mini 2093, the search - an interminable period of darkness.

[PenguinPower]

Hi...you may call me, Dave.

[PenguinPower]

Wow I expected this game to make me hate myself but I didn't expect it to make me hate myself this much

Self-deprecation....what exactly are you angling for here?

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Baezu Leaf

Choo-choo!

[PenguinPower]

MafSilver and MafSepia are both trash.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: ARO

[PenguinPower]

NOOOO!!!!

Poor Dave...

[PenguinPower]

Do the best you can.

Dave believes in you

r ability to lose

[PenguinPower]

Town:
DEB

Likely town:
Pine
Pengiiiiiiiii

Likely Scum: Acute Right Obtuse

1000% confscum: Baezu Leaf

Other people: other things

-Chanel

Please call me Dave.

[PenguinPower]

Town:
DEB

Likely town:
Pine
Pengiiiiiiiii

Likely Scum: Acute Right Obtuse

1000% confscum: Baezu Leaf

Other people: other things

-Chanel

Please call me Dave.

Gah! Doug, not Dave. Why does my phone hate Doug so much?

[PenguinPower]

I'm Doug.

[PenguinPower]

I'm Doug.

[PenguinPower]

^prodge

back tomorrow

[PenguinPower]

I feel like we're going to be best friends.

[PenguinPower]

What a bad pagetop.

Doug disapproves.

[PenguinPower]

Actually, I'm pretty happy with my vote atm.

[PenguinPower]

why?

[PenguinPower]

Fair.

[PenguinPower]

Fair.

who was this directed to ?

you......?

[PenguinPower]

I like this votecount...except for the amount of nonvoters.

Nonvoters displease Doug.

[PenguinPower]

Oh wow - you're in this game?

[PenguinPower]

The multiheaded, colorful-posting, mostly chennisden, hydra.

[PenguinPower]

Why are you fine sheeping channel?

Like - I get the other two but...

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Cyrus

[PenguinPower]

...I had a gif to go there...

[PenguinPower]

i hate you

[PenguinPower]

posting it anyway

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

Who wants to hammer?

[PenguinPower]

As the newbie mod that seems mean to do to a newbie.

Not the newbie queue so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[PenguinPower]

i'll hammer!

VOTE: cyrus

tyvm

[PenguinPower]

claim?

[PenguinPower]

i really don't want to wait for the mod to flip you

[PenguinPower]

Well - usually you claim before you get hammered sooooo....

[PenguinPower]

I think he's aware of that...

[PenguinPower]

Well - that was a hammer

[PenguinPower]

gah...

what is happening to me...

[PenguinPower]

I like those odds.

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

https://emojipedia.org/face-with-rolling-eyes/

[PenguinPower]

So, I think it's about story-time for all of you.

[PenguinPower]

Solid pagetop to start that.

[PenguinPower]

Gah!

Don't interrupt story-time.

[PenguinPower]

Once upon a time there were three Bandits. Their names were Cyrus, Penguin, and Pine. Penguin and Pine - being of similar consonant - did not trust their fellow Bandit, Cyrus. After much discussion in their bandit hideout, Penguin and Pine determined Cyrus was scum and vowed to see him held accountable for his dastardly actions. Before being forced to leave his once former abode, Cyrus swore that one of Penguin or Pine would die. Penguin, is all of his valiant self-sacrifice demanded that Cyrus and his new gang shoot him, not the gentle, tree-loving Pine.

It was a rouse, however! An attempt to use reverse psychology so that the evil-doers would shoot Pine instead. Why? Because Penguin had a trick up his sleeve. He was, in fact, no ordinary bandit. But a Bandit Guard who is able to protect whomever he deems worthy from death. And so, Penguin protected Pine from Cyrus' gang's attempt at revenge, and all was peaceful through the night.

p-edit

I hate everyone who interrupted me. Including Pine.

[PenguinPower]

Um - yes, I lied about why Pine and I knew Cyrus was scum and stopping the nightkill.

Pls forgive me.

[PenguinPower]

Not sure, hold on.

[PenguinPower]

Given that I know there is a Priest in this town, your claim of being bulletproof sounds rather up there as well.

- Fireball.

Role names don't necessarily indicate the roles ability

If a Priest has anything else than a "heal" ability in a game of mafia I will eat my shoe and invite your for a ceremony where I do it in front of you.

- Fireball.

Pls include me in the invite.

[PenguinPower]

That sounds super OP in ANYONE’s hands. Parts of it at least are probably false

PE: Because getting a +2 to lynch person lynched is ridiculously hard under any circumstances. You’d claim it to fend off attempts. Straight Loved I could see, +2 AND bulletproof AND all you have to do is survive is lolbalance

Third party at best, but probably flailing scum

surviving isn't as easy as it seems when there appears to be three players with a lyncher win con on me.

That is not my wincon

You’re just scum

Self-vote if you have the guts to do so

Can confirm. I do not have a lyncher wincon on 123456789.

[PenguinPower]

Given that I know there is a Priest in this town, your claim of being bulletproof sounds rather up there as well.

- Fireball.

Role names don't necessarily indicate the roles ability

If a Priest has anything else than a "heal" ability in a game of mafia I will eat my shoe and invite your for a ceremony where I do it in front of you.

- Fireball.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Priest

For ease of - YOU ARE WRONG

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: 123456789

If I haven't I have now.

[PenguinPower]

Backtrack...

[PenguinPower]

I heavily doubt it's the same role, given that it would need an alternate wincondition to go with it, and honestly I can't think of a single one.

- Fireball.

Just pointing out that you said "in a game of mafia" not "this game of mafia" so...I'll PM you where you can send the invite.

[PenguinPower]

that puts me at risk of being lolhammered by Penguin or Pine

I'm on your wagon already.

[PenguinPower]

Again - no lyncher wincon.

[PenguinPower]

Except my role as Guard lines up with my ability. Soooooooo

[PenguinPower]

tbf, EP probably didn't expect this explosion of activity

[PenguinPower]

He wants to self-vote at 7 to take it to 8.

[PenguinPower]

i'd actually prefer it if he did it at 6, i think

proves he's somewhat loved and it's less likely he'll get accidentally hammered

That's not what he claimed though.

[PenguinPower]

if i understand correctly he'd get hammered at 9 votes?

That's what he said.

[PenguinPower]

That's not what he claimed though. He claimed superloved (+2) so that's what I want to verify. Anyone hammer on him would be a scum claim, and the two people he's worried about are already on his wagon.

Makes no sense to fight it this much.

[PenguinPower]

It's not done...wtf.

[PenguinPower]

Did anyone else have a choice of abilities to pick from or was that just me?

I did not.

I was Doug from the beginning.

[PenguinPower]

I do not trust PP and Pine

In what regard? That's a fairly general statement.

[PenguinPower]

I'm not.

[PenguinPower]

Why would I block 123456789?

[PenguinPower]

cyrus: nightkill aimed at you or Pine tnight
me: shoot me!
me: *JKs 123456789*

Makes sense.

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

Sarcasm, Pine.

Sarcasm.

[PenguinPower]

Kinda like I would have by jking Pine...

Except I thought Pine would be more likely based on what I told Cyrus...

Damn my logic.

[PenguinPower]

Pine dies and you didn’t block the kill, then you know Cyrus was telling the truth about Numbers and get Numbers the next day regardless. So what if town Pine dies? Now we have less definitive proof that Cyrus was telling the truth

?

[PenguinPower]

I think gobble is kinda scummy too

^

[PenguinPower]

He was.

[PenguinPower]

Not one of the listed colors

[PenguinPower]

people who've played with him before does PP normally play like this?

Don't be lazy.

[PenguinPower]

Then you don't really care.

[PenguinPower]

What would that tell you?

Like - that's even lazier.

[PenguinPower]

hurdur - no this is my typical scum play Menalque...I was just trying to hide it from everyone but your astute questioning caught me.

[PenguinPower]

Can we just run 123456789 to 8 to confirm and then lynch Menalque because he annoys me?

[PenguinPower]

Welcome to PenguinPower 101: Penguin as a Player

[PenguinPower]

Don't tell me how to play.

[PenguinPower]

like if you weren't SRing my slot already why not just engage with my questions in a normal way

if I think they help me sort then humour me

[PenguinPower]

Can we just run 123456789 to 8 to confirm and then lynch Menalque because he annoys me?

Didn’t we already do that? I think Menalque is town though

No - we took him to 7. I really don't get the resistance to take him to 8, especially since he still has unclaimed elements.

[PenguinPower]

Can we just run 123456789 to 8 to confirm and then lynch Menalque because he annoys me?

Didn’t we already do that? I think Menalque is town though

No - we took him to 7. I really don't get the resistance to take him to 8, especially since he still has unclaimed elements.

I didn't realise I was part of his claim

[PenguinPower]

3 more pls

(i thought it was funny, ep)

[PenguinPower]

You've confused me with the above.

p-edit

@cf

[PenguinPower]

What did you mean by this:

i actually believe that pp is a jk (or at least, had something to do with the fact that nobody died last night)

I can say with certainty that it had nothing to do with it.

- Fireball.

[PenguinPower]

But you were the vig shot, right? Why would you assume there wasn't another shot (mafia) and say

with certainty

that my JK had nothing to do with no deaths last night.

[PenguinPower]

wow..................

[PenguinPower]

You skipped me.

[PenguinPower]

They assumed it and now has to eat a shoe.

[PenguinPower]

Could you bring 123456789 to 7 votes to help with the test while we continue to discuss pls?

p-edit

I mean - we don't know that you had a vig shot since...no deaths and all.

[PenguinPower]

So - we can test 123456789 then lynch CF then.

[PenguinPower]

honestly we might as well massclaim at this point? nearly everything is on the table already

I think that's fine.

[PenguinPower]

I mean - you just tried to blackmail the town and I don't know your alignment so...‾\_(ツ)_/‾

[PenguinPower]

I dunno - if you're town you can achieve half your wincon by helping town win at least. Seems better than saying fuck it and throwing in the towel.

[PenguinPower]

This is not a game where I can just agree to help town because we have a unified goal.

This kind of concerns me too...

[PenguinPower]

I SWEAR TO GOD!

[PenguinPower]

It's not a win. I refuse to play a game where I lose by default. It's insulting. I might as well ask to get modkilled instead.

- Fireball.

Pretty poor attitude to have tbh.

[PenguinPower]

Blame the design of the game, rather than my reaction. If you were in my shoes you probably would have reacted the same, or sulked in your irritation, perhaps.

- Fireball.

Doubt it.

[PenguinPower]

This is bad. Why do we suddenly want to lynch Channel?

I mean - you just tried to blackmail the town and I don't know your alignment so...‾\_(ツ)_/‾

[PenguinPower]

Also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with testing your super-loved claim.

Just want to repeat that since I don't see why it's taking so much effort.

[PenguinPower]

If you aren't going to play, please stop posting.

[PenguinPower]

But it reads more as frustrated town than anything...
Also, the mod did say at the beginning that not many of us will win. That implies some wincons are mutually exclusive.

pedit: If you are gonna test it, make sure to do it this way.

Well....I'm trying to...

[PenguinPower]

Figured out who CF is...

[PenguinPower]

Well...F at least.

[PenguinPower]

Possible - but I'd rather lynch 132456789 first in that case

[PenguinPower]

FINALLY

[PenguinPower]

Know what?

[PenguinPower]

You should read Hamlet.

[PenguinPower]

Glad I was a doublevoter.

I win.

Peace.

[PenguinPower]

Also, 123456789 is scum, so town is welcome.

[PenguinPower]

Oh - I'm not a jk. Just a doublevoter.

[PenguinPower]

Def serious about you being scum.

[PenguinPower]

Pine isn't a jk. Don't know what happened with your shot last night.

[PenguinPower]

He won't - just wanted to see how he would react.

[PenguinPower]

No - I lied about being a secret doublevoter.

Still think 123456789 is scum.

[PenguinPower]

Nah - his buddy said he was, and his reaction to my doublevoter claim makes me think he knew where scum shot.

[PenguinPower]

Don't see how that would hurt anything.

[PenguinPower]

Don't see how that would hurt anything.

@CF

[PenguinPower]

Yeah - that didn't end up with a D1 scum lynch at all.

[PenguinPower]

I mean - if he flips town that look p bad for me and pine so.....

[PenguinPower]

i don't understand why numbers is scummy here

scum?cyrus outed himself to make a deal
scum?cyrus outed 123456789 as scum
scum!cyrus flipped scum

- Result: I trust cyrus more than anyone else

+

superloved makes sense if your wincon is to survive to D4 and one of your scum buddies wincon appears to be to get you lynched

+

123456789's reaction to the doublevoter seems to me like he knew where the kill went

=

best bet for scum in this game

[PenguinPower]

Everyone playing like a 3P survivor but forgetting they need the town to win for their alt win con to even matter. People playing very short sighted imo

Yes, this.

I currently believe that at least 4-5 town could achieve their wincon/town wincon based on what I know.

[PenguinPower]

Well...F at least.

Is it RCEnigma?

No.

[PenguinPower]

Pine isn't a jk. Don't know what happened with your shot last night.

Let me get this straight- both a vig shot AND a mafia kill got blocked last night?!

Supposedly.

[PenguinPower]

Also, 123456789 is scum, so town is welcome.

How is numbers scum again?

Do you still need an answer to this after your catchup?

[PenguinPower]

123456789 is as close to conf!scum as it gets without a cop guilty for me

this has been your hourly penguin reminder

[PenguinPower]

And like unless cyrus was like 'hi numbers is literally my partner'

he did

B) not sure if scum get an effectively double-loved survivor role

superloved makes sense if your wincon is to survive to D4 and one of your scum buddies wincon appears to be to get you lynched

C) i'm not sure scum try to protect their partner the way he objected to the cyrus lynch

uhh....why not?

D) when numbers suggested lynching deb after the lolhammer, gobble (i think) said something to the effect of: and if they flip town you're ok with us lynching you next?
And numbers said: sure!

I dont think scum are that cavalier about agreeing to get lynched upon a townflip that they were shading for lolhammering their partner. Like maybr he says that if he's scum *with* deb and i think that's kinda unlikely

Really? You've never heard that line from scum? .....really?

E) wrt yhe double-voter thing, i thonk he was just more pissed than anything else at potentially losing

disagree

[PenguinPower]

Seems it's been used. What are the conditions?

[PenguinPower]

Page 41 reminder that 123456789 is scum.

[PenguinPower]

Which requires reading through D2 and deciding how fucked I think the balance of the game is

Let me help you with that:

- This game sucks, both balance and mechanics wise. You will hate it. Most of you will not win. I'm not sorry. Be warned.

[PenguinPower]

Wouldn't he be bound by the primary win condition of the mafia having to win the game first and foremost?

No. There is no primary wincon; there are two wincons. He would have to fulfill both.

- Each player has a separate win condition that they MUST fulfill in addition to their factional win condition to win.

Sucks for you, but..

- This game sucks, both balance and mechanics wise. You will hate it. Most of you will not win. I'm not sorry. Be warned.

[PenguinPower]

I dunno. I think ARO's claim makes more sense.

@Penguin --> My point still stands. The mafia have to win in order for him to win. Getting rid of his buddy just for his alt wincon isn't gonna increase his win chances, presuming we are both scum (which we aren't).

He has to get rid of you to win though.

[PenguinPower]

I dunno. I think ARO's claim makes more sense.

@Penguin --> My point still stands. The mafia have to win in order for him to win. Getting rid of his buddy just for his alt wincon isn't gonna increase his win chances, presuming we are both scum (which we aren't).

He has to get rid of you to win though.

To be more clear - he can’t win if you do, and you can’t win if he does.

So, your point doesn’t make sense.

[PenguinPower]

Page 43 reminder that 123456789 is scum.

[PenguinPower]

Really?!?!?

[PenguinPower]

*sigh*

[PenguinPower]

Elements, do you have any doubts about the veracity of Pine and PP as bandits together?

No, not really. My wincon is simply to identify the bandits when I die. There's nothing to suggest there are any fake bandits or reasons the real bandits have any cause to his their identity from me.

do you really think that the game would be so unbalanced that their wincons wouldn't involve them being warned that someone is trying to identify them and to hide their identities? esp considering how hard some peoples' wincons are

I know that EP warned the game would be unbalanced, but this seems a bit extreme

Why would him achieving his wincon have to affect us at all? Him identifying us doesn’t prevent us or help us achieve our win on.

Doesn’t really mess with balance at all...

[PenguinPower]

Holy shit.

Lynch 123456789.

I’ve never had basically outed scum be so difficult to lynch.

Like - I’m not even fulfilling my additional wincon here - I’m just trying to get town a win.

[PenguinPower]

Idk maybe I’m being too paranoid

No. You are just really bad at this.

Or have a red role pm.

Although not mutually exclusive here.

[PenguinPower]

Lynch numbers - If town we lynch Pine
- If scum lynch CF

Lynch Pine - If Sum we lynch PP - presumably game
- If town PP is now immortal IC

That's 2 days so 4 deaths, worst case scenario numbers and pine are both town in which case we have an immortal IC in a 6v2 situation.

Fully on board with the first option. You can swap me with Pine if that eases Menalque‘s “paranoia”

[PenguinPower]

We were informed that 123456789 is the Empress, and e holds the Crown Jewel. Whoever possesses the Crown Jewel can *only* die by lynching. In order to win, a Bandit must fulfill their factional wincon AND possess the Crown Jewel at some point in the game. Complicating the matter is that the only way to take possession of the Crown Jewel is to hammer the lynch of the person who holds it.

the first time we tried to hammer test numbers, weren't you two both early on the wagon?

I think they were...what we’re you planning on doing? Unvoting then revoting?

Didn’t you see Pine do that?

I called him out for it in our neighborhood.

[PenguinPower]

Ugh I hate mechanics

I think I could prob get behind a numbers lynch if getting the Jewel thingy doesn’t lead to a win for pine/PP due to one being unlynchable in the case that they are scum

I need to actually think about the mechanics tho and that’s something I’m not gonna do until layer

[PenguinPower]

Super loved isn't granted by the Crown Jewel...

pls stop.

[PenguinPower]

I believe I did that already with the only change being Pine and PP have to get strung up at some point

One or the other, but we’re okay with that

+1

[PenguinPower]

wtf did you do that?

[PenguinPower]

ooooooh

[PenguinPower]

YES!

[PenguinPower]

I thought he needed 9 to be hammered - day hasn't cycled yet

[PenguinPower]

We need one more and for you to hammer again at 9

[PenguinPower]

I'm already on.

[PenguinPower]

I thought he needed 9 to be hammered - day hasn't cycled yet

Did e say the day needed to cycle?

Need one more

My Super Loved becomes Loved then normal for each day that I reach the normal lynching threshold.

Pretty sure that would mean the next day it takes effect.

[PenguinPower]

I think it's been clearly stated several times.

p-edit

See, I was right.

pp-edit

Because town has to lynch scum to have a chance at fulfilling their wincons.

[PenguinPower]

Sooooo, no hammertime?

If you vote, we can have hammertime. Pine needs to hammertime.

[PenguinPower]

But I'm not scum. You still haven't proven that definitively.

Uhh...this is a game of mafia. I could say I have a cop guilty and not prove it definitely.

You are scum according to your buddy...we've been through all this so I won't rehash.

[PenguinPower]

Even if I am scum, you can just wait to lynch me Day 4 and hunt for my buddy rn.

Or we could get back to back scum lynches and then hunt for your buddy? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[PenguinPower]

But I'm not scum. You still haven't proven that definitively.

Uhh...this is a game of mafia. I could say I have a cop guilty and not prove it definitely.

You are scum according to your buddy...we've been through all this so I won't rehash.

A cop guilty is much more trustworthy than the WIFOM of a supposed scumbuddy.

I mean - it wasn't WIFOM. You'll see post-game.

That said, I wouldn't really expect you to do anything different right now so...this is a kinda pointless discussion.

[PenguinPower]

Well...you're wrong on at least one account.

[PenguinPower]

Right - that's why we're lynching 123456789

p-edit

You're missing a key piece of info that's been shared though.

[PenguinPower]

I mean for me to win, I already have to lynch Pine tomorrow and we're both town so....

[PenguinPower]

Pls wait for Pine.

[PenguinPower]

Pls vote again

[PenguinPower]

I have activated the DEB SIGNAL

Try the ARO signal

[PenguinPower]

here we go

[PenguinPower]

kettle or butter?

[PenguinPower]

Yes.

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

huh...sorry

[PenguinPower]

what happens tomorrow if he flips scum again?

We lynch Pine with me hammering hopefully?

[PenguinPower]

i'm kinda nervous of the universe where he's town and we've wasted 2 dayphases on this

Well - Pine and I both need town to win...soo.....

[PenguinPower]

if he flips town and we lynch pine tomorrow do you expect to hammer him @pp?

Nah...if that's the case we fucked up and don't deserve a win.

[PenguinPower]

Not wrong, but I stand by what I said above.

[PenguinPower]

hmmmm

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: numbers

You get lynched tomorrow asshat.

[PenguinPower]

Double fuck you for using Persona 5.

[PenguinPower]

That time where you feel like giving up your mod status to permaban someone for being an asshat...

[PenguinPower]

I'm not funny when I'm mad

sorry

[PenguinPower]

sorry but i was never getting either wincon and im salty

You can fuck right off.

[PenguinPower]

Eh one of u will still win. Just not both of you!!

I'm quite serious.

You can fuck right off, chennis.

[PenguinPower]

Solid pagetop pp

[PenguinPower]

Pine can have the win. Let him hammer ARO tomorrow.

[PenguinPower]

Or whenever you decide that the most town wincons can be achieved.

[PenguinPower]

nah, i dont think it's valid considering im town.

fuck off

[PenguinPower]

nah, i dont think it's valid considering im town.

fuck off

If you did that as town, that's about 100x worse.

Don't believe it, but it would be.

[PenguinPower]

idk. it's a bastard game where "playing to wincon" doesn't even exist considering cyrus sold out numbers.

Sorry we were able to convince him to do so.

I'm not though.

[PenguinPower]

Fun note, town!Pine is my new favorite player to play with when I know he's town.

[PenguinPower]

i'm sorry if you're like, mad i made it so one of you could win. but i thought it'd be funny

I'm not mad because one of us can't win. I'm mad because a.) you're town who fucked everything up or b.) scum who just gave up

[PenguinPower]

whoops

[PenguinPower]

Congrats to all the townies that won!