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[Barleycorn]

Corn your an alt?

yeah. not touching site on my main either.

[Barleycorn]

pm me wheme.

nah fire i've fucked up 3 games so far. i should probably get a temp ban but i know that won't happen so i'm doing it myself.

[Barleycorn]

ty eddie but i know i am playing way worse than i should.

[Barleycorn]

neither did i. it's not intentional on my part and i don't think it is on yours either.

have you played in any newbie games sely?

[Barleycorn]

Seriously Barley. Take a step back and view this as an oppertunity. You are now an innocent child. Be the heart of the town.

i have bad reads this game.

[Barleycorn]

town

dog
eddie
keyser
moz i guess

town i guess

fire
boon
sely

lynchbait

gerry
momo

scum

wheme

you see why my reads are bad. not bad as in probably wrong, bad as in straight up objectively bad.

maybe i'll just /in as se to road to road games.

[Barleycorn]

remaining suspicious of those who joined it for bad reasons.

who dey be?

[Barleycorn]

well jfc i'm a mess.

turning off mafiascum for the rest of the day.

[Barleycorn]

Assuming both [moz] and fire screamer are somehow town, who would you prefer to lynch(give two choices) and how is this safer...

i am going to judge you. you're in way too many games for your ability to play them.

1. moz is already dead and flipped town. you say "assuming moz and fire are

somehow

town". does that mean that you scumread fire now?
2. who are you asking, and what do you mean by safer?
3. do you townread wheme?
4. did you even read what happened with me, moz, fire, and wheme?

[Barleycorn]

i'm actually triggered as fuck. momo why have you played in like 15 games since joining? you must have been in like 7 at a time minimum

[Barleycorn]

momo link me 2 of your epicmafia games please.

considering a policy lynch because this cannot survive until lylo.

[Barleycorn]

mb it's been 9 games but still very excessive and you've demonstrated that in spades just in this one.

[Barleycorn]

dude instead of replacing out you could just read this game... not even sure replacing out is healthier for the gamestate than your not paying attention but still posting

[Barleycorn]

i don't want to pl. im just pissed.

can someone check if gerry is posting elsewhere on site? im on mobile

[Barleycorn]

why are you answering for gerry?

[Barleycorn]

do you want to sort him? ...

[Barleycorn]

how?

[Barleycorn]

I did already

ok you are scum. or at least you make zero sense.

let's see if it happened or not. if not, we can lynch mozamis.

this is a scumpost

Why? if mozamis faked desperado wouldn't we just lynch him on the spot?

Cause he wanted to act townie by saying something so useless idk

if you've determined that gerry is scum, why would you make this post? 1. you are directly answering a question posed to scum for scum and 2. you're coming up with a townie's motivation for saying what gerry said, yet you think he's scum.

if you've determined that gerry is town, why are you voting him?

[Barleycorn]

missed that, sorry.

[Barleycorn]

what about his recent contribution makes you think he's town?

[Barleycorn]

If he was scum why would he call out 1162

uh, why not? the only reason not to call out 1162 is if boon is gerry's scum partner right? and i don't even see 1162 as all that scummy...

[Barleycorn]

i don't know gerry's or boon's alignments. but you said this:

gerry is town because he wouldn't have made 1276 if he were scum.

what is your reasoning behind that?

[Barleycorn]

"why not?" is a valid response. you are making a positive statement: scum!gerry would not call out 1162. actually, you asked why scum!gerry would call out 1162 which didn't even explain how you sorted him. anyway - if you actually did make the positive statement described, you've provided no reasoning behind it.

i said that the only valid reasoning would be if

you

thought gerry and boon were scum partners.

but i am still waiting for you to justify 1292

[Barleycorn]

ach i'm sorry tf and everyone else in game. it's because separate browser windows.

[Barleycorn]

Reason 2: Then why wouldn't he just jump on my wagon and give a some-what good reason. Or anyone else for that matter.

not sure.

do you realize that you are townreading gerry because he appeared to scumhunt?

[Barleycorn]

i think you and wheme could be teamed, not you and momo. read.

[Barleycorn]

like, literally confirmed town.

glad you missed that though so you could impotently try to discredit me.

[Barleycorn]

1333 is riddled with misreps.

[Barleycorn]

you clearly haven't read the game.

do you know that mozamis is dead?

[Barleycorn]

says the player who has done nothing all game.

[Barleycorn]

i'll iso you later.

[Barleycorn]

oh vc reset.

vote: gerry.

[Barleycorn]

VOTE: gerry

[Barleycorn]

boon feels more town.

gerry also started throwing shade on me not knowing i was conftown

[Barleycorn]

maybe im confbiasing gerry

[Barleycorn]

nope.

[Barleycorn]

nope.

explain why please

momo's vote scares me the fuck off.

[Barleycorn]

oh, and i'm not lynching tracker claim lol.

[Barleycorn]

yeah boon and i are scum together. you caught us.

[Barleycorn]

@Barley. You are leaning town on my reads

hm. since you volunteered, reads list please.

[Barleycorn]

Willing to buy the claim. Im great at running wagons on town power roles.

what makes you believe boon?

[Barleycorn]

do you realize that you are giving two different reasons not to lynch boon

1. i believe the claim
2. we should re-examine the slot later

these are not the same

[Barleycorn]

@momo @momo @momo @momo @momo @momo if you are town you had better post again today

[Barleycorn]

do it scum, i dare you

[Barleycorn]

i'll vote gerry or wheme or momo in that order.

oh gee looks like the people who talk the least get scumread the most.

[Barleycorn]

keyser talked more d1. also i'm not consciously scumreading people because they're not talking a lot, i'm just acknowledging that might be a fairly heavy unconscious bias.

[Barleycorn]

Go lynch fire. Since moz is town, fire is the lynch.

any reason other than just the fact that he was pushing moz?

[Barleycorn]

i'll vote gerry or wheme or momo in that order.

oh gee looks like the people who talk the least get scumread the most.

90% sure everyone there is town

momo

DogWatch
FireScreamer

WhemeStar

Selynee

gerryoat

Eddie Cane

Barleycorn

Boonskiies

Keyser Söze

so which ones are scum?

[Barleycorn]

theory: momo just ignores questions and this is nai

he's done it so many times this thread and been scumread for it. the conclusion for me at least is that he just doesn't give a fuck about the game and probably doesn't even know he's ignoring questions.

[Barleycorn]

the past few momo/wheme posts smell like scum banter

not to me. why did you say this?

[Barleycorn]

the past few momo/wheme posts smell like scum banter

I've been harbouring suspicions on that connection myself. A momo red flip would send me after wheme for sure. As well as make me way happier about Gerry

question posed to you too.

[Barleycorn]

Wait, I am not ignoring questions>..

i am way too lazy and also don't care enough to go quote all the questions you've ignored. but you definitely have ignored questions. here's two from last page that you haven't answered.

@momo furthermore, why were you sheeping your two biggest Scum reads (fire, gerry) to vote Boon right after they did? Why wouldn't you have made a case on one of them?

Well it could be town vs town but I doubt it.

A gut feeling tells me this is the case.

With all the tunneling it can't be town vs town.

One of you is scum and it is up to the rest of us to figure out who.

Why couldn't it be town vs town?

finding these should be

your

job when reading the thread

[Barleycorn]

oh yeah UNVOTE:

fuck voting with momo

[Barleycorn]

the reason i don't care is that scum or town, i don't think momo's answers will be ai or even intelligible.

probably blacklisting this player when i come back - which will be difficult since they seem to sign up for every open game they possibly can.

[Barleycorn]

wheme's question in 1445 is actually awful and i don't blame momo for not answering it.

[Barleycorn]

not that i think it was a conscious decision from momo.

[Barleycorn]

see, there's another reason i read it as scum banter... softball questioning that won't really go anywhere and they know it

it's not bad because it's softball.

[Barleycorn]

i'm annoyed at you. you're understating how bad

wheme's

question was by shoving it into the narrative you've created that it's scum banter. it's a question that is answered by the post it quoted. blatant empty posting.

[Barleycorn]

well i guess i'm saying that convo supports scum!wheme bit not necessarily scum!momo.

[Barleycorn]

no that's not the point. but you're prob town and if you're not i don't think this'll help sort you so dropping it.

[Barleycorn]

barley thoughts on voting selynee

i'm down but i wonder how much inactivity is playing into where votes are going.

[Barleycorn]

Can you show me why Dogwatch is town?

I'll do this if you show why you think they're scum.

[Barleycorn]

you said you agreed with 1451 in 1452 but now you're saying that momo's town for not defending himself

[Barleycorn]

point being in 1451 i said that momo's ignoring questions is nai

[Barleycorn]

sure. but it certainly doesn't make him town, like you seem to be implying

[Barleycorn]

hi ignore contradiction for a moment and show why dogwatch is scum

[Barleycorn]

ok.

[Barleycorn]

you are literally the most annoying player i have played with on this site.

[Barleycorn]

absolutely.

[Barleycorn]

actually, with the way the day has gone, no lynch is a real possibility.

[Barleycorn]

even numbers and we are clearly very divided and the thread is extremely inactive. no lynch feels right, honestly. the lynch pool doesn't even really shrink since i most likely get nkd.

[Barleycorn]

hm actually lynch pool shrinking is the point of nl.

i guess we can lynch... it just feels very bad.

[Barleycorn]

eddie saying what i was going to say.

scum are not nightkilling momo. so if he's not going to be around in lylo, it's because we lynch him. and he should not be around in lylo.

[Barleycorn]

fire your dogwatch vote gives me the heebie jeebies.

[Barleycorn]

waiting for tbslot and boonpost. im pretty useless rn.

[Barleycorn]

^ you were a big cause of that role's misuse.

[Barleycorn]

nah i truly believe momo is incapable, at least right now, of playing the game. just a really really bad player.

[Barleycorn]

guess that's fine. what a crap dp. i'll do it midday tomorrow if nobody posts content.

[Barleycorn]

has Keyser even me turned mono exists jfc

sort of but yeah wondering why keyser is so quiet and also why he hasn't explicitly weighed in on the momo wagon

[Barleycorn]

Barley would you go after thinkbig today?

no. i said a while ago who was in my lynchpool today. (gerry, momo, wheme) only 2 things would change that, and those are

1. new content and
2. more digging from me reading back through the game

if i'm left alive tomorrow (unlikely) i'll definitely do 2. but 1 has not

really

happened yet.

[Barleycorn]

i mean i'd support it if i thought he was scum. lol

[Barleycorn]

that's cool tb except yesterday wasn't shabbat and the dp is over in 23 hours

[Barleycorn]

We're lynching DW.

[Barleycorn]

yea... it will be momo most likely.

[Barleycorn]

hey eddie

don't really get your last minute push on a slot with no content

[Barleycorn]

actually absurd, if this game just a joke to you

[Barleycorn]

*is

[Barleycorn]

highly doubt momo will still be playing when i get back but this is an actual blacklist.

[Barleycorn]

I hope we're not being trolled.

honestly i hope we are because at least that would provide a reasonable motivation for momo to even play this game

[Barleycorn]

don't like dogwatch's day 2.

don't like the end of fire's day 2.

gerry still probably scum.

[Barleycorn]

don't get the progression from 1532 to 1561. don't get why you voted dogwatch anyway.

[Barleycorn]

do you like dogwatch's day 2? you have them in a notscum tier

[Barleycorn]

btw later i'm gonna do some actual analysis so scum beware. i just really really wanted to fucken DIE but couldn't even get that sweet release.

[Barleycorn]

As I said Barley it was in the interests of competitive diversity.

I hate fait accomplis. I wanted to see if anyone would follow me. Momo was always going to be there and I went back soon enough. Do you think scum is more likely to jump off the momo wagon just to rejoin than town?

in answer to your question, probably not

but why not vote wheme then? or gerry? two people who you have in your scumpile

[Barleycorn]

me claiming last is absolutely correct.

[Barleycorn]

I do disagree. Barley starting it made the most sense and you let him do that without protest.

what's your point? i'm actually curious, what was eddie supposed to do? and why should i claim first?

[Barleycorn]

fire's role is the one i'm most curious about.

[Barleycorn]

I do disagree. Barley starting it made the most sense and you let him do that without protest.

what's your point? i'm actually curious, what was eddie supposed to do? and why should i claim first?

You don't claim first you claim last. You pick who goes first.

And Eddie is supposed to not let a scumread take the role he just designated is best filled by confirmed town.

right but what action should eddie take lol? he said we should decide who claims first, and then wheme claimed. so should eddie, uh, vote wheme? ddos wheme's internet? i don't get what you're saying

[Barleycorn]

fire's role is the one i'm most curious about.

Is that an official request for me to start the popcorning?

nah we have time and i wanna read boonslot interactions first.

[Barleycorn]

is massclaim correct if we nl today?

[Barleycorn]

also what eddie did re: wheme is nai.

[Barleycorn]

sure ok

fire do you really think eddie's reaction wheme claim is an issue?

[Barleycorn]

and if so, that big of one?

[Barleycorn]

I still don't think its worth no lynching but we should probably talk about that.

Barley
Keysar
Dogwatch/Eddie
Thinkbig/Gerry/Wheme

ThinkBig replaced and said nothing for at least 4 days. He was happy with the status quo of the Momo wagon and let it continue.

I was actually toying with the idea that he was stalling on the momo train without having to be on it himself. If he's scum team with whemestar, as my reads indicate, that would explain why they distanced themselves from the momo lynch, which seemed increasingly inevitable.

Reads from most town to most scummy:
Barley
Fire/Keyser
Gerry/Eddie
ThinkBig
Wheme

these are quite similar

[Barleycorn]

it's not a question. do you have one?

[Barleycorn]

really really bad question

[Barleycorn]

nope.

[Barleycorn]

nobody atm

[Barleycorn]

i want people to post.

[Barleycorn]

are you aware it's mylo?

[Barleycorn]

huh good point, green isn't conftown? lol

[Barleycorn]

I'd suggest everyone reset their reads for today.

agree especially considering people's reads have remained the same since mid day 2.

[Barleycorn]

wheme is town methinks.

[Barleycorn]

where does your townlean on gerry come from?

where is the rest of your VCA? what specific conclusions did you get from it?

edit: as of now, just gut.

[Barleycorn]

btw tb i'm a mortfeld alt which i plan to kill after this game.

[Barleycorn]

where does your townlean on gerry come from?

[Barleycorn]

^ troll quiet please

[Barleycorn]

Intent to vote: WhemeStar

Today is MyLo and I assume we are dealing with a standard 10:3 team. Gerrygoat places a vote on WhemStar nearly 24 hours ago. If WS was town, the scum team would have almost certainly have quick hammered WS by now (assuming GG is town). Eddie Cane and KS have also not shown any signs at a quick hammer.

Occam's razor says that one of {Gerrygoat, Whemstar} is scum. I have a town lean on gerrygoat and so I think whemestar is probably scum.

completely missed this argument somehow.

your scumread of wheme is mechanical. but with 8 alive it's 5 to lynch, which means that one vote by itself cannot lead to a quickhammer. so do you still scumread wheme, knowing that scum could not quickhammer town!wheme with just town!gerry's vote?

also, still waiting on explanation of where your town lean on gerry comes from.

hm, also curious how you used occam's razor to narrow your scumset. explain?

[Barleycorn]

VOTE: Aronagrundy

im town. this maf

You're playing different to town-gerry

elaborate please?

[Barleycorn]

wait i remember, you do elaborate. lemme read that.

[Barleycorn]

so who is mafs everyone?

'i'm not going to scum hunt mafs tee hee
and i'm going to make it look i don't cares'

keyset still scumreading gerry. i'll let you know when a townread develops.

bleh rereading this maybe arona(wheme) is scum. 252 is gross on its own. then arona actually ignores keyser's 347 (see 363 etc. where the eddie idea is completely dropped).

obviously can't ask arona about this, but why did you not follow up on 347 keyser?

369 looks like scum!arona trying to discredit town!keyser

376 looks like scum!arona backing off after town!keyser responds logically to his attempts to discredit. yet maintains "eh demagoguery is a thing"

fine gerry can be townish for 394 and maybe 387

ok i can get on board with scum!wheme. arona looks not good in these interactions. still would like to do more sorting.

[Barleycorn]

wait i remember, you do elaborate. lemme read that.

have to go so i'll find where your sr of gerry shifts later, unless you do it for me.

[Barleycorn]

in the process of catching up, sorry.

are we still popcorn claiming? what happened to that?

we should.

wheme(already claimed)
gerry
tb
dog
fire
eddie
keyser

[Barleycorn]

oh one issue with popcorn claiming is that there's a real possibility that not everyone gets to do it. i.e. if gerry is a lurkfuck for the rest of the dp we just don't get a massclaim

[Barleycorn]

this is a formal request for gerry to claim, btw.

[Barleycorn]

dude he claimed mafia goon. we're supposed to go, oh ok he's trolling, clearly he's vt?

[Barleycorn]

in the process of catching up, sorry.

are we still popcorn claiming? what happened to that?

we should.

wheme(already claimed)
gerry
tb
dog
fire
eddie
keyser

interesting you said fire was your most interested role and he's so low. especially based on your attitude towards him recently. wouldn't mind some justification but you're conftown so it's fine if you don't want to.

i am still most interested in his role but he was never my top scumread.

[Barleycorn]

so who is mafs everyone?

'i'm not going to scum hunt mafs tee hee
and i'm going to make it look i don't cares'

keyset still scumreading gerry. i'll let you know when a townread develops.

bleh rereading this maybe arona(wheme) is scum. 252 is gross on its own. then arona actually ignores keyser's 347 (see 363 etc. where the eddie idea is completely dropped).

obviously can't ask arona about this, but why did you not follow up on 347 keyser?

369 looks like scum!arona trying to discredit town!keyser

376 looks like scum!arona backing off after town!keyser responds logically to his attempts to discredit. yet maintains "eh demagoguery is a thing"

fine gerry can be townish for 394 and maybe 387

ok i can get on board with scum!wheme. arona looks not good in these interactions. still would like to do more sorting.

what does the first line of this post mean

i was exploring how keyser's read on gerry evolved, but didn't finish reading.

[Barleycorn]

i see why tf blacklisted you.

[Barleycorn]

i don't see how we can't lynch him.

[Barleycorn]

yeah i mean he definitely could be town, but he could equally be scum? no matter how you look at it either he's declined to claim, or he's actually claimed scum. not lynching him would be shooting in the dark.

[Barleycorn]

why don't you have investment in the game? also claim please

[Barleycorn]

I'd rather lyncH someone who was trolling and lose because of it that not lynch someone who was trolling and lose because of it. If Gerry wants to play 2 scum 2 scum I don't have the investment in this game any more to next level it.

this isn't the point? why do you think this is what i was saying?

gerry also seems to think this which is why i'm confused.

i was only saying we had to lynch gerry for one reason, and it's not trolling. at least in a general sense though he was probably trolling when he did this

i think you might be scum.

[Barleycorn]

My trying is NAI. It depends how interested I am in the game. I can tryhard as town or mafia depending how interesting the game is.

and your trying has very little to do with why i feel like i have to lynch you

can you fucking claim please? "probably vt" doesn't really work, unless i'm wrong

[Barleycorn]

i see why tf blacklisted you.

who even are you? lol

guy annoyed with your play. though you're one of like, 5 people who ruthlessly killed this game so i don't blame you exclusively.

[Barleycorn]

momo (Pants98) - vt
DogWatch - vt
Transcend - follower
mozamis - one shot desperado
FireScreamer - even night watcher
WhemeStar (aronagrundy) - vt
FrankJaeger - vt
ThinkBig (Selynee), (NorskaBlue) - vt
gerryoat - maybe vt/mafia goon
Eddie Cane - vt
Barleycorn -
Boonskiies (Shadow_step) - odd night tracker
Keyser Söze -

[Barleycorn]

momo (Pants98) - vt

DogWatch - vt

Transcend - follower

mozamis - one shot desperado

FireScreamer - even night watcher
WhemeStar (aronagrundy) - vt

FrankJaeger - vt

ThinkBig (Selynee), (NorskaBlue) - vt
gerryoat - maybe vt/mafia goon
Eddie Cane - vt
Barleycorn -

Boonskiies (Shadow_step) - odd night tracker

Keyser Söze -

dead people striked out

[Barleycorn]

no worries.

[Barleycorn]

we don't even have the full setup yet lol

[Barleycorn]

Maf I wouldn't fake claim PR if I were you. Let's just say you might regret it.

only keyser and i haven't claimed lol

[Barleycorn]

wait, and you

can you claim please like jesus

[Barleycorn]

I'm prob VT

is this supposed to be a claim

[Barleycorn]

TB are you reading the game?

[Barleycorn]

fire, do you scumread dogwatch?

keyser, claim please.

dogwatch, what are you doing?

[Barleycorn]

i'm vt

momo (Pants98) - vt

DogWatch - vt

Transcend - follower

mozamis - one shot desperado

FireScreamer - even night watcher
WhemeStar (aronagrundy) - vt

FrankJaeger - vt

ThinkBig (Selynee), (NorskaBlue) - vt
gerryoat - maybe vt/mafia goon
Eddie Cane - vt
Barleycorn - vt

Boonskiies (Shadow_step) - odd night tracker

Keyser Söze - vt

dead people striked out

lol gerry you still technically haven't claimed so don't get uppity with me

[Barleycorn]

"i'm not trolling"

[Barleycorn]

i'm not blacklisting you lmao.

rip

[Barleycorn]

well played scum

tb/eddie/dog?

[Barleycorn]

oh keyser was scum?

guess i should trust my instincts more.

[Barleycorn]

Why didn't you just hammer when you had the chance

the only opportunity to hammer was when he actually hammered

[Barleycorn]

thanks for playing, everyone.

i can't really speak to how good/bad people played because i know my end of d1/all of d2 were godawful.

well actually, desperado using their shot on me thinking they were lynched when they really weren't was pretty objectively bad.

i'll see y'all in a month or so when i come back.

[Barleycorn]

btw the only concrete issue i had with gerry was that we agreed to massclaim and he never claimed.

"probably vt" is not a fucking claim

[Barleycorn]

I did scum read him but lost all motivation toward the end of d1 due to outside circumstances.

[Barleycorn]

I felt like keyser should have totally been scum read. I felt his posts lack substance or feeing. But obviously I'm already biased

I would've scumread Keyser too i think and don't get why he was everyone's highest tr. but hey, it worked!

game was extremely lethargic, i couldn't really do much other than tr people who were talking (though he stopped toward the end) and sr people who were inactive/contributing garbage

[Barleycorn]

wait wheme lynch was the last one right? i guess i could have yelled about not lynching him but i really wasn't even sure he was town.