Mini 2084: Pokemon Ruby Mafia - Game Over

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I'm Lass Sally, Vanilla Townie. My role mentions Cut but it's just flavor. So good luck on me eating an NK

[Gamma Emerald]

Er what is your read on me Elements? In fact a full read list would be nice from you rn

[Gamma Emerald]

You can quote your post if you live

[Gamma Emerald]

Why

[Gamma Emerald]

I changed my opinion because your read confidence when you first townread me made no sense and that made you walking it back look way worse.

[Gamma Emerald]

Now, I know that this posts will look awful if ofrhz flips scum, but whatever

Imo it's worse if he flips town but I know I'm town

[Gamma Emerald]

So I decided to look at EP's meta in a game we just played together and it's drawing my attention to a few things from earlier I find possibly relevant, so I'd like to request no hammers for a few hours

[Gamma Emerald]

Are we giving pine too much power here with two possible hammers?

No imo, he's p towny

[Gamma Emerald]

So I decided to look at EP's meta in a game we just played together and it's drawing my attention to a few things from earlier I find possibly relevant, so I'd like to request no hammers for a few hours

Newbie 1936 is my other game on site. It's worth checking out both if you want a read on my game style.

I actually looked at the Pastries game for your meta but I might look at that one too, rn I have some other non-you stuff to poke into

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm trying to learn everyone's name before pushing anyone

Why would you need to do this
Tbh early game a lot of PB's posting feels like excuses to not play in retrospect

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma do us a solid and vote yourself pls

Fuck no. I have things to poke into and I'm not scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't want an offers hammer rn either

[Gamma Emerald]

Who all has agreed in some way with Menalque's case on me/Cinnamon in some way? I get the feeling it's quite a lot

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma I already told you, stop losing your time trying to make me look bad, I already did that for myself and I'm not getting lynched before you. My play on D1 was "I'm disengaged, I'll try to take the best out of it" and there are no more excuses about that

You didnt answer my question though, why did you not want to vote until you got to know names?

[Gamma Emerald]

Those don't look like town reads on ofhrz. They're admittedly cherry-picked quotes, but I don't see how PB can say he's not at least a little bit on the fence about this.

Even if he wants Gamma gone, he's happy with ofrhz tomorrow.

He's actually trying to lobby for people to vote me tomorrow if he hammers offers. Although what I find interesting is him caring about if offers would hate him for hammering him

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma I already told you, stop losing your time trying to make me look bad, I already did that for myself and I'm not getting lynched before you. My play on D1 was "I'm disengaged, I'll try to take the best out of it" and there are no more excuses about that

You didnt answer my question though, why did you not want to vote until you got to know names?

I was active lurking, it's pretty obvious. I was legit not doing anything and I didn't know everyone in the game and I wasn't trying to know them either. I wanted to see what Tim was going to do.

Why wouldn't you try to get to know them? What does Tim doing anything matter? This doesn't seem like how town behaves when disengaged. What games on this account on any other do you recall where you were disengaged?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm getting a very confident vibe from PB. The whole "lynch one now lynch one tomorrow" thing shouts to me as a "if you lynch ofrhz they'll flip town and i will have proven my point and we can get gamma tomorrow" and "if we lynch gamma they'll flip town, i will have proven my point and we can get to finding partners of which ofrhz isn't one"
So more of a hurry up thing over a they will both be lynch by the end of tomorrow ultimatum

>_<?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm getting a very confident vibe from PB. The whole "lynch one now lynch one tomorrow" thing shouts to me as a "if you lynch ofrhz they'll flip town and i will have proven my point and we can get gamma tomorrow" and "if we lynch gamma they'll flip town, i will have proven my point and we can get to finding partners of which ofrhz isn't one"
So more of a hurry up thing over a they will both be lynch by the end of tomorrow ultimatum

>_<?

I'm taking that as a "you what?!"

Depends on whether you made a typo in a certain spot

[Gamma Emerald]

Menalque u r a person 2
Lil Uzi Vert
Creature
ceejayvinoya

I feel like these would be people you'd know. Especially Creature.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also if you answer my question PB I don't have to rely on my own assumptions on how disengaged town would act because I'd understand how you act.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm trying to find a compromise: if you have issue with my assertion of me saying your actions don't make sense for disengaged town, you can provide meta for me to determine what I should expect from YOU as disengaged town.

[Gamma Emerald]

You said "if whe lynch gamma they'll flip town" instead of scum, but it's pretty obvious what your point was...

Well you know what happens when you assume...

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm trying to find a compromise: if you have issue with my assertion of me saying your actions don't make sense for disengaged town, you can provide meta for me to determine what I should expect from YOU as disengaged town.

I don't have issues with your assertion, I think it's your opinion that I don't agree with and not a fact. If you want to make it personal on me, you can go through my meta, it's public.

When I say "I don't know what you're trying to accomplish" is because I don't understand your play. If you're scum, you're not avoiding a lynch by pushing me and you're making me look townier after you flip. If you're town, your not avoiding a lynch either and you haven't done anything at all to avoid your lynch since well, forever, and you're being a bad town player if that's the case.

I asked because I dont want to look over EVERY game you've played for games where you've been disengaged. So either you can work with me by making it easy or you can make it hard and make me less inclined to work with you.

[Gamma Emerald]

But I guess you don't want to take the easy way so I'll be metaing you and you don't get any chance to put up a disclaimer beforehand

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you legit telling me to focus on defense over scumhunting? Honestly that makes you more towny because scum do what you're telling me to do which makes me think you believe your hype.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm saying that I don't get what you're doing 'cause you were almost lynched early this day and you did nothing to avoid it and now it seems you're yet again doing nothing to avoid it. You're not scumhunting, you're trying to make me look bad

I'm not trying to make you look bad, I'm sorting you, get your head on right and stop assuming I have some vendetta against you, because I don't

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you legit telling me to focus on defense over scumhunting? Honestly that makes you more towny because scum do what you're telling me to do which makes me think you believe your hype.

Scumhunting IS defense.

In a way yes but it's in the way of "offense is the best defense".

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, do you want me to pick all your posts about me and prove that you're wrong about what you just said?

That's better than blowing me off. I would like that.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm leaving this thread, I'm fucking tired of this bullshit that Gamma and EP are pulling off on me

I JUST TOLD YOU WHAT I WANTED
FUCK YOU

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm leaving this thread, I'm fucking tired of this bullshit that Gamma and EP are pulling off on me

I JUST TOLD YOU WHAT I WANTED
FUCK YOU

Fuck off Gamma I've been telling you for a while now that this is a fucking lose of time and you keep going for it. If you think I'm scum vote for me and stop this fucking bullshit

I think you

might be scum

, that's why I'm sorting you, if I was convinced you were scum I'd push/vote you.

[Gamma Emerald]

I've been doing a lot of stuff at L-1?

[Gamma Emerald]

At least that's how I consider it since I'm thinking since the first time I hit it

[Gamma Emerald]

And

please

actually work with me this once, for God's sake

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not trying to convince him of anything, I am trying to sort him.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma answer this, but like for real: why would I work with you if I think you're scum?

You keep saying you're trying to sort me but you're actually doing nothing.

Is there doubt in your mind at all? If so you should work with me, if not let me know because I've been feeling you might so if I'm wrong I'll stop trying to work with you.

[Gamma Emerald]

Fine. But I'm going to be taking this treatment of me very personally because you have toyed with my attempts and then repeated stomped them down. I don't feel like we're friends now.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, do you want me to pick all your posts about me and prove that you're wrong about what you just said?

I'm leaving this thread, I'm fucking tired of this bullshit that Gamma and EP are pulling off on me

I JUST TOLD YOU WHAT I WANTED
FUCK YOU

Fuck off Gamma I've been telling you for a while now that this is a fucking lose of time and you keep going for it. If you think I'm scum vote for me and stop this fucking bullshit

This is rude and you need to understand that. If you can't understand how the first post followed by second is stringing me along you're just an asshole by nature and I don't think I can change that.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like you've

actually

hurt my feeling here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Fyi we can hash this out now or in the dead PT or in postgame, but

this is getting hashed out

[Gamma Emerald]

Who all has agreed in some way with Menalque's case on me/Cinnamon in some way? I get the feeling it's quite a lot

Reminder that I asked this to people who actually give a fuck

[Gamma Emerald]

If you think Creature is town, then let's YOLO this bitch.

VOTE: ofrhz

XP
Like why would you do this after fucking railroading on me like that

[Gamma Emerald]

Who all has agreed in some way with Menalque's case on me/Cinnamon in some way? I get the feeling it's quite a lot

Reminder that I asked this to people who actually give a fuck

1552
The post is a bit dated bcz it isn't you v Men anymore, but those were my notes on Mena's case.

Thanks for this, I recalled you were one of them. The reason I asked is because I wanted to then survey all of those people for their previous reads on me because multiple people saw the case and said "fuck it Gamma can be scum" which I feel may be important

[Gamma Emerald]

If offers flips town I'm fucking cracking down on PB tomorrow.

[Gamma Emerald]

Fuck off

You fuck off.

[Gamma Emerald]

"ofrhz and PB looks like partners", "if ofrhz flips scum, PB is scum too", and now this? Fuck off

The "offers and PB look like partners" thing was a possibility for me but this? I'm damn sure on you if offers flips town, you've been all hardcore "I want Gamma dead" but you change your mind on a dime like that? I dont see true towny conviction in that.

[Gamma Emerald]

I still think RedPanda is scum. Even if you think he is town, he probably shouldn't be sheeped because idk every other thing he says just sounds dumb

I guess PB and Gamma are still in my PoE though keep in mind I have only cursory glanced at the last few pages so shrug emoji

Idk everyone else seems kinda towny. I was serious about Chemist being nulltown even townlean lol

I'm gonna call this anti-spew if offers flips scum (despite actually spewing RP's alignment imo)

[Gamma Emerald]

You two are both great people, so unless this is scum theater, just take it easy. It's a pokemon flavored mafia game, try to have fun.

Fun is out the window at this point, I'm strictly business now.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma you should have just accepted your mislynch if you were town, letting ofrhz get lynched over you is extremely bad for town's winrate

I've done this to negative benefit for town in the past, not going to try it again.

[Gamma Emerald]

Even if I was townreading ofrhz, because of the gamestate I was pretty sure one of them would be scum, so if I was wrong on Gamma, then I was wrong on ofrhz. Maybe I'm still wrong on Gamma even if ofrhz is town. I don't know, I'm completely destroyed right now.

Okay what? Was the Creature association that important to your read on me? If so I'm kinda pissed you acted like that with me for a read formed on an association like that.

[Gamma Emerald]

Leave me alone, Gamma. For real. I really don't want to interact with you.

I think you're the one who launched the first verbal assault here so don't tell me not to have feelings when you started it.

[Gamma Emerald]

That was meant to have levity

[Gamma Emerald]

Pink Ball I'm sorry if I did something wrong but I just don't understand why you decided to hate me all of a sudden ;;;;-;;;;

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm sorry I just feel like shit and I keep coming back to our falling out here and it hurts me

[Gamma Emerald]

Pls don't deliberately spam

[Gamma Emerald]

You're gonna have to work hard to explain Pine scum btw

[Gamma Emerald]

You're gonna have to work hard to explain Pine scum btw

He has been on the sidelines all game?

He's been running a summer camp ffs

[Gamma Emerald]

I get the feeling Creature is scum here but don't quote me on that yet

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd like a little more discussion time before we lynch but I don't see a problem with lynching Redpanda

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw I'm probably throwing my old reads out the fucking window now.

[Gamma Emerald]

Umm.

Holding off on a RP vote because he's at L-1 already. Need to give possible investigatives a chance to check in at bare minimum.

He’s confirmed Town

99.9% confirmed town*

Nah there's like no chance DP is scum here imo

[Gamma Emerald]

DP
Elements
me

townblock for now

Why is Elements in your town block

[Gamma Emerald]

Pine didn't you just assert everyone else had posted before DP???

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay so in your wall you hadn't checked that yet, k

[Gamma Emerald]

@Pine I remember that now but bear in mind I had 48 hours where I was focusing on other games

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol k

[Gamma Emerald]

You can sell us on chemist if you want

I'm not sure how to read chemist. He just wagon hops to whatever lynch the townleader wants. He did it to tim day1 and he did it to me day2 and it made me townread him.

How were you the town leader?

[Gamma Emerald]

Just because you led the wagon that became the lynch does NOT make you town leader.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't want to start posting until I'm ready to start seriously looking at the game again

[Gamma Emerald]

Probably we have Pine scum.

Pine + Elements + RedPanda?

or maybe it's just Menalque + Pine + someone somewhat obvious and we're all fucking around.

You're gonna have to work hard to explain Pine scum btw

He has been on the sidelines all game?

Expressing a read =/= a reason for a read.

Thus far, your Pine SR seems based on:
1. His sideline play
2. His DP scumread
3. ?

Pine cut in and derailed the conversation before Creature could respond.

Creature didn't have a convincing answer for his Pine SR.

VOTE: Creature

Do you think this development implicates Pine if Creature flips scum?
Fyi this doesn't mean I'm quite ready to attempt to solve the game yet, that's going to be tomorrow

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually I agree

VOTE: Chemist

At worst we lynch a potential LyLo liability

Why are we lynching LyLo liabilities at this stage of the game?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ellitell?

What does this mean?

Person was posting less often in this game than others which makes them scum
Idk if I agree with it though

[Gamma Emerald]

and as scum he busses heavily

?

I know you don't think of yourself as bussing heavily but you're one of the most bus happy players on site in terms of quantitative patterns

Btw this is BS, I've shown in another game Creature doesn't like to bus, at least not to lynch

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler:

Probably we have Pine scum.

Pine + Elements + RedPanda?

or maybe it's just Menalque + Pine + someone somewhat obvious and we're all fucking around.

You're gonna have to work hard to explain Pine scum btw

He has been on the sidelines all game?

Expressing a read =/= a reason for a read.

Thus far, your Pine SR seems based on:
1. His sideline play
2. His DP scumread
3. ?

Pine cut in and derailed the conversation before Creature could respond.

Creature didn't have a convincing answer for his Pine SR.

VOTE: Creature

Do you think this development implicates Pine if Creature flips scum?

It's possible. DP says Creature likes bussing, so a [Creature, Chemist, Pine] team seems plausible.

Fyi this doesn't mean I'm quite ready to attempt to solve the game yet, that's going to be tomorrow

What are your quick thoughts on Chemist? His wagon is at L-2 rn, so it'd be best to say something now in case he gets hammered.

I don't like that lynch rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw this is BS, I've shown in another game Creature doesn't like to bus, at least not to lynch

Are you sure that wasn't nonsense you threw out while you were scum and then you accidentally started believing yourself?

Nope, was town in that game.

[Gamma Emerald]

I know the data I looked at then was in favor of that conclusion
However that was maybe a year or more ago so simple size has probably increased

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi I think I'm getting close to a solve

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi I think I'm getting close to a solve

Wanna share

Yeah I can share what I've got so far
I think Pine and Creature are town on their own merits

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi I think I'm getting close to a solve

Wanna share

Yeah I can share what I've got so far
I think Pine and Creature are town on their own merits

Is that your entire solve?

No, but the fact I'm able to lock those two as town means I am making good progress
And as for why, Creats has 400+ posts which is impressive for scum!him even knowing he's not as easily readable on that front, and in addition his reads don't seem as easy as scum!Creats would normally have. As for Pine, his posting just reads as by and large unfiltered, in a way that I feel like would be poor play for scum, and he's not a poor scum player by any means.

[Gamma Emerald]

Which is why I also mentioned his reads. And if he had that many posts that's obviously game-derailing spam

[Gamma Emerald]

Reviewing EP I definitely feel like he is looking like town here

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not done with my solve but I'd appreciate questions and responses while I'm out. Gonna be going to bed

[Gamma Emerald]

the solve doesn’t seem great? Like I thought there would be a lot more

A solve to me means "x, y, z are mafia and here's why..." Not "I think these people are town"

A solve to me would be a reasoned explanation with evidence for why every player is the alignment you think they are

Unless it’s already clear with multiple cases on people that don’t need re-explaining on which case I think it should just include the others

What's wrong with PoE solving, and also I just said I was perfectly fine explaining my reads.
EP I'll expand on later but I've read his past games and he feels consistent with them, as well as showing some behaviors I'd expect from newb!town in general. Creature and Pine I have talked on a little, unfortunately I won't be give a specific analysis of which posts I like from Creature but if you really care I'm certain you can find them.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm more confident on Pine being scum.

I just don't understand why he posts some things as scum, they make him look so bad

[Gamma Emerald]

Those last 3 posts by Creature are why he is town btw

[Gamma Emerald]

*blinks* erection power?

[Gamma Emerald]

idk about you tbh

But I know Pine looks bad here

VOTE: Pine

Am I going to actually have to demonstrate to you how Pine's ISO isn't a scum!Pine ISO?

[Gamma Emerald]

Now in general I think his play is too loud for scum!Pine but I'll give a good example here: his behavior around DP today.

1017 - Okay, I'm going to level with you all. When I got to this post, DP's declaration of being inducted into the Hood, I had a mini-epiphany, and thought HOLY SHIT THIS COULD BE FAKE. Practically everyone had posted, no one else had claimed the hood, and the action failing is entirely possible if Tim/RC targeted scum. It'd be free clearance. Hell, I did something similar in DC Universe Mafia back in the day, where I waited to be the last player to post D1 and fakeclaimed Miller in my post 1. It worked flawlessly. So I grabbed a pad and started scribbling, crossing off names. When DP posted, only Chemist, Klick, ofrhz, and DP himself hadn't posted at least once. With at least one of those likely scum, it's not an *insane* risk, but still improbable, especially with the level of detail in the alleged Hood conversation. So never mind, he's probably telling the truth. Thought I had something there for a sec

Like why does he vocalize the concern about the fake loyal neighborize? It's asking to get called out

No. That’s what I was checking for. Several people hadn’t posted, and there’s a good chance the theoretical other neighbor wouldn’t have claimed yet. Scum!DP would have been taking an enormous unnecessary risk.

Which is what I did that caused this to be posted. On top of that scum would have discussed things where Pine would have probably been able to see this has already been discussed, and there's no reason to bring it back up if you know that. In addition:

Non-presence? Really? Mr I've done dick with my IC status?

Why provoke a confirmed town liked this? One of my beliefs is that mafia will attempt to discredit confirmed town, but this isn't discrediting, it's a call out. So like he's just too brazen here to be scum. Fyi this isn't a "scum wouldn't do this" case, it's a "scum!Pine wouldn't do this" case

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I'd like to finish Ep before starting anyone new

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm still doing my Ep read through but I do have a question for Menalque: my predecessor Cinnamon used the term "right now" a lot. Now you claim a lot of experience with Cinnamon, so I want you to take a page out of the scumhunting book of a player called Ellibereth: which alignment does Cinnamon use it more as?

[Gamma Emerald]

And btw that's something you should take seriously because reading through EP gives me a chance to look over some of your stuff and I'm kinda coming to a scumread on you

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, fair

[Gamma Emerald]

About to sign off for the night but before I do I want to let you know I'm done reading through EP and he is solidly town
I know some people asked for explanation so I'll talk about my meta on him and if more is requested I'll post a more comprehensive analysis of him in this game
I reviewed him in two games (Newbie 1936 and the Pastries micro Normal) and I determined he has rather non-convoluted posts which show nuanced and insightful thinking as town

[Gamma Emerald]

Reading back through my wall on Chemist if I ignore the thing about his explanation for his absence, which was a null point anyway, there is only one town thing I noted, and I don't recall much posting from Chemist to change that read, so I'll wait to post intent for real until I get more reads but this is practically intent, so Chemist you may as well claim now

[Gamma Emerald]

How is what Menalque has been doing under the radar

[Gamma Emerald]

In general or what?

[Gamma Emerald]

Like given how EP has been engaging with Menalque, specifically on D2, I don't think that argument holds water

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess that's maybe valid? A lot of people I noted didn't really synthesize Menalque's wall outside of EP

[Gamma Emerald]

Fair

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe
Why don't you make something happen?

[Gamma Emerald]

Y'all fuckers better stop

[Gamma Emerald]

If scum points out something I've noticed should I consider that evidence for or against the person doing the noticed thing scum

[Gamma Emerald]

should I vote EP? why does this game feel zz

Yes

Gamma Emerald is also a good vote. Vote there and I’ll hammer

If pine does this it's a scumclaim

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't.

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh I'f love it you'd explain why your posting is so awful today

[Gamma Emerald]

Further, the existence of a Town Loyal Neighborizer makes a scum disloyal neighborizer like...practically poetry, from a design perspective. You could also easily be GEmerald’s partner, trying a last-ditch effort to save him. Fakeclaiming Masons with your buddy under pressure is a time-honored strategy because it works.

Are you the alleged neighborizer, or is Gamma?

PE: lolno. Paraphrasing a role PM (or neighborhood status) takes a minute, crafting a good fakeclaim takes forever

Noooooope. Even more inclined to think this is a variant on the fake!Mason claim

Lolno
VOTE: Pine
EP made it very clear he wasn't disloyal in the hood. Also I've designed a somewhat similar setup in the past so I think the game design makes sense. Plus if EP is scum town seems greatly underpowered here. Plus there are clear signs of his claim being true if anyone bothers to look

[Gamma Emerald]

did he claim loyal, gamma?

Yes, and he posted something in the hood before I joined that unless he has a massive amount of foresight is proof of it

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I'd like to finish Ep before starting anyone new

idk about you tbh

But I know Pine looks bad here

VOTE: Pine

Am I going to actually have to demonstrate to you how Pine's ISO isn't a scum!Pine ISO?

You notice how GEmerald’s solid Townread on me evaporated as soon as I started suspecting him?

I'm still doing my Ep read through but I do have a question for Menalque: my predecessor Cinnamon used the term "right now" a lot. Now you claim a lot of experience with Cinnamon, so I want you to take a page out of the scumhunting book of a player called Ellibereth: which alignment does Cinnamon use it more as?

And btw that's something you should take seriously because reading through EP gives me a chance to look over some of your stuff and I'm kinda coming to a scumread on you

These are not the posts of someone to whom EP is known to be Town

It's called not wanting to claim it but wanting to have a reason to townread EP
Notice how I was super confident DP was town out of nowhere D3? Me being being neigborized is why

[Gamma Emerald]

If I’m going to give this the time of day we need fullclaims in EP and GE’s next posts.

I'm VT as I claimed D2, EP I'd the loyal neughborizer to remove all doubt

[Gamma Emerald]

unvote

if this is a scum gambit, gamma shouldn't be the first lynch.

If you're seriously thinking of lynching one of us as town lynching EP is the dumb move here
But if your scum carry on scumclaiming

[Gamma Emerald]

Lynching ep is not the wrong move. lynching you first is the wrong move since EP flipping town would confirm you. I need EP night actions to even consider EP loyal neighborizer

Before niehjborizing me EP posted something along the lines if "no team magma allowed" which indicated he was loyal, unless you want to argue that was a planned misdirect which is pretty next level for a newb
So like imo my town flip conftowns EP

[Gamma Emerald]

there were three masons and a Joat against a 2 shot mafia rolecop in pokemon sapphire.

Hm, what were the most shots
Tbh I would be okay with a massclaim now that we're outed

[Gamma Emerald]

JOAT, not most

[Gamma Emerald]

Fuck autocorrect

[Gamma Emerald]

If you all trust me, it's basically gonna be:
DP (cleared by Tim)
EP (even-night loyal neighborizer)
GE (cleared by DP)
me

vs

RP
Pine
Mena

This is where I'm at too

[Gamma Emerald]

Notice how I was super confident DP was town out of nowhere D3? Me being being neigborized is why

can you expand on this

mostly why you wouldn't think I was mech town since start of day 2?

I was like super duper confident D3 though because the being neighborized really flipped a switch there, like obv it was pretty clear already but the point is I was dead set there

[Gamma Emerald]

why would scum be informed that there was a second loyal neighborizor?

pedit: what? loyal neighborizor targeting scum just gets no result, why would you they get a "roleblocked" result?

No result = roleblocked wut

[Gamma Emerald]

Mafia disloyal Neighborizer, final answer. It’s the ONLY way this is balanced

or: mafia neighborizor, and he's lying about having a mod
or: town neighborizor, and he's gambiting on gamma being town (think this is less likely tho)

If he's plain even night neighborizer why does he crumb loyal in the hood itself

[Gamma Emerald]

A mafia roleblocker could easily balance this however.

or with a gated asceticizer this is sort of in the ballpark of Jazz?

It's also vaguely similar to my mini normal I modded

[Gamma Emerald]

Can anyone explain the magma/aqua dynamic given I never played Ruby

Is team magma only in ruby and team aqua only in sapphire or are both in both?

the implication for this mafia game is that all of the group scum is with team magma?

Gamma, can you explain on why you believed that the scum were fully flavor-outed by the point that he made that post in the PT? I kinda wasn't paying attention to micc's flavor that much I guess and didn't realize he had implied the groupscum's mafia flavor tbh

This is kinda wonky: in Ruby and Sapphire iirc it's just Magma/Aqua. In Emerald you have to fight both at the same time. In Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire you only fight one but the leader if the one you do not fight actually helps the leader of the one you do fight realize his plan is a bad idea.
Leave it to the guy with the username inspired by this specific set of Pokémon games to know this sort of stuff.

[Gamma Emerald]

As for the flavor hint it was a crumb of loyal with flavor from the source added

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean why would they wait to claim if this were real? GEmerald’s skepticism of EP post-recruitment and the lack of an earlier claim doesn’t smell right

I never gave any skepticism as I recall, it was more me just pussyfooting around the read to not give too much away

[Gamma Emerald]

Is that where Gamma Emerald comes from?

Yup! I have posted the full story other places but if you're in the mood I'm down for impromptu story time

[Gamma Emerald]

Umm.

Holding off on a RP vote because he's at L-1 already. Need to give possible investigatives a chance to check in at bare minimum.

He’s confirmed Town

99.9% confirmed town*

Nah there's like no chance DP is scum here imo

So this is what Gamma implies was a crumb I guess? But if he's setup speccing me as town based on being hooded by EP then shouldn't he be townreading EP here?

Because I'd like to finish Ep before starting anyone new

I'm still doing my Ep read through but I do have a question for Menalque: my predecessor Cinnamon used the term "right now" a lot. Now you claim a lot of experience with Cinnamon, so I want you to take a page out of the scumhunting book of a player called Ellibereth: which alignment does Cinnamon use it more as?

And btw that's something you should take seriously because reading through EP gives me a chance to look over some of your stuff and I'm kinda coming to a scumread on you

About to sign off for the night but before I do I want to let you know I'm done reading through EP and he is solidly town
I know some people asked for explanation so I'll talk about my meta on him and if more is requested I'll post a more comprehensive analysis of him in this game
I reviewed him in two games (Newbie 1936 and the Pastries micro Normal) and I determined he has rather non-convoluted posts which show nuanced and insightful thinking as town

Gamma can you expand on your reasoning for this series of posts, given this is all post-hooding?

The reason I focused in on EP was because I'd noticed a lot of suspicion on both of us so I wanted to try and sway that away
While on that subject I think Pine not once thinking about how we've interacted with each other since SoD3 and realizing it could be possible "oh hey maybe instead of being scum partners they're loyal hood partners" is really bad and not in the town way I was calling his play bad before

[Gamma Emerald]

On the topic of balancing... you're all forgetting the likelihood of neighborizers leading a lynch against each other. Tim started scumreading me from my crumb. Imagine what he'd do if he were still alive + I claimed neighborizer. The only way I could see town overcoming this is by lucking out and having one person in two separate hoods (which is a possibility - I checked!).

The likelihood of the neighborizers killing each other is a point for the scumteam.

As others have pointed out, the rolecop and a likely roleblocker balances things out quite nicely.

This btw is also something that factored into my design for my mini normal I've been speaking of. It had odd + even cops and I expected some jostling wrt claims there too (which I was right about). I myself feel the current setup is more powerful than mine but there's the possibility of scum roleblocker or other interference + the fact that (according to Creature) setups have gotten more townsided recently

[Gamma Emerald]

I pointed out your interactions post SOD immediately, but spotted more relevant counterexamples rather than what fits your narrative.

Cherry picking to retroactively support your story is easy. Not making errors in the first place is hard.

And yet you refuse to acknowledge any refutation of these so-called errors so far.

[Gamma Emerald]

Your refutation amounts to “nuh-uh”

You expressed doubt and suspicion of EP

after

he was allegedly Town to you

Tell me how any of that was actually suspicion as opposed to me trying avoid revealing the PR?

[Gamma Emerald]

This game was stupidly townsided

[Gamma Emerald]

Mafia needed a roleblocker imo

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd rather have a fun game than a balanced game, unless the balance is really wonky in some way (like nonsense role choices)

[Gamma Emerald]

I was referring to myself

...you're Krazy, aren't you

[Gamma Emerald]

it's actually really unpleasant being the eternal n1 kill because i never get to do fun stuff in mafia outside of scumhunting d1

My homesite tries to advocate against this practice
PEdit: yeah when you said the thing about alting to avoid meta it clicked
I GOT ONE KINDA

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah dealing with Krazy alts is like the moment in Metroid Fusion when you just escaped the hidden Metroid lab and the SA-X dies there but then you find out 10 more exist

[Gamma Emerald]

On what scale

[Gamma Emerald]

One shot on the neighbourizers seems excessive