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Mizzy wrote:It's page 3.I don't think anyone has any basis to think anyone is scum yet.unvote, Vote: Mizzy
You can definitely find reasons for early votes. You can't just throw early pages out the window because "it's the random voting stage." If someone doesn't find something out of it, it will never turn into anything useful.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
jdodge1019: vermont is made of liberal freaks and cows
jdodge1019: he's not a liberal
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It seemed to me like you were saying "Let's not worry about the early pages" when you said:
That seems to me to be saying that the early pages don't matter because it's hard to find scum during them. While that may be true, I feel that it's important to get out of the "random voting stage" as early as possible. Saying that it's page 3 and we have no basis to think anyone is scum is, to me, like saying that those pages don't matter very much and we shouldn't pay attention to them. So any misrepresentation of you was simply because that's how I viewed your post.Mizzy wrote:Damn, we went from fun little random votes to "I think such and such is scum and here's why." What the hell?It's page 3.I don't think anyone has any basis to think anyone is scum yet.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
jdodge1019: vermont is made of liberal freaks and cows
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Capricious, if you want to discuss it, then discuss it. And you definitely can't meta yourself based on that one game. I'mthisclose to voting you right now. I need to see some excellent contribution in order to keep from voting you.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
jdodge1019: vermont is made of liberal freaks and cows
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Ah, but if I had voted you would be calling me scummy for putting a fourth vote on you for little reason. If you had less than 3 votes on you currently, it would have been a vote, but putting you at L-2 at this point is a bit harshjdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
jdodge1019: vermont is made of liberal freaks and cows
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The key here is that you believe that. My feeling is that a wagon shouldn't get to L-2 unless someone is really scummy. You simply believing that the 2nd or 3rd vote is scummier doesn't mean that it's correct.Capricious wrote: this is false, contrary to popular opinion,I do not believeL-2 and L-1 votes are scummy just because they are L-2 and L-1. The scummiest votes,I believeare the keystone votes, the votes that propel the wagon to a point of no return. This may be even the 2nd or 3rd vote, or it may be a later vote.
I didn't vote for you previously because:
a) It would have been L-2
b) I didn't have a good, solid reason to get you to that point
I think that an L-2 vote should have good reasoning behind it, just because of how close it gets someone to a lynch.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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Since disagreeing/arguing always is distancingAndycyca wrote: Seriously, I don't see where Capri connects you, and the divergence of opinions between Capri and Y looks like distancing as much as the Capri/Cow pair.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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Adding to this discussion, while sometimes it is unavoidable to use WIFOM, townies should try their hardest to refrain from using it on purpose in any situation.
Adding a little something to andy's quote:
If you say something that you don't know is WIFOM and you state it, then other people can point it out. But if you throw in something purposefully, it ends up confusing the townies in a way that is similar to what mafia are trying to do. Simply, don't do that as a townie. If you do, it can be very scummy.andycyca wrote:And since WIFOM can be avoided, adding itpurposefullyis anti-town at its minimum.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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Caprcious's posts 192-195 are a load of crap. You can't seriously pass that off as the best contribution you can muster, in addition to 194 being full of Craplogic(TM). I'm very confident in you being scum, because if you were town, I feel you would have found other things to comment on besides just what you did. There has been lots of discussion since your previous posts, andthatis what you comment on?
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Can someone point me to the case against Andycyca? Because I really don't see it.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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Please re-read and note that two different people are attempting to move Andy's vote to 'Unvote' but don't. What other conclusion would you come to? It was my first thought after seeing that the flavor says that they couldn't move it.Skruffs wrote:How did you form that conclusion?
He's unvoted previously, when he unvoted and then voted Rotten Snitch.
So if it turns out that his vote IS immovable, you have a lot of explaining to do for knowing that for no reason.
Wow I'm in both flavor scenes.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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No lynch would definitely be bad, but the only person I'd be happy lynching is Capricious because he hasn't really contributed as much as I think he's capable of.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
jdodge1019: vermont is made of liberal freaks and cows
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I'm okay with lynching him because from his posts, what I've gathered is that he tries to say as little as possible while seeming to contribute. Let me pull out some examples:Mizzy wrote:hasdgfas: I can certainly see why you'd think that he can contribute more than he is/has, but can I ask why that makes you feel okay with lynching him? Seems like a bit of a cop-out lynch. Granted, any lynch is better than no-lynch, but I would seriously prefer going for a lynch and not a mis-lynch. Do you feel Capricious is scum? If not, why are you willing to lynch someone you don't think is scum?
Capricious wrote:Sir Tornado is in this game?Capricious wrote:I am confident RS and Mizzy are townCapricious wrote:Skruffs is also solid town
Then there are a bunch of posts that are, to me, full of crap:Capricious wrote:hi
Someone isCapricious wrote:Elmo is a good town for defending someone (me) for their vague comment:
"feel is the best and only basis there is" in spite of some lumped together turtles.townfor defending someone else's vague/strange comment?
A self-vote in addition to saying we should lynch Andy day 2, but he doesn't give any reasoning.Capricious wrote:Unvote, Vote: Capricious
need a lynch, but come to your senses and lynch Andycyca day 2Capricious wrote:"feel", what more is there?
This just makes no sense at all. Sounds like a scum cop-out to giving reasons to me.Capricious wrote:"feel" is the best and only basis there is.
So basically: Yes, I feel he's scum. He's been pushing an andycyca lynch without explaining why andy is scum. (A relatively common scum tactic from what I've seen, argument through repetition). Many of his posts have been extremely contentless when he could easily have contributed more in many of his posts. When he does contribute, his logic seems more like scumlogic than townlogic.
vote: Capriciousjdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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But you're not creatingCapricious wrote:pro-town people are creators, scum play tag-along/ are concludersanything.You're the one tagging along. Your big comment here just says that you're admitting to be scum.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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So Capricious, what exactly is your case on me? Are you only suspicious of me because I posted a large case on you? If not, could you point me towards your case on you if you have one?jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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Capricious still hasn't told us about his suspicions on myself or Zindaras, making me think that it's only there to look like he's contributing.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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A lynch is almostalwaysbetter than a no-lynch. That way you can analyze voting patterns and other things from the lynch. It also gives us less people to find the mafia from in later days. There are certain instances in which no lynch is good, Day 1 is never one of those instances.
Has Capricious claimed?jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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No offense Elmo, but are you reading the game? I posted my case on Capri when Mizzy asked for it a page or two ago.Elmo wrote: Eldarad, hasdgfas, Skruffs, I'd like ze case on Capri as justification for your votes from each of you.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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I always find it anti-town when someone says that the early pages aren't a basis for finding scum because that's a totally false statement. It's a perfectly legitimate reason for voting for someone. I find it scummy when someone says that. You may disagree, but I'm not budging on that issue.Capricious wrote:
No pro-town presence in this post. Had hascow only pointed out that he believes early pages are useful, it would be a null tell. But he didn't, he used this as an explanation for his vote. I see no reason to change votes to Mizzy just based on this. You can't honestly believe that if Mizzy were scum, she will throw her hands up and surrender on this issue, one that is a debatable one.hasdgfas wrote:Mizzy wrote:It's page 3.I don't think anyone has any basis to think anyone is scum yet.unvote, Vote: Mizzy
You can definitely find reasons for early votes. You can't just throw early pages out the window because "it's the random voting stage." If someone doesn't find something out of it, it will never turn into anything useful.
Hello Mr. Misrepresentation! I'm not antagonizing Mizzy, I'm talking to her about what I saw in her post. In case you didn't notice, she said something to me about it previously and how she didn't understand where I was coming from. I'm clarifying. Antagonizing?Capri wrote:
1st part: antagonizes Mizzy, tries to get town to feel that Mizzy is careless and scummyhasdgfas wrote:It seemed to me like you were saying "Let's not worry about the early pages" when you said:
That seems to me to be saying that the early pages don't matter because it's hard to find scum during them. While that may be true, I feel that it's important to get out of the "random voting stage" as early as possible. Saying that it's page 3 and we have no basis to think anyone is scum is, to me, like saying that those pages don't matter very much and we shouldn't pay attention to them. So any misrepresentation of you was simply because that's how I viewed your post.Mizzy wrote:Damn, we went from fun little random votes to "I think such and such is scum and here's why." What the hell?It's page 3.I don't think anyone has any basis to think anyone is scum yet.
2nd part: patches relationship up "simple misunderstanding"Seriously?
Strawman. Classic case. I never said this vote was based on contribution. Saying you're going to discuss something, then not discussing it is scummy, that's the reason that I said it the way I did. If you truly had something you were going to discuss, your following contribution would be excellent, which is why I was giving you the benefit of the doubt right now. I've seen people say that and come back with excellent contribution. I've also seen people say that and come back with total crap. If you're going to say that and not discuss it at that time, you need to come back with something good or it's scummy.Capricious wrote:
Establishes that hascow is voting based on contribution, not who he feels is scum.hasdgfas wrote:unvote
Capricious, if you want to discuss it, then discuss it. And you definitely can't meta yourself based on that one game. I'mthisclose to voting you right now. I need to see some excellent contribution in order to keep from voting you.
Again, antagonizing? Seriously? According to this, anytime people disagree, it's antagonizing the other person.Capri wrote:
Again:hasdgfas wrote:Ah, but if I had voted you would be calling me scummy for putting a fourth vote on you for little reason. If you had less than 3 votes on you currently, it would have been a vote, but putting you at L-2 at this point is a bit harsh
1st part: antagonizes Cap, tries to make town believe that he erred
2nd part: patches relations up
I really hate it when people call it "distancing" every time that two people disagree and get into a discussion/argument in-thread. It's not always distancing, it can sometimes be a townie arguing with a townie or a townie arguing with a scum. Yes, sometimes it can be scum arguing with scum, but your basis behind calling it distancing shouldn't be just an argument.Capricious wrote:
Honesty shines through in this post. Of course, he wasn't distancing himself from me, and he feels righteous to point this out.hasdgfas wrote:
Since disagreeing/arguing always is distancingAndycyca wrote: Seriously, I don't see where Capri connects you, and the divergence of opinions between Capri and Y looks like distancing as much as the Capri/Cow pair.
People who make posts like that are actively lurking. They make it look like they're contributing by saying that they'll contribute soon, but often, the other players just forget about it and let them continue refusing to contribute. While it's done by both scum and town, my feeling is: If you make a post in-thread, it should have some game discussion in it. I'm not a perfect example of this, but I try.Capricious wrote:
Purpose for this?hasdgfas wrote:
I hate it when people do this.Zindaras wrote:POst tomorrow.
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I haven't seen a case on him. How exactly is that buddying up? Other players have said that as well.Capricious wrote:
Easy way to buddy uphasdgfas wrote:Caprcious's posts 192-195 are a load of crap. You can't seriously pass that off as the best contribution you can muster, in addition to 194 being full of Craplogic(TM). I'm very confident in you being scum, because if you were town, I feel you would have found other things to comment on besides just what you did. There has been lots of discussion since your previous posts, andthatis what you comment on?
vote: Capricious
Can someone point me to the case against Andycyca? Because I really don't see it.
False blanket statement. Scum often defend a player's vague comment so that player can have a warm, fuzzy feeling about the scum later. I believe it's called "buddying up." Something you happened to accuse me of doing, as a matter of fact. Why are you exempt from it but when I do something that can barely be called buddying up at all, you use it as a case against me?Capricious wrote: Yes someone is town for defending another town's vague comment. At the time, it would be putting themselves in the spotlight to be a lawyer to another play, particular when a number of players had already expressed disdain and confusion toward the comment. He was risking having to explain himself for it. Scum prefer to avoid.
Naming several players who are solid town is a bad scum play? I disagree, it's good scum play, because it can often get townies to post who they think are the most town, leading to an easier NK for the scum. It's bad town play for the same reason.Capricious wrote: Incidentally, hascow's examples of my contributions are nice, I have named several players who I feel are solid town, a bad scum play without me even being prompted to do so.
But when you have no reasoning behind it, that's simply not the case at all. It can barely even be considered contribution because you're not providing background. I can say "I'm confident [insert name here] is scum" like I did a few posts ago about you. However, Mizzy wanted more of a case with actual reasons. You need reasons for it to actually be useful. In fact, saying that in that way is something that scum would be more likely to do because they know who is town, and could say it while being correct.Capricious wrote:I will argue that the eight words "I am confident RS and Mizzy are town" hold more contribution in them than half of this game.
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Thanks for strawmanning again, Capricious. I'm not voting you because you're self-voting. I have other reasons behind it. Elmo didn't appear to have any so I called him out on it.Capricious wrote:
Interesting how he is voting for a self-voter, what could possibly have caused the shift in opinion?hasdgfas wrote:voting for a self-voter, eh elmo? How often do you find them to be scum?jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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Right, which is what I was responding to in the post Capricious quoted, but he seemed to think I was antagonizing you. I totally understand where you're coming from now.Mizzy wrote:
Except that I didn't say that the early pages aren't basis for scumhunting; I said I didn't think that anyone could sayhasdgfas wrote:I always find it anti-town when someone says that the early pages aren't a basis for finding scum because that's a totally false statement. It's a perfectly legitimate reason for voting for someone. I find it scummy when someone says that. You may disagree, but I'm not budging on that issue.for surewho is scum and who isn't on page 3.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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Yes, it is mostly stupid, but I've seen both scum and town do it to try to avoid a lynch, so while we shouldn't necessarily vote someone for self-voting, we shouldn't necessarily get off someone's case because they've self-voted to get them closer to a lynch.Mizzy wrote:
Eh, I've seen just as many town do it as scum. It's stupid, and not terribly pro-town, but that doesn't make it scummy in my eyes, I suppose.eldarad wrote:It's a policy lynch/lynch policy in the sense that I think self-voting is an indicator of being scum, and my policy is to lynch scum.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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Yosarian2 wrote:Capri needs to answer my question ASAP, and if he wants to claim he should do it now. We're going to screw up and miss a deadline eventually, we don't have time to waste here.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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Capri is at L-2 and we're in the deadline block. If he doesn't claim, we're just prolonging this for no reason. If he claims something we believe, we have time to find someone else to lynch. Prolonging it, while supposedly helping us have more discussion, just seems to be. "Hi, where's Capri?" That's not helping anyone. He needs to claim so we can get somewhere.Rotten Snitch wrote: I DISLIKE how you are asking if Capri has claimed. We have been making the deadline so far each time and as far as I know. In post 347 you are looking for a claim and it is no where near the chopping block for Capri yet.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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To me, it appears the Capri really doesn't care about defending himself, or he'd be doing more of it. I'm already voting him, or I'd probably hammer. Hestillhasn't claimed, and he definitely needs to do that to, IMO, have any chance of avoiding the noose.
Although this is an interesting deadline mechanic, it gets less fun when it turns into what we have here, a bunch of people pretty much showing up saying that more people need to say something.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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Except that there haven't really been other people who are doing those same things. If you could provide examples of people who are doing the same thing, maybe it would help your point a bit more.Mizzy wrote:
But the same can be said for other people in this game, too...lurking, posting no content, making shit up to drive suspicion on other targets...which has been my point all along. You guys held Capri to a standard that you won't hold anyone else to. You said he was scummy for it, but what about everyone else who's done it, too? It's all hypocritical.Y wrote:
Lurking isn't scummy? Using wrong/baseless accusations to put suspicion on people isn't scummy? What about not adding real info for discussion, while trying to appear as if he does?Mizzy wrote:According to Y's post, the major driving force behind lynching Capri was because he was doing some stupid shit. Not that he was doing scummy shit. What gives with that? If we lynched every moron, we'd have more ghost-towns than anything.
You can't say he wasn't scummy. I saw him doing the same mistakes he did here when he was my scum partner. What I got from his play style (And you can clearly see it in post 38), is that he tries to get rid of the stronger players and remain with the weaker ones. You can definitely see that in Newbie 546 (Post 106 on that game, in particular).
Making things up to drive suspicion isscummy. There needs to be something concrete there and Capri wasn't giving us good reasons to suspect people.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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Andy's hammer: bad, but understandable. I'm not saying it's excusable, but it's understandable. I really wish he had provided reasoning as to why he thought Capri was scum and/or needed to be lynched instead of simply hammering.
a fatwa is what now?
This was supposed to be in my last post but disappeared:
skruffs: Seriously? You find people to be buddying because they don'tquoteeach other? That is probably one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Why is it necessary for each person to directly address each other person, anyway?
471 I need to read a couple more times, but it's quite interesting to me as of right now.
This was supposed to be in the last post too:
Mizzy's attitude towards the people on the Capricious lynch is really scummy to me. Mizzy wasn't doing anything to get a lynch, and it looked like she wanted to no-lynch, which wouldn't have helped anyone except the scum. She wasn't doing anything to get the wagon off of Capri either. She didn't have another target for us. To me, it seemed like she wanted to be off-wagon so as not to come under suspicion and so she could hold it over our heads today, while she was actually fine with Capri getting lynched because she's scum and knew he was town. If she actually was serious about not wanting him lynched, she could have provided another option for us instead of saying "he's town, don't lynch him" then today saying "I told you so" which is actually a scumtell and leads me to aFoS: Mizzy
I thought I had posted more in this game recently Plus, the plethora of insanely large posts recently makes me a bit wary of perusing them, because I don't want to take that kind of time.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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Mizzy, maybe the reason you're coming under suspicion is because you deserve it. Sometimes the "easy" target can be the right target. Going after someone you find scummy is what you're supposed to do, no matter how many other people find them scummy. "I told you so" is most definitely a valid scumtell. I've caught people from it before, so calling it crap is wrong.
413 is not really that good of a post. Again, examples. Otherwise, it doesn't seem like you're doing anything to get the wagon off of him.
445 is pretty much the same thing. You're stating your opinion. I don't see you doing anything to move the wagon away from him. It seems like you just want to say that you don't like the lynch, but don't actuallydoanything to get it off of him other than say that you don't like it.
Wait, so first you say that we haven't held others to the same standard, and then you say that they've both been under fire for it? Which is it, exactly? Also, quoted examples would be lovely.Mizzy wrote:
RS and Skruffs have actually both done it and have both been under fire for it. If you would like some quoted examples, let me know...I'll takehasdgfas wrote:Except that there haven't really been other people who are doing those same things. If you could provide examples of people who are doing the same thing, maybe it would help your point a bit more.
Making things up to drive suspicion isscummy. There needs to be something concrete there and Capri wasn't giving us good reasons to suspect people.
some time and go back and grab them.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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You weren't onMizzy wrote:The case against me consists of one real point...the fact that I was not on the wagon that mislynched a townie. Not a very strong case, honestly. I thought you were better than that, Has.anywagon. You didn't vote for anyone at the end of day 1. While you may think there's only one real point, I feel there are multiple points.
You weren't on the wagon, which really isn't my main point at all.
You weren't voting for anyone, which, especially with these deadline rules, is a vote for no-lynch, not what we want to do at all.
The "I told you so." You may not like it, but it is scummy.
You really didn't try to get the wagon to go anywhere else. If you want people to not lynch someone, get the pressure off of them by applying it to someone else. Sitting back saying "he's town, he's town" won't help at all. Sorry.
You may think my reasons are crap, and you're entitled to your opinion on them for sure, but don't misrepresent the case by saying there's only one main real point, when there are multiple real points, even though they may not be ones that you agree with.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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Somewhat in-depth analysis of 471:
An excellent point. They are technically the only necessary lynches. I agree that it wasn't a necessary lynch. Capricious was my main suspect, however, so I thought it was a good lynch, especially since he didn't seem to care enough to defend himself.Zindaras wrote: You're not particularly hypocritical, I just see you claiming that Andy's lynch was "necessary", when I see it completely and utterly differently. The only necessary lynches are scum lynches.
Interesting observation. It is true, from what I can see, and not really a good thing to be doing at all. Since there's no "hard deadline" in this game from what I can tell, you still can try to convince people to switch suspects if you don't like the wagon of choice at the time. Don't just resign yourself to the lynch of someone that you think is time because "it's necessary." It isn't. Make a good case on someone else and a better lynch can happen.Zindaras wrote:You see, I see you saying that no other lynch was going to happen, but I see you claiming you would've preferred someone else. I see Skruffs saying that he's just ensuring a Day 1 lynch. I see Y claiming Capri's not his main suspect. I see Andy, where I'm not sure what he was thinking.
Interesting again. It seems like just because the most discussion was about Capricious before the deadline insanity votes, that was why Capricious was the one chosen. Those who just jumped on to ensure a lynch could probably have convinced the town to jump onto a different suspect if there was a good case, but nobody seemed to care enough. I wonder why that is.Zindaras wrote: But, if you look at the "real" vote count, you see something interesting (before Andy's hammer):
2 Capricious (eldarad, hasdgfas)
1 Andycyca (Elmo)
1 hasdgfas (Capricious)
1 Mizzy (Skruffs)
1 Skruffs (Y)
1 Y (Zindaras)
4 Unvote (Mizzy, Rotten Snitch, Andycyca, Yosarian2)
I have no idea where you would've put your vote because I don't think you ever said anything about your main suspect (and I'm skimming because I want sleep), but, basically, the people who just wanted to assure a lynch? They're the ones who got Capricious killed.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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Interesting. The people who jumped onto the Capri wagon with pretty much no reasoning are less scummy than eldarad and I, who had both been voting him for a while, and , coincedentally(sp?), are both suspicious of you right now.Mizzy wrote:Oh, and just so everyone knows, here's my current scumdar, on a scale of 1 to 10 where 10 is scummy and 1 is town:
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Mizzy, if you're trying to say that he's being overdefensive, just stop and get off of that line of thought.Mizzy wrote:Oooh, Skruffs is on the defense when there was no attack. Why so jumpy?jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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Just because it doesn't look like attacking to you doesn't mean it's not.Mizzy wrote:
Like I said before, if I were attacking someone, you'd see FoSes and votes from me. Just because you say what I am doing is attacking doesn't make it so.Y wrote:That's my point: You're saying that, while doing the opposite.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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Hey, no. Try again. This is a terrible post. First off, we have plenty of time. People aren't voting because there's good discussion going on right now. Why do you think we're going to no-lynch? Do you not like the discussion that's currently going on? I think it's very useful.Yosarian2 wrote:Anyway, we need to wagon someone, and we need to do it now, we've got no time. Why are so many people not voting? Are people so afraid of another bad bandwagn that we're just going to no-lynch today? What the heck?
I'm still thinking either Rotton Snitch or eldarad is fine. I'm actually a bit more suspicious of Rotton Snitch at the moment
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I don't really like the Mizzy wagon, but we need to move SOMEWHERE. Everyone needs to get in here and vote, and they need to do it now.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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Yes, you quoted it later in this post.Zindaras wrote:
Recheck, did you respond to this?hasdgfas wrote:471 I need to read a couple more times, but it's quite interesting to me as of right now.
Yesterday, today?Zindy wrote:
What do you think of Rotten Snitch's non-voting?This was supposed to be in the last post too:
Mizzy's attitude towards the people on the Capricious lynch is really scummy to me. Mizzy wasn't doing anything to get a lynch, and it looked like she wanted to no-lynch, which wouldn't have helped anyone except the scum. She wasn't doing anything to get the wagon off of Capri either. She didn't have another target for us. To me, it seemed like she wanted to be off-wagon so as not to come under suspicion and so she could hold it over our heads today, while she was actually fine with Capri getting lynched because she's scum and knew he was town. If she actually was serious about not wanting him lynched, she could have provided another option for us instead of saying "he's town, don't lynch him" then today saying "I told you so" which is actually a scumtell and leads me to aFoS: Mizzy
It's only a scumtell if they do it merely for getting a lynch, the way a couple of them did. Those who voted for Capri who didn't find them scummy and who also didn't give good explanations should absolutely be scrutinized. Yosarian's explanation was acceptable to me, but the others haven't really given good reasons for why they felt they needed to vote for Capri.Zindaras wrote:
I can hardly disagree with your observations, but I'd so like to hear just a little more than this. Do you think that, given this, it is truely so odd to go crack down somewhat on the people who didn't actually put their money where their mouth was? Do you think that is a scumtell? Then what do you think of Skruffs/Y/Yosarian?hasdgfas wrote:Somewhat in-depth analysis of 471:
An excellent point. They are technically the only necessary lynches. I agree that it wasn't a necessary lynch. Capricious was my main suspect, however, so I thought it was a good lynch, especially since he didn't seem to care enough to defend himself.Zindaras wrote: You're not particularly hypocritical, I just see you claiming that Andy's lynch was "necessary", when I see it completely and utterly differently. The only necessary lynches are scum lynches.
Interesting observation. It is true, from what I can see, and not really a good thing to be doing at all. Since there's no "hard deadline" in this game from what I can tell, you still can try to convince people to switch suspects if you don't like the wagon of choice at the time. Don't just resign yourself to the lynch of someone that you think is time because "it's necessary." It isn't. Make a good case on someone else and a better lynch can happen.Zindaras wrote:You see, I see you saying that no other lynch was going to happen, but I see you claiming you would've preferred someone else. I see Skruffs saying that he's just ensuring a Day 1 lynch. I see Y claiming Capri's not his main suspect. I see Andy, where I'm not sure what he was thinking.
Interesting again. It seems like just because the most discussion was about Capricious before the deadline insanity votes, that was why Capricious was the one chosen. Those who just jumped on to ensure a lynch could probably have convinced the town to jump onto a different suspect if there was a good case, but nobody seemed to care enough. I wonder why that is.Zindaras wrote: But, if you look at the "real" vote count, you see something interesting (before Andy's hammer):
2 Capricious (eldarad, hasdgfas)
1 Andycyca (Elmo)
1 hasdgfas (Capricious)
1 Mizzy (Skruffs)
1 Skruffs (Y)
1 Y (Zindaras)
4 Unvote (Mizzy, Rotten Snitch, Andycyca, Yosarian2)
I have no idea where you would've put your vote because I don't think you ever said anything about your main suspect (and I'm skimming because I want sleep), but, basically, the people who just wanted to assure a lynch? They're the ones who got Capricious killed.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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I feel like RS has had plenty of good reasons to vote for someone. He's expressed suspicion of multiple people. I'm feeling like he just wants to throw suspicion around without being accused of something if a lynch happens. I'm not reading really closely to get this conclusion, but it seems that way to me by glancing over his posts.Zindaras wrote:
Both.Yesterday, today?
Why am I not voting? I can't decide whom to vote for right now. I was going to vote Mizzy, but I've seen other things today that make me think differently. It's not an anti-town move necessarily to not vote.Yosarian2 wrote:hasdgfas, I still would like you to explain why you would see a mod post saying we have half a week until deadline and your reaction is to actually attack me for trying to encourage people to vote, and to tell me we have "pleanty of time". Why aren't you voting, exactally? Do you really think that you not voting for anyone right now is the correct pro-town move for you to do in this situation?
The reason we still have plenty of time is the fact that the deadline mechanic just means we have to talk in order to not no-lynch. We can make this day as long as we want it to be by talking.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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I agree with Yosarian2. This was the feeling I've gotten from him as well. Something is off.Yosarian2 wrote:
Newb, yeah, but more likely newb scum then newb town I think. His day 1 stuff was very wishy washy and noncomittal, makes me feel like he wanted to support the Capi wagon without being a part of it, and the only time he's done anything day 2 has been generally in response to being attacked, and none of it really feels right to me.Zindaras wrote: A quick skim of Yossy's case on Snitch doesn't really convince me, I'm mostly getting complete newb vibes from him.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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Mizzy, which do you find more likely for each of them? Annoying pro-towner or scum?Mizzy wrote:
You understand the ancient art of pleasing pissy women!Zindaras wrote:Well, yeah, but we're used to people with too many male hormones, not to people with too many female hormones.
Besides, I'm pretty sure you're not a terror in real life. Just terrific. ^_^
Anyway, back to scumhunting. I'm still undecided about Rotten Snitch and Skruffs both. As you all might remember, RS had grabbed my attention early on for his and Skruffs' odd dynamic, which started from Skruffs pulling needless RL meta information into the game and RS seemed to feel the need to distance the two of them. Certain things do stand out, especially D2, and I definitely could see a RS/Skruffs pairing. I can also see, though, both of them being annoying pro-towners. That's why they are still "undecided" on my scumdar list.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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Skruffs, in case you haven't noticed, since then there have been lots of ridiculously long posts. Those are hard to get through quickly, especially when it's the last week of classes and then finals week. I apologize for not contributing, but I don't really have enough time right now to fully read every post recently. I'm not trying to lurk, but it's really hard when you have to read mini-essays every other post and study for finals.Skruffs wrote:COW
Your last input into the game was over a week ago, when you asked Mizzy if me or Rotten Snitch was more likely annoying pro-town or scum. You did not follow up and have (thankfully) been posting almost every day but haven't been contributing jack. You didn't post yesterday. If you don't pump up your act a bit I am going to think that ALL of the players currently arguing are all pro-town and you're just watching us attack each other. Don't be a scummy lurker.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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All right, I've got a couple things to say since I just did a mini-reread of stuff since my last "real" post. This is mostly going to be about RS, just as a heads-up. I'm writing it right now. I'll post what I can in a little while.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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All right, I've got a couple things to say since I just did a mini-reread of stuff since my last "real" post. This is mostly going to be about RS, just as a heads-up. I'm writing it right now. I'll post what I can in a little while.
RS post 44 is pretty much full of craplogic. So what if Yosarian hasn't actually convinced anyone else to vote for you? He's voting for you, yet you accuse him of trying to piggyback? That makes no sense at all.
RS post 46. Please don't post inside the quote. It makes it much, much harder to read your points. But anyway, I don't really like this post either. He says that Yosarian jumped onto Capri quickly, but he didn't. Yos gave Capri plenty of time to defend himself before voting for him and yet you accuse him of jumping on quickly? No. Nice try though. Yos hasn't attacked you? Are you seriously trying for that? An accusation is an attack, and he's been accusing you a lot. You're defending yourself, but he's picking apart your posts. That's what he's supposed to do.
RS post 57. Again, don't post inside the quote. Wishy-washy can be quite scummy, because it makes you think that you don't have opinions on people. OMGUS isn't scummy when you have good reasons behind it, but you really didn't, so it just looks bad.
RS post 60. Unnecessary claim and scummy.
Therefore,vote: RS
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eldarad, I really hate when people do the "I'll post real content tomorrow." I'm not saying I haven't been guilty of that, but people have wanted you to respond for a few days now. Why couldn't you just split this up into multiple parts so you could get at least a few things out?jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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This is total crap. I'm liking a lynch of you again, just like yesterday.Rotten Snitch wrote:LOL what's wrong Yos…night killing me didn't work?
Zindy - I do not know why we went to deadline no-lynch. Looking back at the thread we were at 3/5 and then within 20 minutes of Ether’s post Andy and Skruffs posted.
Ether said we had 4 more hours until deadline but I was under the impression we made deadline.
I think (but could be corrected by Ether) that it was a present to us. No lynch and no night actions maybe? Now we are kind of back at day 2 again and we do not have a deadline looming.
If this is the case then thank you Ether
Major FoS: RSwould be a vote, but that'd be L-2 on the first day of day 3, and I'm not sure we want that.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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Rs: why, why, why, why, why, why?
Evidence please. What it looks like to me is that you believe they're scum because they believe you are. Bring out some quotes and search through them to find what's suspicious about them, because I believe them much more than you at this point.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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Are you saying you're scum?Rotten Snitch wrote: Has- I know you believe them much more than me. Which is good!
RS, if you care about the town and want the town to win, you should be able to find enough comments to make a case on one of Mizzy/Yos. I have things to do in life as well, but I try to at least find a few things to say when accusing people.RS wrote: Unfortunately, this has been a very fun game for me and I really love Mafia Scum but I am not about to wade through 850 posts (151 alone of just Mizzy’s) and burn and hour or more of my life to find quotes that can pinpoint my gut feeling. Which they will end up picking apart and will probably change nothing. Again going on gut here. Sorry. I know this may make me seem even scummier and my motives to the best of my knowledge right now are very pro-town believe it or not. Nothing but endgame conversation can show if my gambit played off.
Also, what gambit?jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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....Skruffs wrote:Yup! And it also means that if scum noticed one or two players idle at that point, they could have no killed to set up a wifom. I'm kind of sad that you would push the point.
Well, we also had a Gaoler die. While we don't know what the scumgroup(s) are composed of, since we've had a maximum of one death pernight, we can assume at this point only one group since there's been nothing to contradict that. If there are 2 deaths some night, we can think about it again, but at this point why are you on mizzy for this?Skruffs wrote: I agree that it is likely to be a 3 person scum group, but considering the only roles revealed have been townies, there's no way to say WHAT we are arguing against, so.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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bad idea, RS. Not saying anything helps the scum A LOT more than whatever it is that you might say.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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