Mini 1875: Pine's Death Trap Post Game - Town win!

[RadiantCowbells]

I TOLD EVERYONE IM JAILING SHEEP TONIGHT. I WONT CHANGE MY MIND

IF THIS IS A TOWNFLIP THEN IF SHEEP IS SCUM IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU DID

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MBG JUST

THINK

UR JOB TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION YOU CAN MAKE.

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I mean it doesn't matter since you're getting basically autolynched anyway lol.

Too bad Rauth's fakeclaim made us not lynch you today.

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lol.

do you think I don't realize what happened

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Rauth, next time just fucking retract your claim.

It would have let town make an informed decision which would have involved not lynching you.

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Like I wasn't even reading you for alignment. I was reading you on sheer backup cop vs not and you being backup cop made no sense whatsoever. If you had retracted you would have made this game so much easier.

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WE ARE LYNCHING MBG TOMORROW NO QUESTIONS ANYONE WHO TRIES TO DEFEND MBG IS GETTING POWERLYNCHED.

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Read this game again.
It is so fucking obvious that MBG knew that Rauth wasn't actually roleblocked by him
He was trying to bait out the claim

And look at Coop sheep the likely scumpartner: JK claim comes out and he's immediately like wtf massclaim because he's LOOKING FOR THE COUNTERCLAIM TO HIS SCUMBUDDY.
That's why Coop has been so fucking rattled today because he's been looking for a RBer claim that doesn't exist because of Rautherdir's fakeclaim.

Now MBG in twilight is just flying out with 'OH LOOK IM OBVIOUSLY TOWN CUZ I CCED THE RBER' when it's fucking obvious that's bullshit. and the sketchy af jailkeeper claim.

see I thought both were scum because the claims made no sense but I was wrong it's just MBG and Rauth is actually VT here

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Setup is BP, Motion Detector, Cop vs Goon/Goon/Goon.

*drops mic*

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*DROPS THE FUCKING MIC*

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what a troll game t b h.

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Sorry I fucked this up.

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In fairness in what fucking universe do you expect a backup cop claim to be a fakeclaiming vt

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Request shortened night

I expect you or LUV to get NKed but I'll carry on the legacy.

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This is a legendary game don't fight it

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Tbh I'm not like 100%sies on coop but MBG has to die.

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The situation just makes so much fucking sense when sheep is scum though because his confusion at the lack of a CC is so palpable

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The MBG cc. You immediately went for a mass claim when no one cced because you wanted to figure out who ACTUALLY roleblocked the cop claim and that's where all this 'AHH TOWN SO HEAVY' shit came from.

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inno keyser
inno sheep
guilty LUV

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

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VOTE: gin

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y does it matter what confscum claims its not like they're gonna tell the truth

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so you're saying you never scumread me?

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I was the backup cop. I tried my best to see if I could get a retraction from Rautherdir but he didn't so I lynched them.

I would have copped them N2 but I expect them to, y'know, die.

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Could be. Town seems pretty ridiculously jacked atm.

But LUV is confscum.

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Uh because you were being a jackass and pushing on me and there was all the uncertainty around MBG.

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I call you a jackass with all the love in the world btw. <3

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You are 1 of the lynches between now and lylo btw.

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Also I expected Fro99er to run into the day phase and go absolutely berserk trying to powerlynch mBG

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Ehh. It's not too bad.

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UNVOTE:

Stuff to do today before we lynch. MBG who did you target

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I have a few people I want to talk to before we NL

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Before we lynch MBG* lol.

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BEFOER WE LYNCH LUV*

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Also it's just as possible that the shot was made at me so.

I think you're town but I'm not willing to write you off as confirmed at this time.

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I want to sort the VTs today since I may not be alive tomorrow.

We're not lynching anytime soon.

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I hard pushed you and twilight to make sure the nightkill wouldn't be aimed at either of you

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you and sheep in twilight*

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Oh yeah I forgot I wasn't claiming that.

Yeah, you're confirmed town and you weren't getting lynched anyway

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If I die tonight it's not autowin.

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Actually you're right yeah this is autowin

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well we'll see if scum want to play this out.

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I'm not sure if I even bother to read this game given that I think it's autowin

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this was actually a really fun game though. vt fakeclaimed backup cop with an inno on the real backup cop who claimed bulletproof. I dream of this game being the site meta.

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Cooperative sheep, I believe I've made it pretty obvious who I think you are. With the stipulation that I don't let it go beyond me if you tell me, am I right?

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The inno on me saved this game in a lot of ways.

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Like I wasn't sure what's going on because that claim was super town motivated but I felt like he might have been like scum vanilla cop / neopolitan who knew I was an unspec. pr.
His claim of backup cop didn't line with his play either, particularly on day 1. If he retracted and claimed VT I think we would have lynched LUV and just stomped from there.

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I might nom this game for game of the year. I think this was one helluva game and I honestly can't think of any games that I thought were as hilarious and dynamic as this one.

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+1 nancy

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is gin at l-1 yet?

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the real question is why gin is claiming to have motion detected me when that's literally the dumbest night action possible

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hmm

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Still processing 'in what universe does someone claim to have motion detected me last night'

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Wow I condemned that my CC couldn't possibly be the role they said they were. Who done thought it.

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...why would I be?

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That said, yes I was thinking female only it's hard for me to exclude players just because they are male or female. It's more about how a person plays the game.
Played with rc and the emotional role coaster and it reminded of a few women I've dealt with.
In the end I denied kyndy for not sending a pick.

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err sorry I'll selfvote now so you can town read me.

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no I was confirmed town based on the fact that in no universe was I letting JJD bus me and even if for some reason I decided to be JJD's bitch there's no way he reacts so cleanly to that fake inno. and why would i do scummy stuff why wouldn't I just push lynches and, y'know, win the game.

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I'm starting to feel like Fro99er is the last scum which actually makes me kinda irritated

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LUV committed the nightkill

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I suggest jailing Sheep tonight.

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I don't have an indisputable inno on Sheep. I do have an indisputable guilty on LUV slot. That's all I feel like claiming atm.

My flip will tell you all you need to know about my role.

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I fake innoed Coop to see the reactions of Luv/Coop because I've been tying those slots together a lot on recent readings. This kind of reads like how scum!LUV reacts when they know my claim is fake because of the inno.

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Fmpov the best jailing slots are Fro99er/Cooperative Sheep and I do not want to leave town dealing with conftown Fro99er whereas conftown Cooperative Seeh seems pretty okay.

Plus I think at this point that Coop is the most likely scumpartner so it's just solid alll around.

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Like there's a chance that Fro99er is scum and just berserk hard defended his scumbuddy but scum!Cooperative Sheep requires far less assumptions and is just cleaner.

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I'll track Fro99er, you jailkeep Sheep. sounds good?

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Eh.

I'll decide who I'm tracking at night. I don't want scum to know who to kill if Sheep's town.

Ready for night?

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VOTE: Gin

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I still trust nancy very little. My track is going to be between frogger and nancy near 100% of the time.

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If I die I want nancy to be one of the lynches 100%.

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gl guys.

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gg

VOTE: thinkbig

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scum must have no killed to frame cooperative sheep

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just unvote and can everyone chill their tiny nipples out until tomorrow because I want to sleep.

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I mean theoretically it doesn't change their endgame because our last night results are rendered useless.

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I want time to sit and think. time to sit and think is a good thing for RCs. but RCs also need sleep and this RC is tired af so it wants to go to sleep and doesn't want to see a hammer.

please unvote.

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matt do you really think that you understand something here that I don't with regards to mechanics?

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just please. give me the benefit of the doubt. let me do my thing. let's win today and not somewhere down the line.

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I'm not saying that we don't lynch cooperative sheep but I am definitely saying that we sit here and do shit before we start voting.

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please just whatever you are going to say I already know it. Maybe I just want the satisfaction of lynching scum again today.

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I'm going to bed. I will be pissed if we lynch cooperative sheep before I get a chance to post and livid if we do so without getting to claim targets.

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I think Grendel is town. everyone else can die.

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I would like to jail Coop and lynch outside of him today.

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If anyone hammers you're automatically jailing them.

Please fucking stop being stupid lemmings and chill the fuck out.

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Keeping that to myself for now.

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Nancy prepare to be bullied you big nerd.

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Ok, sure. MBG jailkept me I'm assuming because I have no result.

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Or maybe he didn't. Either way I'm keeping it to myself.

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Nancy I am promoting you to the title of Honorary Keyser in Absence of Keyser. You are to strongly encourage people to stop rushing the days with me. thank you.

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Oh my god.

We are not going to sit here and drag days to deadline.

Yes, we are. deal with it.

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goodbye fro99er

VOTE: Fro99er

This can be speedlynched and just jail sheep again.

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We don't know that the last scum is a goon. I would not be surprised if there's some shenanigans to come out of the last scum slot.
I am not trusting the game to autowin before I do everything I can to ensure that we lynch correctly.

If you want to fight me here, fro99er, after you've literally been the scum mvp of the game attempting to powerlynch the jailkeeper and hard defending LUV, I'll bring this down to 5 way before we start solving.

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We know that Cooperative Sheep is *probably* incapable of shenanigans if they are scum. That makes them a bad lynch for today. They will die before endgame though.
It makes more sense to lynch in the unconfirmed pool for now. And no Fro99er I don't know you're not scum. In fact you're my second biggest scumread atm.

I haven't forgotten that you never adequately explained why JJD was so superultraobvscum or why Uzi was so superultraobvtown.

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Yes Fro99er I talked to you like you were town because this conversation is pointless if you're scum.

If scum!Coop wants to stop wasting time and accept defeat then I am fine with that otherwise we are going to play the game regardless of how many people are left.

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Is that your attempt to reintroduce me to the lynchpool?

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I'm a Town Motion Dectector. I targeted Jar N1 and I targeted Anakrin's slot N2.

Bull fucking shit

VOTE: LUV

I'm a Town Motion Dectector. I targeted Jar N1 and I targeted Anakrin's slot N2.

Did you see anything N1 or N2?

Both didn't perform an action or have one performed on them. That's why I initially doubted my read on Jar going into D2.

Scum slip.

The Motion Detector learns if any actions were performed by or on a player, but not what they were, or who else was involved.

If you are a motion detector, you would know that a motion detector doesn't know what actions that player performed. The fact that you don't know this shows that your claim is bull shit.

LUV, why did you decide to use your motion detector on my slot instead of the claimed back up cop?

WHY WOULD HE EVER USE IT ON THE CLAIMED BACK UP COP W T F

VOTE: THINKBIG

Perhaps I'm not understanding the motion detector role correctly. Had he targeted the back up cop, wouldn't he have gotten a jailkeeper result if MBG is being honest about his claim and assuming that he visited rauth?

Someone help me understand what a motion detector does and what results he would get. If a motion detector visits a someone and that person is visited by a JK, for example, wouldn't his results say that person X was visited by a Jk?

NO

it would just say "an action was performed on or by your target"

not what that action was.

Got it. Sorry I misunderstood the wiki.

UNVOTE: LUV

This sort of feels to me like it comes from a TB who knows that LUV is bullshitting about the claim.
TB, why were you so dead set that the motion detector was scum all of a sudden? The whole situation feels really weird.

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We aren't lynching Cooperative sheep today. Period. Don't anyone dare hammer.

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Do you see why it feels to me like you might have already known that he was scum?

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Keep in mind sheep boy is scum 90%+ of the time I'm just going to do this properly.

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My tier list is

Sheep > Fro99er > TB > Nancy > Grendel

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Please MBG for the love of Annie stop.

What would have happened if I didn't slow town the fuck down when everyone wanted to powerlynch you?

There's a value to taking it s l o w. Let's take it s l o w this game.

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MBG please for the love of Annie just unvote. What if scum has, say, an odd night roleblocker that we haven't taken into account?

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Please MBG for the love of Annie stop.

What would have happened if I didn't slow town the fuck down when everyone wanted to powerlynch you?

There's a value to taking it s l o w. Let's take it s l o w this game.

We win regardless of who we lynch as long as we don't lynch me or you so no there is no value

YOU HAVEN'T EVEN CLAIMED A JAILKEEP TARGET FOR TOMORROW.

MBG YOU NEED TO REALLY STOP NOW.

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We had a quickhammer on cop
we had a fakeclaimg that nearly got our jk mislynched
we had someone who 'might' be town attempt to throw themselves in the way of a scum lynch.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO ANY MORE ANTI-TOWN BULLSHIT.

THIS

IS ANTI-TOWN BULLSHIT. WHAT WOULD KEYSER DO HERE.

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Everyone stop

I want you to ask yourselves

what would keyser do?

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WWKD?

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Fro99er remember when JJD deliberately ignored information I gave to push a scumread on me?

You are deliberately ignoring my proposed odd-night roleblocker that could throw a wrench in our plans.

We are playing this game properly.

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Nothing. But they could no kill in an attempt to later get falsely confirmed as inno.

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There are MANY possibilities of which that is only one.

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VOTE: ThinkBig

Okay, that's what I was looking for.

NEWSFLASH I AM NOT TRACKER. I AM BP AS I ORIGINALLY CLAIMED. COOPERATIVE IS NOT CONFIRMED SCUM NOW LAY OFF.

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As many times as it takes to win the game.

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Lynch all liars.

Coming from the person who saw me fakeclaim PGO in a previous game as VT and understood why I did it.

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Also, my motivation for all of my gambitting in this game has been the same: keep MBG alive. I called him scum to divert the nightkill and fakeclaimed a guilty to divert the nightkill again.

I don't think that anyone can legitimately push a scumread on me here, hence TB resorting to lynch all liars.

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JFC CALM YOUR TITS WITH THIS HAMMERING BUSINESS.

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We can speeedlynch this today since this play by TB is just insane but if this flips town we sit down tomorrow and reevaluate the shit out of the game.

MBG, you are rejailing Sheep, correct?

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GIT DUNKED

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And yeah tbh cooperative sheep was my biggest townread at the end. him and grendel. I was gonna fucking lose some shit.

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You guys got played twice in a row, first by not killing MBG then by again not killing MBG and shooting me instead.

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Fro99er was really useful because I could play off of his tunnel with the together we ride thing to make it look like there was a town consensus that MBG was getting powerlynched

then I was like super certain that LuV was scum and just tired of the shit and figured I could bait that NK so I pulled that fakeclaim. I knew LUV would submit too.

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Oh shit lol I thought Gin would obviously submit the NK because he wouldn't be RBed. Lol.

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Wait why didn't you kill MBG then?

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Uhh I'm neighbours with Nancy.

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Non-bulletproof neighbours with Nancy fwiw.

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Also I just want to say Transcend literally posted 3 times in neighbourhood by the time I voted him.

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Oops sorry <3

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Btw TB if you are actually vt trolling please say something now so we can establish night actions.

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Yeah I'm just a VT shitting with you. MBG, jail sheep again tonight.

Please answer honestly because I may need to tackle the game again.

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Ok. I'll refrain from doing stuff that's illegal while this is ongoing just in case though unless dead chat starts popping in.

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Don't try to figure out my role but do try to figure out my motivations for what I'm doing. As long as you correctly deduced that I'm town you got everything covered.

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You made it really fucking obvious that you knew that the Motion Detector claim was fake. That's what clued me in to you being scum. I submitted a 'night action' to track you fwiw because I was p sure u scum.

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Yeah I read that from you as genuine but it felt like frustration genuine like you were salty about the thing in general. I agree that MD was kind of bad since it helped me poe him.

The real issue with MD claim is that it gets RESULTS on Jailkeeper/Cop but NO RESULT on the neighbours. In short it's the perfect weak investigative for scum to have to tide it over.

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I feel like I was confirmed town based on JJD's reaction to my being innoed. you can't fake that.

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We should!

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Psh. you're not allowed to push on me unless we're scumbuddies.

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What's going in your sig? :O

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Probably?

I thought TB was 95% scum at the start of the day but I wanted to approach it low-key btw.

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No we're roommates. I actually looked over at her screen now that the game is over and confirmed that she's town.

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Probably?

I thought TB was 95% scum at the start of the day but I wanted to approach it low-key btw.

This was legit. I can post the PM I sent to the mod when he officially ends it. I don't 100% trust you lol TB.

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I definitely have the highest lie count tbh. There's so little I told the truth about this game.

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I'll be your big brother

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I figured something was up with your push on me at the start of the game immediately. I actually thought you were like an alt or something.

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Apparently that's a common thing.

That said, yes I was thinking female only it's hard for me to exclude players just because they are male or female. It's more about how a person plays the game.
Played with rc and the emotional role coaster and it reminded of a few women I've dealt with.

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RC is an RC.

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You're awesome the way you are

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You too!

Just please don't throw yourself in front of people's lynches no matter how sure you are.

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I AIN'T GONNA BE PART OF THIS SYSTEM MAN RUB THAT GARBAGE IN ANOTHER MAN'S FACE

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I'M AN ADULT PLEASE YOU CAN'T BUY ME HOT DOG MAN

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Gif dead/scum threads.

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it's ok we kept the real cop alive

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dat sexy gin guilty

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I mean in the end I just assumed that I had been shot at so it didn't really factor into anything except increased suspicion of ThinkBig's not believing my tracker claim.

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I figured that you and Cooperative would have known that I was bluffing with my claim.

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Which claim of mine do you believe hurt down or had serious potential to?

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The guilty was never about getting Gin lynched. Gin was dying and I was never going to let anyone else get touched. The guilty was about making sure that MBG didn't get NKed. It worked.

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I didn't expect dead thread to be a bunch of people bitching about me.

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And who was it that saw right through that again and wanted to lynch TB since the moment they saw the flip?

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Ok. speaking specifically gambits wise:

do you or do you not think that me treating mbg like confscum in the EOD of D3 contributed to him surviving? Was that a good or a bad thing?

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Hell, if I hadn't been fake innod I may or may not have been lynched D2. If I was do you think town ends up winning?

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Fair enough. And I'm not intending to defend Rautherdir because I believe that they hurt town badly in a number of ways and should have immediately retracted on D3.

But I don't think anything I did hurt town besides the Gerry push and besides having an incorrect read I don't think anything there was my fault.

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Yes you were. I figured we had one person outside of me/MBG who we had to assume was town for the end and my first choice was you.

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If Cooperative Sheep wasn't a universal scumread it may have been him too but I didn't feel like fighting crowd sentiment when I was equally certain that you were town.

Idk it's just kind of rattling that I started the JJD wagon, immediately called the associatives with LUV, only to get sidetracked by town fakeclaiming (and if Fro99er wasn't so adamant I'd have still insisted on lynching Uzi that day), then immediately nailed Gin/TB in consecution to read a dead thread of people bitching about my play.

Even if you don't like my gambits I feel like my scumhunting after the Gerryoat fuckup was on point. I am sad.

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Grendel was so obvtown. Were you being sarcastic?

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I was talking to Transcend but yes.

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also let's be 100% clear
gin you were dying the next day. you were not walking that one off.
the guilty was to bait a nightkill and keep MBG alive, not because I had any doubt that you would die.

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and frankly if you genuinely believe that I had no chance of lynching you then it doesn't make sense to fault me for guiltying you: what was my other chance of victory?