Mini 610: Ace Attorney Mafia - Game Over!!

[populartajo]

This is gonna be one crazy game mechanic. If we have two scum in the jury at any one time, we cannot get a scumlynch unless the defendant is scum. I'm hoping that somewhere in the juror selection is a way to avoid that, but if not this is gonna be hell for town.

Hi all. This is a good post but it would be pretty hard for scum N1 to defend his partner, if he's heavily suspected, without bringing suspicions to his ass.
What happens with the other guys that arent jurys? They are like useless townies?

[populartajo]

I'm confused at Joubert's vote.

Wow, Natrasha's first post isnt antitown.

[populartajo]

I'm confused at Joubert's vote.

Wow, Natrasha's first post isnt antitown.

I don't have a vote to vote myself with.

That explains it.
Ok, we have to get this thing moving.
Could you all answer these questions? (Conversation FTW)
1. What do you think of this setup?
2. Is this game tough for town?
3. Is Mirth town or scum? Yes, no, I dont know?

[populartajo]

I'm confused at Joubert's vote.

Wow, Natrasha's first post isnt antitown.

I don't have a vote to vote myself with.

That explains it.
Ok, we have to get this thing moving.
Could you all answer these questions? (Conversation FTW)
1. What do you think of this setup?
2. Is this game tough for town?
3. Is Mirth town or scum? Yes, no, I dont know?

I guess it would be fair to asnwer myself these questions.
1. We still dont know much about the setup but I guess it seems interesting.
2. At first glance, yes it is. If babyshamble is town then she has big possibilities of dying today. It's only needed one lurking scum or even a bored player to lynch her. However, Ive been wondering if volkan didnt put a scum as the first defendant or if it was a random decision.
3. Mirth seems town IMO. That type of statements : "I dont know why dont like this or that" seem a bad play for scum.
People left answer please. We need everyone active as possible.

[populartajo]

3. Mirth seems town IMO. That type of statements : "I dont know why dont like this or that" seem a bad play for scum.

I repeat, page 2 ~flail~ the fact that youre even thinking you could get a read on me on page 2 bothers me. Lots. Now kindly go answer my questions.

What questions?
I dont see how you can think everyone but you can have a read on people.

[populartajo]

And I don't. You're putting words in my mouth.

Look, Mirth. It just seems pretty wrong that you attack me for having a read of you too early when you've basically have a read on everyone that has posted in this game. Why cant someone have a read like you do? Is that your playstyle? Attacking everyone? Or is that you just "read" someone as more suspicious than the rest and go for it?

Now I'm curious what you all think of Nat's call for a claim from BG? And what do you all think about soft claiming?

Asking for a claim is pretty suspicious but we're talking about Natirasha here. Its too early for that, IMO, as I have no idea how hard will it be to lynch another person when its necessary that 7 people agre, unless something big happens.
Soft claiming in the other hand is something very strange coming from him and Im still wondering wether this benefits him more as the "antitown" town he could be or as the scum we need to lynch.

[populartajo]

Good to see a game take off like this. Tajo and Mirth are very possibly both scum.

Explanation?

[populartajo]

Where was I confused?

[populartajo]

And I don't. You're putting words in my mouth.

Look, Mirth. It just seems pretty wrong that you attack me for having a read of you too early when you've basically have a read on everyone that has posted in this game. Why cant someone have a read like you do? Is that your playstyle? Attacking everyone? Or is that you just "read" someone as more suspicious than the rest and go for it?

I don't have a read on anyone yet, don't know what gave you that impression. And won't for a while. And yes, I'm like this in the first few pages of a game. (And it continues beyond the first few pages if it needs to). I'll attack anything that so much as moves.

It seems clearly to me that you think Natirasha is more scum than town. Am I wrong?
Also, the post above was aimed to Gorrad.

[populartajo]

Tajo: You claimed that Mirth acting confused was a towntell. THAT'S what drew my attention.

The towntell isnt acting confused. I just think she seems town because attacking someone but not stating your reasons is pretty bad play for scum. And everything she posts something new I keep thinking that she, as scum, wouldnt have posted that.
Now Gorrad any reason for suspecting someone and going hard against them when almost half people havent posted yet?

[populartajo]

I didn't, he did. And I told him too early to think so.

I'll go look at that game briefly, but I put no faith in metas. Learned my lesson.

I also dont rely too much in meta but in Natirasha's case is extremely necessary.

[populartajo]

Mirth: I've got a decent enough Meta on Natirasha to think he would softclaim early with no good reason.

Tajo: You claimed that Mirth acting confused was a towntell. THAT'S what drew my attention.

Meta. Which is what exactly?

And, btw, I never acted confused. Something bothers me about CS's post, I'm sure of that, just not sure what. I'm thinking it's the statement of an obvious fact (that we should play like normal and we'll manage) that does it. Maybe I'm blind but I don't see an alternative to playing like normal since we don't know the mechanics of this set up.

Then why didnt you explain that when you posted that?

[populartajo]

Meta question : which allignment do you prefer the most?

[populartajo]

I'm currently disliking his repeated attempts to find towniness in my actions actually. I'm sure that when Sly gets here he'll call scum meta on me for what I'm doing ^_^ (Hurry up and post, Sly, I miss you )

Tajo: because I was hoping someone would pick up on it and talk to me? I hate monologuing

Lol, so I think you are more town than scum and you dont like it?
The only reason I think you're town is that you seem pretty good to have posted your monologue as scum.

[populartajo]

That Gorrad always messes with my posts.

I'm currently disliking his repeated attempts to find towniness in my actions actually. I'm sure that when Sly gets here he'll call scum meta on me for what I'm doing ^_^ (Hurry up and post, Sly, I miss you Razz)

Tajo: because I was hoping someone would pick up on it and talk to me? I hate monologuing

Lol, so I think you are more town than scum and you dont like it?
The only reason I think you're town is that you seem pretty good to have posted your monologue as scum.

And the above post was to Gorrad.

[populartajo]

This game is going to be long.
Bye bye. I need to sleep.

[populartajo]

Vote babygirl86

Let's get this over with.

You seem to be a fairly experienced player. Therefore, you surely know that time is money as far as town are concerned. The more discussion the better. Lynching the defendant right now would do nothing for the town! It would just mean we were in a Day 1 situation tomorrow!

Vote: theopor_COD

Vote : Cream147

woot woot

[populartajo]

I sincerely doubt theopor wrote that because he's scum. Its a nice gambit if he's scum but for now Im not happy with the reaction of our good friend Cream. You vote for him and then he joins. Easy targets attract scum.

[populartajo]

MOD: Can you prod anyone who has not yet posted in-thread?

Anyways, onto my claim.

I am Maya Fey, town-aligned. Every night, I may "channel" a dead player. I will then see that player's role PM. I asked, and scum/mason partners will not be revealed.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but this role seems completely useless.

It does. I am also bothered by Natirasha not waiting for more people to comment on whether or not he should full claim.

I sincerely doubt theopor wrote that because he's scum. Its a nice gambit if he's scum but for now Im not happy with the reaction of our good friend Cream. You vote for him and then he joins. Easy targets attract scum.

If you didn't notice, my vote was already on Theo. For something not at all related to this game. It's staying there until I hear Theo talk some more. And I don't know if he wrote it because he's scum. Meta on him tells me that all meta should be ignored. He's just that good. I just want to see him talk and can't really blame Cream for being vote number 2 on a wagon. Why do you?

Thats my point. Theo could or couldnt be scum. Cream in the other hand seems to be so sure after you've voted for him. Also I cant compare both of you for two principal reasons : a)first vote on someone is more town than scum b)you've been attacking everything that moves since the beginning of the game. See the difference with Cream?

[populartajo]

I'm really not happy with people claiming at this point, especially people who aren't the defendant. I'm not saying I support the defendant claiming, but if anyone would claim unprovoked, it should be babygirl86.

Thats my point. Theo could or couldnt be scum. Cream in the other hand seems to be so sure after you've voted for him. Also I cant compare both of you for two principal reasons : a)first vote on someone is more town than scum b)you've been attacking everything that moves since the beginning of the game. See the difference with Cream?

You seem to be jumping to a big conclusion about Cream there. And I highly disagree with reason A.

Ok you're free to disagree but why is Cream so sure about theopor? Any ideas? Why did he jump against him and not against other minor cases?
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Mirth I find extremely strange that you dont have to say anything about Cream.
Also Natirasha's case is so full of WIFOM that it hurts.
Is Theo that dumb?

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Non-Jurors:

**Babygirl86: (0/7)
Joubert: (0/7)
Matt_S: (0/7)
Natirasha: (0/7)
populartajo: (0/7)

Jurors

ChiefSkye4: (0/6, 0/1)
Cream147: (0/6, 0/1)
Gorrad: (0/6, 0/1)
malthusis: (0/6, 0/1)
Mirth: (0/6, 1/1) Joubert
SlySly: (0/6, 0/1)
theopor_COD: (2/6, 1/1) {Mirth, Cream147}, populartajo

Not Voting: (8/12) babygirl86, ChiefSkye4, Gorrad, Matt_S, malthusis, Natirasha, SlySly, theopor_COD

Deadline for D1: Saturday June 29, 6:15PM GMT+10
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[populartajo]

Yey, thoughts.
I dont get the Mirth wagon. As I already said Mirth is an agressive player. Acting confused knowing her style is such a bad play for scum. Im leaning town from her.
Im really disliking Gorrad. He should know better that the type of player Mirth is is propensed to make scumtells, regarding allignment. I would have expected a neutral position but he seems too sure about her. I should probably add Malthusis to the list but he is less experienced. I want to ask both, though, why exactly are they voting for Mirth.

I believe Natirasha's claim just for now. We should find a way to test his almost useless power.
Im still deciding wether Volkan decided if it was too powerful for town to have a scum as the first defendant and if babygirl should or shouldnt be town. She's probably town geting frustrated regarding her last post.
Oh and BTW, Chiefsky is town.

[populartajo]

Tajo: Do you actually believe in scumtells as valid measures of alignment? Why you you think BG is probably town. Why do you think CS is town?

They are not the ultimate truth about someone's allignement but they usually help. BG is probably town because scum would not act frustrated at this state of the game. Too much attention for them and we know they dont love it unless it is to push a case against someone.
And CS is probably town for the tone of his last post. He thinks that is suspicious, and I agree, to suspect only you for your talking with Malthusis when there are two people involved in an usual conversation, right?
Of course I could be wrong but that helps me to pseudo reduce the possibilities and try to concentrate in someone that has more potential for being scum.

[populartajo]

Why are you unvoting Cream?

[populartajo]

This whole "put on" thing seems kind of put on. Nobody saw it that way until Natirasha brought it up. It seems to be nothing but a distraction.

Well...Natirasha saw it before he brought it up. If you read the conversation and can't see how it feels a bit put on, then...well...I don't know.

I unvoted Theo because he hasn't really seemed scummy to me since that 1 post early on.

And why did you vote him?
I mean, what did he do for you deciding to unvote him?

[populartajo]

No, I just re-read the last few pages. You guys have indirectly teamed up against me, bouncing off each others arguments towards everything.

When was I against you?

[populartajo]

No, I just re-read the last few pages. You guys have indirectly teamed up against me, bouncing off each others arguments towards everything.

When was I against you?

EBWOP
Define towards everything.

[populartajo]

Ok we know lurking isnt going to help town specially in this game.
We have to do something.
Although my vote doesnt mean anything, Id suggest the jury to vote for Cream that he's far suspicious than babygirl.
Reason : he unvotes Theo with no apparent reason.

ChiefSkye4
Cream147
Gorrad
malthusis
Mirth
SlySly
theopor_COD

Do all the members of the jury here think that Cream is less suspicious than babygirl?

[populartajo]

Ok we know lurking isnt going to help town specially in this game.
We have to do something.
Although my vote doesnt mean anything, Id suggest the jury to vote for Cream that he's far suspicious than babygirl.
Reason : he unvotes Theo with no apparent reason.

ChiefSkye4
Cream147
Gorrad
malthusis
Mirth
SlySly
theopor_COD

Do all the members of the jury here think that Cream is less suspicious than babygirl?

Wow. My scummeter was at 9 with Mirth, but you're regestering a solid 8 with this post.

Explanation, Gorrad. Explanation.
And answer my question. Do you agree with a babygirl lynch?

[populartajo]

You tell the jury (meaning you want this to be a lynch) to vote for someone on a weak reason because they're more scummy than babygirl. WOW. You completely fail to mention ANY of the other people under suspicion, and this is a fairly obvious ploy to direct attention away from Mirth and onto Cream. Wow.

I dont think Mirth is scum.
I think Cream has more possibilities of being scum than babygirl and even Mirth.
In fact Im almost sure babygirl is town.
What do you mean with ANY of the other people under suspicion? Can you name them? If you give me a decent case about anyone then I'll definetely push it since its TOTALLY BETTER than a player (babygirl) with no reason for a lynch.
Now.
Why dont you let Cream defend himself? I dont see any reason why he unvoted Theo, do you?
BTW Cream has posted in other game.

[populartajo]

Sorry I haven't posted in a while, I just haven't had too much to say. I'm pretty sure that babygirl is innocent, I'm getting real frustrated townie vibes from her posts (and I don't blame her, though she could be more constructive and do a bit of scumhunting). My number one candidate for scum at the moment is mirth, but I don't feel particularly strong about that.

Just to clarify about my unvote popular, if someone is not my number 1 candidate, I prefer to not have my vote on them, unless there is a good reason to having my vote on them as a pose to the scummiest player.

Hmm... Your reason is poor, and popular's reason is poor. Popular is trying to get the pressure off Mirth, which I dislike. Cream is acting noncommittal, which I dislike. I'll

FOS them both

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Why is my reason poor? Its as valid as we can get at this stage of the game. I mean look at his explanation. Who's your top suspect now, Cream?
We should also look Gorrad. I have a bad feeling about him. Mirth is neutral, IMO and Im not trying to get the pressure of her. Those ARE simply my reads.
My principal point is that babygirl is less scummy than pretty much everyone here and I wont be happy if we let the jury lynch her.
That's why my question to everyone in the jury is : Do you think babygirl is more summy than Cream or anyone else?. Also, if you have any decent case against someone then we should push it because for now babygirl is not a decent lycnh.

[populartajo]

Also, if you have any decent case against someone then we should push it because for now babygirl is not a decent lycnh.

The fact that you're pushing this alternative using only Cream's unvote, while ignoring babygirl's unvote, is what's poor. What makes Cream a decent lynch and not babygirl?

Im assuming volkan didnt put a scum in the first trial.

[populartajo]

Also, if you have any decent case against someone then we should push it because for now babygirl is not a decent lycnh.

The fact that you're pushing this alternative using only Cream's unvote, while ignoring babygirl's unvote, is what's poor. What makes Cream a decent lynch and not babygirl?

Im assuming volkan didnt put a scum in the first trial.

That nails it. Wouldn't it be a tad overpowered if the town would be down a townie day one, no matter what happens?

unvote, vote: Populartajo

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I dont see how making a decent assupmtion makes me immediately scum. I guess it could be random but I think it would be a little overpowered for town if we have all scum in trials. There would be too much luck-factor, IMO.

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Non-Jurors:

**Babygirl86: (1/7) {Mirth}
Joubert: (0/7)
Matt_S: (0/7)
Natirasha: (0/7)
populartajo: (0/7)

Jurors

ChiefSkye4: (0/6, 0/1)
Cream147: (0/6, 0/1)
Gorrad: (0/6, 0/1)
malthusis: (0/6, 0/1)
Mirth: (2/6, 3/1) {Gorrad, malthusis}, Joubert, babygirl86
SlySly: (0/6, 0/1)
theopor_COD: (0/6, 1/1) populartajo

Not Voting: (6/12) ChiefSkye4, Matt_S, SlySly, theopor_COD, Cream147. Natirasha

Deadline for D1: Saturday June 29, 6:15PM GMT+10
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[populartajo]

... wait? You're assuming BG is innocent by attempting to mod outguess that scum can't be on trial first? WTH? How is this a remotely valid reason?
Its a safe assumption.
Unless those lists are random. You guys have your point here. But do you think it would be fair for scum to have a possible scumpartner in the first trial? This game is different and thats why Im 90% sure volkan had to mess it a little bit for balance reasons.
Unless Im wrong. Ive been many times.
Natirasha tell me whats the scum motivation behind that assumption. Why does it make me scum? Wouldnt it be better to let babygirl die with no agreement?

[populartajo]

... wait? You're assuming BG is innocent by attempting to mod outguess that scum can't be on trial first? WTH? How is this a remotely valid reason?

Its a safe assumption.
Unless those lists are random. You guys have your point here. But do you think it would be fair for scum to have a possible scumpartner in the first trial? This game is different and thats why Im 90% sure volkan had to mess it a little bit for balance reasons.
Unless Im wrong. Ive been many times.
Natirasha tell me whats the scum motivation behind that assumption. Why does it make me scum? Wouldnt it be better to let babygirl die with no agreement?

[populartajo]

RL issues, will post ASAP. Posting this in all my games.1

[populartajo]

I hate when threads get long like this.
Thx BM.

[populartajo]

Need to reread. Getting frustrated and getting replaced is probably what Id expect of an angry townie like babygirl. Let's see if Rishi changes things here. I still think that there are like a thousand candidats that are better suspects than this baby but you dont want to listen.

[populartajo]

Why are you still defending BG/Rishi?

Im not 100% defending her/him.
1. I think that babygirl sounds more like a frustrated townie that like a frustrated scum. DOES ANYBODY ELSE THINK LIKE ME?
2. Im not outguessing the mod but I strongly suspect that the list of jurors, non-jurors and a defendant is not random. It could be, but this game would be a little unfair for scum if we have a scumdefendant in the first day. This is just my opinion.
3. I still think that there are people far more suspect than babygirl. Read my posts for details.

[populartajo]

suspect* --> suspicious

[populartajo]

Anyone care to explain why am I scum?

[populartajo]

Ok we know lurking isnt going to help town specially in this game.
We have to do something.
Although my vote doesnt mean anything, Id suggest the jury to vote for Cream that he's far suspicious than babygirl.
Reason : he unvotes Theo with no apparent reason.

ChiefSkye4
Cream147
Gorrad
malthusis
Mirth
SlySly
theopor_COD

Do all the members of the jury here think that Cream is less suspicious than babygirl?

One of the most scummy things I've seen posted in a long while.

Explain why this post is scummy and why it doesnt seem to you like an attempt to stop possible scum in the jurors lurking. Now.

[populartajo]

The logical option for scum will be to dont give a damn about this game.

[populartajo]

Ok we know lurking isnt going to help town specially in this game.
We have to do something.
Although my vote doesnt mean anything, Id suggest the jury to vote for Cream that he's far suspicious than babygirl.
Reason : he unvotes Theo with no apparent reason.

ChiefSkye4
Cream147
Gorrad
malthusis
Mirth
SlySly
theopor_COD

Do all the members of the jury here think that Cream is less suspicious than babygirl?

One of the most scummy things I've seen posted in a long while.

Explain why this post is scummy and why it doesnt seem to you like an attempt to stop possible scum in the jurors lurking. Now.

Funny, I don't remember you ever using that reasoning in the past.

we know lurking isnt going to help town specially in this game.
We have to do something.

[populartajo]

That was the first time that you mentioned scum lurking. You were trying to keep babygirl from being lynched by getting the jury to vote someone else before, yet now you say that you did that to keep scum from lurking on the jury.

Dont try too hard, Matt. What I was trying to do here is to push they jury to comment about a scummy player while at the same time stating what I thought about babygirl. I still think babygirl/Rishi is innocent and shouldnt be lynched. I still think Cream, at least him, should be the defendant now. Also, notice the word "possible" in "possible scum in the jury". The logical play for them would be to lurk and comment the less possible.
I repeat the same question now, to all the JURY, is babygirl/Rishi more scummy than Cream?

So, why do you think asking the jury to vote for someone is the best way to handle lurking?

Find another way.

And why is that even excusable when you ignored babygirl's lurking?

I didnt ignore it. She is the defendant, duh.[/quote]

[populartajo]

Why so fixated on Cream? Is he really the scummiest?

He's a decent option, IMO.

[populartajo]

BM tell me why am I scum now.

[populartajo]

The logical play for them would be to lurk and comment the less possible.

Oh I WISH things were that simple. Not only does that open you up for a ton of WIFOM, but it also assumes that the lurking scum juror won't be lynched by his peers for lurking. From the beginning, that whole incident was about keeping babygirl from being lynched.

Find another way.

If I'm worried about lurking, I generally use prods. Then they have to lurk in front of everyone.

I didnt ignore it. She is the defendant, duh.

Are you trying to say that it's excusable for the defendant to lurk?

You have to read all my posts if you want to EXACTLY understand what Im thinking.
1. I think that babygirl is town. Rishi also feels that way.
2. I think that there is at least one probable scum in the juror.
3. I think that we should lynch other person.
Prods wouldnt have worked the way I wanted to and I wanted to pressure the jury. There's like many people lurking and no one gives a damn.
I do it and voila, Im scum.
I dont get it.

[populartajo]

No one has told me why am I scum.
I dont see why I am at many tops.
Do you want me to claim?

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Non-Jurors:

**Rishi: (0/7)
Joubert: (2/7) {Mirth, malthusis}
Matt_S: (0/7)
Natirasha: (0/7)
populartajo: (1/7) {Battle Mage}

Jurors

ChiefSkye4: (0/6, 0/1)
Cream147: (0/6, 0/1)
Gorrad: (0/6, 0/1)
malthusis: (0/6, 1/1) Rishi
Mirth: (0/6, 1/1) Joubert
SlySly: (1/6, 1/1) {Gorrad}, Matt_S
Battle Mage: (0/6, 1/1) populartajo

Not Voting: (4/12) ChiefSkye4, SlySly, Cream147, Natirasha

Deadline for D1: Saturday July 5, 6:15PM GMT+10
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SlySly is being prodded

[populartajo]

Ill reread and give my opinions in some minutes.

[populartajo]

First.

Each trial has somebody designated as the Defendant. That person will be convicted at the 3 week deadline automatically unless somebody else is convicted instead. The effect of this is that somebody will always be convicted by the end of the day.
My reasoning is like this. If the defendant is scum, its totally hard for scum to overcome this position, specially today. Volkan has to have thought of the balance of this game. That’s why today is more probable that we have a townie as the defendant.
Again, is possible that the choice of defendant is random but researching about him, I think he put a little effort to avoid these random situations.

Now, posts.

Yet her being the defendant doesn't automatically mean that she will be the lynch for the day, so maybe i'm just being too skeptical, but your sympathy seems a bit forced.

Mirth starts the agression against everything that moves. I have problems seeing this as an extremely agressive scum play as it usually generates much attention and hate from the people you attack. This probably tells me Mirth is just agressive scumhunting townie.

Natirasha suggest babygirl to claim inmediately. Again I can see this as gatheting too much attention and a bad play for scum if babygirl were town or scum. This tells me Natirasha is prob town.

Chiefsky has some good posting at P2. He usually talks about the difficulty of geting 7 players to agree, although he seems to be very careful about his voting.

Gorrad comes aboard with an interesting attack. Mirth and me are scumpartners. He shares my theory of the balance of the game. He explains he's usually like that with games he likes.

Theopor joins and votes for babygirl. I assume this was a joke vote or a trap, or simple stupidity. There was no apparent reason for doing that. Mirth confirms the vote for him and then Cream follows using a silly reason.

Natirasha claims a weak town role. That explains why he thinks there isnt vanilla townies and why he wanted to claim. Still doubtful but it can be tested.

Some noncontributing players start posting : Malthusis and SLysly. This lends to Natirasha suspecting the Mirth-Malth chat. I dont see it since I dont expect Malthusis to make first posts about a possible scumpartner.

Gorrad jumps against Mirth. Very serious and with a weak reasoning as the attack is against the usual Mirth jumping against something that bothers her.

Now I have to get out something of my chest. Ive been bothered by Matt posting. I cant quote exactly what makes me feel this way. It probably has to be with the small posting and the subtle attacks he usually makes. I can be wrong but I had to write it.

Now Gorrad jumps against me. I still dont see the reasoning.

Slysly jumps against babygirl. Nice resoning but bad play and I cant see scum doing that.

Gorrad explains nicely why he thinks a town role could pick the defendant.

And Matt votes someone for apparent fishing. I dont see, again, Slysly as scum doing that. Gorrad joins.

Fos them both.

BM replaces Theo and my head starts to hurt. Rishi replaces babygirl and I still think he's town.

BM jumps against me as an opening vote. No reason. Gorrad follows him and I still dont see why I am scum. Im tempte to add BM to my scum list but I already know he's always that annoying.

I got tired but Ill finish rerading tomorrow.

CONCLUSION: We should be looking either Matt or Cream and maybe Gorrad or BM.
Possible townies IMO : Natirasha, Mirth, Rishi, Slysly.

Unvote. Vote : Matt

Im not seeing the case on Joubert. Anyone care to explain?

[populartajo]

Sorry guys. Im posting this night.

[populartajo]

I need to reread. Thx BM.
Please, since Im a little busy these days can someone summarize what has happened so far in this game? Like important facts, kay?
Im going to reread but if someone could help me id really apreciate it.

[populartajo]

I need to reread. Thx BM.
Please, since Im a little busy these days can someone summarize what has happened so far in this game? Like important facts, kay?
Im going to reread but if someone could help me id really apreciate it.

Uh. No. Please read the thread yourself.

Any summary is going to be inherently biased.

Are you the judge?

[populartajo]

Let's stop the quote pyramid, please.

Yes please. Still rereading. Will come with a nice post later.

[populartajo]

Ok.
Here's how we are going right now.
Joubert --> judge corrupter, scum. (lynched instead of Rishi another claimed puisne (¿?) judge)
Mirht and Gorrad --> town, prosecutor and bailiff (both nightkilled)
So far we have one scum down and probably a serial killer. For the moment, I cant see two scum groups or a compulsive vig.

I did some analysis and reread the game knowing that Joubert was scum. Common sense tells us that the players he attacked sincerely (trying to lynch them) arent probably scum.
First of all he attacked Mirth with all his heart. This would almost confirm her as townie. Unluckily Mirth was killed yesterday and she indeed came up town (I knew it).
However I also found out that he attacked Malthusis for wagoning him. This almost confirms him as townie and again helps me pseudoreducing the possibilities of finding scum.
Finally he went weakly against Natirasha. No problems here as for the moment I beieve Natirasha's claim. He'll come back with nice information.
Thats all I could get out of Joubert posting.
...........
Now I found out some interesting comments after Rishi claimed the Judge (this also confirms him as town) (I knew it x2)
For the moment I believe BM's claim (the lists make enough sense to be both false) but Im not sure about his allignment. I do find strange that he defended Joubert yesterday and I dsilike some reactions when Rishi claimed, like asking counterclaims. Also why did BM still not believe Rishi's claim (he was asking for a list to confirm his role) if he got the same role than him?
Can he be some sort of Judge scum?
.........
BTW Im still thinking Matt is scum. Too much active lurking for my taste but he quickly jumped against me when I was the hot bitch yesterday. Jumped against Slysly for rolefishing when I can see the reasoning behind that question. Gorrad was almost breadcrumbing his role. Also, Post 538 is a blatant ignoration of what was going on in town about Joubert at that moment.
.............
Conclusion
Townies : populartajo.
Prob townies : Rishi, Natirasha, Chiefsky, Malthusis,
Neutral : Sensfan
Scummy : Matt, BM, prob Cream.
I know my vote still doesnt count but

Vote : Matt.

[populartajo]

Wow. That last post by populartajo was terrible. I'd also like answers to the questions that Battle Mage posed.

I dont find it too terrible.
Ill answer every question later since Im at work now but please reread Matt and tell me what do you all think.
And BM who claimed Judge first: you or Rishi?

[populartajo]

Still on vacation, big post Monday. However I will say I do not support a Battle Mage lynch, and would like to see Malthusis or PT lynch.

Obv I dont support any of these lynches.
Joubert attacked Mirth and Malthusis at some point of the game. And the attack felt sincere. This tells me that neither of them is a possible scumpartner.
Obv I know my role and Id suggest not to lynch me.
Now BM.

Ok, same question as was posed to CS. Why is Rishi confirmed town? And more importantly, why is he any more confirmed town than me?

He claimed to save his ass. And he claimed an important role, so easy to counterclaim in case he were scum. So he's probably town. Its interesting though that scum didnt kill him and picked Mirth and Gorrad. But I can see the reasoning against strong and annoying players like them.

Well, you shouldnt. Firstly, there was no real case for Joubert to be lynched. The scum screwed up big time by bussing him so early on. The only possible good outcome would be that I would get lynched too, but nobody is stupid enough to push a lynch on a confirmed power role, are they?

Oh, wait a minute. You are, arent you?

First I agree that there wasnt a case against Joubert and that we were lucky to get him lynched yesterday. Second, if you read good Im pushing Matt's lynch. But to be honest I feel theres something off in your claim. I dont know what yet. For now, yes we can assume that you're town and we'll definitely know sooner or later, since scum already know that you both have a very powerful role in the game.

Yes, because i wanted to see if we had any more Judge claimants. At that time, i had no idea whether he was telling the truth or not, because i hadn't seen the list. But i did want to know just how many of us there were. And hopefully, try and lure a scumbag into counterclaiming a role which i could easily confirm/deny.

Ok this seems reasonable.

You just aren't sure. Thats the point when you probably ask to find out more about their role, to see if your pm can reinforce/disprove their claim.
The list was obviously the only real way i could confirm his role. And it didnt benefit anyone else in any other way, so i figured it had to be good!

Yes right now scum do know how that list thing works. I dont know how much that benefits us or them.

What part of 'Judge CORRUPTER' are you not understanding here? What, do you think the scum have a Power Role, AND a role to invalidate that Power Role?

I was thinking that maybe theres a Judge scum that makes another list so that we can balance things in case of mass claiming, like now. Thats, actually one of the reasons why I still dont totally believe you BM.
And we dont know what a judge corrupter does, do we?

you never were the 'hot bitch', and you never will be.

I was almost lynched yesterday. And Im a hot bitch in RL. Trust me.
Now, reread Matt and tell me if he doesnt seem to you like the perfect scum, caring about this game when necessary and such. Tell me what he said about Joubert. BTW I also remember a player with the same characterisitics that was lynched yesterday and turned up scum. Please understand that scum obviously isnt going to act scummy. They simply dont have to give a damn about this game and(or jump in nice cases (like mine) .
Tajo.

[populartajo]

Could you actually point out some explicit reasons I'm scum? Saying that I actively lurked is a nice accusation to throw on someone when they have fewer posts than you. And accusing me of calling you scummy isn't much of a case.

I already said that the perfect scum would lurk, wouldnt care about this game and let town kill themselves since theres a default lynch. Can you tell me what you said about Joubert yesterday?

It's still rolefishing. And could you please point out where Gorrad almost breadcrumbed the role of Bailiff. SlySly tried to get more info from Gorrad for no apparent reason. That's scummy. Not to mention that you called Gorrad scummy for the same reason, and we all know how that turned out.

Matt, that wasnt rolefishing. Gorrad was making too much sense when he explained how the defendant was going to be picked like he knew something else we didnt know. 230 and 232 are nice examples. I share what Mirth thinks in 239. Also, what does SlySly gain as scum with unnecesarry attention?
Jumping against him tells me two things : a)you're scum and found a "perfect" easy target or b)you dont use much logic when thinking. Snce I know you, you already know what option Im finding more probable.

This part is what makes me think you haven't even been reading. Post 538 isn't about Joubert. It was about you, and part of it was how you didn't get what was wrong with Joubert. Yet now you talk as if you are an expert in the field of why Joubert was scum.

Of course I reread. My point is that everyone is talking about Joubert, the lynch of the day, and you only mention him in

That seems to be the entirety of popular's case against me. You could apply the first post to Joubert, but he doesn't
mention that.

Did you try to say that I left Joubert out of my analysis for some reason?

[populartajo]

EBWOP and sorry for the triple post.
That last quote was by Matt not by some populartajo.

[populartajo]

So, yeah...BM is clear, as far as I'm concerned. This means it is even more important than normal to ensure we get a unanimous vote from the jury. I like a Tajo lynch, myself.

I know that others have expressed interest in a populartajo lynch, but what are your reasons for supporting it?

Largely the fact he thinks that Joubert is a Scum Judge Corrupter, AND BattleMage is a Scum Judge...

Whats wrong with that?

[populartajo]

Yeah, I said I forgot about him since he had 10 posts at that time in the day. Then I placed him on my suspect list. Now how is that relevant to why I'm scum? And again, please point out times where I actively lurked rather than just accusing me.

All your posts are short and exact. You dont post frecuently. I call that active lurking.
Examples Post 32 is a subtle attack against Mirth.
Next post, 91, is a subtle attack against me and Nat's claim.
Post 118 is an answer to a question not asked to you.
134 comments about that mafia could have no NKs or that they could be a small group.
137 going against Mirth. Subtly.
163 going against Natirasha.
168 commenting about the Mirth-Malth chat. He calls it a distraction caused by Nat.
193 going against Cream and myself. The attack goes through 195 and 197.
238 strong attack against Sly.
Im still not seeing why scum would do that. Its just stupid and brings unnecesarry attention. How do you know town will defend you? I agree its probably not the best way to ask but Gorrad was breadcrumbing that he might know more information. The decent reaction is to ask them to put all the chips on the table.
299 against ChiefSky.
357, 365, 388 jumps against me. I am the easy target at that moment.

390 Populartajo and Slysly are his lynch candidats.

392, Opps he forgot that he'd also support a Joubert lynch. Did he mention anything about him before? NO.

427. Im still the easy target but people are starting to see a possible Jouber lynch. This is his list

My miniscum list
1. SlySly
2. Joubert
3. Populartajo

Still no explication why Jubert is now top2.
Then he goes on a vacation. Joubert's lynch solidifies. He comes back.

538 doesnt mnention Joubert. It mentions me attacking him for something that I could have also applied to Joubert. Trying to subtly link us.

D2 starts with 556 a direct attack. He blames me for assuming that babygirl is innocent. I mean whats wrong with that? Why does that make me scum?
594 is open for a decent case against CS that could change his mind. WTF?

630. He finally votes me. His reason : Im the only option.

In conclusion.
Matt has humped against many people. I would like to see this as decent scumhunting but if you check his posts, the majority are subtle attacks and strong attacks against easy targets like Slysly and myself. The thing that most bothers me is his relationdship with Joubert. Before his lynch, he never attacked him but however he was in his top for some reason he only knows.
BTW I can claim at any time you want guys. So we dont lose time with my case and start pressing the right player.

[populartajo]

No need for a prod. Im sorry. I just got a job and Im busy as hell. I will have time tomorrow.
In the meanwhile, you can see better cases than mine. I am Godot. I work as a Prosecutor, bringing criminals to justice. I make a preferential list of Defendants for the following day.
Bay.

[populartajo]

When are we lynching Matt=?

[populartajo]

When are we lynching Matt=?

Never, I hope.

What happened? Do you believe my claim?
....
Also 676 feels strange for a player like Matt. Am I right? That "heck, I would have given that link earlier" doesnt sit well.

[populartajo]

Wait, better question. Why did you think that vollkan wouldn't put scum as the first defendant if you partially chose the first defendant?

Because I sent a list but Volkan changed it. I assumed Volkan had to mess with my list for some reason. I thought that maybe I had put a scum at the top of my list. Do you all want that I share my list?

[populartajo]

I support massclaim.
Ill share my lists later.

[populartajo]

I don't support a mass claim. I think we still have a protective role.

Why?

[populartajo]

I find it slightly unnerving that my three suspects all support a massclaim. I also find it interesting that three of the four people who support a massclaim have already claimed. I also would like to point out that popular hasn't shared his lists yet. The second sentence is irrelevant, but it's an interesting look on things.

I guess the protective role you're talking about was already killed yesterday, right? Isnt the picture of Gorrad a police officer? And how many protective roles do you think we have?
Matt, who is your other suspect? I know you suspect ChiefSky and myself but who is the other one? And just curious, why Chief?
Here are the lists I sent.

D2 list

Populartajo
Cream147
Gorrad
Matt_S
malthusis
Mirth
SensFan
Battle Mage
ChiefSkye4

D1 list

Natirasha
Gorrad
babygirl86
ChiefSkye4
Cream147
Joubert
MafiaSSK
populartajo
malthusis
Mirth
SlySly
theopor_COD

The only thing I need to explain for my list D2 is that I put myself in the top of the list because I knew that Natirasha wasnt the defendant D1. Cream occupies the third stop D2, the spot that babygirl occupied in my list D1.

Now I have a question to both Rishi and BM. Did you figure out how this list thing work? I think it had something to be with the position of the player in the list, right?

Also Natirasha why did ChiefSky jump one spot in his list? I think sharing this INFO is 100% protown, right? Also, how do you think a spirit channeler fits in all this "law" flavor?

[populartajo]

Shit Matt you are right. I just checked the PM I sent to Volkan and I didnt include these guys. Im thinking that since I copied/pasted/edited from the last list I separated both of them since I thought these guys are confirmed townies for his both claims.
Im going to PM the mod about this but if hes reading then he can answer here.

[populartajo]

@Nat, what I meant with list was that why CHiefsky was on your scumlist. Maybe I should have explained it better.

Im a Prosecutor. I already sent my lists. I already told you who is scum. What else do you want for me? Please read my posts and evaluate things beyond the little time I have currently to play in my games. Dont be lazy.

Now I want an answer. How did Rishi and BM came to the conclusion how their lists worked? IIRC, they are both judges and there was a judge corruptor. So I agree that we probably have another prosecutor since my D2 list didnt work like their judge lists worked. Since Mirth was NKed yesterday and she was town then I can expect the other prosecutor to be the prosecutor corruptor.

(BTW I asked the mod and he told me that my list had worked and that RIshi and Natirasha wer both randomly inserted at the bottom of my list)

So this situation, where I have already claimed, is pretty much like a claimed cop with no counterclaims. Right?

So I want the other Prosecutor, to claim now. If I get lycnhed then you can see who was lying because I know Im the town prosecutor. Simple as that. Am I wrong?

[populartajo]

Why not? I thought you agreed with massclaim.

[populartajo]

I can start a debate here but (assuming Im scum) why shouldnt the town prosecutor countercliam?

[populartajo]

What about the other two judges? Are they inmune to NKs or am I missing something?
The point is that Im telling the truth but you dont want to listen even though. I dont care if Godot is a murderer or whatever. You're basing today's lynch in the fact that I got a bad name. How may games of mafia have you all played, huh?
All the people voting for me or subtly supporting my lynch (Sens and Matt) tell me why am I scum. A sentence would be enough.
As I already said if BM is town then the only thing scum needs to do is sit and delay time attacking a silly case like mine.
Now if you finally lynch me then you lynch the lying prosecutor tomorrow.
Agree?

[populartajo]

The other prosecutor should claim.

[populartajo]

The other prosecutor should claim.

Umm. The other prosecutor is dead.

Really, if you want to save yourself, you're going to have to figure out who is scummy, make a case and show that you care enough about this game to actually make an effort. Otherwise, my vote stays put.

No. Mirth is dead. She was the other townie prosecutor. Assuming you and BM are telling the truth about the lists and claims then its pretty obvious that we have a prosecutor corruptor since my list didnt work as your lists did. I was at the top and now BM is the defendant.
You can see my list and I already explained my motivations for picking the places. Since BM is the defendant today I can see the prosecutor corrupter puting him at the top of his list.
And I already talked why Matt seems the most obvious choice for scum. SensFan is sicnerely earning more points lately.

[populartajo]

You've accused me of active lurking, yet other people have fewer posts than me. Why do you suspect me over anyone else?

Like who?

[populartajo]

You've accused me of active lurking, yet other people have fewer posts than me. Why do you suspect me over anyone else?

Like who?

Cream, malthusis, Sensfan/SlySly, ChiefSkye?

You arent the only scum, Matt. Any comments about them?
As I said before I dont see Malthusis as scum since Joubert attacked him sincerely D1. Chiefsky is also absolutely townie in my book.
I supported a Cream lynch before and I can still support it.
I might need to reread Sensfan to find but he isnt going to well in my suspicions.
Rishi, BM and Natirasha have believable claims.
So whos left.
Yes Matt.
Can we at least pressure him?
And I still think the other prosecutor should claim. Theres no reason to lynch me until then.

[populartajo]

I doubt it.

Assuming it's like the judges(Which seems to be 2 town, 1 scum), then the other prosecutor is dead, and the only prosecutor not claimed is scum. And he would be stupid to counter-claim, because if we kill populartajo, then it will be revealed he is scum. Ergo, there will most likely be no counter.

Dont be silly. Obviously the scum prosecutor isnt going to counterclaim because all you are saying. Thats a bad play for him. So theres no reason to lynch me becuase Im the town prosecutor.
Thats why Im saying that if theres A TOWN PROSECUTOR then claim and secure my lynch. There arent going to be claims becuase theres no other town prosecutor besides me and Mirth.
This isnt too hard.

How can you judge whether it was sincere? And Joubert hardly mentions him at all.

Usually scum try to make cases about easy targets. Joubert didnt post much so I cant really see him bussing a partner in the few posts he had. He attacked mainly Mirth and then he tried with Malthusis.

When and how did this happen?

When he posted all the info he shared. Bad play if he were scum.

[populartajo]

I already explained why but here it goes again.
The position in the D1 list are semirandomn since I had no idea which would be the proceddure for picking the defendant. In fact I PMed Vollkan when I found out that the person I had put in top (Natirasha) wasnt the defendant. (The safest assumption was to think that the top person would be chosen as the defendant)
Vollkan said that it was a "preferential" list and that he had processed it.
Now babygirl, the defendant yesterday, was in the third spot in my D1 list. With the information I had, I put myself at top of the list, knowing

at that time

that I wasnt going to be picked as the defendant and I put my premier suspects in the second,third,fourth spot. Notice that Rishi and Natirasha were intented to be found at the bottom since they were semiconfirmed townies.
SPECULATION TIME.
However now we know that the picks are processed probably from three other lists, (2 town roles and 1 scum role) assuming we believe Rishi and BM.
That also confirms that WE HAVE ANOTHER PROSECUTOR since the top player of my list, me, isnt the defendant today.

BM and Rishi, just to clarify, can you repeat how did your lists worked?
I am asking that becuase I can see the prosecutor corrupter puting BM (annoying player if he's town) on the top of his list.

Im still waiting for counterclaims.
..........
Natirasha, whats the reasoning for liking Chiefsky recently?

[populartajo]

what makes you think the prosecutor corrupter has a list?

a)Mirth was a town prosecutor. I know Im a town prosecutor. We both make lists according to my PM to choose the defendant.
b)I put myself at the top of my list D2. But Im not the defendant. BM is the defendant.
LOGICAL CONCLUSION. Theres someone else messing with my lists. Since the other prosecutor is dead then theres a prosecutor that put you, BM, at the beginning of his list. Since I find impossible to be three townie prosecutors its extemely likely that we have a prosecutor corrupter that put you at the top og his list.
.............
Natirasha Rishi and Matt can you unvote? Theres no reason to vote me. Specially Matt. Look for another easy target. And if you all finally want to lynch me wait for counterclaims so that my dead isnt vain at all. Okthxbay.

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Non-Jurors:

**Battle Mage: (0/5)
malthusis: (0/5)
populartajo: (3/5) Matt_S, Natirasha, Rishi
SensFan: (0/5)

Jurors

ChiefSkye4: (0/4, 0/1)
Cream147: (0/4, 0/1)
Matt_S: (0/4, 1/1) populartajo
Natirasha: (0/4, 0/1)
Rishi: (0/4, 0/1)

Not Voting: (5/9) Battle Mage, malthusis, SensFan, ChiefSkye4, Cream147

Deadline for D2: Sunday August 10 at 12:00 pm GMT+10
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[populartajo]

Natirasha Rishi and Matt can you unvote? Theres no reason to vote me. Specially Matt. Look for another easy target.

Who do you propose is a easy target? (and no, I don't want to vote Matt).

I was telling Matt to look for another easy target.
Who do you suspect Malthuisis?

[populartajo]

Since I find impossible to be three townie prosecutors its extemely likely that we have a prosecutor corrupter that put you at the top og his list.

The odds of BM having the 'highest' ranking to be Defendant, given your list, is very poor, if indeed the Corrupter just makes a list akin to yours. He would practically have had to see your list, then sculpt his exactly to put BM in the hotseat.

So you dont still believe me.
............
This is the last time Im saying this. If you want to lynch to me then make sure the other prosecutor claim.

[populartajo]

Since I find impossible to be three townie prosecutors its extemely likely that we have a prosecutor corrupter that put you at the top og his list.

The odds of BM having the 'highest' ranking to be Defendant, given your list, is very poor, if indeed the Corrupter just makes a list akin to yours. He would practically have had to see your list, then sculpt his exactly to put BM in the hotseat.

Actually, can you explain the odds?

[populartajo]

a)Mirth was a town prosecutor. I know Im a town prosecutor. We both make lists according to my PM to choose the defendant.
b)I put myself at the top of my list D2. But Im not the defendant. BM is the defendant.
LOGICAL CONCLUSION. Theres someone else messing with my lists. Since the other prosecutor is dead then theres a prosecutor that put you, BM, at the beginning of his list. Since I find impossible to be three townie prosecutors its extemely likely that we have a prosecutor corrupter that put you at the top og his list.

I assume that Mirth, since she was killed during the Night, probably submitted a list as well. I see no reason why that list wouldn't have counted.

Natirasha Rishi and Matt can you unvote? Theres no reason to vote me. Specially Matt. Look for another easy target. And if you all finally want to lynch me wait for counterclaims so that my dead isnt vain at all. Okthxbay.

If you want me to unvote, then you can't also expect me to do the work for you. Who do you find suspicious? Who would you rather see lynched and why? I don't want to see BM lynched, and yours is the only wagon with any speed right now.

Matt. Prob SensFan. Both are having a hard time believing me and finding other targets. I posted a case against Matt some days ago.
Look Rishi. Being scum in this game with a default lynch is pretty simple if the defendant is town like BM seems to be. Lurk, push some other silly case and profit. This is all Matt has been doing since D1 and recently SensFan. To be honest, Joubert scum was lynched and he hadnt done anything scummy at all.
In fact, what about all posting a top suspects list?
You guys arent going to lynch a claimed prosecutor, are you? Make an effort too and scumhunt please.

[populartajo]

You guys arent going to lynch a claimed prosecutor, are you?

Oh, of course not. I mean, its not like Scum would ever fakeclaim prosecutor...

I dont see enough counterclaims, do you?

[populartajo]

Natirasha Rishi and Matt can you unvote? Theres no reason to vote me. Specially Matt. Look for another easy target. And if you all finally want to lynch me wait for counterclaims so that my dead isnt vain at all. Okthxbay.

I'm not going to unvote you ever if you use the "You'll be sorry" defense.

When did I use it? The only thing I was saying is that its dumb to lynch me when I am a confirmed role with no counterclaims.
........
Wheres Rishi and BM? Thats the way two "confirmed" townies behave? Am I making sense?
We have to lynch Matt. His relation with Joubert is too scummy.

[populartajo]

You guys arent going to lynch a claimed prosecutor, are you?

Oh, of course not. I mean, its not like Scum would ever fakeclaim prosecutor...

I dont see enough counterclaims, do you?

I have no reason to believe there are 2 Town prosecutors, or that it would work in a similar way that the Judges do.

Why can there be a judge corrupter and why cant there be a prosecutor corrupter?

[populartajo]

You guys arent going to lynch a claimed prosecutor, are you?

Oh, of course not. I mean, its not like Scum would ever fakeclaim prosecutor...

I dont see enough counterclaims, do you?

I have no reason to believe there are 2 Town prosecutors, or that it would work in a similar way that the Judges do.

Better question, do you think both Rishi and BM are telling the truth?

[populartajo]

The only thing I was saying is that its dumb to lynch me when I am a confirmed role with no counterclaims.

Confirmed? Since when?

We have to lynch Matt. His relation with Joubert is too scummy.

I wonder sometimes where you get your definition of scummy.

1. Im confirmed since there are no counterclaims. Do you see any?
2. Scummy : exactly what you, SensFan and Natirasha are doing. I have no idea why cant you believe me or dont look for other cases. I have already explained why you shouldnt lynch me and you keep pushing this silly case.
A question to you three:
Why am I scum?

[populartajo]

Vote populartajo

. If there's any objections to this lynch, speak up.

Yes. I AM A TOWN PROSECUTOR.
Since nobody is believing my Matt case Im going to

Unvote Vote : Chiefsky

BM is right about her last post. Thats what I meant with scum not caring about a game and lurking just to vote for the easy target.
Dont forget to lynch Matt maybe Sens tomorrow.
And I know I am not the only prosecutor becuase BM is the defendant today and he wasnt at the top of my list. (If thats even the way my list works)
And I assume that the scum prosecutor works that way because it wouldnt make sense to have it another way.
People you think I am scum for what? Im still not seeing it. And all that Matt said about me ARENT scumtells.
Wait, with Matt vote, did you just lynch me?

[populartajo]

Why am I scum?

Your insistence that babygirl was town for no good reason, and trying to push the jurors onto Cream for no good reason. And I'd also like to point out that you claimed to believe both Natirasha and Gorrad were scum, yet saw fit to push for Cream's wagon instead.

I had a reason to believe babygirl wasnt scum and its common sense.
I didint think babygirl was scum. I pushed a "more probable to find scum" case and I had a reason. How does that make me scum?
And about the Gorrad/Nat thing I cant push three cases at the same time. You are blaming me for the same thing all people are doing :"Yes, tajo is scum, ta da"
Nobody besides Rishi is scumhunting.
And I said. If you want to lynch me let the other prosecutor claim. Until then THERES NO REASON TO LYNCH ME.
Its like lynching a claimed cop.

[populartajo]

(If thats even the way my list works)

DON'T YOU EVEN KNOW YOUR CLAIMED ROLE?

NO. I SAID A MILLION TIMES VOLKAN PROCESSED IT.
ARE YOU READING THE THREAD?

[populartajo]

Aparently not. Sens, why am I scum?

[populartajo]

You should know 100% without a doubt how your role works. If you don't know, you should have asked Vollkan, instead of blindly submitting lists every Night.

And for fuck's sake, stop acting like you're fucking confirmed. Every time you do, it makes me even more happy with your vote. Hell, I am tempted to be happy lynching you, even if you are Town. I don't want anyone alive in an endgame scenario if they believe themselves to be confirmed, when all they did was not be counter-claimed WHEN ANOTHER PLAYER WITH THE SAME ROLE IS DEAD.

Oh...no, don't lynch me! You'll be very sorry if you lynch me, I promise!

[other posts]

Why? Uhhh...I'm the Cop!

[other posts]

Yes, I know Glork just died and was revealed as the Cop, BUT YOU CAN'T LYNCH A CLAIMED COP IF NO ONE COUNTERS!

[other posts]

Wait, why haven't you all unvoted?

[other posts]

I TOLD YOU IM CONFIRMED AND YOULL BE VERY VERY SORRY IF YOU LYNCH ME YOU CANT LYNCH A CLAIMED COP UNTIL THERES A COUNTER CLAIM!!1!!!111!!!one11!!shift!!11

This is an extreme exageration of what is happening in this game. Therea are TWO CLAIMED JUDGES AND A JUDGE CORRUPTOR. WHY CANT THERE BE TWO TOWN PROSECUTORS? And I did ask Vollkan about the lists. Want to know what the answer was?
NO ANSWER.
TELL ME WHY I AM SCUM BESIDES ALL THE TOTAL SHIT YOU ARE POSTING IN THIS GAME. NOW.

And Matt I apreciate what you are doing. I really hope its because you are town with an inexplicable headache. Can you point where I though Nat was scum? I remember I though Gorrad was my second suspect but I dont remember about Nat. I simply pushed Cream's because he was my top suspect.

[populartajo]

Just vote him. Now.

Otherwise, I will assume that you are against a tajo lynch.

I'd like to be able to keep up with this game for the remainder of the day without getting headaches, so I'll wait at least an IRL day before deciding. I don't let other people bully me into voting.

And Matt I apreciate what you are doing. I really hope its because you are town with an inexplicable headache. Can you point where I though Nat was scum? I remember I though Gorrad was my second suspect but I dont remember about Nat. I simply pushed Cream's because he was my top suspect.

Natirasha was above babygirl in your day 1 list, so you had to have suspected him at some point on day 1, even if you didn't say it at the time.

No. I sent Vollkan D1's list in night zero before the game even started. I already said that D1 list was random.
You guys arent reading what Im posting, are you?

[populartajo]

This is an extreme exageration of what is happening in this game. Therea are TWO CLAIMED JUDGES AND A JUDGE CORRUPTOR. WHY CANT THERE BE TWO TOWN PROSECUTORS? And I did ask Vollkan about the lists. Want to know what the answer was?
NO ANSWER.
TELL ME WHY I AM SCUM BESIDES ALL THE TOTAL SHIT YOU ARE POSTING IN THIS GAME. NOW.

Oh...no, don't lynch me! You'll be very sorry if you lynch me, I promise!

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Why? Uhhh...I'm the Doc!

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Yes, I know Glork just died and was revealed as the Doc, BUT YOU CAN'T LYNCH A CLAIMED DOC IF NO ONE COUNTERS!

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Wait, why haven't you all unvoted?

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BUT WAIT! PJ AND MITH ARE BOTH DEAD COPS! THAT PROVES THAT THERE ARE TWO DOCS, TOO!

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NO NO NO YOU CANT LYNCH ME IM CONFIRMED DOC BECAUSE THE FACT NO ONE ELSE IS COUNTERING ME AND THERES TWO DEAD COPS AND IF YOU LYNCH ME YOULL BE SORRY BECAUSE IM CONFIRMED AND YOu MUST BE SCUM TO EVEN THINK I MIGHT POSSIBLY NOT BE CONFIRMED!!11!!11one!!11shift!!!1

This doesnt explain why am I scum. You fail.

[populartajo]

I just reread Matt's post where he changed votes, and wow...talk about diverting the responsibility of the lynch. This line is what I'm talking about:

Your fate rests in Cream's hands.

VOTE MATT THEN.
PEOPLE YOU MAKE ME SICK.

Unvote Vote Matt

Im totally sure hes doing to get townie points.
I still cant believe you are lynching me. If there are two possible cops in a game then ITS EXTREMELY POSSIBLE that there are two docs in a game. This isnt too hard.

[populartajo]

If there are two possible cops in a game then ITS EXTREMELY POSSIBLE that there are two docs in a game. This isnt too hard.

How many games have you heard with 2 Cops?

Lots.

How many games have you heard with 2 Docs?

None?

When did we get the conclusion that prosecutor = doctor?
It was a fcking comparison.
I have no idea why SensFan wants me so dead. Oh yeah he isnt town. At least my lynch will give you something to work with, Rishi.

[populartajo]

I just reread Matt's post where he changed votes, and wow...talk about diverting the responsibility of the lynch. This line is what I'm talking about:

Your fate rests in Cream's hands.

Yeah, because at the time popular was at L-1, and yours was the only vote that could lynch him. Similarly, his fate now rests in my hands since everyone else is already voting for him. However, it angers me that few people tried to pursue anyone else. I've even tried to give you an out by voting ChiefSkye, but you don't even consider it. We should have done condorcet.

Vote populartajo

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Hamnmer? Bahgotown. One of the worst towns ever. Rly.

[populartajo]

This has been a horrible weekend for me. Check my other games for checking my level of posting.
For some reason Im still alive but however you still seem to think Im the lynch for the day.
As Ive said many times I am a town prosecutor. I send a list to Vollkan every night to pick the defendant. For some reason (possibly the prosecutor corruptor or CS action) my list didnt work as I sent it and Im not the defendant today.
Theres some things I dont understand
- The level of BM posting. You know theres something wrong when hes not inundating the thread with all his BMs.
- WHy did Chiefsky "protect" me?
- Why Matt, Natirasha and SensFan CANT think Im town. Look for a scum in this group.
- The level of contribution of Cream and Malthusis. Look for another scum in this group.
- Sensfan is a 2shot vig? Take in coun that he can be mafia since I dont think Mirth was a good target for NK that early.

I obviously dont want to be lynched. Im 100% sure that either Matt or Sensfan are scum but youa rent going to believe me.

Unvote Vote Chiefsky

Share the feeling that shes actively lurking like the perfect scum I talk about many pages ago.

Good luck town.

[populartajo]

We have no chance as far as I can see here. We've played it all wrong. I do have the time for this game, I really do! There have just been some...situations, in recent times. We are on the railroad to disaster. I thought voting Popular was the way to secure a non-BM lynch for today! It seems to not have done so.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guys?

[populartajo]

We have no chance as far as I can see here. We've played it all wrong. I do have the time for this game, I really do! There have just been some...situations, in recent times. We are on the railroad to disaster. I thought voting Popular was the way to secure a non-BM lynch for today! It seems to not have done so.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guys?

*raises eyebrows*

Yes?

You are scum, right?

[populartajo]

I'll get on a few hours before the deadline and make sure my vote is where it needs to be.

Holding you to this.

Rishi (or anyone else, really. Especially Tajo), who do you think I should Vig.

Kill Matt. If youre really the vig. Kill him. Have you noticed the way he likes and dislikes my lynch and explains it with a headache?

[populartajo]

Cream, if you have the time for this game then read me and then you'll realize that theres no REASON to think Im scum. Reread and find scum.

[populartajo]

Cream, if you have the time for this game then read me and then you'll realize that theres no REASON to think Im scum. Reread and find scum.

An actual defense would do better. You can't even keep up with your own logic. You don't recall ever suspecting Natirasha, but according to you, you believed both Natirasha and Gorrad were scum because they were above babygirl on your day 1 list. There's plenty of reason to like your lynch better than a BM lynch.

Plus, the only person we'd have a chance of lynching other than you would be Natirasha, since he doesn't seem to want to lynch ChiefSkye, one of the only alternatives. You have a few minutes before the hammer.

Unvote

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Im tired of defending myself.
MATT, MY D1 LIST WAS RANDOM. THE GAME HADNT STARTED. ALL THE POSITIONS IN THAT LIST MEAN NOTHING.
The majority of town have decided that my lynch isnt worthy. The only one going against everyone is Natirasha. I have no idea why.

[populartajo]

We're in the same situation than yesterday with the only difference that youre lynching a claimed town prosecutor. Ive already said that theres another prosecutor there. IM 100% SURE. Since we have two claimed judges, a vig, a prosecutor and a "defendant doctor" I suggest inmediate masslcaim. I know Matt and Cream are here.

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This is a sack of lies. You said yourself that you believed babygirl was chosen as the defendant because the people above her were scum. Guess who was above her? Natirasha and Gorrad. Now, you have no recollection of believing Natirasha was scum.

What? When did I say this? THIS IS A SACK OF LIES.

But I do have a choice of when I hammer him, and I'd rather do it in as epic a manner as possible, so I'm setting it up.

Yes. Hammer the claimed town prosecutor. Good game, scum.

For what purpose? I'll humor you for a while and await your answer.

You are scum. Ill let you think your claim.

[populartajo]

We're in the same situation than yesterday with the only difference that youre lynching a claimed town prosecutor. Ive already said that theres another prosecutor there. IM 100% SURE. Since we have two claimed judges, a vig, a prosecutor and a "defendant doctor" I suggest inmediate masslcaim. I know Matt and Cream are here.

You are missing something. There are 2 options here, and ONLY 2 options:

* Matt hammers you
* Matt 'hammers' BattleMage

If you were town I want Matt vigged tomorrow. Ok?

[populartajo]

We're in the same situation than yesterday with the only difference that youre lynching a claimed town prosecutor. Ive already said that theres another prosecutor there. IM 100% SURE. Since we have two claimed judges, a vig, a prosecutor and a "defendant doctor" I suggest inmediate masslcaim. I know Matt and Cream are here.

You are missing something. There are 2 options here, and ONLY 2 options:

* Matt hammers you
* Matt 'hammers' BattleMage

If Rishi and Natirasha turn up, we can make a miracle happen and turn around the lynch. I don't think it's very likely somehow.

Cream, claim now.

[populartajo]

We're in the same situation than yesterday with the only difference that youre lynching a claimed town prosecutor. Ive already said that theres another prosecutor there. IM 100% SURE. Since we have two claimed judges, a vig, a prosecutor and a "defendant doctor" I suggest inmediate masslcaim. I know Matt and Cream are here.

You are missing something. There are 2 options here, and ONLY 2 options:

* Matt hammers you
* Matt 'hammers' BattleMage

If you were town I want Matt vigged tomorrow. Ok?

EBWOP If you are town you would suspect Matt for wishy washyness about my lynch.

[populartajo]

Only if I had had a little more time for this game...
I hope my lynch gives the information all you guys need. Deadline is still tomorrow.

[populartajo]

This is a sack of lies. You said yourself that you believed babygirl was chosen as the defendant because the people above her were scum. Guess who was above her? Natirasha and Gorrad. Now, you have no recollection of believing Natirasha was scum.

What? When did I say this? THIS IS A SACK OF LIES.

Really? You had said before that the mod wouldn't put scum as a defendant in the first trial, and explained it with this:

Wait, better question. Why did you think that vollkan wouldn't put scum as the first defendant if you partially chose the first defendant?

Because I sent a list but Volkan changed it. I assumed Volkan had to mess with my list for some reason. I thought that maybe I had put a scum at the top of my list. Do you all want that I share my list?

It sure sounds like you thought Natirasha and Gorrad were scum.

Notice the maybe. Also it is (was) an hypothesis to find out why my list didnt work as Vollkan said. Notice the word assume. Now claim before you hammer.
2 hours, Sens? That will be enough, right Matt?

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The maybe part and the assuming doesn't change the fact that you believed it at one point. You constantly stated that the mod wouldn't place a scum defendant in the first trial, and you explained why you thought that after you claimed. Now again, what good will claiming do today when one of our jurors doesn't appear to be online?

I thought about it at one point but that doesnt mean its the right answer. To be honest we arent totally sure how the list thing works so I cant be 100% sure about it. Its what we call usully an hypothesys.
Now the "I dont think Vollkan placed a scum as a defendant" is another different option.
Theres nothing wrong with claiming at this point since almost everyone has. That way we can a)confirm you are scum or b)confirm you are scum.

And SensFan Im not talking to you.

[populartajo]

EBWOP
replace option with situation.

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Non-Jurors:

**Battle Mage: (0/5)
malthusis: (0/5)
populartajo: (4/5) Natirasha, Cream147, Rishi, ChiefSkye4
SensFan: (0/5)

Jurors

ChiefSkye4: (0/4, 2/1) SensFan, populartajo
Cream147: (0/4, 0/1)
Matt_S: (0/4, 1/1)
Natirasha: (0/4, 0/1)
Rishi: (0/4, 0/1)

Not Voting: (3/9) Battle Mage, malthusis, Matt_S,

Deadline for D2: Sunday August 10 at 12:00 pm GMT+10
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[populartajo]

The maybe part and the assuming doesn't change the fact that you believed it at one point. You constantly stated that the mod wouldn't place a scum defendant in the first trial, and you explained why you thought that after you claimed. Now again, what good will claiming do today when one of our jurors doesn't appear to be online?

I thought about it at one point but that doesnt mean its the right answer. To be honest we arent totally sure how the list thing works so I cant be 100% sure about it. Its what we call usully an hypothesys.
Now the "I dont think Vollkan placed a scum as a defendant" is another different option.
Theres nothing wrong with claiming at this point since almost everyone has. That way we can a)confirm you are scum or b)confirm you are scum.

And SensFan Im not talking to you.

So you hypothesized that Natirasha and Gorrad were scum. I'd consider that suspecting him. Now if you're going to try and be condescending, at least use proper spelling. Again, what will claiming today do that claiming tomorrow won't do better?

Im currently working. I usually use good spelling. Stop unfocusing the attention in your claim. You can hipothesize about million things but you already know that not all of them are right. Thats what happened with this list situation. Its possible but its not the ultimate truth. You are reading it too much.
You dont have a believable claim, do you? You dont have to worry since scum are going to kill Rishi tonight and Sensfan is either killing CS or you.

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5: If you get lynched or killed, you are dead. Post nothing; not even a “Bah!” post

Happy birthday!

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Good game town. I cant believe how right and how wrong I was at some points of the game.
And I told you there would be another prosecutor. If I had had a little more time to think maybe I would have defended myself better. I was thinking I could test Nat's claim with me, "channeling" Mirth for her role and checking it after with mine.
Thx for the game, Vollkan. It was fun.