Mini 598 - Justice Justice - Abandoned

[WeyounsLastClone]

Vote:ZombieSlayer54

for being first to post. L-5 should have you nervous alright

[WeyounsLastClone]

My thoughts:

Like I said in my last post, it's not very likely that there are two identical scum groups in both games. Therefore a mafia for Nebraska might be more helpful, today, since it doesn't affect his game, tomorrow. So I came out baiting for some information about the mafia; I didn't think Oklahoma mafia would take the bait but I Thought nebraska mafia WOULD because it would give them TOWNIE points in this game.

I think Korts responded exactly the way I was hoping to. After I locked that in, I pushed the thread a bit further by trying to bait for scum from THIS Game to respond as well, by saying that the setup wasn't fair for mafia in this day's game. What I got was three people who responded by voting me. Korts I can understand; I think because he's scum tomorrow he wanted to discredit me today by trying to get me lynched, but maybe didn't remember that I'll only die in this game, but not tomorrow's (Nebraska).

Angelmouse's response was completely and totally oppurtunistic: She gave absolutely nothing for me to respond to except a vote, and has left nothing ot be tracked back to her except that vote, which doesn't mean anything because she can write it off as random later on.

Then we get to Zombieslayer, who apparently enjoys the Power of Ignorance: If you do not understand something, don't bother trying to

understand

it... just vote for it!

Kabenon: This probably is less plain english than my earlier posts were, but I have expressed my intentions as clearly as I can.

So you're saying you wanted to set a trap for scum? I often feel traps are used by scum to confuse town, something you managed to do quite well over here.

Unvote. Vote Skruffs.

[WeyounsLastClone]

Unvote, vote WeyounsLastClone

Well, add voting without waiting for an explation to my list of your scummy behavior. OMGUS much?

In the traps I've seen used, the trap always caused for much ambiguation and doubt in town. In the game I was in were a trap was used, the one doing the trap turned out to be scum. So yeah, I'm suspicious concerning traps, and my vote still stands.

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Hmm, got an invalid session, and re-entered again, and now the quote is messed up. Anyway, my post was in response to post 52 by Skruffs.

[WeyounsLastClone]

I'm not much of a talker, especially not at the start of a game, and this one week deadline is really short! Anyway, I'm happy where my vote is at the moment, I hope today's play is enough to have some information tomorrow.

[WeyounsLastClone]

Hmm, funny game. Weekly deadlines are a bit too short for my tastes and favor the mafia a lot, but we'll just have to make the best with what we got. I guess Oklahoma doesn't really provide much information, so this pretty much is a random vote.

Vote kabenon007

because he hasn't posted in Nebraska yet.

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Well, I don't really know what to say if a random vote causes a bandwagon of 3 votes on you.

It was a random vote, I was looking through the list of players, and thought I caught a name that didn't post yet. Obviously, it was kind of stupid, because the one I mentioned posted directly before me. Without wanting to get in WIFOM territory, I don't think bad reading is a scumtell. If scum read the game badly, they only cause problems to themselves. Scum that don't read the game are pretty bad scum in my opinion. As for me, I just wanted to get a vote on the way. I do think that of the people voting for me there'd be a scum. I think ZS reason for the vote is actually quite decent, kabenon I can understand because he was the target of the vote, so that leaves VanDamien as most suspicious to me (also because the only thing he says is 'well... vote xxx'.

So

unvote. Vote VanDamien.

[WeyounsLastClone]

Some points to respond:

At this point we have really little information for Nebraska. We agree that votes are necessary to get this game going before the deadline. In that respect, if ZombieSlayer is voting, I understand he uses my mistake as reason for voting me. With such short deadlines I think scum can more safely join bandwagons, for example with the excuse 'a lynch is better than a no lynch', or just for a simple error (in this case). I think townies will also follow this, but more close to the deadline.

[WeyounsLastClone]

Where do you get we all die? I think Zombieslayer's behavior is erratic and strange, and he's also seeding fear with his comments.

Unvote. Vote ZombieSlayer54.

[WeyounsLastClone]

I really didn't like Skruffs play day one, and his behavior now isn't making it any better.

Vote: Skruffs.

I don't know if the exact same thing would happen tonight. A lot of townies should still have their vig, and with two lynches, it should give enough information that at least some townies can use it to kill a mafia.

[WeyounsLastClone]

Come on people, we need more input!

I was under the impression that the mafia had a NK every night, VanDAmien.

Thanks for giving me some info about them though!

Unvote, Vote: VanDamien

This feels a bit like an OMGUS-vote to me. But I don't really like VanDamien backing down either.

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Not that I can say that my behavior is entirely different from Skruffs, but Skruffs only seems to be voting for people voting him. Also, part of the reason of my vote is the confusing behavior by Skruffs day one. Saying scum wouldn't act like that is pure WIFOM-reasoning and doesn't give any information regarding his alignment.

Also, kabenon leaving for one and a half week, basically skipping one week of oklahoma, and one of nebraska, isn't really helping either. Any way to get the deadline extended?

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Day one you come up with some confusing and ill-conceived 'trap'. Now day 2 you vote Van Damien, and me, the only two who've laid suspicion on you. If that isn't OMGUS, I don't know.

Now you add a strange comment to Korts that leads straight into WIFOM.

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Yeah, or your claim was fake, and you're having a little charade with Skruffs now.

[WeyounsLastClone]

So, we're just gonna hide and vig our way through this game?

Glotnot posted a bit during day 1 Nebraska, but not really much that gives us big clues. I agree with VanDamien that I find the interaction with kabenon the most suspicious. I'm also a bit suspicious of ZombieSlayer. His votes don't sit too well with me.

But based on day 1 discussion, the votes placed, and the fact glotnot turned up scum, I'm going to

vote kabenon

.

[WeyounsLastClone]

As for the Glotnot-kabenon connection, post 156 is a weak indicator. Post 171, and more so 178 where he says at most one of kabenon/WLC is mafia also deal with this.

123 shows a weak possible link Glotnot/Skruffs.

Otherwise, there's not much to take from day 1. There were 4 votes on the bandwagon on me, one of them was Glotnot's. I don't really know if there's another scum on that list. If so, kabenon could be it.

With a deadline tomorrow, seems we're up for another no lynch, so hopefully the hides/vigs will do something useful.

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Yes. Unless there are doctors in Oklahoma as well, it means no one used their vig. Have to reread the first two days, but I hope we have some more discussion today, if enough people pick up their pords.

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I actually don't get it. You say Korts hasn't used his shot, but is claiming to have done so instead of another scum? Now Korts, who still has his shot left, draws all the attention, possibly getting himself lynched/killed, losing his vig-shot he supposedly has left in the process. Something's fishy here.

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No matter if he has his kill or not, I still think Korts is scum. It feels to much of a ploy to me, especially since we're being pointed at it again today.

Unvote. Vote: Korts.

[WeyounsLastClone]

I would advise that nobody asks who has used up their shot or not today. With 9 alive, a mislynch would result in a town loss, especially if the mafia know who has a shot left and who doesn't.

Uhm, how would we lose then? We'll still have lots of vig-bullets to go around which, if we use them wisely, unlike say Korts' vig, can get the scum down.

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hey, it's easy to call my vig stoopid once you know ZS's alignment.

True, but using your vig night one is also a bit careless.

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Skruffs, is there somewhere I missed there are exactly 3 mafia? Or do you know that because you're scum yourself?

[WeyounsLastClone]

I only see

Oklahoma Justice: like Texas Justice, but the mafia are all one-shot just like the town

And in the wiki I can't seem to find any specific numbers for Texas.

[WeyounsLastClone]

Did chaotic-diablo and J-Man answer their prods?

Maybe we could have days that last two weeks instead of one? Otherwise I feel we never really get from the ground (otherwise people who are prodded should respond within a day or so, or be replaced).

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Interesting development, makes me look at the rules in a new light. Kind of makes sense, considering mafia are one-shot killers as well.

Skruffs, did you use an ability this night?

At this point I think it'll be very hard to gain new information on the remaining scum, because he doesn't have partners anymore, and at most one nightkill left for the mafia.

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Weyouns - why do you think the mafia are one -shots as well? That's in Oklahoma. I believe hte mafia are able to kill every night in nebraska.

I thought so because there was only a mafia killed this night.

[WeyounsLastClone]

Yeah, I think a lynch could give us possibly a little bit of information, as opposed to a no lynch and just waiting to see what happens during the night.

Unvote. Vote: VanDamien

[WeyounsLastClone]

Mod, could we please have an update on the first page? And the title still says Day 3 Nebraska, but we're at Day 4 Oklahoma, and Night 3 Nebraska, right?

[WeyounsLastClone]

Vote:WeyounsLastClone

Any reasons we should know of?

[WeyounsLastClone]

I'd hate to see this game abandoned, because I love the concept. As for suspects, I'd have to take a better look at previous day, but the lack of input kinda makes it hard. But with two reveales scum, some information should be available.

Mod, could you please update the first page with who is dead in which game? It certainly would help in keeping track of this game. I also found the links to 'start of day 1', etc., you did at the start of the game quite useful, but I understand if you don't feel like it, because we're not really putting an effort in this game.

I do hope it gets picked up, and we got some eager replacements.

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I don't think its likely that the scum will kill tonight shall we just no lynch?

I think we should at least try a lynch, otherwise we're just at a loss on who to use our NK, if we still have one. A lynch, or a try at one, might at least give us information.

With one scum left, you're probably right that scum won't kill to night. Either he already used the shot, or wants to keep it for endgame. Problem is, when reading the two revealed scum, I don't see much links to other players, and with one scum left we won't get that much information anymore.

[WeyounsLastClone]

Okay, to get things back on trail, here’s an overview of what happened.

Mafia has a nightkill in Nebraska, one-shots in Oklahoma

First, the kills and lynched that happened in Oklahoma.

Oklahoma

Day 1.

Page 5, post 115:
Lynch angelmouse, town (Korts, VanDamien, skitzer now Empking, Glotnot, Skruffs, J-Man, kabenon)

Night 1.

Page 8, post 191:
Zombieslayer, town, nightkilled
Glotnot, town, nightkilled

Day 2.

Page 10, post 229:
No lynch.

Night 2.

Page 12, post 262:
No nightkills.

Day 3.

Page 13, post 311:
Lynch Korts, town (kabenon, Empking, killaseven, VanDamien, WeyounsLastClone)

Night 3.

Page 14, post 343:
Skruffs, mafia, nightkilled.
Killa7, town, nightkilled.

Day 4.

Page 15, post 351:
No lynch.

Alive:
VanDamien
WeyounsLastClone
Kabenon007
J-Man
Chaotic_diablo
Empking

Dead:

Angelmouse, town
Zombieslayer, town
Glotnot, town
Korts, town

Skruffs, mafia

Killa seven, town

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Nebraska

Day 1.

Page 8, post 190:
No lynch

Night 1.

Page 10, post 230:
Korts, town, nightkilled
Glotnot, mafia, nightkilled

Day 2.

Page 12, post 261:
No lynch

Night 2.

Page 13, post 314:
Kabenon007, mafia, nightkilled

Day 3.

Page 14, post 342:
No lynch

Night 3.

Page 15, post 351:
Skruffs, town, nightkilled

Alive:
Angelmouse
WeyounsLastClone
Empking
Killa seven
J-Man
Zombieslayer
Chaotic_diablo
VanDamien

Dead:

Korts, town

Glotnot, mafia
Kabenon007, mafia

Skruffs, town

[WeyounsLastClone]

Come on people, we need input!!! Mod, did people respond to prods? Could we get replacements for people who haven't posted for weeks?

Rereading I noticed that the scum do have a nightkill every night in Nebraska. Empking, why o why is a no lynch a good idea in that situation, and why do you think the mafia would choose not to kill? Why would mafia waste their nightkill?

Unvote. Vote Empking.

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Yeah, thanks for modding any way, loved the idea.

Maybe two week windows would work better?