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Feeling fat and lazy from dinner. Putting off catchup until first thing in the morning.In post 305, Pine wrote:Hiiii
Going to go make dinner, I'll read up after. It's likely short enough and slow enough to forego my usual I-don't-read replacement meta."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Nah, my man. Your friend doesn't know what they're talking about. I lurk in games I'm not invested in and tryhard in games I care about. While I anticipate getting thoroughly into this, I simply haven't caught up yet.In post 409, Tim Goodman wrote:I've heard from a friend who heard from a friend that Pine lurks as town and tryhards as scum. If that's true that puts him as town here. But maybe he knows that and would lurk as scum? Who knows. CC was towny though. Not sure why I'm posting all this but k.
Come on. I would think my reputation would preclude such a transparent difference between scum and Town metas.
Also, take thirdhand meta with about fifty grains of salt. If you want to know mine, ask me. I don't lie about past games and patterns. What's the point?"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Oh come on. Civ Mafia keeps getting brought up for this and that, often as a contrast between lurking and tryhard. It was the biggest damn game ever, and moved so ridiculously fast because there was a high concentration of shitposters, multiposters, and arguing hydra heads that it was difficult to keep up.In post 450, Creature wrote:
Oh right, Civ mafia was the scum lurking out worked game. Though, mostly because town themselves were pro-scum.In post 365, Gamma Emerald wrote:
It's also not possible to contribute, and lurker scum is consistently a problem, Civ Mafia is a prime example of that. It's very valid to let town eat themselves alive.In post 266, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
You are unable to mislead, misdirect, and manipulate consistently if you’re lurking.In post 259, EspressoPatronum wrote:
You disagree that lurker scum can be dangerous?? Please elaborate.In post 256, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Why can’t this post come from scum? I disagree with his take on lurker scum to be honest.In post 157, Creature wrote:
I think this looks good thoughIn post 107, EspressoPatronum wrote:Interested to hear some thoughts from the following people:
u r a person 2
Lil Uzi Vert
Cinnamon
ClearlyClarity
Lurker scum can be pretty dangerous. These four haven't posted much yet.
Espresso can be town
The entire scumteam lurking is like relying on town to eat themselves.
In particular, I wasn’t *lurking* that game. Throughout most of it I was posting at least a couple of times a day. I just got drowned out and left behind. Civ Mafia is exactly why some of us formed the Geriatric group and ruleset.
Sorry, I still get a little triggered by that game, especially accusations that I lurked to victory. It’s a bad example of everything excess, yet gets cited all the time. Caesar doth protest.
I’ve decided to enact my replacement strategy after all. I’ll read since I replaced in, and that’s it, barring ISOs or going back to review something that becomes relevant.
I’ll stay current from here out."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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This pings my scumdar hard.In post 466, EspressoPatronum wrote:So is DP a no-go today?"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 140, Pink Ball wrote:
Haha now everyone knowsIn post 138, RadiantCowbells wrote:Your approach to the game is a scum one.
The only way I can keep alts straight and not slip is to use different browsers for them and not bookmark across accounts. I use Firefox/Safari for Pine, Chrome for modding or hydra, and Edge for an alt I want to keep secret. I also use a different board style for secret accounts, just like PTs. Silver for Pine and public alts, Sepia for secrets. The icons for all three browsers are right next to each other, and I can stay logged in/remembered on them without having to constantly fumble with accounts. Just never check a secret alt's game on your main and you won't be tempted to kneejerk respond.In post 141, Tim Goodman wrote:
Goddamnit.In post 138, RadiantCowbells wrote:Your approach to the game is a scum one."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I think it's mostly "what is this person's objective?" If EP is Town, then their objective is to lynch their scumreads. If they're scum, then their objective is to blend in. A classic newscum strategy is to just go along with the consensus, keep your hands clean. Making an unpopular stand on something is difficult, risky, and Townish. So the quoted line, taking the temperature of the consensus, being willing to equivocate...it strikes me as newscum. It's hardly an ironclad read, I'd need to do an ISO dive to get a better handle. New players are always the worst to get a read on.In post 492, Creature wrote:
Why?In post 474, Pine wrote:
This pings my scumdar hard.In post 466, EspressoPatronum wrote:So is DP a no-go today?
Still give me the case on URAP2, but depending on the ISO I may follow my own advice and pursue this lead."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Self-assuredness, confidence in one's own record.
The best way to defend yourself is to simply BE Town and do Townish things. EP here is asserting that I'll inevitably come to that conclusion if I just read his ISO. We'll see."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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The non-lazy way to do that is to link to this game, Menalque's only completed one on site. He was practically glow-in-the-dark Town there.In post 582, Tim Goodman wrote:Does meta on you exist?
I'm not asking for you to give any or link games, I'm phone posting. If meta on you exists I'll deal with you very differently here."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Well that’s your mistake I suppose.
In all seriousness, I’m less trustworthy than usual, because I’m a replacement too, and I’m still getting my bearings. It doesn’t help that no one in this game seems interested in my questions."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Done got prodded.
I've been trying to keep up and have largely been failing. Unfortunately, the last ~10 days has been the toughest of the year for me, as we train 70 staff members and get ready for the summer camp season. Now that it's actually started, I'll still be hella busy, but I'll have a more regular schedule and can set aside time every day.
I could just dump my overnight catchup post and call it a day, but what I've seen so far D2 has made me question some of those reads. I will have more time this afternoon to update that catchup and give you the Pine you deserve.
This game has my highest priority, as I haven't been fair to it."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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FINALLY at my computer for the first real time in ~36 hours.
We're in our first week of summer camp with kids (last week was staff only) and my schedule is 18-hours-a-day nuts. Wednesday is my big day, where the theme week climaxes, and the second half of the week usually sees me in the office preparing all of the big stuff for the next week. In the office more = more time to spend here.
As requested, here is my unaltered N1 catchup. Only the vote at the end has been snipped, because I'm still ~18 pages behind. It likely won't change, though."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Okay, stream of consciousness overnight catch-up post...BEGIN.
Sorted through my ISO to find where I really started paying attention, hoping I can pick up that thread. Pithy entrance, empty promise to read back issues, quick check to clear Creature, ah.
Let's start here. This remains valid. I don't know if DP is an alt, newbie, or what, but this pings me regardless. Town has reads or it doesn't. If it's not sure, it says so. Gaining and abandoning reads is normal. SeekingIn post 474, Pine wrote:
This pings my scumdar hard.In post 466, EspressoPatronum wrote:So is DP a no-go today?permissionto pursue their reads is not Town.
502 to 507 come off kind of scummy from TG/RC. RC is way too experienced a player to really believe in a URAP2!flaking = URAP2!scum argument. It's a strawman against an undefended goal. Yeah, I know, it's RC, and loose cannon shite like this is kind of his forte, but I've seen tons of evidence that he takes advantage of his meta as scum to get away with things you wouldn't normally be able to do. Like this. Putting a pin in this, as it's too early to actually get rid of such a strong player without damning evidence.
In contrast, 501 on the same topic is the kind of rational consideration that makes Town!Creature so obvious.
517 - Blatant sheeping/buddying to the loudest leaders.
528 - TG/RC seeing Creature as a threat, then 529 jumping in a completely different direction
530 - Second empty sheeping I've seen from DP in as many pages
539 - THIS one feels like the scummy sheep, though. A naked sheep vote is bad, but an awfully-reasoned excuse to join the wagon is miles worse. Keeping an eye on Chemist
562 - A *third* quickfire example of DP mimicking TG/RC's reads without independent reasoning. I think this rules out a TG/DP scumteam, I don't think they scum theatre this badly
~Page 20 - 23 - ohfrz generally impressing me with Towniness. Asking good questions, isn't intimidated by TG/RC, displays independent reasoning. Unfazed by a flashwagon on him
574 - TG/RC immediately moves to discredit newbie replacement, par for the course.
~Page 23-24 - Menalque entrance strongly reminiscent of the Newbie game we played together where he was painfully obvTown
596 RC (just going to stop calling him Tim) again moves to discredit and silence alternate viewpoint. RC redflip strongly implicates GEmerald/Cinnamon.
~Page 25 - Menalque standing his ground remains Townish
615 - DP going after LUV slot starts the LUV/Firebringer wagon while the goal is undefended for godawful reasons. Solicits ohfrz teamup. At least the fourth baseless votehop in half a dozen pages.
632 - 634 - GEmerald reaction to Menalque's suspicion is bad.
>>>>At this point I am looking at {TG/RC, GEmerald, maybe DP or Chemist} as preliminary scumteam<<<<<
639 is Towny as fuck, Menalque practically takes the words out of my mouth here.
641 - RedPanda wall also Towny af
651 - Oh right Klick is in this. Haven't seen anything useful from them
>>>ISO skim<<<
---->Pushing RC and DP early on, asking solid questions, seems independently reasoned, need to see what 799 is all about when I get there. Conclusion: Nothing scummy apparent, plenty of Townpoints to be had, moving on
Awwww, flattered.In post 684, Firebringer wrote:idk I have too many townreads at this moment I think. I need to prune that list.
I am gonna call scum rn as pinkball, ofrhz, and Pine. Why Pine? Idk. I want to townread pine and that is the only reason I want to say he is town so he must actually be scum.
my logic is flawless.
Everything I can see from Firebringer on page 27-28 looks like pugnacious Town. Cheap to say so after he's flipped, but this makes me want to scrutinize the upcoming wagon.
742 - Fourth blind-sheep from DP following RC, fifth empty vote. DP really developing into my prime suspect. RC could just be being RC, GEmerald not suspicious if RC!Town, Chemist too low content to case, but DP is scumming the hell out of this game right now.
746 - Is this a strawman? I'm not sure if that's the term for what's going on here, but DP is definitely making up a bullshit case. Probably not a DP/GEmerald team. Possible scumteams kind of dividing. {RC, GEmerald, (Chemist/EP)} vs {DP, (Chemist), (EP)}. So far evidence against DP/RC and DP/GEmerald
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SOLID TOWNLIST
Creature
Klick
ofrhz
PROBABLY TOWN
RedPanda
Menalque
Pink Ball
POSSIBLE SCUMTEAM 1
RC/Tim
GEmerald
POSSIBLE SCUMTEAM 2
Detective Pikachu
POSSIBLY SCUM ON EITHER TEAM
Chemist
Espresso Patronum
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Pink Ball
799 - Crap, Klick's "100% Town!" on Pink Ball was in jest. Back to zero with that read. as hoping that would help. Need to ISO now.
>>>ISO skim<<<
---->Mostly shitposting, interspersed with real reads, like 614. Upcoming 807 looks organic and spontaneous/genuine. I don't agree with many of his conclusions, but process seems fine. Can be Town until he does something to dissuade me. Looking ahead, posts until EOD follow similar pattern of shitposting/reading. Editing above readslist to properly reflext PB.
818 + 820 - First solidly Townish thing I've seen from GEmerald
822 + 824 + FB on Page 34 - Ughhhh I probably would have scumread Firebringer for this too. Hard to say after the fact, but he'd at least have ruined my incipient Townread on him.
825 -Fifthblatant sheep of RC by DP, and sixth low-content votehop in 14 pages
841 - Weirdly getting Town!RC vibes from this interaction. Might just be because I'm so intent on DP and have ruled out DP/RC team.
851 - First independent thought I've seen from EP, also first time I've seen him make any effort to stand up for himself
863 - 865 - Several more good EP posts. I don't see the positive value of lining up lynches when you know the first domino is going to flip green. EP might be Town after all, which blasts a hole in my suspected DP-anchored scumteam. Will revisit when I have time (read: prob never)
870 - First Menalque post that didn't bleed Town as far as I can recall. Also seems to be laying low now that the pressure's off. Big entrance, fights off wagon, disappears. HMMMMMMMM
901 - Reeeeeally don't like this L-2 by GEmerald. Looks a lot like scum casually increasing the pressure/pushing to EOD.
>>>Lots of shitposting going on here
926 - Really? A self L-1? In what world does that work to ratchet down pressure?
936 - Ummm a fucking SIXTH DP sheep of RC. Yeah, I know they were both already voting Firebringer, but at this point the only Town explanation for it is that he's got some kind of repressive post restriction that mandates he chain his vote to RC and not talk about it
940 - I don't blame this AT ALL after the last couple of pages
941 - No shit
949 - Yeah, Klick is Town. Scum!Klick takes the ball and runs with it, they don't get introspective.
986 - And that's flip.
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I think the above readslist can stand. It's got some complications, like some late-day doubts on the Menalque and EP reads, but it's a solid start.
DP is my chief suspect going into D2, with that flip determining whether I go after RC/GEmerald or dive into the Chemist, EP, Menalque morass.
<<<Vote on DP removed until I can finish catch-up>>>"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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At the time? It was inspired by my scum!RC read.
Menalque (whom I TR) comes in, points a finger at you. RC attacks the shit out of Menalque. On that evidence, little things supported the read.
It is, obviously, obsolete. This is one of the big reasons I didn't want to post the overnight catchup unaltered."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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818 and 820 were counter-evidence for the read, but your vote on Firebringer still looks scummy as hell. With an RC greenflip, it puts you into a kind of neutral limbo that needs to be sorted.
The fact that you seem to not be interested in any of the nuanced things I had to say, including all of the above, and jumped only to "what's he think about me" does you no favors."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I'm not there yet.In post 1447, Gamma Emerald wrote:Anyway, thoughts on my ideas I've proposed recently?
I've had approximately zero time since the first campers of the season arrived ~54 hours ago.
(For those interested, I am the Program Director. I answer directly to the overall Camp Director, and my job primarily deals with the design, logistics, and execution of all major activities. I also oversee all of the program staff, like lifeguards, boating, archery, arts and crafts, nature, and our ropes course. That's on top of general responsibilities as one of the senior leadership staffers who might get asked to cover nearly any area or group of kids at a moment's notice, and the fact that I'm the on-duty evening EMT. The second half of the week is better. Robin Hood will have defeated the Sheriff of Nottingham after the tournament tomorrow, the problem with our Nature director's lesson plan that ate up most of my Tuesday has been resolved, and it's mostly resolution-phase story elements and office work prepping next week for me now.)
So it's 12:20 AM and I'm in the dining hall wifi. I have a big day tomorrow, until after the big campwide activity in the early afternoon. The downhill side of my week is pretty relaxed, my job is mostly frontloaded. I'm going to bed now, I expect tomorrow I can get current."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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"Big Cool Post" number ONE. It only covered pages 19-40. I've got 19 more to go. My primary reason for suspecting GEmerald has evaporated, so I'll be re-evaluating him. Come this evening I may either defend him or hammer him myself."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I'd greatly prefer we not lynch Gamma before I finish catching up this evening. At present, I don't think I'd be on board with it over better options, but we'll see.
The DP loyal recruitment changes things, and I'll need to take a long look at that too."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Seriously, go read Menalque’s Newbie game. He died N1 with the entire player base TRing him. I replaced into a screwed scumslot, and thought going after him was suicidal.
His behavior here is almost identical."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Here’s his ISO from Newbie 1934: viewtopic.php?t=79718&f=50&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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...fair. Didn’t think you were coming from that direction. *smoke bomb*In post 1487, Klick wrote:I'm curious about Gamma's reasoning and thought process though."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 1551, RedPanda wrote:what is that possiible in games with night?
I’m not sure I buy this. Daytalk has been common for ages, and fake “there’s daytalk?” Townslips are practically a tradition.In post 1588, RedPanda wrote:In post 1580, Menalque wrote:I don’t love that RP has changed his vote off and gone to “reread the game” based on what I thought was some not particularly deep interaction with klick, where klick wasn’t even particularly eating his game solve ability. I still think he’s p town but if gamma flips scum then that pings me.
I have to reread. I've been playing the game not knowing about daytalk.
This shakes my TR of Red Panda, I’ll need to re-evaluate him as I finish my D2 catchup this morning"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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That's...fair. Sorry. I forgot for a second who you were. You are indeed better than that.In post 1594, RedPanda wrote:I don't think I need to fake a townslip to be townread and also fwiw I think my gameplay is better than relying on shit like that.
That said, I also don't think a double-fake is beyond your experience and ability, even if it is rather more far-fetched. I've done that kind of thing myself, where you do something blatant, then use experience as a shield, so.......it's NAI, I suppose. I'll still be reviewing my earlier Townread, but I won't hold this against you. Fair?
Also, fwiw, I'm sitting down right now to go through D2. I've got about an hour uncontested, that should get me through ~half of D2."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Explain this? They're both on my list.In post 1595, RedPanda wrote:Cinnamon and Ep are not scum/scum."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Playing the game is not rude. C'mon.In post 1624, Pink Ball wrote:Wow, rude"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Getting ready for the big Thursday night closing campfire. The Sheriff of Nottingham is going to show up and demand a firelighting tax...of one shilling. "Oh hey that isn't so unreasonable..." "I wasn't finished! One shilling...from every camper bwahahahaha!" He'll then up it to two when we say we aren't paying, then douse the torch in a conveniently-placed fire bucket. He'll be booed off stage, and I'll get the campers chanting "Robin Hood, Robin Hood" etc. Robin Hood won't show (the staff member had to go home unexpectedly tonight) but I've arranged for a "magic" fire to light, seemingly without assistance. Just how this works is a closely-guarded secretIn post 1627, Pink Ball wrote:Implying that I'm scum is rude. C'mon.
Talking about playing, what are you doing right now, Pine?
In other words, I'm current from ~page 60, but still have a good bit of D2 to read. Our Waterfront Director had an interview today, and the Assistant Camp Director went home sick, so I didn't get the free time I was expecting. I'll sit down at my laptop in an hour or two, three at most."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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My ofhrz TR is pretty strong.In post 1633, Klick wrote:
On the contrary, I'm surprised by how little attention ofhrz has received all day up until this point. Even now there's an alarming amount of fighting this wagon with hardly anyone expressing a townread on him.In post 1622, Menalque wrote:I really don’t like how hard the push has been to divert away from gamma towards ofhrz/chemist (clearly increasingly ofhrz)"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Well, part of that is that I pretty frequently misspell his damn name. The other part is that in my stream of consciousness in 1422 I made heavy use of theIn post 1637, EspressoPatronum wrote:
Can you spell out how you got such a strong TR on ofrhz? I tried looking for the answer, but a Ctrl+F of ofrhz in your ISO yields two results.In post 1635, Pine wrote:
My ofhrz TR is pretty strong.In post 1633, Klick wrote:
On the contrary, I'm surprised by how little attention ofhrz has received all day up until this point. Even now there's an alarming amount of fighting this wagon with hardly anyone expressing a townread on him.In post 1622, Menalque wrote:I really don’t like how hard the push has been to divert away from gamma towards ofhrz/chemist (clearly increasingly ofhrz)posttag to make it easier to read than if I'd used thequotetag. I tried to remember to use the person's name in my comment, but it didn't always happen, and I definitely misspelled it at least once (at a glance). Given that that post is where I developed and explained my ofrhz TR...*shrug*
Pages 20-23 in particular put Town!ofhrz on display. To adapt what I said in 1422, he was asking good questions, wasn't intimidated by Tim/RC pushing him, and displayed independent reasoning. He was unfazed by a flashwagon on him, and stayed focused on his own reads. Any one of those things looks Townish to me, and together they form a strong read.
Awww fuck it. I said like six hours I'd sit down with this in three, and it didn't happen. I'm not holding up the game any more. Come hell or high water, I'm not sleeping until I'm caught up."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Menalque et al, can you label your lists more cogently? I have no idea how to read this.
Most people simple do a rank-ordered scummiest to towniest or the inverse, or else put people into labeled categories."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Okay, but without labels and an odd gap in the middle, that's hard to tell. I've been reading Menalque, so I could intuit that GEmerald was the bottom, but lacking that it's confusing.In post 1164, Creature wrote:
Oh right you're not 2018 generation.In post 1163, Klick wrote:Activity tell? I'm unfamiliar.
Up to page 52. Probably done within half an hour."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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This post concerns me more than pretty much any other Gamma has posted.In post 1899, Gamma Emerald wrote:You can quote your post if you live"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I'm not sure I back either lynch right now.In post 1938, Elements wrote:Are we giving pine too much power here with two possible hammers?
At 9:16 I'm sitting down at my laptop, probably for the rest of the night. There's a massive thunderstorm predicted for tomorrow, so the huge campwide game I had planned just went in the bin. We're scaling back to an indoor skits-and-songs thing with appearances by costumed characters to be staged at the end. I still need to finish the Bowser costume, but Mario, Luigi, and Peach are ready to go.
The upshot is that, while I have to go make a new write-up so that our staff know the plan, I have a bunch of unexpected time tonight.
I'll make my decision on whether to back one of those two options or push through a flashwagon within an hour or two."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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These quotes are all internally consistent. Your push on PB doesn't make any sense.In post 1954, EspressoPatronum wrote:Meanwhile, over in PB's iso....
In post 1913, Pink Ball wrote:Let's lynch Gamma boys. Even if we're wrong, we lynch ofrhz tomorrow. This VC seems to be that we have a scum wagon and a counterwagon, so let's do itIn post 1920, Pink Ball wrote:Can I get a promise from all the ofrhz voters to vote Gamma tomorrow if ofrhz flips town?
ofrhz will you hate me if I hammer you?In post 1921, Pink Ball wrote:Now, I know that this posts will look awful if ofrhz flips scum, but whateverIn post 1924, Pink Ball wrote:I won't lynch ofrhz yet 'cause maybe Pine and Elements join us and Gamma gets lynched
Further, when you're as Town as PB is, you can afford to play a bit looser."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Don't cherry pick as Town, and don't admit to doing it as scum unless called on it (and then only in a shame-faced kind of way). Cherry-picking means intentionally ignoring contrary evidence, which is distinctly not Town.In post 1955, EspressoPatronum wrote:Those don't look like town reads on ofhrz. They're admittedly cherry-picked quotes, but I don't see how PB can say he's not at least a little bit on the fence about this.
Even if he wants Gamma gone, he's happy with ofrhz tomorrow."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Scumhunting IS defense.In post 1986, Gamma Emerald wrote:Are you legit telling me to focus on defense over scumhunting? Honestly that makes you more towny because scum do what you're telling me to do which makes me think you believe your hype."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Creature wrote:This is an agonizing way to play mafia.
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Arright. Starting a new stream-of-consciousness read-through.
First, ofc, is re-evaluating old reads in light of the flip.
SOLID TOWNLIST
Creature
Klick
ofrhz
PROBABLY TOWN
RedPanda?
Menalque
Pink Ball
POSSIBLE SCUMTEAM 1
RC/Tim
GEmerald?
POSSIBLE SCUMTEAM 2
Detective Pikachu
POSSIBLY SCUM ON EITHER TEAM
Chemist
Espresso Patronum
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Tim flipping Town has me going 'meh'. RC at his best is frustrating to read. This is great for his scumgame, where he can be a loose cannon and just blame his meta, but it's awful for fellow Townies, who are hopeless to read his erratic behavior and have to step lightly around him. He's good, but it's often his way or the highway. I haven'ttechnicallygotten there yet, but I know DP is about to get cleared too, so I have to cross him off. This doesn't vindicate GEmerald, but it does remove the most damning piece of evidence against him. That leaves me with Chemist and Espresso Patronum, the latter of whom I was having doubts about. While it's nice to consolidate, it does deflate my working theories a bit. Recent events make me want to take another look at GEmerald, RP, and ofhrz, too.
Okay, getting started on Page 40.
+I don't like RP's daystart. His push on Menalque seems I don't know, empty? I haven't seen any really good reasons for it, and none of them original to RP iirc.
1017 - Okay, I'm going to level with you all. When I got to this post, DP's declaration of being inducted into the Hood, I had a mini-epiphany, and thought HOLY SHIT THIS COULD BE FAKE. Practically everyone had posted, no one else had claimed the hood, and the action failing is entirely possible if Tim/RC targeted scum. It'd be free clearance. Hell, I did something similar in DC Universe Mafia back in the day, where I waited to be the last player to post D1 and fakeclaimed Miller in my post 1. It worked flawlessly. So I grabbed a pad and started scribbling, crossing off names. When DP posted, only Chemist, Klick, ofrhz, and DP himself hadn't posted at least once. With at least one of those likely scum, it's not an *insane* risk, but still improbable, especially with the level of detail in the alleged Hood conversation. So never mind, he's probably telling the truth. Thought I had something there for a sec
1026 - Chemist brings up VCA of the lynchwagon. Three confirmed Townies on it, incl Firebringer himself. Chemist bringing this up makes me immediately suspicious - it's SUPER early to try VCA, and that makes me think it might make the incipient VCA misleading/disingenuous. However, I've got three suspects on it (EP, GEmerald, RP) so I'll keep it in mind.
1032 - 1040 - Creature continues to obvtown, saying a lot of what I just said. 1033 is particularly insightful, I probably shouldn't give RP a pass on the hammer.
1042 - Go home, Klick, you're drunk. Creature just analyzed the VCA like a fucking champ.
1047 + 1047 - GEmerald downplaying the VCA. What are you afraid of?
1059 - 1064 - Ewwww. RedPanda trying to mayor the Townbloc is really slimy here.
1066 + 1068 - Menalque's walls here make me think of a conspiracy theorist and their little shrine of evidence about a topic no one else cares that deeply about. As far as I'm considered, that's hyperTownie. I don't think it's nearly as compelling as Menalque does, but HE finds it compelling, and that's sufficient to reaffirm my TR on Menalque.
1080 - Oh fuck yeah, Chemist is scum. Not even really trying to hide it, is he? Just openwolfing onto the GEmerald wagon. Can't dismiss this as a poorly-executed bus, though.
+Pages 44-46 start with Creature spouting some very nice wisdom about how off-topic discussion ruins games and Town of Salem sucks, then engaging in a 2.5-page rant off-topic. Bad form, my man. Made for easy 2AM reading before it veered back on topic though.
FUCKING PREACH. Activity tells are absolute trash.In post 1165, Creature wrote:Mafia has turned into a activity oligarchy since then.
1188 - PB nails why Chemist is scum. Chemist is trying to look like he's trying, and failing at it.
>>>>Bottom of page 50 pause. Yeah, not many posts called out lately, but a lot if it is because ~60% of the 40s was Creature talking to himself. The back half of the 40s was like 80%. RedPanda is looking worse, Chemist is openwolfing. I'm a bit annoyed that Creature was on Chemist and seems to have talked himself out of it, but it is what it is. Current scumteam looks like {Chemist, two of RP/GE/EP}. Come to think of it, EP's been super quiet.<<<<<
1258 - Nice, I didn't catch that.
1260 - I don't buy this response from RP."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Apologies for multipost. Packing for an annual family trip for the next ~36 hours to the St. Lawrence River. I get 4G service there most of the time, but as the Canadian border is RIGHT THERE it sometimes thinks I'm roaming and wants to charge me extra.
Consider this intent to hammer, pending check-ins. I want a claim from Red Panda.
PE: Yes, Creature. I actually reference it in the post you didn't apparently read."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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