than we want them to have. It's best to keep them guessing about these things as much as we can.All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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Then if it is neutral to town, why would you FoS me (vote me even, if I wasn't at L-3 already) over it ?thevampireofdusseldorf wrote:Not that it does much damage either way but at this stage of the game it has no use. I have my own private thoughts about these things especialy the food but it is of no benifit to speculate on these things yet.
Well anyway, unless someone objects to thevampireofdusseldorf's statements, I will shut up about this whole roles thing.All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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I think I know what you're refering to and there's a good explanation, but I guess I can't give it without getting more FoS... this IS public info though.Mr Stoofer wrote:The following quotes make me think that lord_hur knows more about this setup than the rest of us (or at least: more than me).All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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Okay, I think the reason Mr Stoofer thinks I know more than him about the setup if that there is extra info in undo's introductory post in the queue thread, including the reference to 10 plagues. So I was thinking maybe he didn't read it.thevampireofdusseldorf wrote:@lord_hur
Speculating on roles even if there is no obvious disadvantage to town or obvious advantage to scum I have to see as slightly scummy.
If you are town and have an explanation that wont hurt town or help scum then perhaps you should explain. If not your explanation for not explaining is unsatisfactory.lord_hur wrote:I think I know what you're refering to and there's a good explanation, but I guess I can't give it without getting more FoS... this IS public info though.
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I deemed the suspicion that was already on lord_hur to be sufficent for his action
I also viewed your overburdening of him with more suspicion suspicious
I don't think pointing to this info can hurt town, but since I've been pretty harshly voted for giving info already...
Thinking back about it though, I still think that info helps both town and scum (for now, I will blame this on my newbness tough, maybe I'll understand later).
About what you said to Mr Stoofer though... Please tell me what gives you the *exclusive* right to questioning people ?
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Err, I was reacting to thevampireofdusseldorf's post, not yours, as indicates :Mr Stoofer wrote:
Nothing at all. Anyone can question anyone, as far as I am concerned. I'll answer any questions you have.lord_hur wrote:Please tell me what gives you the *exclusive* right to questioning people ?
I don't understand where you got the idea that I claimed the *exclusive* right to question people.
- the fact that I quoted his post and not yours ;
- and the "About what you said to Mr Stoofer, though" part, which was right before your quote of my post.
Both roles were basically far-fetched guesses on assumptions I explained when I posted them ; but to clarify even more :Mr Stoofer wrote:
I read the opening post. But I saw no warrant for a resurrection role, or a poisoner. Nor for your assumption that we are going to have a different plague every night.lord_hur wrote:Okay, I think the reason Mr Stoofer thinks I know more than him about the setup if that there is extra info in undo's introductory post in the queue thread, including the reference to 10 plagues. So I was thinking maybe he didn't read it.
- poisoner : only because that there are food types ; does it get any more far-fetched ?
- resurrector : because there are 10 plagues, and as there was one plague night 0, so I thought maybe 1 plague each night, which means 10 nights planned (which IS stupid, I agree with Musher333). To last 10 nights with 12 players, you'd need a resurrector. But again, 10 nights is stupid, so this entire deduction crumbles.
So both guesses were complete shots in the dark, and most probably wrong.
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Yes, I learned a lot by playing with cicero (and, to a lesser extent, Adel, but that was my fault ), more than the other newbie games combined (though Adele was great too)Musher333 wrote:Wow this game moves quite fastly doesnt it? And @Lord_hur about wanting to be with stoofer its a good point, better people help make you better. (supposedly)All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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He was basically asking where I got the informations, because explaining it was the only way I could defend myself. I see what you're trying to say though. But because *you* analyzed something doesn't mean one can't analyze the same thing, especially if the person brings up new points, which Mr Stoofer did (the fact that I might know more than him).thevampireofdusseldorf wrote:
If you look at the third quote I didn't really see it as a question, more 3 quotes of yours (a large body of evidence) and an accusation. To me it was trying to push something a bit far.lord_hur wrote:About what you said to Mr Stoofer though... Please tell me what gives you the *exclusive* right to questioning people ?
Questioning people for good reasons is an eminently pro-town attitude and should not be denied to anyone.
On the other hand, if you think someone's accusation is undue, it is perfectly fair game to question it. But it is not what you said.
I agree that this whole thing went out of proportion, but I had to defend myself.thevampireofdusseldorf wrote: I think most were happy to leave this speculating business aloneAll lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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I'm tired. But okay, one last round on this :thevampireofdusseldorf wrote:
I dont really see that as bringing up a new point (not points) that you might know more than him, as he explains below that he had read the applicable meterial, so thus "you might know more than me" is throwing suspicion on you as being scum.lord_hur wrote:He was basically asking where I got the informations, because explaining it was the only way I could defend myself. I see what you're trying to say though. But because *you* analyzed something doesn't mean one can't analyze the same thing, especially if the person brings up new points, which Mr Stoofer did (the fact that I might know more than him).
I also don't understand your conclusion of how he was asking you where you got your information from.
Mr Stoofer implies here that I got information from means not available to everyone, i.e. that I leaked info from my role pm from undo. To refute it, It was necessary for me to prove him that all the info I used was public.Mr Stoofer wrote:The following quotes make me think that lord_hur knows more about this setup than the rest of us (or at least: more than me).
So the underlying question was : Where did you get the info ?
Hmm I didn't understand it this way. It's best he comments on this himself.thevampireofdusseldorf wrote:If it is given as MR Stoofer has said he read the information then the "at least: more than me" part is I imagine to be taken as "I dont know things I am unimformed majority aka town"All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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Sorry about this, I was unnecessarily aggressive This whole discussion is slowly getting on my nerves...lord_hur wrote:
And I'm not sure I like how you call "statements" what was obviously wild guesses, especially after I took all that time to clarify it.HackerHuck wrote:I'm not sure I like how quickly Lord_Hur backtracked on his initial statements.All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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Look really scummy ? What the hell makes you say that ? I was just saying I don't understand what he means... Where did you see even one hint of accusation or allusion to scummyness?HackerHuck wrote:
If I'm reading it right (and this is my position by the way) he is saying that we shouldn't bother speculating on tidbits in the opening posts until we actually have some information about those tidbits.lord_hur wrote:
We need more info ? On what then, if we must keep roles secret ?PyroDwarf wrote:That discussion seems to be winding down with the agreement that we need more info first.
I really don't like this post. When I read it, it made PyroDwarf look really scummy, but when I looked at his actual post I got absolutely no scum-vibes.All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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No, re-read it. He's accusing me of making PyroDwarf look scummy, but that PyroDwarf's actual post wasn't scummy.Musher333 wrote:He isn't accusing you he is accusing PyroDwarf so i would be careful, your remark could be counted as scummish.
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Any comments on what happened since you last posted ?Shin Hatsubai wrote:Sorry folks, I had to go out of town unexpectedly. I have caught up on the thread and everything. I also feel that random voting has ended, and my vote on lord_hur should have been removed long ago
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The problem with your reasoning is, if it were true no one would ever be able to get out of a defensive position, as the mere fact of doing anything else looks scummy according to you. Do you think I should just keep defending myself till someone lynches me for no pro-town activity ? No thanks.thevampireofdusseldorf wrote:Ok I am happy with a vote on now
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After watching his reactions to things I am happy to do this, asking for Prods and others thoughts seems to me like wanting to get out of the spotlight.All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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My own opinion on this :Guardian wrote:hasdgfas is scum. At the bottom of the thread, where it says 'display posts by previous', click hasdgfas, and view his posts in isolation:
Post 0 -- he random votes for HH because he doesn't want to get hacked. He is showing care for his own well being, even in his joke.
Post 1 -- he addresses a question posed to someone else (tvod, conveniently), and talks about how "we" shouldn't do "x" because that would help "them" -- the scum. This post is trying to be helpful but isn't, and interjects so tvod can't answer the question untainted.
Post 2 -- Similarly appears to be helpful but isn't really. 'Why not play mafia?'. ...
Post 3 -- hasdgfas is definitely directing tvod here; my most probable read is scum directing scum (partner, why do you act suspiciously? act better!) but I think that scum directing new town to look nice a pro-town is an almost as probable scenario.
Post 4 -- Casts minor suspicion and comments on how 'he doesn't like' something.
SlySly is also probably scum.
tvod may or may not be scum; there is evidence of a hasdgfas connection, for sure. I am unsure how much faith I have in the direct case on tvod.
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0. Very far-fetched.
1. I don't like the use of we and them too, I must admit. But it is not a good scumtell in my books.
2. Well it wasn't the most useful thing to say, but it was on point regarding what VOD said. No scumtell.
3. He was trying to make VOD talk, not directing him. And I would have been interested in VOD's answer too. Pro-town to me.
4. Same, he's just provoking a reaction. Slightly pro-town.
On the other hand, I do agree with you on the fact hasdgfas has only said pretty obvious things, that others would surely have asked if he wasn't there (on 4 I actually said the same thing right before he did, probably Sarnath'ed him though).
I don't think it should get him a vote for now though. But if he still hasn't contributed much in a week or so... (<- this is a subtle hint directed to hasdgfas).All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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Sarnath'ed.hasdgfas wrote:This post seems to me to be a lot of theory and speculation. I don't see anything here that actually moves the game forward.
Shin, a couple questions for you:
1) Why do you think we need another night to get a better feel for this game? Don't you think we can use 1 day to find scum? It seems to me like what's more important to you at this point is understanding the game as opposed to finding scum.
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While I don't like VOD's playstyle as well, let's not lynch him (or anyone else for that matter) too soon : he's already at L-2.
The day is very young, and I'm sure there are many interesting things we could learn.
For example, I'd like a few precisions :
@Guardian : your only contribution so far has been your stating that qasdgfas is scum. In the light on the posts that followed this stating, do you maintain it ?
@HackerHuck, whose only 2 meaningful posts before his attack on Guardian had been attacks on me for reasons I qualified as quite defective. You just wrote off your first attack, but do you still think the second was justified ?
@Mr Stoofer : do you still think I know more than you ? Also, you said something that leads me to think you know more about the setup than me : you only said that scum would know more than the others, but why do you seem to be thinking that eventual town special roles do not know more than vanillas ? Why did you only associate my alleged superior knowledge with scum ?
@Musher333 : hmm hard one, didn't notice anything that wasn't on point. I'd just like more analyzing and accusations, if possible (if just so I get things to ask hehe).
@PyroDwarf : about your taking my speculation as just that, for now : what conclusion will you draw if one or more things I speculated over (a resurrector role, a poisoner role, 1 plague each night) is/are confirmed ?
@Shin Hatsubai : Why do you think it would be bad for town to let the day drag on too much ? What could be the damage, if everyone stays active and provides accusations and answers (in which you are arguably behind everyone else) ?
@Singing Librarian : more activity please (only 4 posts, and your only attack had been following someone else). Also, you qualified Guardian's attack as interesting, could you tell me in which way ?
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Yes, this is what I meant. Thank you.Mr Stoofer wrote:I am not sure that I understand your second/third questions. Generally, giving away extra information is a Scum tell, rather than a Power-Role tell (did you look at the wiki link?). That's because Scum are super keen to appear helpful, while Power-Roles tend to want to stay hidden. That is why I normally ascribe extra knowledge of the setup to scum, when it comes out day 1. But you make a fair point -- pro-Town Power-Roles may also be able to work out the setup more easily.
I agree with the general idea, but I just want to add that although it's true that SOME scum will naturally try to appear useful, it sure is not always the case. Take Quitex in that last game for example : he was spouting mainly gibberish and voted way too fast, and was not appearing *very* useful to town by any standard. I have other examples in mind, but can't use them as the games are not finished.
Also, some players naturally try to be active and helpful in all their games, regardless of their alignment or power-role, just because that's how a good vanilla would appear.
So I think what you say is very interesting, it is *far* from being an absolute truth.All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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After all this time, I for one expect a nice big meaty post...SlySly wrote:Someone's hunch is without merit. Pretty much been on unexpected V\LA, will contribute more soon after a read through.
Also, your question :
@SlySly : In your opinion, should lurkers (in general) be considered as scummy, playing anti-town, both depending on on the circumstances ? Why?All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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We didn't get the info for kabenon007, there's no reason to think we'll get it for the next one.Mr Stoofer wrote:Of course, phrases such as "tvod turns up as scum" kinda assumes we will find out his alignment if/when we lynch him
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This is a good thing I asked your opinion *in general* because otherwise I would be stuck with this type of reply. I wanted to ask you a question like the others, but the only noticeable thing about you is that you were away (which I personally believe is the truth). So I asked this.SlySly wrote:Lurking is sometimes not lurking. This is very much the case for a player who has never posted in the game. You have absolutely no way of knowing if that player is lurking or just not around to contribute therefore is a null tell. I would find a player that popped in every now and then just to throw down a quick vote or FoS then fall back into lurk mode much more suspicious than I would a player that has never posted.
I think your attack on Mr Stoofer is very interesting, as no one explored this lead before. However, your linking of Mr Stoofer and Guardian is a bit of a stretch in my opinion. and looks like confirmation bias (you found scummy - to you - behavior regarding Mr Stoofer and Guardian, so you looked for a link, and as this is the main one...).
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"I really don't like this post" IS an attack. I accept your answer though, as I have myself done the same thing before (as town).HackerHuck wrote:
Do I really come off that mean?lord_hur wrote:@HackerHuck, whose only 2 meaningful posts before his attack on Guardian had been attacks on me for reasons I qualified as quite defective. You just wrote off your first attack, but do you still think the second was justified ?
I didn't really think I was attacking you the second time, so I'm not sure what to say. When I read your quote of PyroDwarf, it made him sound scummy. Rereading your post I'm not feeling it as much as I did the first time, but that doesn't discount my initial impression. I think you're overreacting to a rather minor point I made.All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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You are wrong. Everyone, including SlySly who is currently attacking Mr Stoofer, thinks that he actually added to the discussion (but not necessarily in a town way, according to SlySly).thevampireofdusseldorf wrote:I have already explained that Mr Stoofers comment re lord_hur was not adding anything new to the discussion and my interpretation (aided by Mr Stoofer) shows this was a mere "I think you are scum and I am town".
The difference is not enough to be used as an argument (in my opinion).thevampireofdusseldorf wrote:If somebody adds to a bandwagon in a way you find suspicious is it then reasonable to find them suspicious also?
This is why I FoSed Mr Stoofer.
I guess my explanation for the comment "if it is merited" I have not explained too well. So I will try to give it plainly.
If you are town and add to a bandwagon then you obviously believe your suspicion is merited because you do not know if that person is scum or town.
If you are scum then you have to add suspicion when itseemsmerited.
Hmm, SlySly raised this point too; I'd like to see Mr Stoofer's answer about it.thevampireofdusseldorf wrote:So from what I have gathered Mr Stoofer added a rather pointless comment to the anti lord_hur movement and then was overly interested in if his suspicions seemed merited in my eyes.
A link with Singing Librarian ? What link ?thevampireofdusseldorf wrote:Now I dont hold what I think to be evidence enough to say Mr Stoofer is scum but I am suspicious of him and if he is scum I see a link between him and Singing Librarian.
Overall, it's better on the clarity, but not perfect. Look at SlySly's arguments agianst Mr Stoofer for example. Quick. To the point. Efficient (just judging the form, not the content).All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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Well, it seems the mod has decided to show us that he will give more info about the dead in the future. Look at post 0 now.lord_hur wrote:
We didn't get the info for kabenon007, there's no reason to think we'll get it for the next one.Mr Stoofer wrote:Of course, phrases such as "tvod turns up as scum" kinda assumes we will find out his alignment if/when we lynch him
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Ah damn, it's my fault, I wanted to quote only the second part of VOD's post, about you being "overly interested...", which wasn't unlike SlySly's accusation of being overly defensive in that same post 32.Mr Stoofer wrote:
My point about lord_hur was not pointless.lord_hur wrote:
Hmm, SlySly raised this point too; I'd like to see Mr Stoofer's answer about it.thevampireofdusseldorf wrote:So from what I have gathered Mr Stoofer added a rather pointless comment to the anti lord_hur movement and then was overly interested in if his suspicions seemed merited in my eyes.It was a point that nobody else had mentioned before. That is why tvod's FOS of me was so stupid. I agree that merely repeating points someone else has made is sometimes a scum tell, but my point wasbrand new. That is why I got so annoyed with tvod.
The first part of the post is completely wrong in my opinion (and I've always said so).
The three "???" after kabenon007 in the dead section have always been there ?Mr Stoofer wrote:
I've looked and I didn't see what you are referring to...lord_hur wrote:Well, it seems the mod has decided to show us that he will give more info about the dead in the future. Look at post 0 now.All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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He's talking about this. It is obvious to me that you two know something the others (or me at least) don't know, and are debating whether you should reveal it or not.Guardian wrote:Stoofer, I don't insist.
unvote; vote: Mr Stoofer
It seems it is not something about your alignments, since Guardian voted for Mr Stoofer. I also feel it is not something of great importance, as Mr Stoofer talks quite openly about it.All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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Yes, I could understand it if no one was talking (in another game, I am basically engaged in a near-monologue so I stopped giving input), but the activity has been great so far in here.Mr Stoofer wrote:I've just done a read through on everyone and one thing leaped out at me that I hadn't spotted before, namely the fact that hasdgfas is posting regularly elsewhere on the site but hasn't posted here for 3 days. In my book that is more than enough to warrantunvote; vote:hasdgfas.
I still think thevampireofdussledorf has to die, though (if he is not scum he doesn't deserve to live).All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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I completely agree with this. Players behaving anti-town, even if they are not scum, are greatly hurting town, as they reduce the amount of information available and/or reduce town's reasoning ability (lurkers, one-line post specialists, confusing people, etc).Mr Stoofer wrote:Well, I just wanted to make sure you knew, and that you weren't voting for me under a misapprehension. (Although to be honest I'd rather you weren't voting for me at all.)
@SlySly: you have understood my post about tvod correctly. But it is not anti-Town to want to kill a player who is hurting the town regardless of their alignment. Click here for a thread where lots of people express the view that killing players who are hurting the Town is a good idea regardless of their alignment. See posts 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 12, 15, 20, 21 -- all of which agree with me that sometime you have to have a lynch of the player that is not helping the Town. See especially 20 and 21, made by me before I got my role PM in this game.
For example, in another game, lylo situation : 2 out of 5 people are ghosts, only posting a couple lines a week to answer the prods. What do you think town chances are in this situation ? Nearly zero.All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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Of course. Lynching anti-town should *only* take place when town has no real lead on who scum might be. I actually wrote this in my last post, but erased it right before posting, as it sounded so obvious.SlySly wrote:
I don't care who agrees with you, this is scum logic. Though mislynches happen, I would prefer to never lynch a townie, regardless of their play style.Mr Stoofer wrote: But it is not anti-Town to want to kill a player who is hurting the town regardless of their alignment.
While I agre with the reasoning, I don't think VOD should die because of it. I think it should only be used in serious cases, and he is just not one of them.SlySly wrote:Beside, tVoD is not hurting the town in any way that I can see.All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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Re-read post 200 :thevampireofdusseldorf wrote:lord_hur why are you supporting Mr Stoofer?
If he wishes to just lynch someone for being anti town without actually hunting for scum then that is plain ole scummy behaviour to me.
- in part 2, I say I agree with his reasoning, NOT his conclusions (not now, not later, unless you go lurking for a long time or your posts' quality decrease in a substancial way).
- in part 1, I say this should only be used as a last resort. If Mr Stoofer tried to use it right now to get you lynched, I'd be on his back like a rabid dog. At the moment though, he's not trying to actively influence people, he is just answering questions.All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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1. Where the hell did you get that I'm trying to defend him in the first place ? (same question than Guardian I know, but you didn't answer him)thevampireofdusseldorf wrote:My stance on Mr Stoofer is he seems to be the most likely scum. Those supporting his arguments or his position I will find slightly scummy.
lord_hurs post is a bit wierd in that he says I support his theory but not his application. This is a strange way of defending someone. Also it gives lord_hur an excuse not to be on the back of Mr Stoofer.
Post 203 has only made me more suspicious of lord_hurs behaviour towards Mr Stoofer.
2. Mr Stoofer stated an existing theory that is clearly very debated. So there are tons of people agreeing or disagreeing with it. Why would you blame anyone for just stating their opinion ?All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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I voted VOD because I didn't like the way he thrwe FoS's around without any good reason, and maintained it later mainly because I have no real lead and VOD never was in danger of being lynched (or the hammering would have looked VERY scummy...).Guardian wrote:I still don't understand why people want to kill TVOD, could someone summarize??
Guess I shouldUnvotethough.
Right now I have one eye on SlySly, because I don't like the way he appears to be focusing excusively on Mr Stoofer...
My other eye is on Guardian (and also on Mr Stoofer, who seems to be very focused on defending him), as I still find very strange the way he clearly stated that he was sure of hasdgas' scumminess, while later saying he's playing by sense of smell... Unless he has a very powerful nose, it just doesnt stick together.All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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Guardian wrote:My nose is pretty sweet.
OOOOOOO SNAAAAAAAAAAP!lord_hur wrote:
Oh yes, Guardian, could you develop this please ?Guardian wrote:O SNAP!
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It is very interesting.Guardian wrote:lord-hur, what do you think of the expansion I did for you right there?All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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Yes, this had me wondering too. But I didn't know back then if I should push the matter, because there is that consensus that more info is bad for town.PyroDwarf wrote:Also, he says that players with more info are likely to be scum, then goes on and says he has information that he will reveal if guardian insists???
Strange playing on Mr Stoofer's part though.All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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This still isn't an answer. What made you surprised/shocked/angry/whatever ?Guardian wrote:
I think it was the most concise post I could have made to accurately express my reaction to your post, so yes.SlySly wrote:Mr. Stoofer for one and you for two. Do you really think "Oh Snap!" was a contributing answer post in response to my question to you?All lurkers unite! And jump off the nearest cliff. Now.-
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