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Vote Xylthixlmfor having an unpronounceable name.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I see.Xylthixlm wrote:
ZIL-thick-selm.Matt_S wrote:Vote Xylthixlmfor having an unpronounceable name.Vote Matt_Sfor voting me for an untrue reason.Unvote, Vote Xylthixlmfor having a weird avatar then.
And I (re)learned the capital of Australia today. Google saved me from getting dayvigged.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Xylthixlm, what Incognito and Jitsu said. I have nothing more to add really. I don't see how you can argue for arbitrary daykills over lynches.
And how'd the dayvig joke turn into a semiserious discussion?Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I guess that's the end of that one.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I've had trouble seeing which votes were serious and which weren't. Until the last page I thought the Erg0 wagon was just joke votes, but Guardian seems serious about it. So in response to his request, I don't think the Erg0 wagon is good. You're voting him because he won't disclose if he can dayvig and for his joke posts. The only reason people want him to claim is because he made an obvious joke, and people are taking it too far. As for someone more deserving of votes, I think Guardian is really pushing it.
Unvote Xylthixlm, Vote Guardian
Erg0 talks about wanting someone to hang. You can either take him seriously or you can go with it being a joke. I don't see any reason to do the former at this moment. The fact that you find it suspicious really makes me curious, though. You seem to want Erg0 to die, so why shouldn't we find that suspicious?
While I find it a little odd for Erg0 to not confirm or deny a dayvigging ability, it's understandable to not want to claim an ability. It's always to his advantage to deny it, since claiming gets him nightkilled. However I don't see why he doesn't just deny it. Even if he can, it doesn't hurt the town to deny it. I don't consider that to fall under "lynch all liars".
I've interpreted Oman's posts as jokes, so I'm not going to vote or FoS yet. I am a little curious about the seemingly serious manner he fake daykilled in. For now, I'm just interpreting that as mixing serious comments and joke comments. From now on, all jokes must have smileys after them.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Guardian: You're voting someone for joking. I'm voting you because of that. You succeeded at starting a discussion, which seems to be your goal. Once there's a better vote, I'll unvote you, but for now it stays. You've been asking people to try and argue against the Erg0 bandwagon when I don't see a legitimate reason for there to even be a bandwagon.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Maybe it's just me, but I'm not finding Oman's bandwagoning helpful.FoS Oman.It's easy to say "I was trying to help", but I don't believe it right now.
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Erg0 - 3 (Adel, Guardian, Oman)
Matt_S - 2 (ChaosOmega, Xylthixlm)
Oman - 2 (Erg0, Jitsu)
pickemgenius - 2 (TrustGossip, Incognito)
Guardian - 2 (opie, Matt_S)
TrustGossip - 1 (pickemgenius)
Not voting - 0 (nobody)
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
Deadline for D1: Saturday March 1, 10:55AM GMT+10
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Not a wagon on Oman. I mean Oman admittedly trying to wagon Erg0.pickemgenius wrote:
I was unaware of an Oman wagon, or there really being any wagon for that matter...it's not hard to keep track of this....ofcourse you could say 3 is a bandwagon... i modestly disagree with that.Matt_S wrote:Maybe it's just me, but I'm not finding Oman's bandwagoning helpful.FoS Oman.It's easy to say "I was trying to help", but I don't believe it right now.
I don't really like this post, it doesn't really say much.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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There's not a problem per se, but he says the reason is to start discussion. There's much better ways to get a discussion going. His reason sounds to me like an excuse to justify the bandwagon.pickemgenius wrote:
Is there a problem with Oman trying to start a wagon on Erg0?Matt_S wrote:
Not a wagon on Oman. I mean Oman admittedly trying to wagon Erg0.pickemgenius wrote:
I was unaware of an Oman wagon, or there really being any wagon for that matter...it's not hard to keep track of this....ofcourse you could say 3 is a bandwagon... i modestly disagree with that.Matt_S wrote:Maybe it's just me, but I'm not finding Oman's bandwagoning helpful.FoS Oman.It's easy to say "I was trying to help", but I don't believe it right now.
I don't really like this post, it doesn't really say much.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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As in bandwagoning a random person? I don't like that. Like you said, different people consider different things a bandwagon. I got the impression that Oman wanted the wagon on Erg0 to get bigger than the 3 votes it had, and I'm not comfortable with doing that just to get a random wagon going.pickemgenius wrote:Matt_S wrote:
There's not a problem per se, but he says the reason is to start discussion. There's much better ways to get a discussion going. His reason sounds to me like an excuse to justify the bandwagon.pickemgenius wrote:
Is there a problem with Oman trying to start a wagon on Erg0?Matt_S wrote:
Not a wagon on Oman. I mean Oman admittedly trying to wagon Erg0.pickemgenius wrote:
I was unaware of an Oman wagon, or there really being any wagon for that matter...it's not hard to keep track of this....ofcourse you could say 3 is a bandwagon... i modestly disagree with that.Matt_S wrote:Maybe it's just me, but I'm not finding Oman's bandwagoning helpful.FoS Oman.It's easy to say "I was trying to help", but I don't believe it right now.
I don't really like this post, it doesn't really say much.
How else are you supposed to start convo, then with a good ol random BW?Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Mod: I unvoted Xylthixlm, but you have me as voting for Guardian and him.
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Yeah, it gets lots of discussion, but I don't think trying to make a random bandwagon is the best way to do it. It certainly wouldn't be the first thing I'd try. Seems to be putting him in the spotlight more than Erg0, which I doubt was his intention.pickemgenius wrote: But would you not agree that starting random wagons springboard discussion? L-3 L-2 even on an early random BW isn't all that bad.
As for opie, he does seem to be trying pretty hard, referencing all the posts and whatnot, but I don't think that's voteworthy by itself.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Random votes that don't bring a person close to being lynched. In my eyes the bandwagoners get more negative attention than the person being bandwagoned. Or nice, logical arguments against someone. Bandwagoning is sometimes good, and random voting is alright, but I dislike a combination of the two.Jitsu wrote:@Matt: If you don't support random bandwagons to promote discussion, what do you prefer instead?
Notice how I said infer. You wanted to bandwagon someone to make discussion, so I inferred that you wanted more people to vote Erg0 to get stuff going. I'm presenting my opinion, which is discussion.Oman wrote: Please link or quote where I said this. No, seriously. What you infer from my posts is not my fault.
Unless I believe in the argument against a person, I defend them. You got people talking, which is exactly what you wanted, but that doesn't mean I believe in your methods.Oman wrote:I am hereby connecting Erg0 with Matt_S.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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1. If I didn't see anything to argue about yet, I'd just random vote. If I don't see anything scummy yet then I don't push anything.Adel wrote: And what would you base you preferred nice & logical arguments on in an absence of any behavior to analyze?
Why do you think getting negative attention is a bad thing for a player to do, even if more substancial attention is the result?
Is random bandwagoning really scummy enough to be worth a vote?
Who is more likely to randomly bandwagon a player, tow or scum?
2. Getting negative attention doesn't seem good to me. Of course I don't have much experience with this, so I can't really say. I can't think of a situation where I would want to risk getting lynched to do a random bandwagon.
3. My vote is for Guardian, who asked us to explain why we weren't voting Erg0 instead of the other way around. That's the part that got my vote, not just the bandwagoning.
4. Can't say since I haven't played any mafia games as intelligent as the ones on this site before. If I had to guess, which I'd rather not since it seems people know otherwise, I'd say mafia since their goal is to end the day quickly, which is aided by bandwagoning.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I wish things could be more civil here. I'm seeing some insults coming from some people, which I just dislike.
FoS opie, mainly because he seems to be under the most attack and I'm seeing the most arguments against him.
FoS Xylthixlm, seems to be giving a lot of criticism and doesn't seem to be arguing against the major points.
FoS Oman, for trying to throw suspicion on Guardian for following him, who did FoS before Oman's vote.
For now though,Unvote. I'll have to reread this tomorrow to see if I can find what people are saying about opie's supposed scumtells and other things.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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1. I've seen strong opinions against him, hence I'm going to reread tomorrow and see if it's well grounded. For now I'll have to go with everyone else's arguments. If everybody else was getting as much attention as him I probably wouldn't FoS him.Xylthixlm wrote:
This makes no sense.Matt_S wrote:I wish things could be more civil here. I'm seeing some insults coming from some people, which I just dislike.
FoS opie, mainly because he seems to be under the most attack and I'm seeing the most arguments against him.
This makes no sense.Matt_S wrote:FoS Xylthixlm, seems to be giving a lot of criticism and doesn't seem to be arguing against the major points.
This one makes sense, but I disagree with the FoS.Matt_S wrote:FoS Oman, for trying to throw suspicion on Guardian for following him, who did FoS before Oman's vote.
2. You're arguing against Adel's scum catching which look really impressive to me. Having about half of your suspects on day 1 being scum is good. And I should probably say that the criticism I'm talking about is against points that they haven't made.
3. He looks to me like he's trying to get people off him more than anything.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Except picking at random would produce a lot of townies as well, while Adel's method picks them almost 50:50.Xylthixlm wrote:
Adel's algorithm got the scum right 43% of the time. If he had picked the scumMatt_S wrote:2. You're arguing against Adel's scum catching which look really impressive to me. Having about half of your suspects on day 1 being scum is good. And I should probably say that the criticism I'm talking about is against points that they haven't made.totally at randomhe would have been right 35% of the time. The difference between those two numbers is not enough to impress me with his awesomeness.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Xlythixlm: You seem to be arguing just for the sake of arguing, and you pull (incorrect) numbers into everything, plus accusing others of OMGUS to avoid attacking their points. And I FOSed opie because the things that were on my mind were the "trying too hard" argument and my inability to remember any important posts by him. I'll admit I haven't reread everything yet, and I didn't play to be away all weekend, but I wanted to express my opinion before being away for a while. However, I expected a little more to happen and for my absence to be more noticable.
Jitsu: Someone said that opie was trying too hard to scumhunt without being useful. My post was a comment on that. Yeah, I agreed he did seem to be trying hard, and he didn't seem to be doing much, but I didn't want to vote for him because of that.
Now is when I reread this topic. Another post soon hopefully.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I voted Guardian because I didn't like his bandwagoning. Since then, bigger things happened and I moved on, hence I unvoted him.pickemgenius wrote:So now opie and Matt_S are trying to get Guardian lynched.... fantastic.
As for my suspicions, a quick look at opie's posts showed me he was one of the early people against Guardian, which was one of the big things.UnFoS opiesince that goes against my "he wasn't useful" point. Everything else still fits with the "trying too hard" thing, but again that's not scummy enough for a vote.UnFoS Oman, since the thing with him trying to get votes on Guardian appears to be over. Yeah, he still did it but it looked just like a misunderstanding. That leaves Xylthixlm. He doesn't seem to have done anything to remove my suspicion since Friday, soVote Xylthixlm.
As for the new case on Guardian, he said he wanted to create discussion, so I'd kind of understand why he'd tell everyone his suspicions. But Indigo makes good points on how much he questions Adel and borrows his logic on opie's case. However, this still goes in line with his point of making discussion. So for now, I'll wait until Guardian replies.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Xylthixlm: What exactly is bad about my logic?
Incognito: Guardian has been all about getting people to talk. Given that, I don't find it that odd that he'd agree with some of the already established suspicions. And looking back at one of my posts, I accidentally called you Indigo. Sorry >.>
Erg0: I didn't have solid suspicions since most of the original wagons were about whether someone was joking, or someone taking the jokes too seriously. I didn't want to base suspicions off jokes and seriousness. Right now I'm suspicious of Xylthixlm, who I'm voting for because he seems uncooperative, and Incognito, who's starting to seem more aggressive. But one thing about Incognito that doesn't seem suspicious to me is that he's taking on a new case against someone who everybody moved off of, so I don't know what to think of him.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Just because I'm a newb doesn't mean I suck.Adel wrote:and that is because the current meta is all over identifying distancing. In fact, it is only when newer players like Matt_S do it that alarms bells really ring for me.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I see what you did there. You're asking a yes or no question where both answers suggest I have a partner. So, to partially answer your question, I'm at least clever enough to notice that.Adel wrote:I never said that you sucked. Are you saying that you are clever enough tonotdistance yourself from your partner?
Just because I'm new doesn't mean that I do conspicuous things like distancing. Of course, I'm not familiar with all the meta stuff, but I've read enough to know that smart scum shouldn't openly treat their partners different from everyone else.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Patrick: I didn't like Xylthixlm's comments because it seemed he tried to destroy people's credibility without actually proving anything. Seemed to be trying to attract negative attention to other people without reason. As for Incognito, he and Guardian got uncooperative, and it seemed Incognito contributed more to the conflict. Probably just caused by anger, but stating that you won't answer a person's questions isn't constructive no matter what the reasons.
I don't really see Jitsu as scummy. He contributed quite a bit, and he asked lots of questions, which I like. People said he backed down after opie grew more unpopular. The way I see it, he made his points and moved on. Jitsu offers explanations for why he does things, and his explanations seem satisfactory, though a little complicated and hard to follow.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I'm seeing something a little odd.
How was what Incognito did any different than Adel saying he knows Guardian is town? Is it simply the fact that one is accusing and one is defending?Adel wrote:
huge scumtell. 100% bullshit is more like it.Incognito wrote:I am now 100% certain
This is the sloppiest scum team I'veeverseen.
And it's even odder that you vote the person you "know" is town.FOS AdelShow"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Could you explain why you think this?Oman wrote:Getting a strong town read off Adel.
And shall I also quote Incognito's posts?Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Adel does seem weird, but other than that he makes good points. I want to hear from Oman before I do anything else.Patrick wrote:I'm getting a kind of quirky town read off Adel.
Matt, what do you think of the recent debates? It seems like you've avoided commenting on most of it.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Guess these are the only lynches to choose from. Now to wait for opie to claim.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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At the moment, I'd have to say opie. Since Guardian's random wagon he's been acting fairly helpful. The main question about Guardian right now is why he didn't call Adel out, which we'll never be able to know for sure. I don't really see anything that screams scum from either person, but opie seems to have been the less useful of the two.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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The only other option that I see is getting a claim from Guardian. I don't know about everyone else, but I'd rather get another claim on day 1.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Patrick wrote:After preview, Matt's last seems bizarre. Why would you rather have a second claim on day 1?
I thought you all were crazy until I looked back at my post. There should have been a not between rather and get. I don't misspell word. I leave them out.Guardian wrote:Why would you rather have more players claim than fewer players claim?Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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>.> But sometimes I have words in the wrong form. "Word" up there should be plural.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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We're running out of time here. For now I'llVote ChaosOmegasince I can't recall him doing anything really useful. If anyone has any lynch candidates they'd like to argue for, now's the time to do so.
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opie - 5 (Oman, ChaosOmega, pickemgenius, Xylthixlm, Guardian)
Guardian - 4 (opie, Incognito, Jitsu, Adel)
ChaosOmega - 3 (Patrick, Erg0, Matt_S)
Not voting - 0 (nobody)
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
Deadline for D1: Saturday March 1, 10:55AM GMT+10
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Lol, hello. Didn't see you there.Erg0 wrote:Unvote, Vote: ChaosOmega
This probably has a better shot at getting to a lynch in 27 hours than a Xyl wagon does.
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What he said. I think.pickemgenius wrote:
what about Matt_S?Adel wrote:the CO wagon totally fits my expectation for what a late wagon, driven by scum, as an alternative to their scumbuddy's wagon.Fos: Patrick and Erg0Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Even if I hadn't said anything, someone would have brought it up. And unsurprisingly Adel brought it up. Now someone's bringing up the fact that I preemptively brought it up.Erg0 wrote:The fact that he felt theneedto explain it is interesting, though.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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He mentioned the wagon in general, not my specific vote. I think the reason he didn't FoS me was because I brought it up.Incognito wrote:When did Adel mention it?
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opie - 6 (Oman, ChaosOmega, pickemgenius, Xylthixlm, Guardian, Adel)
Guardian - 3 (opie, Incognito, Jitsu)
ChaosOmega - 3 (Patrick, Erg0, Matt_S)
Not voting - 0 (nobody)
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
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Sorry, Adel. I do seem to recall someone saying she before, but I didn't think too much of it.Incognito wrote:
I think Adel's aMatt_S wrote:
He mentioned the wagon in general, not my specific vote. I think the reason he didn't FoS me was because I brought it up.Incognito wrote:When did Adel mention it?shenot a he. And the point Adel brought up wasn't entirely similar to the same issue that Erg0 and Oman are discussing. Adel seems to be linking both Erg0 and Patrick with opie. opie has now been linked to practically everyone in the game. On the contrary, Erg0 and Oman are discussing the fact that your vote seemed to follow Erg0's, and they found it interesting that you felt the need to explain or at least comment on your choice to place the vote directly after Erg0.
I realize that people are looking at me because I mentioned that I didn't see Erg0's vote. What confuses me is that the only other thing to do would be to unvote just because of that, or completely ignore Erg0's vote. Both alternatives seem pretty scummy. I figured by mentioning that I hadn't noticed Erg0's vote it would prevent all the "OMG scum r wagoning" comments. Yeah, it's probably what most scum would do, but I'd think that it'd be what most townies do too.
And now that I think about it, the reason Adel didn't FoS me is probably because he's connected opie to me in the past.
And now ChaosOmega can post something.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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This may just be me not remembering correctly, but I recall you flat out refusing to respond to Guardian's questions. Yeah, Guardian hadn't answered your questions, but refusing to communicate isn't helpful. Again, I'm not really sure who started the escalation, but when I first read it I thought it was you.Incognito wrote:Question to both ChaosOmega and Matt_S:What's scummy about the way I attacked Guardian?
And this day is getting to a close really soon. Who's our lynch?Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Well, let's see how long it takes him to get here.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Player by player mini-analysis after a quick reread of most of the stuff.
Adel
I never really understood why Adel was so sure that opie was scum, and so early on. However, I'll wait for Adel to give the promised explanation.
Oman
Not the nicest player, but he did state suspicions on more than one person. I'd say overall Oman's been useful and protown.
Erg0
It's probably because I was so opposed to the first wagon on him, but I've thought of Erg0 as being protown, and it seems to fit. He contributes to the discussion a lot.
ChaosOmega
If tracker and watcher mean what I think they do, then a cop doesn't seem likely. Especially an insane or paranoid cop. Hasn't contributed much.
Xylthixlm
Also isn't the nicest player. While there were things he did I disapprove of, he did ask a lot of questions of players and their suspicions. Xylthixlm could go either way.
Incognito
Seemed to be very influential day 1. I can't recall him doing anything scummy on day 1. However, today Incognito did seem to either miss or ignore how Oman had named Erg0 suspicious quite often, as well as me. I'll have to see his reply to this though.
Patrick/TrustGossip
TrustGossip looked to be helpful and fairly active. Patrick is definitely helpful and active. I can't think of anything else to say.
Jitsu
The main thing people brought up against him was that he backtracked. I've never looked at that negatively like everyone else did, but I guess I can see why they would find it suspicious. However, Jitsu is another person who asks questions, which I like.
Btw, I'm guessing that knife stabbing isn't likely to be a vig kill?Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I've tried hard to look at things from a neutral perspective today. I've tried to cut people slack for being mean and angry, and I dropped my argument against you being scummy yesterday after things seemed to settle between you and Guardian. I only brought it up again when you asked about it.Incognito wrote:Matt_S, so basically what your analysis boils down to is if you're nice, you're pro-town and if you're mean, you're anti-town? Rofl.
And now you can't recall me doing anything scummy from yesterday but you yourself mentioned yesterday that my reluctance to answer the questions Guardian posed for me was scummy?Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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EBWOP: In other words, yesterday I tended to look more at people who seemed argumentative, and today I tried to get away from that.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Sorry for the triple post. Correcting a little misinformation:Matt_S wrote:I only brought it up again when youand Patrickasked about it.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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@Adel: I guess that explains a lot, and I don't have any numbers to prove you wrong. But I disagree with misleading the town. That makes the fact that people followed you so willingly kind of scary.
@Incognito: Is your most recent post referring to my suspicions today or my suspicions yesterday? At first I thought it was the latter, but I'm not sure. Because I'm suspicious of more nice people than mean people today.
@Jitsu: I don't I voted for opie. I think I just FoSed him.
@ppl who voted for opie: How do you respond to Adel's new statement?Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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It's not a big part today, but yesterday when I saw people acting angry and/or irrational I was tempted to see that as not being helpful, and thus scummy. But now that we've had a night there's a lot more available than just how sociable they were.Incognito wrote:
Yeah, I just reread it. It doesn't matter whether you find the nicer people or the meaner people to be scummy. Your view of what's scummy and what isn't seems very simplistic. The meanest person in the world could sometimes be aligned on the side of the town. My point is if you're just going to be judging people's play based on their demeanor, then how do you expect to actually find scum?Matt_S wrote:@Incognito: Is your most recent post referring to my suspicions today or my suspicions yesterday? At first I thought it was the latter, but I'm not sure. Because I'm suspicious of more nice people than mean people today.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Can I ask why?Adel wrote:
totally scum.Patrick wrote: Adel, what do you think of Oman?Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Are we voting Oman for following opie's bandwagon all of yesterday? Or is there something else that I'm missing? If it's the latter, I'd like to be clued in.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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So, lemme see if I understand everyone's suspicions.
Oman - He followed the opie wagon and seemed to not be scum hunting.
ChaosOmega - Not playing.
Jitsu - Possibly connected to ChaosOmega for not commenting on the case against him. I think there was more, about his day 1 behavior but I can't recall right now.
Adel - opie wagon all day, hopping on Guardian wagon.
Xylthixlm - Following the opie wagon, and other things I can't recall.
I'm tempted to think Adel is town at the moment, for a variety of WIFOM reasons, plus playing an active role. Of the others, I'd definitely rank ChaosOmega as most likely scum, followed by Oman and Xylthixlm. I'm also having a hard time grasping Jitsu being scum; I can see it but it doesn't seem to fit his actions.
As for the other players, Patrick is about as town as I've seen, and Incognito is iffy, depending mainly on how Oman turns out.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I'd rather make bad FoSes than bad votes any day. And the only FoS that I'd take back was my one on opie, since I should have reread it before that. As for my simple view of the game, I just don't see things the way Adel does, how she can seemingly know what everyone is thinking with their posts. Like her FoS on Erg0. I didn't see anything odd about his post, but Adel did. All I had to go on Day 1 was deciding who seemed to be helping the town, and some of the people made arguments against became aggressive rather than answering my suspicions. I also witnessed other people getting aggressive rather than answering suspicions.Jitsu wrote:Matt_S: An enigma. Early on D1, he seemed desparate to have something to say and made some really bad FoSes with horrible reasoning. I don't like his simplistic view of the game, which seems to be roughly categorizing people due to simple factors like how nice or aggressive they are. He looks like a newbie to me, either way. He's done a number of scummy things, but every once in a while, he surprises me with something that comments that sound seasoned and relatively well-reasoned. In spite of the inconsistency of his play, he had chances to jump on bad wagons or rush to conclusions against townies, and he did not. I can't tell if he is a scum playing it cool, or just a somewhat confused townie. Opinion: Neutral.
And speaking of Adel, I can't see the slipping away thing happening. I don't think ChaosOmega being scum will change many thoughts on Oman.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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This is a fairly hilarious turn of events. The confirmed townie is now the insane scumcopShow"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I have to ask. What about his post makes him seem more likely to be a serial killer?Adel wrote:based on guardian's last post i now feel that he is the skShow"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Is it legal for me to third this? Adel blindly following Guardian seems oddly different from being the leader day 1.Erg0 wrote:/third. Also not going for a Matt_S lynch. Adel, you need to stop pointing out your own meta.
I thought it was the opposite. Or am I forgetting something?Adel wrote:Like I said earlier, if opie isn't scum then matt_s must be.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Note: My post above should say fourth. I can count sort of.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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So Erg0, are we just stuck in the dark on what Adel is trying to do? Could you say what you think Adel's thinking?Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Wow, this doesn't seem to be going anywhere. So let's try a different angle. Adel, why do you trust Guardian^2 when he replaced the person that was so scummy to everybody?Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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So... who isn't going to be a lynch candidate today?Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Uh.... Why won't Oman be a lynch candidate?Adel wrote:
everyone except Guardian or Oman, but I'm open to being convinced otherwise by Guardian.Matt_S wrote:So... who isn't going to be a lynch candidate today?
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Crap, I think I was the one who was confused by the double negatives. At first I thought you were trying to keep Oman and Guardian from being lynched. However, now they're the only ones you want to lynch? That also seems odd, so I want an explanation first. Why did you change your mind?Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Alright, so, Adel, why the change of plans?Incognito wrote:This is turning into a semantics argument.
Your question was "Who isn't going to be a lynch candidate today?"
Adel said: "Everyone [isn't going to be a lynch candidate] except Guardian and Oman".
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But why did you suddenly stop following Guardian? Is it because of what Erg0 said?Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Yet you say that only Guardian and Oman are going to be lynch candidates.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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