Mini 610: Ace Attorney Mafia - Game Over!!

[Natirasha]

Boy, this is gonna be fun. And a bit boring.

[Natirasha]

I'm confused at Joubert's vote.

[Natirasha]

I'm confused at Joubert's vote.

Wow, Natrasha's first post isnt antitown.

I don't have a vote to vote myself with.

[Natirasha]

I'm confused at Joubert's vote.

Wow, Natrasha's first post isnt antitown.

I don't have a vote to vote myself with.

That explains it.
Ok, we have to get this thing moving.
Could you all answer these questions? (Conversation FTW)
1. What do you think of this setup?
2. Is this game tough for town?
3. Is Mirth town or scum? Yes, no, I dont know?

1. I love it. As long as I'm not the defendant.
2. I have a feeling we are the underdogs.
3. No, he's Shelly de Killer, serial killer.

So, I know I am going to get A LOT of slack for this, but I suggest that babygirl full claim.

Before anyone attacks me, let me remind you that we need ALL SEVEN Jurists to agree unanimously for her to be aquited. And, since it's day one, we have so little go on. Additionally, she will probably have to claim at some point during the day anyways. So I just say we skip the fluff and get straight to the meat.

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Non-Jurors:

**Babygirl86: (0/7)
Joubert: (0/7)
Matt_S: (0/7)
Natirasha: (0/7)
populartajo: (0/7)

Jurors

ChiefSkye4: (0/6, 0/1)
Cream147: (0/6, 0/1)
Gorrad: (0/6, 0/1)
malthusis: (0/6, 0/1)
Mirth: (0/6, 1/1) Joubert
SlySly: (0/6, 0/1)
theopor_COD: (1/6, 0/1) {Mirth}

Not Voting: (10/12) babygirl86, ChiefSkye4, Cream147, Gorrad, Matt_S, malthusis, Natirasha, populartajo, SlySly, theopor_COD

Deadline for D1: Saturday June 29, 6:15PM GMT+10
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Just some explanatory notes for the first vote-count. I've split the players into Jurors and Non-Jurors. The 0/7 refers to the number of Jurors needed to lynch a non-juror. The "0/6, 0/1" means "Zero out of six Jurors, Zero out of one ratifying vote (be it a non-Juror, or a self-voting Juror)".

Mirth's name is in squiggly brackets because she is a Juror, unlike Joubert - that how I will differentiate Jurors and non-Jurors (by keeping all Juror names within a set of squiggly brackets like {X, Y, Z}. Any comments or recommendations to improve the votecount are welcome.

[Natirasha]

I never once claimed townie in my post. In fact, I assure you, I am not a vanilla townie. In fact, I would be surprised if there were any in this game at all.

[Natirasha]

Seriously, Theo?

However, something is suspicious about that vote. Post Restriction perhaps? Until he answers, I will not be on this bandwagon.

Anyways, do you think I should full-claim?

[Natirasha]

MOD: Can you prod anyone who has not yet posted in-thread?

Anyways, onto my claim.

I am Maya Fey, town-aligned. Every night, I may "channel" a dead player. I will then see that player's role PM. I asked, and scum/mason partners will not be revealed.

[Natirasha]

No, I see their entire role PM. Not just role name.

[Natirasha]

Um well hello, things move far faster than before. Tell you the truth, I hadn't read page one, two or three . . just voted to say I'm here and what better way than voting the accused. Guilty until innocent I say

Anyways twas a joke, but interesting to see how it got jumped on. I ought to read and why has someone claimed on page four?

unvote

- Until I've read properly, which won't be until tomorrow.

...really? I'm tempted to vote you for your stupidity.

[Natirasha]

Um well hello, things move far faster than before. Tell you the truth, I hadn't read page one, two or three . . just voted to say I'm here and what better way than voting the accused. Guilty until innocent I say

Anyways twas a joke, but interesting to see how it got jumped on. I ought to read and why has someone claimed on page four?

unvote

- Until I've read properly, which won't be until tomorrow.

...really? I'm tempted to vote you for your stupidity.

Like why?

The day is what three weeks long.

No one is going to get speed lynched ever, we have plenty of time. I like placing random votes that get people talking, this one certainly has . . rather that than post some crap which is totally irrelevant or perhaps role-claim eh.

Infact Natirisha please tell me why you actually claimed?

I soft-claimed in response to a misunderstanding to Mirth. Then(As was pointed out) I am now a mafia target. As such, I full-claimed to get the mafia off my back. Without getting too far into WIFOM, my role cannot find them and actually might GIVE the mafia extra information under certain circumstances, so I don't think they'll attack me.

[Natirasha]

I don't entirely buy this. You had other options on how to respond to me that did not involve claiming.

I misread your statement. Although, I probably would have probably claimed by the end of the day anyways, so...

Or he could be mafia claiming a useless role to excuse the screw up he made in responding to me so that it doesnt look suspicious when he doesn't get nightkilled. Just a thought. Then again if his role is useful (that is if we have no reveal on death), mafia might just off him anyway, because they dont really need to know anything other than that they must kill everyone who isnt them.

I suspect our reveals will be <character>, _____-aligned <adjective>.

[Natirasha]

Mostly, I like claiming.

[Natirasha]

Why not?

[Natirasha]

Can we stop with all this setup discussion?

I find something strange about the Malthusis-Mirth conversation there. This nightkill discussion seems very...put on, to say the least. Out of the two, Mirth is more annoying, so I'm currently predisposed to vote her. I don't like her reasoning for voting babygirl(i.e. None), and the fact she is attacking everything that moves.

Vote: Babygirl

.

[Natirasha]

EBWOP:

Unvote, vote: Mirth

[Natirasha]

Mirth: I was talking about babygirl in that last sentence, and that's why I messed up there.

If you read, I also don't like your conversation with Malthusis there. And what is your reasoning for voting babygirl again?

I forgot to mention an

FoS: Malthusis.

[Natirasha]

Mirth: I was talking about babygirl in that last sentence, and that's why I messed up there.

If you read, I also don't like your conversation with Malthusis there. And what is your reasoning for voting babygirl again?

I forgot to mention an

FoS: Malthusis.

You're free not to like it. I don't like how he assumes that there will be no nightkills.

I voted her because she's blatantly ignoring my questions.

Ok. Strike the "voting babygirl" reason, then. Still, that whole discussion seems put-on. In fact, I daresay, one of you is scum. I'll test you first.

[Natirasha]

People, I'd like you all to re-read the Mirth-Mal conversation again. Doesn't it just sound of being put-on?

[Natirasha]

People, I'd like you all to re-read the Mirth-Mal conversation again. Doesn't it just sound of being put-on?

Sorry, I don't see it that way at all.

Maybe I'm misreading it then..?

[Natirasha]

No, I believe that we should take good, hard look at Malthy AFTER a Mirth lynch. I'm near-positive one of those two are scum, so I chose one of them to zero-in on. Mirth is more annoying, so I chose him.

[Natirasha]

This whole "put on" thing seems kind of put on. Nobody saw it that way until Natirasha brought it up. It seems to be nothing but a distraction.

...So, your saying I have some subconcious control over the people? Cool. So, you are indirectly implying I am distracting the town? Ok.

[Natirasha]

This whole "put on" thing seems kind of put on. Nobody saw it that way until Natirasha brought it up. It seems to be nothing but a distraction.

Well...Natirasha saw it before he brought it up. If you read the conversation and can't see how it feels a bit put on, then...well...I don't know.

Except that it wasn't. I don't like how this implicitly seems to be saying that just because y'all think you see it it must be there. Maybe it was maybe it wasn't. You can't be sure.

Or, maybe, we see it, and you don't. Different people read things different ways. Plus, on this matter, your opinion doesn't count--you are one of the people in the conversation.

[Natirasha]

This whole "put on" thing seems kind of put on. Nobody saw it that way until Natirasha brought it up. It seems to be nothing but a distraction.

Well...Natirasha saw it before he brought it up. If you read the conversation and can't see how it feels a bit put on, then...well...I don't know.

I unvoted Theo because he hasn't really seemed scummy to me since that 1 post early on.

And why did you vote him?
I mean, what did he do for you deciding to unvote him?

Probably the bandwagon on Theo when he voted for the defendant.

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Non-Jurors:

**Babygirl86: (1/7) {Mirth}
Joubert: (0/7)
Matt_S: (0/7)
Natirasha: (0/7)
populartajo: (0/7)

Jurors

ChiefSkye4: (0/6, 0/1)
Cream147: (0/6, 0/1)
Gorrad: (0/6, 0/1)
malthusis: (0/6, 0/1)
Mirth: (2/6, 3/1) {Gorrad, malthusis}, Joubert, Natirasha, babygirl86
SlySly: (0/6, 0/1)
theopor_COD: (0/6, 1/1) populartajo

Not Voting: (5/12) ChiefSkye4, Matt_S, SlySly, theopor_COD, Cream147

Deadline for D1: Saturday June 29, 6:15PM GMT+10
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[Natirasha]

Noted that you're blatantly ignoring even the possibility that my explanation is honest. Also noted how hard you're pushing.

I never said there wasn't the possibility, I just made a call and I think it's more likely the conversation is put-on.

Also Tajo has a point. If it was the wagon on Theo (not a big one at all), why did Cream unvote now as opposed to before when there were more votes on Theo. Why are you defending Cream?

What is it with you and Tajo? You guys have been buddying up all day, backing each other whenever possible.

Anyways, I am not defending Cream. I actually wouldn't, for reasons concerning an ongoing game, I'm simply stating the obvius answer, in my eyes.

[Natirasha]

No, I just re-read the last few pages. You guys have indirectly teamed up against me, bouncing off each others arguments towards everything.

[Natirasha]

Also, if you have any decent case against someone then we should push it because for now babygirl is not a decent lycnh.

The fact that you're pushing this alternative using only Cream's unvote, while ignoring babygirl's unvote, is what's poor. What makes Cream a decent lynch and not babygirl?

Im assuming volkan didnt put a scum in the first trial.

That nails it. Wouldn't it be a tad overpowered if the town would be down a townie day one, no matter what happens?

unvote, vote: Populartajo

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[Natirasha]

Oh, trying to slip something past me, huh?

I don't like Nat's claim or the wishy-washy explanations of the claim.

I'm fine with that.

Sounds to me that Nat has very little patience for this game. I find it questionable that Nat even enjoys playing this game.

Listen here, I love Phoenix Wright, it's one of my favorite series. Ergo, i actually have much more patience than i normally do. Don't even imply i have little patience for this game.

I just know that she's going to end up claiming, anyways. I was simply trying to get straight to the meat.

[Natirasha]

I'm back.

[Natirasha]

The last few pages have been very tl;dr for me, and I only skimmed, sorry.

I am surprised BM is defending me--he has been in games with me before and should know how I act.

I find BG's very OMGUS replacement to be scummy. However, Rishi has a very pro-town feel to me.

Popular has yet to ease my fears he's scum.

Cream has the best meta on me, fyi.

Joubert, metas are fairly important when dealing with some players. Me and BM, for example.

[Natirasha]

How exactly do you justify writing stuff off as tl;dr?

Generally, if I get bored reading it. I just read the parts that concern me.

tl;dr=too long; didn't read.

Malthusis: I'm still stand by the fact that either you, or Mirth is scum due to that conversation. Following that, I'm looking at BM and SlySly.

[Natirasha]

EBWOP: SlySly should be Populartajo. I should really go to sleep.

[Natirasha]

Care to participate with something more than sarcasm?

Your reactions to them are enough...

The thing is, in this case, the reaction is useless. Seriously, if your going to post, post content.

[Natirasha]

That was me. I am in xyzzy's game as a hydra and forgot to log out, sorry.

[Natirasha]

I wouldn't really say you are above them, I'd say that you would be tied with slysly. The reason you were high up is that you are sorta lurking throughout the game (Joubert is lurking and not giving a single meaningful post). It would be a very good scum strategy to lurk in this game, as previously stated.

But...you've lurked, too.

[Natirasha]

Hey Sens, we got a bit of a timing crunch here, care to lend us a hand with this sub-par, but not bad lynch?

If my sig is correct, he's still on V/LA for 12 hours.

[Natirasha]

I don't like the Joubert lynch. He has lurked, but so has 50% of the game. He just does it more blatantly. I do want a claim from both Rishi and Joubert, though.

[Natirasha]

Just poppin' in to say that I'm still on vacation, just had 10 minutes to check the internet.

[Natirasha]

Still on vacation, big post Monday. However I will say I do not support a Battle Mage lynch, and would like to see Malthusis or PT lynch.

[Natirasha]

I have no results. Rereading now.

[Natirasha]

I do not think it wise to say more until day 3, but think it through. There are three situations here.
1. I'm scum, who doesn't want to tell you what we lost.
2. I was roleblocked.
3. I'm Natirasha, I'm known for lying and fakeclaimed.

I can, however, give my guess to what his role was. Since it's the judge corruptor, I believe it's one of these two things.
a. He corrupts the results of one or more of the judges, invalidating them with his own.
b. He's a scum judge.

Of the two, the first is better from a flavor perspective, but the second is better from a mechanical perspective.

More tommorow(as in, Tuesday).

[Natirasha]

I did fakeclaim...sorta. It was more of a soft-claim. I was actually apprehensive that people would believe it.

I am Maya Fey, a spirit channeler. As such, I may write a note each night, then channel a dead player. They may write a note back to me. That's all, though.

This explains why I have no results last night, why would scum talk to me? I did target him, but as you might imagine, I got nothing.

[Natirasha]

Well, obviously, I was going to ask what their role was, and such.

[Natirasha]

I looked it up. There is a character named Maya Fey and she can "channel spirits." that doesn't necessarily mean that she can speak to the dead, but it's not a huge stretch.

More here:
http://www.court-records.net/chara-maya.htm

could be a safeclaim?

BM

Virtually anything can be a safe claim.

[Natirasha]

Natirasha: Are you familiar with the game that this theme was based on?

Short Answer: Yes.
Long Answer: I can recite the entire script of the first two cases of the first game.

[Natirasha]

Um...Populartajo, you do know you just claimed a blatant murderer, right? Just making sure.

Also, I support a mass-claim.

[Natirasha]

ChiefSkye, your list is neglecting all of the Apollo Justice characters. Remember, it is in the Ace Attorney series.

In other news, CHiefSkye just jumped up a few notches on my scumdar.

[Natirasha]

For this game, I really don't see there being a doc role. It just doesn't really fit the flavor. I can see possibly see a bodyguard in one of the numerous cop characters(Gumshoe being the prime example), which is the same as the doc, so whatever I guess.

[Natirasha]

Also Natirasha why did ChiefSky jump one spot in his list? I think sharing this INFO is 100% protown, right? Also, how do you think a spirit channeler fits in all this "law" flavor?

I don't understand this. I don't have a list to share.

Also, way to not understand the source material.

[Natirasha]

Anyways, this game has been stalling. I've wanted Populartajo lynched since yesterday, so yeah.

Vote: Populartajo

[Natirasha]

[quote="Rishi"]I'm not convinced yet about populartajo. I don't feel that inattentiveness is a scumtell. Also, if he really is a prosecutor and the other one is dead, I'm not sure how the defendant gets picked. It's possible that there's a Prosecutor Corrupter out there, meaning that the scum might get to pick a defendant.
quote]
This is an issue if he is telling the truth. However, if I was a scum prosecutor, I would probably claim prosecutor as my role.

Plus, in case you didn't notice, Godot was one of the murderers in the third game, and generally a bad guy. And while you could make the arguement that he was a "tragic hero", you still put him behind bars.

[Natirasha]

I doubt it.

Assuming it's like the judges(Which seems to be 2 town, 1 scum), then the other prosecutor is dead, and the only prosecutor not claimed is scum. And he would be stupid to counter-claim, because if we kill populartajo, then it will be revealed he is scum. Ergo, there will most likely be no counter.

I could support 2 lynches right now, PT or ChiefSkye and of the two, I really don't want to lynch CS right now.

[Natirasha]

Natirasha Rishi and Matt can you unvote? Theres no reason to vote me. Specially Matt. Look for another easy target. And if you all finally want to lynch me wait for counterclaims so that my dead isnt vain at all. Okthxbay.

I'm not going to unvote you ever if you use the "You'll be sorry" defense.

[Natirasha]

Because, anyone who says "You shouldn't lynch me" deserves to be lynched. And you could still be lying, you know. I have to concur with Sensfan, while I do find it likely we have the 2-1 ratio on each prosecutors and judges, it is possible that they have a different ratio of town-to-scum or number. Maybe the townie prosecutor is staying hidden so we, you know, can control who the defendant is.

Additionally, your lists don't make sense.

Thirdly, your Godot.

Finally, you are very whiny and keep saying Matt(+me and Sens) are scummy without actually explaining what we are actually doing.

[Natirasha]

EBWOP: You are also pleaing to emotion, which doesn't help. You have also tried to send us on random tirades that will shunt attention away from you. Like in post 783.

[Natirasha]

Condorcet again?

[Natirasha]

Well, ok then. I'd agree to a CS lynch, although I don't like it.

[Natirasha]

I just wish that CS and Cream would

give some opinions so we know where they stand

post.

Fixed.

[Natirasha]

Thank you for that Sens, it was really helpful


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[Natirasha]

I believe CS's claim, and I don't want to lynch Sens. I still say Tajo should be lynched.

[Natirasha]

I'm sorry, but the Populartajo lynch sounds much more convincing to me than the CS lynch.

[Natirasha]

I'd like Cream to claim now. I'll claim after that.

Yes. Then let's have Malthusis claim, too.

Also, assuming that there are three scum, we are most definitely in LyLo, with the slight chance of a prisoner's dilemma if Sensfan is actually a SK.

[Natirasha]

That's exactly what I expected. I'm Ema Skye, the watcher. Night 1, I watched Rishi and saw you target him. This is why I thought there was a protective role yesterday and didn't support a massclaim. Night 2, I watched you in case the scum found out your role, but nobody targeted you. Since Rishi is confirmed, and SensFan is either a vig or the serial killer, this puts the mafia among Natirasha, malthusis, or me. Now it's up to who you guys believe. I'll

Vote malthusis

at this point.

Wait, what about Cream?

Or Sens.

[Natirasha]

EBWOP: I am counter-claiming Matt. I had to go re-read what Gorrad said to me to make sure, but he was the tracker and he saw Matt target Gorrad the night he died. As such,

Vote: Matt_S

[Natirasha]

I can't be Mafia. He flat out wrote that.

I know, but you can still be the SK.

[Natirasha]

I can't be Mafia. He flat out wrote that.

I know, but you can still be the SK.

Right. But the (2, presumably) Mafia are in {Nat, Matt, Malthusis, Cream}. Not to mention that any lynch other than Mafia loses the game.

Yup.

[Natirasha]

>.>

Malthusis, are you not going to comment on the claimed existence of two other investigative roles?

I find it likely there is a cop, considering my role is investigation-immune.

What am I saying, you ask? I'm settling this.

I am Matt Enguarde, the serial killer. Maya Fey is my safeclaim. I am also investigation-immune AND I am a tracker. As for my killing method, I hire Shelly de Killer to off my target. I may only use one ability a night. Last night, I attempted to kill Rishi, but was blocked for some reason. Before that, I tracked Matt, as I garnered a lot of attention day one and so I didn't kill, so it wasn't so suspicious.

And, yes, I am accusing a Matt/Cream scumgroup.

[Natirasha]

Natirasha's obviously mafia pushing for a mislynch. Tracker/SK is the dumbest role I've ever heard, and the potential for 3 kills a night is ridiculous, especially considering that the town can't no lynch. Natirasha and malthusis are almost surely scumpartners. First, I will outline why Natirasha is full of crap.
1. He's pushing a Me/Cream pair, despite validating Cream's role with his "claim". Or he's claiming that the mafia have a roleblocker and for some reason chose to block him.
2. He claims that he didn't kill because people suspected him. That's bull. Offing as many people as fast as possible is how a serial killer wins.
3. Tracker/SK. What the hell?
4. He's obviously trying to defend malthusis' claim by claiming investigation immunity.

Now let's do what SensFan says.

What? You've never seen a tracker/SK before? Well, I've seen it before(and played as it).
On the other stuff...
1. Or Cream is a doctor and you are the mafia watcher?
2. Um...I'm the dude that doesn't nightkill people as mafia so they suspect a cult.
3. See above.
4. Yes. Because Malthusis is Shelly de Killer.

[Natirasha]

Mafia Watcher can't kill?

[Natirasha]

Usually not if it watches.

True enough.

[Natirasha]

It's simple, really: You can only kill or watch.

[Natirasha]

It's simple, really: You can only kill or watch.

K.

Now let's get to your stance on Cream. Do you believe he's a doc or do you believe he's scum?

I am willing to believe he is the doc.

[Natirasha]

It's simple, really: You can only kill or watch.

K.

Now let's get to your stance on Cream. Do you believe he's a doc or do you believe he's scum?

I am willing to believe he is the doc.

So you think I am alone as scum. Now, why would the town want to lynch me, who you claim is lone scum, over you, who I claim is scum with a living buddy?

You can still have a buddy out there. You think that just because it's possible you and Cream aren't partners, that you can't have one at all? That's one mistep in logic unless I'm missing something here.

[Natirasha]

It's simple, really: You can only kill or watch.

K.

Now let's get to your stance on Cream. Do you believe he's a doc or do you believe he's scum?

I am willing to believe he is the doc.

So you think I am alone as scum. Now, why would the town want to lynch me, who you claim is lone scum, over you, who I claim is scum with a living buddy?

You can still have a buddy out there. You think that just because it's possible you and Cream aren't partners, that you can't have one at all? That's one mistep in logic unless I'm missing something here.

Who could it possibly be if it's not Cream? Rishi, the pretty much confirmed judge? SensFan, the vig or the serial killer? Malthusis, your buddy?

Malthusis, I suppose. The other two don't make sense.

[Natirasha]

Yet you believe that there is a cop.

I am willing to believe that either Cream or Malthusis is a lying scumbag. I just said it was likely that there was a cop, because I am investigation-immune. And being investigation immune with no cops is slightly bastard, but entirely possible.

[Natirasha]

Is there any real reason you believe I'm scum that I can defend against? And do you really believe we'd have mafia, serial killer, and vig in a game with lynches like this?

Um...question. I attempted to kill Rishi last night. Who was killed? BM and CS.

Now, CS was killed by Sensfan(Am I right here? You make it sound like that's true, but you've never outright said it).

That leaves one kill left uncounted for. Now, unless you are suggesting that we have busdriver or something, then where does that leave us?

[Natirasha]

I agree, what did the bailiff do?

I made the outrageous claims because..
1. Maya's flavor wis horrible. It doesn't push itself towards anything really.
2. One of my mottos is "Claim early, claim often".

Also, with my last Tracker-SK claim, I actually have seen the role, and I was hoping that Malth would catch the signal to not claim cop, since that would be the third investigative role.