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[Selynee]

VOTE: Dogwatch

Reading the thread:
68- You vote because you say you agree with Fire. Fair enough, but

304- Bringing the fact that you had the same read as Transcend.
318- "if you guys", again bringing up what others are doing.
465- Looks familiar.
506- Again, looks familiar.

Basically, from what I see you keep relaying on what others said or agree to vote with them.

@Barley- Why do you think Dogwatch is town. I'm not seeing it.

[Selynee]

why specifically is this pattern scum indicative?

A way to participate in a lynch without having to take the blame for it. For example, in 452- she says she townreads mozamis. In 458, asks you what is wrong with a post mozamis made. Then votes her based on the fact that she trusts you. Now, if mozamis flips town, who is going to be blamed the most for the lynch. Probably not Dogwatch.

[Selynee]

Frank gave reads without explaining any of them. Maybe except in 138, but it wasn't a direct explanation. His last post is weird and don't know how to read it: try to play reverse psychology or just doesn't care (which could come from both alignments).

[Selynee]

all you're doing here is showing why scum might do x, but not why scum are more likely than town to do x or why dogwatch is scum because she did x

you also ignored the rest of my counter point which i will replicate again if you missed it

Yes, I did answer why I think it is more beneficial from a mafia perspective than a town one. The fact that she is very active but votes mostly following others leads looks to me more like someone trying to avoid "blend in" and avoid attention following a lynch. Could I be wrong and she is just unsure of her abilities or this is the way she likes to play.... yes, this is why I've asked what you've seen. I've got that you see her as earnest, but I was waiting to show me where.

Also, what did you expect to learn from this question "why x is scum because he/she did y"? when I've already explained to you my supposition. Something else than a supposition? "Why is x scum because she made a self-conscious post"- "Why is y scum because he doesn't contribute"

[Selynee]

Player list

DogWatch TOWN
mozamis TOWN
Selynee (NorskaBlue) VI

1) Why do you think Dogwatch is town.
2) Is your read on mozamis only in relation with momo being scum or is it an independent read.
3) Do I get an award?

[Selynee]

Better than VI, I guess.
I agree with momo, but I've got the same impression from Frank- displaying a lot of confidence. To a lesser degree, gerryoat, as I have a feeling this is his playstyle.

[Selynee]

This is interesting- why Eddie?

[Selynee]

why is momo town the consensus?

Don't think it is a consensus when three people are voting for him. Anyway, I tend to think he is town, because 639 and 641, he seems confident and inviting an investigation as mafia looks for me like a double sword with a great risk involved, and I can't think why someone would do it D1.
Why did you unvote?

[Selynee]

I don't see anything in that quote from Frank. Even if it is true, it can be an excuse to be mostly absent D1.

Don't see any possibility where an investigative role with a guilty won't try at his/her best to lynch you, even if they won't out themselves. The way I see, he is either town or a very confident mafia.

[Selynee]

1)"Sheepy" is not scum-indicative as I've pretty much did the same in my game. It was that and the fact that she kept that she agrees with somebody else before voting that made me think she was trying to take the responsibility off herself.

2) This is a nice theory. But if this hypothetical miss lynch goes, how are you going to "sort out" someone who might say "X and Y were my town reads, I didn't have a townread on Z so I've voted with them". Or are you mostly going to interrogate the ones who provided reasons and tried to get that person lynched?

3) I wasn't actually soft-challenging mozamis's read on Eddie. It was actual curiosity, as the way I see it, Eddie is one of the most involved and logical players (along with Barley)- I've actually wanted to see his reasons for not trusting him. As for Transcend, I've wanted to see the reasons for his reads and understand his logic- granted, I've failed.

4) Yes, a character flaw. To be blunt, I've read momo's play more like town than very confident mafia firstly because we are D1 and because momo wasn't himself in the best position (as in being mostly town-read) when he made the offer to be investigated, neither do I read him (till this moment) as having some ability to convince everyone he must be town.

5) "Time to shout"- very unlikely to happen. Tried for 12 years, doubt I'll succeed now because of a mafia game.

[Selynee]

A hammer does the trick

Talk about an unhesitant person.



Don't think that those posts from mozamis are the scummiest in the entire game, but I'm pretty sure FireScreamer is sincere.

[Selynee]

I think gerry is town

Once again in pulling alot of this out of my ass

What makes you think gerry is town?

fire doing nka before there's even a nk?

Do you think this is this relevant given that he is talking about himself being hypothetically nk'ed?

[Selynee]

No, it is not incoherent. Look, it was basically an analysis of a completely hypothetical nk, and I don't see how it has any relevance on Fire being mafia or town. If he is mafia, he will obviously not be nk'ed. Guess you might not have liked that post based on being pure speculation, but what was the purpose of it?

[Selynee]

I know. Because if he would have done a nk analysis before a nk happened for someone else, this might have had a chance to tell us something about his alignment. If he did for himself- than no, as if he is scum, a nk would not happen. Your initial question was kind of useless.

[Selynee]

Your overall contribution? No, I've already said you are one of the most involved players.

[Selynee]

Have no idea yet. Just some ideas

Gerryoat- to be fair, I don't have any reason to think he is town. The most important interaction was his vote on momo, and if I've understood the situation correctly, his vote was related to a thing from epic mafia. Didn't really understood it, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't have much relevance in this game.
Transcend- involved in this game, won't pretend to understand his logic and his quickly changed reads (especially regarding gerryoat). Maybe you can understand him better.
Momo- technically did what could be considered the most...dishonest thing in the game, but I've already explained by reasons for leaning town on him.
Mozamis gave me some pause with the very early reads, especially since on her town block were the most active players but then again he seems like a player who changes his reads a lot regardless of alignment. Would still be interested though in why he put Eddie as a scum read (it is actual curiosity here)
SS- not much to go on. If he isn't town, my theory is wrong and Dogwatch is probably town.
WhemeStar- I will see.

[Selynee]

Man, I'd like someone to explain that to me...

[Selynee]

No, I never did. Already said why. Transcend hammered, so I didn't include him in my list.

[Selynee]

Ok, I see this now.

[Selynee]

@mozamis- they didn't really change from 956. Other than the face I know now Transcend was town. Why do you have/did you have Eddie as a scumread.

Momo, what convinced you after rereading to vote moz?

[Selynee]

No, I didn't. Would have said so if I had reasons to townread him, but my point that he didn't explained his reads stayed. I did have in mind his 540, but couldn't decide if he was confident because he was town, or decided to play confident after being called out for a vote without explanation that pit someone close to being lynched.

Don't really think I've dodged the question though. Repeating the same ideas twice don't really make them any more insightful.

[Selynee]

I suspect fire is scum, since he seemed too tunnelly. Partilarly coming back in saying "yeah, nothings changed, moz is scum". Classic scum maneovere. We had a lynch, a flip. But no new reads or thoughts from him. Cos its hard to make shit up as scum, so he's gone for the vote park strategy.

There weren't many new reads from anyone in this game after the lynch and the flip. Why is Fire different from Dogwatch or gerryoat (for example)?

What is your read on Eddie?

[Selynee]

Fire seems more town then Moz. Much rather lynch Moz over him

Why do you think we should only lynch between Fire and Mozamis?

@Momo- What are your thoughts on both players? What made you switch from being convinced to vote for mozamis to saying that while dire has more towncred, "it could go either way"?

[Selynee]

Momo prob town

Why?

[Selynee]

sorry for helping to ruin this game but momo, sely, shadow, and fire did much more work on that account.

Sorry about this, but while I might be useless, I didn't try to ruin anyone's game.

[Selynee]

Yes, one game, replaced in the second...