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Post Post #2442 (isolation #400) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:51 am

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I mean it's way more likely a coincidence than anything else but sure.
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Post Post #2445 (isolation #401) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:55 am

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tbh nancy your last page feels really fake and it feels like you're cracking under attrition.
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Post Post #2446 (isolation #402) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:55 am

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tbh nancy your last page feels really fake and it feels like you're cracking under attrition.
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Post Post #2448 (isolation #403) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:02 am

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=(
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Post Post #2452 (isolation #404) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:08 am

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I want to TR you nancy I really do but I'm just not :(
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Post Post #2456 (isolation #405) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:10 am

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not lynching mbg at this time
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Post Post #2467 (isolation #406) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:16 am

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I claim that goon/goon/roleblocker vs bp/cop/backup cop is scum sided to the point of being unpassable. I would never pass it. Mykonian would not have.

I don't know Fire or Mastin's ideas of balance but what you're claiming is flat out impossible.
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Post Post #2470 (isolation #407) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:19 am

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If there is then MBG can reenter consideration and that's why I support Cooperative Sheep's call for a massclaim. But as is the only PR that could be fakeclaiming is Rautherdir and that would require a 3 goon scumteam or goon/jacked mafia PR.
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Post Post #2472 (isolation #408) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:20 am

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In post 2469, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 2467, RadiantCowbells wrote:I claim that goon/goon/roleblocker vs bp/cop/backup cop is scum sided to the point of being unpassable. I would never pass it. Mykonian would not have.

I don't know Fire or Mastin's ideas of balance but what you're claiming is flat out impossible.
Just speculating, but what if it were 3 goons vs bp/cop/backup cop/JK? That would appear to make the game far too town sided.
Yeah, that would in fact be town sided.

I think the setup is more likely one of

goon/goon/roleblocker
goon/minor pr/role cop
goon/minor pr/neopolitan
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Post Post #2476 (isolation #409) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:22 am

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bulletproof is the sticking point to me that sorta confirms the jailkeeper. there's zero purpose in my role without some way to prevent deaths.
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Post Post #2478 (isolation #410) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:23 am

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otherwise this basically goes 1 shot at me, oh this person didn't die, no more shots aimed at me the rest of the game. I bring the game to evens and no benefit from my role existing.
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Post Post #2479 (isolation #411) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:24 am

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I mean if MattBlack was something more like Scum JoAT with 1 Jailkeep, 1 Roleblock, 1 Commute- this setup could make a lot more sense.

Rautherdir, who did you target might I ask?
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Post Post #2483 (isolation #412) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:25 am

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so you would be the potential ascetic but that depends on a MBG/Fro99er scumteam at this poitn.
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Post Post #2489 (isolation #413) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:31 am

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VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

that was easy.
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Post Post #2499 (isolation #414) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:35 am

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Cop
Backup Cop
Full Jailkeeper
Full Bulletproof
Full Motion Detector

something ain't adding up here mang.
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Post Post #2501 (isolation #415) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:36 am

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I think it's still worth considering the possibility that Rautherdir was actually scums. And uh ThinkBig he claimed the information that he had: why are you implying he lied?
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Post Post #2507 (isolation #416) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:45 am

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y wud he target rauth...
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Post Post #2515 (isolation #417) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:55 am

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WHY WOULD HE EVER USE IT ON THE CLAIMED BACK UP COP W T F

VOTE: THINKBIG
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Post Post #2519 (isolation #418) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:58 am

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In post 2517, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 2515, RadiantCowbells wrote:WHY WOULD HE EVER USE IT ON THE CLAIMED BACK UP COP W T F

VOTE: THINKBIG
Perhaps I'm not understanding the motion detector role correctly. Had he targeted the back up cop, wouldn't he have gotten a jailkeeper result if MBG is being honest about his claim and assuming that he visited rauth?
In post 2500, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 2496, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 2494, Fro99er wrote:
In post 2488, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm a Town Motion Dectector. I targeted Jar N1 and I targeted Anakrin's slot N2.
Did you see anything N1 or N2?
Both didn't perform an action or have one performed on them. That's why I initially doubted my read on Jar going into D2.
Scum slip.
The Motion Detector learns if any actions were performed by or on a player, but not what they were, or who else was involved.
If you are a motion detector, you would know that a motion detector doesn't know what actions that player performed. The fact that you don't know this shows that your claim is bull shit.
>scumslipped because doesn't know what actions the player performed
>but he would have known that there was a jailkeeper action on them
>???
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Post Post #2521 (isolation #419) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:58 am

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Good with a roleblocker though!
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Post Post #2534 (isolation #420) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:03 am

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if you guys lynch mbg I will policy down the line of people voting for him. he's not going to flip scum.
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Post Post #2537 (isolation #421) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:05 am

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actually they can as unlikely as it is. and why wouldn't we lynch luv
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Post Post #2539 (isolation #422) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:07 am

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13. -Grey-, Town Weak Vanilla Cop, was killed Night 1
10. Frozen Angel, Town 1-shot Rolestopper, was killed Night 2
8. Garmr, Town Non-Consecutive Watcher, was killed Night 3
2. PantherPunt, Town Motion Detector, was killed Night 5
1. mlmooney89, Town Odd-Night Role Cop, was lynched Day 6

oh?
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Post Post #2543 (isolation #423) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:08 am

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oh, and all it faced was

a nerfed ascetic
an encryptor
and a 1-shot roleblocker

so are you really going to tell me that you know how much power should or should not be in a setup
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Post Post #2544 (isolation #424) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:08 am

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I don't know but I do know we aren't lynching MBG today.
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Post Post #2546 (isolation #425) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:10 am

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mafia is hard for town m8. keep in mind that in mountainous all it takes is 1 scum being in the top half of the towniest people for scum to win.
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Post Post #2549 (isolation #426) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:10 am

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if mbg is scum - who is his partner?
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Post Post #2553 (isolation #427) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:12 am

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Why does Sheep push a massclaim that he knows will out his partner?
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Post Post #2558 (isolation #428) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:16 am

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Fro99er I'm not getting the impression that you've seriously thought through the majority of the stuff you're pushing and yet you're pushing it like you have a guilty.

I would like you to stop pushing people, do a full reset, read the game through from the beginning, and not try to lynch anyone until you've thought through everything. please.
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Post Post #2560 (isolation #429) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:16 am

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I'm not saying MBG can't be scum I'm saying you have to do a little more legwork than that.
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Post Post #2566 (isolation #430) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:22 am

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Fro99er last time I remember you being this certain on something you were mason and powerlynching someone who had called out all 3 remaining scum.
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Post Post #2567 (isolation #431) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:25 am

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I'm gonna proceed under the assumption that 1 pr claim is scum and move from there.
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Post Post #2575 (isolation #432) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:57 pm

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>.<
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Post Post #2579 (isolation #433) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:28 pm

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ehhhhh hold up.
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Post Post #2580 (isolation #434) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:31 pm

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I'm inevitably coming back to the conclusion that the backup cop is the fake PR claim.
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Post Post #2581 (isolation #435) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:32 pm

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I mean I guess JK could be fake but 1-shot BP + JK is a time honoured tradition. More setups with a 1-shot BP have a town JK than don't, by a large margin.
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Post Post #2582 (isolation #436) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:32 pm

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Mine is just a jacked up version of the same role and I'm finding it more and more difficult to believe that. just ugh.
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Post Post #2583 (isolation #437) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:33 pm

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There's a faker in the PR claims 100%.
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Post Post #2584 (isolation #438) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:33 pm

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I think cop/backupcop/bp/jailkeeper ALONE demarcates all 3 scum having some sort of PR. We had a goon flip. It's just ehhh
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Post Post #2585 (isolation #439) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:34 pm

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and don't get me wrong scum roleblockers/jailkeepers are fucking jacked up strong btu.
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Post Post #2586 (isolation #440) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:34 pm

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We are lynching in the VTs here: period.
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Post Post #2587 (isolation #441) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:37 pm

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Like I've been pushing to jack up towns for a long time but this is way too jacked up of a town.
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Post Post #2588 (isolation #442) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:38 pm

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Goon
1-Shot Strongman
Jailkeeper

vs

Cop
Backup Cop
Motion Detector
BP
VT~

Goon
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vs

Cop
Jailkeeper
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no that doesn't even add up.
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Post Post #2589 (isolation #443) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:39 pm

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FUCK
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Post Post #2590 (isolation #444) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:40 pm

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The real question here is can I even imagine

JK
Cop
Backupcop
BP

and I'm not sure the answer is yes.
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Post Post #2591 (isolation #445) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:41 pm

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Like backup cop and jailkeeper seem so contradictory. We have a way to protect the cop but even if it dies we have a backup? like that feels so shitty for scum.
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Post Post #2592 (isolation #446) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:43 pm

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We'd also have to assume that SOMEHOW the clownfucks on scum side didn't actually believe I was bulletproof even though my play was so obvious
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Post Post #2593 (isolation #447) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:44 pm

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But why the fuck does Rauth inno me like jesus.
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Post Post #2594 (isolation #448) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:44 pm

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that would go down as fail claim of the year
as scum falsely claim an inno on a universal scumread who is also bulletproof and you therefore can't kill away

SUCCESS
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Post Post #2595 (isolation #449) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:45 pm

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But then liek. rght
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Post Post #2596 (isolation #450) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:45 pm

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Keyser baited out that claim. Hard. Possible coaching but also possible Rautherdir just got scared and came up with an excuse.
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Post Post #2597 (isolation #451) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:05 pm

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Unless this entire situation was planned then Rautherdir looks more likely to be town.
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Post Post #2598 (isolation #452) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:08 pm

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Yeah I guess occam's razor says MBG is scum *shrug*
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Post Post #2601 (isolation #453) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:54 pm

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probably thinkbig tbh. I'm still processing at this point.
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Post Post #2605 (isolation #454) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:11 pm

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see I get the mbg making the most sense thing here

but every fiber in my gut is telling me something's wrong with the gamestate.
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Post Post #2608 (isolation #455) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:14 pm

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query fro99er: if the inno on me hadn't existed, what would you say the more likely person to be scum of the two of them was?
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Post Post #2610 (isolation #456) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:17 pm

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correct. sheer setup spec.
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Post Post #2613 (isolation #457) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:46 pm

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I question in what universe a cop with an inno says 'barring a very good argument for lynching RC'
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Post Post #2623 (isolation #458) » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:02 am

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I think you're writing off scum!Rauth too easily.

Not saying that there's no chance that Matt is town but I think we all need to give serious consideration to that possibility.
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Post Post #2644 (isolation #459) » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:39 am

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VOTE: Rautherdir

Why would Rautherdir as backup cop be at all confused if I claimed cop?
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Post Post #2648 (isolation #460) » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:40 am

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At the very least I am making Rautherdir answer to the weirdness of his play. I've seen scum do far weirder things before and if this was all brought out because the dude panicked when asked how he knew I was town...
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Post Post #2655 (isolation #461) » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:43 am

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Can yall just stop thanks. Even if Rautherdir is town we're making him explain himself. doing what you're doing is bad play no matter who scum is.
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Post Post #2702 (isolation #462) » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:46 pm

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Man like. I feel like everyone just dismissed the possibility of Rauth being scum outright and aren't really considering it fairly.

What kind of town cop doesn't say anything when their inno is getting lynched?
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Post Post #2712 (isolation #463) » Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:27 pm

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This reeks of one of the games where I'm right and everyone else is wrong.
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Post Post #2718 (isolation #464) » Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:43 pm

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i am literally the only person in this game who thinks rautherdir is more likely to be scum than mattblackguy
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Post Post #2723 (isolation #465) » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:39 pm

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k im gonna vote mbg since I don't expect to sway anyone but if he flips town the game is just a loss.
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Post Post #2724 (isolation #466) » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:43 pm

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VOTE: mbg
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Post Post #2726 (isolation #467) » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:49 pm

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Rauth is confscum if you're town. Anything to say to convince the laypeople?
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Post Post #2732 (isolation #468) » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:04 pm

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if rautherdir is scum I don't really have any remaining townreads.
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Post Post #2739 (isolation #469) » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:14 pm

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don't lol at me you butt :(
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Post Post #2740 (isolation #470) » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:14 pm

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I honestly fine it tough to believe that JK!MBG is refusing to lynch in the vts over lynching them.
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Post Post #2751 (isolation #471) » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:21 pm

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OK so if we lynch MBG and they flip scum:

Cop on Thinkbig
Motion detector @ discretion

they flip town:

cop is scum
motion detector @ discretion
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Post Post #2754 (isolation #472) » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:24 pm

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VT lynch still ain't bad.

UNVOTE:
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Post Post #2758 (isolation #473) » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:27 pm

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Why are you that sure that Thinkbig is the otehr scum?
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Post Post #2763 (isolation #474) » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:30 pm

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cassielle

thinkbig dumbtelled like crazy but not sure if scum.
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Post Post #2779 (isolation #475) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:29 am

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Regardless of sheep's alignment I don't see any inconsistency in their position.
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Post Post #2788 (isolation #476) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:42 am

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NLing isn't an impossible move tbh.
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Post Post #2796 (isolation #477) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:57 am

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In post 2793, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:The problem is that scum can opt to no kill and leave us in the same position we're in now.
with an extra cop investigation and motion detector result.

but yeah maybe not good move.
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Post Post #2846 (isolation #478) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:23 pm

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all of your mothers wear army bootsssssssss ok byeeeeeeeeeee
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Post Post #2857 (isolation #479) » Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:47 am

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Don't vote anyone for now actually.

I want to do more work in the VTs regardless of who we lynch.
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Post Post #2859 (isolation #480) » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:17 am

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Tbh if MBG is scum the last scum is easily deducable
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Post Post #2861 (isolation #481) » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:26 am

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why is it suicide
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Post Post #2862 (isolation #482) » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:26 am

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LITERALLY NO1 IS DEFENDING MBG IF THEY ARE SCUM SOMEONE IS BUSSING
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Post Post #2864 (isolation #483) » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:50 am

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where?
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Post Post #2876 (isolation #484) » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:00 pm

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ThinkMedium
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Post Post #2896 (isolation #485) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:06 pm

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Grendel is my current pick for scum-in-VTs.
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Post Post #2898 (isolation #486) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:17 pm

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Grendel, MBG, and JJD all started the game off by talking about me.
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Post Post #2899 (isolation #487) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:29 pm

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Still no lyncheroonies. Any quickhammers will be quicklynched tomorrow regardless of flip.
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Post Post #2911 (isolation #488) » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:17 am

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lol
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Post Post #2930 (isolation #489) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:37 am

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VOTE: MBG

Let's just do this if there's no possibility of me convincing people to vote Rautherdir.
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Post Post #2931 (isolation #490) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:44 am

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Idk like I want to scumread subsets of people on a MBG townflip for not taking me seriously here but literally no one did so.
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Post Post #2933 (isolation #491) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:47 am

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50/50 chance of hitting scum in PRs and if MBG is the actual JK he's not gonna ge a worthwhile result nor is he gonna get nightkilled.
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Post Post #2935 (isolation #492) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:49 am

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dudette you are so volatile that it's impossible to get anything from you.
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Post Post #2937 (isolation #493) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:52 am

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Part of my problem is I have no confidence in the VT I want to lynch *shrug*
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Post Post #2938 (isolation #494) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:53 am

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Rautherdir or MBG are super informative no matter what. Lynching VTs and hitting town is just *shrug*
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Post Post #2940 (isolation #495) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:55 am

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you're forgetting or deliberately misrepresenting or not understanding that MBG and Rauth aren't both town.
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Post Post #2943 (isolation #496) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:16 am

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If Rauth is town then he gets roleblocked. end story.
If MBG is town then Rauth submits the nightkill and we get nothing. end story.
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Post Post #2945 (isolation #497) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:22 am

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then luv would just get shot if he's town
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Post Post #2949 (isolation #498) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:28 am

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luv is irrelevant.

scum is in mbg/rauth.

motion detector is just null claim.
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Post Post #2952 (isolation #499) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:33 am

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if we lynch outside of prs luv just dies if he's town.
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Post Post #2955 (isolation #500) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:39 am

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it makes a ton of sense given that I have a meme level meta of fakeclaiming bulletproof as other prs.
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Post Post #2957 (isolation #501) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:42 am

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heh heh heh
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Post Post #2959 (isolation #502) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:44 am

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ok who do u propose we lync in the vts
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Post Post #2962 (isolation #503) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:47 am

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uhhhhhh
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Post Post #2963 (isolation #504) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:48 am

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lol
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Post Post #2968 (isolation #505) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:59 am

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4 scum
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Post Post #2970 (isolation #506) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:00 am

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ur red list is 4 scum is what im saying
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Post Post #2973 (isolation #507) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:03 am

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when you say grendel you mean akarin?
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Post Post #2978 (isolation #508) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:24 am

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If LUV is scum lynching in the VTs is a wholly fruitless endeavour. I don't think it's likely that all scum are in PRs but neither do I think it's utterly impossible.
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Post Post #2979 (isolation #509) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:25 am

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let's just lynch mbg and reevaluate from there.
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Post Post #2988 (isolation #510) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:31 am

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This is fun. Hi!
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Post Post #3003 (isolation #511) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:04 am

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lol
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Post Post #3006 (isolation #512) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:33 am

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I'm not?
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Post Post #3008 (isolation #513) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:43 am

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There is scum in the two of you. Luv may be scum independently.
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Post Post #3011 (isolation #514) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:43 am

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I don't know if I was shot.
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Post Post #3015 (isolation #515) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:52 am

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I could vote Gin.
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Post Post #3018 (isolation #516) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:06 am

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I, uh, don't want Matt dead so much? But I think there's not both a backup role cop and a jailkeeper.
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Post Post #3020 (isolation #517) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:11 am

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dood ur scummy you know that
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Post Post #3021 (isolation #518) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:12 am

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I am voting matt because I don't think there's a backup role cop and a jailkeeper.
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Post Post #3023 (isolation #519) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:14 am

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u just r man
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Post Post #3024 (isolation #520) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:15 am

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keep in mind i thought ur predecessor was the scummiest scumfuck to ever scumfuck a scumfuck.
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Post Post #3026 (isolation #521) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:17 am

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hory shet u replaced into a slot that I thought was scum.
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Post Post #3027 (isolation #522) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:21 am

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like why are you talking to confirmed town

if you're town go sort OTHER people
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Post Post #3034 (isolation #523) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:43 am

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Well that's good for you then since it means you will live another day.

Gin, who do you think is scum in Rautherdir/Matt? Read the whole game and come up with your best answer.
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Post Post #3046 (isolation #524) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:14 pm

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Nancy, what did you know about me before the start of this game?
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Post Post #3050 (isolation #525) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:13 pm

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Cuz like your opener feels like you are not talking to a stranger at all. It feels like you're talking to someone that you're already good friends with and one of the main things I can't reconcile in your play is why you opened on me the way that you did. Understanding the context for that would make this game a lot more understandable.

Why read my games though? What are/were your thoughts on me?
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Post Post #3052 (isolation #526) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:34 pm

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Wait. Which games of mine have you read?
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Post Post #3080 (isolation #527) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:58 am

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We are not lynching in VTs because there is no confirmed scum in VTs and there is confirmed scum in Rautherdir/MBG.
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Post Post #3089 (isolation #528) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:07 am

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VOTE: Rautherdir

Following my heart. can lynch MBG if absolutely have to.
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Post Post #3091 (isolation #529) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:10 am

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I think it's funny people think Rautherdir was just letting his inno get lynched and that he didn't immediately townread a cop claim.
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Post Post #3092 (isolation #530) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:11 am

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idk like if there were no claims my next 2 lynches would be rautherdir and mbg
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Post Post #3093 (isolation #531) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:12 am

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hell and town tried to lynch me like dummies on d2

and gerry got lynched

what's with these PRs getting scumread
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Post Post #3095 (isolation #532) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:17 am

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I fully agree that he had 'that result' planned at the start of D2.

I question whether he's actually town as a result of it. I wouldn't even be surprised if he's mafia backup cop.
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Post Post #3096 (isolation #533) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:18 am

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I can support MBG as well because there's also a fuckton of stuff that points to them being scum.

I can't support lynching outside of those 2.
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Post Post #3097 (isolation #534) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:20 am

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Wait a fucking minute who was the one doing all the serial killer speculation
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Post Post #3099 (isolation #535) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:28 am

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I just want a lynch. I am fine with lynching MBG.
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Post Post #3100 (isolation #536) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:33 am

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VOTE: MBG

I think both of them are scummy as all fuck. I am fine with w/e.
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Post Post #3113 (isolation #537) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:11 am

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If we lynch in the VTs scum will either kill Gin or kill in the TVs.
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Post Post #3117 (isolation #538) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:13 am

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I already explained why that's dumb.

Say Rauth is town.
MBG will just roleblock Rauth and claim not to have the next day. Scum nightkills the Motion Detector. Same 1v1 the next day.

Say MBG is town.
We'll be forcing MBG to target outisde of Rauth anyway so Rauth kills another VT and claims roleblocked. Same 1v1 the next day.
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Post Post #3119 (isolation #539) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:20 am

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We don't force mbg to target outside of Rauth. LUV targets Rauth and we know if he was genuinely roleblocked.
How do we know that Mafia don't have somethign else they can target Rauth with?
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Post Post #3121 (isolation #540) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:22 am

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Yes?

Or LUV is scum and lies.
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Post Post #3125 (isolation #541) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:26 am

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Your mom is Scum!Gin's play.
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Post Post #3128 (isolation #542) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:28 am

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:good:
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Post Post #3129 (isolation #543) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:29 am

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No because Gin would just get fking nightkilled.
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Post Post #3131 (isolation #544) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:30 am

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IT'S NOT A 1/3 OMG NANCY
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Post Post #3132 (isolation #545) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:31 am

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Motion Detector could be town/scum I am lumping it in with VTs.

There is a scum in Backup Cop / Jailkeeper.
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Post Post #3134 (isolation #546) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:33 am

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Post Post #3138 (isolation #547) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:36 am

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In post 3135, nancy wrote:It's 1/3. Lumping Gin in with VTs doesn't make sense.


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what's more likely
that i'm too stupid to realize that motion detector is a role
or that I understand something that you don't about the setup design
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Post Post #3140 (isolation #548) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:39 am

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the problem is here we have two situations that make sense

jailkeeper + BP on town to protect the cop, synergize with the cop (permanently invested), while not being follow the doc stupid.

BP + scum jailkeeper so that scum can fakeclaim a save but it gets cced by town and it's all a really interesting situation all around and scum gets a pr.
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Post Post #3141 (isolation #549) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:40 am

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You are Mafia Discussion, aligned with the Chat Boards.

You win when all Mafia Games have been stopped or nothing can prevent this from happening.
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Post Post #3143 (isolation #550) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:40 am

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Mafia-Related (Miller): You are related to Mafia and will show up as aligned with the Mafia-Games.
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Post Post #3147 (isolation #551) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:52 am

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yes
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Post Post #3151 (isolation #552) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:57 am

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Here's a thought: What if the Alisae kill was because MattBlack wnated a wide range of possible claimed JK targets?
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Post Post #3156 (isolation #553) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:03 pm

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Oh shit TB wanted to post UNVOTE:
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Post Post #3162 (isolation #554) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:06 pm

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it wasn't a hammer but ok
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Post Post #3163 (isolation #555) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:06 pm

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matt i've never seen you as scum.
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Post Post #3166 (isolation #556) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:09 pm

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lol nancy
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Post Post #3168 (isolation #557) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:10 pm

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nancy you have been so all over the place that if we were going to lynch in the vts it'd be you
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Post Post #3175 (isolation #558) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:15 pm

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That's how I play -the game-
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Post Post #3181 (isolation #559) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:18 pm

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In post 3177, Grendel wrote:
In post 3168, RadiantCowbells wrote:nancy you have been so all over the place that if we were going to lynch in the vts it'd be you
Can you not reflectively scum read people who scum read you?

Nancy is town imo
reflexive*ly

and nancy is the sketchies vt slot in game.
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Post Post #3183 (isolation #560) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:25 pm

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yes that's what i'm saying

well scum with someone *shrug*
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Post Post #3187 (isolation #561) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:33 pm

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Idk I'm stuck atm in this game. hence me wanting a flip
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Post Post #3196 (isolation #562) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:47 am

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I have a fucking legendary idea
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Post Post #3230 (isolation #563) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:42 am

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I feel like if I were playing this game a year ago I'd know exactly what to do but I don't and it feels really terrible.
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Post Post #3235 (isolation #564) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:29 am

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Not not okay with this but hold the fk up
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Post Post #3239 (isolation #565) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:37 pm

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Am I the only person who feels like Alisae is a LUV kill?
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Post Post #3240 (isolation #566) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:30 pm

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Like who else in this game makes that nightkill.
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Post Post #3241 (isolation #567) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:42 pm

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Ok, so here's MY RADIANTCOWBELLS POINT OF VIEW OF THE GAME.

Let's look at the PRs.

Bulletproof - Standalone. No comparison to anything else.

Jailkeeper - Sorta standalone. Links up positively with bulletproof.

but then we have

COP
BACKUP COP
MOTION DETECTOR

3 INVESTIGATIVE PR CLAIMS

what, 2 invest
NO
3 INVESTIGATIVE PR CLAIMS.


We lynch Rautherdir.
If he's scum, we lynch Cooperative Sheep and continue from there.

If he's town, we just won the game because the last two scum are MattBlack and LUV.

*drops mic*
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Post Post #3242 (isolation #568) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:48 pm

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Also MBG's iso is just flat out a millino times better than Rautherdir's
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Post Post #3243 (isolation #569) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:53 pm

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matt on scumflip you jailkeep cooperative sheep, luv replacement motion detects at discretion.
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Post Post #3244 (isolation #570) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:55 pm

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damn I really hope I'm right here because this felt good. that reread felt like mafia felt back when I was at my best. I was seeing things making connections none of this trying to make a reasoned case bullshit just feeling it y'know
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Post Post #3245 (isolation #571) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:56 pm

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Rauth, I really can't see the universe where you with an inno on me played this the way you did then lurksauced the entire day phase.
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Post Post #3252 (isolation #572) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:04 pm

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Whichever one of them is scum has played shitty and we can both agree on that, no?
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Post Post #3254 (isolation #573) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:05 pm

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In post 3250, Cooperative Sheep wrote:
In post 3241, RadiantCowbells wrote:If he's scum, we lynch Cooperative Sheep and continue from there
Wouldn't be Nancy or Frogger, that's about the only insight I have from the VTs for that connection.

I'd also offer as my counterpoint to your 3 investigative stance the thought that it's not three concurrent investigatives, one is weaksauce, and that town lacks protective ability on their investigatives unless Rauth is telling the truth.

BP plus Backup = soft Doc makes sense to me.
I'll accept the point that JKer plus BP does about the same with more negative utility.
I still don't think Rauth decided to fake Cop on Day 2, that's a limited return scum investment, especially going and confirming a BP town while doing so, which is even more annoying to scum considering the heat you had on you, and lack of awareness of any tracking/watching possibilities.

I welcome your "jail" ;)

Okay, let's think about a universe where Rautherdir is role cop. Does the entire situation make more sense?
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Post Post #3257 (isolation #574) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:07 pm

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My situation with you Coop is you tried to push a Rauth TR on me from super early on the game and it still doesn't make any sense to me at this point. You've been justifying all the scummy shit he's done as 'oh hes a newb'.

If, as you suspect, Rautherdir will flip town: I will almost certainly never touch you again.
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Post Post #3258 (isolation #575) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:07 pm

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In post 3255, nancy wrote:
In post 3248, mattblackguy wrote:Just going to say this now because I don't know if the day will end before I get a chance to post again. I'm jailing Sheep tonight, so if I die tonight then he's not scum.
No, the correct move is to jail RC. Gin targets in VTs for a townfirm if there is a NK.
what the fuck is this shit
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Post Post #3260 (isolation #576) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:09 pm

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HEY WE AREN'T GOING TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
I DID NOT GET MY SCUMPARTNER TO FAKECLAIM AN INNO ON ME THEN BUS THEM INSTEAD OF JUST LYNCHING THE JAILKEEPER THEN LYNCHING A VT OR LUV.
THIS DID NOT HAPPEN.
ANYONE WHO SUGGESTS THIS AS A POSSIBILITY IS GOING TO GET SLAPPED IN THE FUCKING FACE BECAUSE THAT'S JUST FUCKING
DUMB
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Post Post #3263 (isolation #577) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:10 pm

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In post 3262, nancy wrote:RC if that's not what happened then you'll be totally fine with being jailed tonight for you own safety. And if there's a NK you'll be conftown.
no fuck off it's a waste of a night action and I'm not going to tolerate it
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Post Post #3269 (isolation #578) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:14 pm

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In post 3268, nancy wrote:If Gin is targeting me then mbg absolutely needs to target RC because scum!RC kills me tonight. I'm not saying RC is scum, I'm just eliminating possibilities.
IN WHAT FUCKING UNIVERSE DOES SCUM RC NOT KILL THE FUCKING MOTION DETECTOR
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Post Post #3275 (isolation #579) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:16 pm

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omg nancy in what universe do you think the EX most cunning manipulator has such a paralyzing inability to close out games that I didn't just powerlynch MBG and lynch fro99er for it ?
IN A UNIVERSE WHERE I DON'T HAVE TO PLAY THIS DUMB GAME BECAUSE I ALREADY WON IT. I DON'T EVEN BUS ANYMORE CUZ I NEVER GET A SHRED OF TOWNCRED FOR IT
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Post Post #3280 (isolation #580) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:19 pm

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In post 3277, nancy wrote:See the fact is, the first thing I noticed when I read Day 1 after replacing into this game is that Aslan was on your case and no one else in the game was. So to answer your question about who kills Aslan N1, you do. Which is why I'm intent on covering all angles.

You didn't bus in this game RC. You weren't on the JJD wagon.
SO I DID THE WORST FUCKING POSSIBLE THING

I LAID THE SEEDS FOR A JJD WAGON AND MADE IT A POSSIBILITY BUT I DIDN'T GET ON THE WAGON SO THAT I'D ACTUALLY GET THE TOWNCRED FOR IT.

OK THANKS FOR LETTING ME KNOW.
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Post Post #3284 (isolation #581) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:20 pm

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In post 3279, nancy wrote:There is basically no chance of scum!Sheep according to VCA.
WTF IS THIS SHEEP NEVER ONCE VOTED EITHER RAUTHERDIR OR FUCKING JJD WHAT ARE YOU SAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYING
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Post Post #3286 (isolation #582) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:20 pm

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In post 3282, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
In post 3276, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:DID YOU ADVOCATE YOUR OWN LYNCH WHEN YOU WERE BEING RUN UP
STOP IGNORING ME IM NEEDY
NO BUT I DID TELL EVERYONE I WAS GOING TO STOP POSTING UNTIL EVERYONE LEFT ME ALONE UNTIL GRENDEL DRAGGED ME BACK IN

ALSO CAPS IS AWESOME AND MORE GAMES SHOULD BE DONE WITH EXCLUSIVELY CAPS
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Post Post #3294 (isolation #583) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:21 pm

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there won't be lylo there won't be paranoia about rc there is only godking rc and the godcarry
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Post Post #3297 (isolation #584) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:22 pm

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LET'S ALL TALK IN CAPS
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Post Post #3303 (isolation #585) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:24 pm

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In post 3301, nancy wrote:
In post 3284, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 3279, nancy wrote:There is basically no chance of scum!Sheep according to VCA.
WTF IS THIS SHEEP NEVER ONCE VOTED EITHER RAUTHERDIR OR FUCKING JJD WHAT ARE YOU SAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYING
THERE WAS A POINT WHERE JJD PULLS OFF AN EOD WAGON ONTO THE SAME SLOT SHEEP IS VOTING WHICH STRIKES ME AS VERY HIGHLY UNLIKELY GROUPSCUMPLAY

(are we still using caps I'm confused?)
HEY HEY GUESS WHAT VCA IS BAD.
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Post Post #3305 (isolation #586) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:25 pm

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UR WORSE
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Post Post #3307 (isolation #587) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:26 pm

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IF I EVER ROLL SCUM WITH YOU I AM GOING TO TELL THE ENTIRE GAME THAT I AM GOING TO BUS YOU D1

THEN I AM GOING TO BUS YOU D1

THEN I AM GOING TO STILL WIN THE GAME

BECAUSE THAT'S WHO I AM
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Post Post #3310 (isolation #588) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:27 pm

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NO ACTUALLY I HAVEN'T BUSSED IN YEARS BUT I WILL MAKE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR NANCY BECAUSE SHE'S WORTH IT (TM)
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Post Post #3319 (isolation #589) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:30 pm

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TAKE ME TO CHURCH I WORSHIP LIKE A DOG AT THE SHRINE OF DELIGHT

I TELL YOU MY SINS AND YOU CAN SHARPEN YOUR KNIFE
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Post Post #3325 (isolation #590) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:41 pm

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NOT IF I BUS U FIRST (HOW CAN I MAKE MY CAPS BIGGER????)
I ONLY EVER LET ONE PERSON BUS ME AND THAT WAS TITUS AND SHE GOT FORCE REPLACED AND WE LOST BECAUSE OF IT
BUSSING ME IS A PRIVILEDGE NOT A RIGHT AND YOU HAVE NOT EARNED IT YET.
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Post Post #3327 (isolation #591) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:44 pm

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Yes. at a point where supposedly I was innoed.
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Post Post #3335 (isolation #592) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:49 pm

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In post 3330, nancy wrote: L-3

HOW DO I EARN THE PRIVILEDGE?!?!?
HAVE AWESOME SCUM PLAY AS JUDGED BY ME
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Post Post #3337 (isolation #593) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:54 pm

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OBVIOUSLY DONT LINK ME ANY GAMES UNTIL THIS IS VOER BTU
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Post Post #3355 (isolation #594) » Thu Mar 02, 2017 3:29 am

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In post 3354, Cooperative Sheep wrote:Both Frogger and RC have bounced around a bit also - I'm pretty sure all three of them aren't scum, so...?
heh heh heh heh heh
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Post Post #3362 (isolation #595) » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:08 am

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This game was not won by strength of reads but by pro-town play. You can be good with that Keyser.
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Post Post #3363 (isolation #596) » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:09 am

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Let's get a hammer on Rauth. I'm really feeling it atm.
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Post Post #3412 (isolation #597) » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:21 am

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If he flips town jail at discretion.

I would not be surprised if this claim came from town tbh.
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Post Post #3415 (isolation #598) » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:21 am

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No, you're not if this flips town because even if he's scum all scum have to do is have someone else make the nightkill.
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Post Post #3416 (isolation #599) » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:22 am

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nancy if you keep advocating this you are automatically tomorrow's lynch no matter what else happens.
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