Mini 1875: Pine's Death Trap Post Game - Town win!

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ThinkBig replaces Akarin, effective immediately.

Thanks, TB!

Happy to replace in. I'll be reading tomorrow. Can someone give me a summary so far? Thanks!

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UNVOTE:

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Will be reading this when I get off of school.

@mod: does the scum team have day chat?

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Y'all should probably just lynch me btw cause I guarantee I will fuck up LyLo.

^^Town

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Sheep and MBG are scum

MBG claimed jailkeeper
RC claimed BP
Gerry was lynched as cop D1
Rauth is backup cop who has an innocent on RC

Jar Jar got lynched D2 as scum goon

I'm VT, Sheep is VT, Nancy is VT. Might be a couple other VTs i'm missing.

I strongly think Uzi is town.

Using this to form a town bloc and list off some of claims (these are for my notes)

Rautherdir - Universal backup
RadiantCowbells - Bulletproof. Confirmed innocent by cop
mattblackguy - Jailkeeper

Keyser Söze
Fro99er

nancy

Grendel
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Lil Uzi Vert
Cooperative Sheep

I am going through the vote count for a VCA. For now, I'm treating rauth and MBG as confirmed town. I have a fairly strong TR on KS and Fro99er. I'm 75% confident that nancy is town (see above). I'm now looking through the rest of the players.

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What? No, I'm a backup cop, not Universal Backup

Ah sorry. Thanks for the correction.

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Thank you. Will read through after lab.

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Uzi is still town

From VCA, I believe he could be town. He was the counter wagon to jar jar, who flipped scum. Scum may have tried to derail JarJar's lynch by moving it to LUV

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Like the only person who could really have been pushing a counterwagon is Cooperative Sheep. It stands to reason that at least one scum is bussing, possibly two.

True. Sheep/Jar were both on the Nancy wagon, which I think is/was extremely opportunistic.

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Thing is though this is a daytalk game. We know that at least 1 scum is probably bussing; it doesn't seem at all strange to me to suggest that if one scum was gonna bus they'd both want to hop on.

JarJarDrinks - Akarin (my slot), Grendel, Lil Uzi Vert, nancy,

Rautherdir

, Fro99er

Who do you think would most likely be the busser?

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I'm going to town hunt and try to make a PoE pool.

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I can get down with that but I'd prefer MBG to be honest.

so do I but everyone's afraid to lynch the jailkeeper

What's the case against mbg? Why would you prefer to lynch him over anyone else?

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The JK claim will be resolved tonight most likely. The JK can jail either rauth or RC (since they are both essentially confirmed town) and the mafia will be forced to either kill MBG or try and guess which one he isn't jailing.

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the reason there was no NK isn't because matt jailed rauth.

it's because matt jailed rauth to prevent rauth getting an investigation and shot the bulletproof instead, not realizing RC was ACTUALLY the bulletproof.

Did rauth claim to have gotten roleblocked?

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I claim that goon/goon/roleblocker vs bp/cop/backup cop is scum sided to the point of being unpassable. I would never pass it. Mykonian would not have.

I don't know Fire or Mastin's ideas of balance but what you're claiming is flat out impossible.

Just speculating, but what if it were 3 goons vs bp/cop/backup cop/JK? That would appear to make the game far too town sided.

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If there is then MBG can reenter consideration and that's why I support Cooperative Sheep's call for a massclaim. But as is the only PR that could be fakeclaiming is Rautherdir and that would require a 3 goon scumteam or goon/jacked mafia PR.

I believe Rauth's claim. I really don't think scum would fake claim that and out an innocent result. Though yet again, I did just complete a game where scum claimed vengeful, so...

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I will agree to a mass claim and begin by claiming VT.

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I'm a Town Motion Dectector. I targeted Jar N1 and I targeted Anakrin's slot N2.

Bull fucking shit

VOTE: LUV

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I'm a Town Motion Dectector. I targeted Jar N1 and I targeted Anakrin's slot N2.

Did you see anything N1 or N2?

Both didn't perform an action or have one performed on them. That's why I initially doubted my read on Jar going into D2.

Scum slip.

The Motion Detector learns if any actions were performed by or on a player, but not what they were, or who else was involved.

If you are a motion detector, you would know that a motion detector doesn't know what actions that player performed. The fact that you don't know this shows that your claim is bull shit.

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LUV, why did you decide to use your motion detector on my slot instead of the claimed back up cop?

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WHY WOULD HE EVER USE IT ON THE CLAIMED BACK UP COP W T F

VOTE: THINKBIG

Perhaps I'm not understanding the motion detector role correctly. Had he targeted the back up cop, wouldn't he have gotten a jailkeeper result if MBG is being honest about his claim and assuming that he visited rauth?

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Someone help me understand what a motion detector does and what results he would get. If a motion detector visits a someone and that person is visited by a JK, for example, wouldn't his results say that person X was visited by a Jk?

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NO

it would just say "an action was performed on or by your target"

not what that action was.

Got it. Sorry I misunderstood the wiki.

UNVOTE: LUV

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I've done a shit ton of legwork to show it.

I'm less positive on his partner. But I know MBG is scum.

Why are you confident he is scum and why are you shoving a claimed JK lynch down our throats? Wouldn't it be better for it to be resolved at night? If mbg is a JK, then he will get night killed.

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V/LA until Sunday night. Tomorrow is my 22nd birthday (yay me) and will be going away to celebrate.

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cassielle

thinkbig dumbtelled like crazy but not sure if scum.

My confusion there was mixing up motion detector with voyer. Not sure that is AI.

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Keyser that should be obvious.

We can't have those 5 town PRs unless site meta has changed to make town OP. It's unlikely Rauth is scum, and so it's either Uzi or MBG. By POE from Uzi's POV it's MBG.

I agree that it is impossible to have 5 PRs. If MBG flips town, we lynch LUV tomorrow. No questions asked. The question is who is the better lynch?

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On a serious note, I've been away in NYC for my bday and am extremely busy most weekends. Will be posting tomorrow night.

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ThinkBig, I want to believe you are Town so could you please link me to any/all Town games where you push a scumslip?

My wiki page has most of my town games and all my scum games on it. I need to update my wiki with a few more games once they're complete.

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Prodge. I seriously want a no lynch today, and I'm not sure anyone else is receptive to that.

I do not support a no lynch. The only time town should consider no lynching is when we are in MyLo without any clear town/scum reads. Let's say we no lynch and you are killed, what information do we learn? Nothing. We are a few days from MyLo/LyLo.

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Happy bday Pine!! See you all after school

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Yay! Welcome Gin

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Hey gin can you claim?

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Do you still have a vest or not?

I've been shot while having a BP before, you're told if your vest is gone or not

Eeeeew

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How much time do we have left in this day phase?

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I'd vote MBG before the deadline. @Mod can we get a VC? Please don't hammer yet, I want to get in a few more thoughts before the day ends.

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VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic

Can this die now, please?

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If Gin is scum, then Matt town. I've played with LUV enough times to know that he loves fake claiming PRs as scum.

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@Gin, who did you target last night and what were your results?
@Matt, who did you jail last night?

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I want Gin to answer first for obvious reasons.

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RC was obvtown even before the fake backup cop clear.

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Could be. Town seems pretty ridiculously jacked atm.

But LUV is confscum.

We lynch Gin today, no questions asked, MBG jails me tonight, you cop me tonight. Sound like a good plan moving forward?

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Lol. Nice way for scum to try and wiggle their way out of a guilty, now eat rope.

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is gin at l-1 yet?

No. You unvoted.

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RC, you are by far the MVP of this game and should be nominated for a scummy for this game.

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More Gin votes please.

P-edit: Exactly. There is literally no useful information that is learned by visiting RC.

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WHAT PINE HAS A NEW AVATAR WHAT IS THIS

It's sorcery. Pure sorcery. Pine is a witch that must be hanged and burned!

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Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know someone could claim cop D1 and not eat the bullet over a vanilla townie. Then when the real cop is actually lynched, claims BP and coasts along BECAUSE OF A FAKE TOWN CLEAR. Everyone ate that shit up and haven't payed a damned clue about it. Now, we have me, were she does her fake claims on who she thinks are scum, and pushes them through. She says she's never gotten them wrong but Spryo Mini she tried that shit on me and literally pushed my lynch even when she grew to think I was town. Matt, nor I died last night and that goes to show that neither of them wanted a power player to die because it incriminates the ones that are actually living. Now after claiming cop, then BP, then back up cop which she condemned with a passion the other day in the set up spec, RC goes ahead and uses it to push a lynch. It's bullshit.

^Flailing scum is flailing.

BTW that is literally classic RC play. I replaced her in Titus' game where she fake claimed PGO.

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Feel free to hammer.

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Deadass, RC "scum read my slot" but if she was a cop, she didn't cop my slot on the previous nights, if she was actually suspect and had that power she would have actually used it then and not now.

That is a good point. Ugh I'm starting to get paranoid of RC. Wouldn't it make sense for her to immediately CC the fake backup claim? I'm gonna sleep on this some

UNVOTE:

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@Mod vla until wednesday. I just got stung by a bark scorpion. FML

Ouch! Get better!

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VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic

L-2.

I'm alright with a hammer.

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I'll track Fro99er, you jailkeep Sheep. sounds good?

Sounds good to me.

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I'm ready.

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@Matt, who did you jail last night?
@RC, who did you track last night?

Most likely reason as to why there was no kill is because the jailkeeper jailed the last remaining scum.

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VOTE: Cooperative Sheep

Good game all.

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This sort of feels to me like it comes from a TB who knows that LUV is bullshitting about the claim.
TB, why were you so dead set that the motion detector was scum all of a sudden? The whole situation feels really weird.

I was confused as to what the motion detector did. I mixed up motion detector with voyer. His claimed results didn't match from what I thought his role did. I had the right conclusion but the wrong premise.

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The funny part is RC thinking this game might not be over

^Which is honestly making me paranoid about RC.

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The funny part is RC thinking this game might not be over

^Which is honestly making me paranoid about RC.

RIGHT

From RC's POV this should be over.

Otherwise MBG should be in RC's lynch pool

Honestly RC's push to get MBG to name a target does come across as her knowing that sheep is actually town here. Why else would she make MBG claim a target?

Crazy crack pot theory: Once Rauth flipped vanilla town instead of back up cop, RC was no longer a confirmed townie. She therefore hard bused Gin for town cred on day 4. Notice how she wanted to push MBG to a lynch, and then did a complete 180 the next day.

Also, I highly

highly

doubt that RC is actually a tracker.

That's why I'm worried about RC. I need to do some re-reading. Though Occam's razor suggests that it is most likely sheep.

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VOTE: Radiant Cowbells

Thanks for scum claiming.

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Lynch all liars.

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Actually RC, this is your original claim. Not BP. And guess what? Gerrygoat was the actual fucking cop!

VOTE: Gerryoat

I claim an investigative with 'cop' in the name. We are lynching Gerryoat today and anyone who defends him is getting lynched tomorrow.

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VOTE: TB

I hate playing scum. GG all.

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There was really no way we were going to win this game. Especially after LUV decided to fake claim Motion Detector.

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I'm going to nominate this game for the game of the year. Really loved the flavor.

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TB, why did Gin submit night kill over you?

He didn't. I did. That's how I knew RC was lying about being a tracker.

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I think I only one one scum game, and that's when I hydraed with eternalscum!Pine.

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Wait why didn't you kill MBG then?

You were pushing him hard so I thought he could be a mislynch

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I no killed in order to try and frame sheep, which is exactly what happened at first. I thought I'd be able to get at least one more mislynch in, even though the game was effectively over once Gin died.

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@RC, were you bulletproof or just a vanilla townie who hates being NK'd?

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Wait why didn't you kill MBG then?

You were pushing him hard so I thought he could be a mislynch

I'm talking about last night

Sheep would have been confirmed town. 3 confirmed townies would be a really awful spot for me.

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I was a mafia traitor. There's one more scum left. Good luck finding him.

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I was a mafia traitor. There's one more scum left. Good luck finding him.

SHHHHHH

Sorry buddy!

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VOTE: Fro99er

I'm super super super loved and unlynchable

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Yeah I'm just a VT shitting with you. MBG, jail sheep again tonight.

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Yeah I'm just a VT shitting with you. MBG, jail sheep again tonight.

Please answer honestly because I may need to tackle the game again.

I'm just shitting with you. Good game.

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I misread LUV

All my other reads were based off that.

I really felt good about that one read. I was wrong

But Nancy's sitting here criticizing me over my JJD push

@Matt

I've literally never seen JJD play like that as town. Over many town games

That was easily scum for me.

JJD is a pretty easy read. I've seen his play and he is not that good at scum. I think I'm even worse at scum than he is.

Any suggestions on how to improve scum play/play overall?

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You made it really fucking obvious that you knew that the Motion Detector claim was fake. That's what clued me in to you being scum. I submitted a 'night action' to track you fwiw because I was p sure u scum.

Yeah, though it was a god awful claim. In my experience with LUV, he luvs (pun intended) to fake claim a PR as scum.

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Ugh. I really need to break my losing streak.

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@RC, we should hydrae sometime.

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I honestly haven't even read most of the game. I will probably take some time to do that eventually.

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RC's play here, and elsewhere, show why lynching all liars is not always the best move to make. There are two types of lies: ones that help town and then the ones that hurt town. The liars that hurt town should be lynched. The liars that help town are most likely town themselves.

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I think RC has told more lies this post game than the 3 members of the scum team did this entire game.

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I don't 100% trust you lol TB.

Good. You shouldn't.

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RC is the type of player who would say "2+2=5" and get people to actually believe her and lynch those who disagree.

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Seriously would you all let me post?

I'll be your big brother

I OBJECT!

BTW I was the culprit for not doing a short night last night.

I didn't even know Gin got lynched. I legit got stung by the most venomous scorpion in the US.

Ouch. I really hope you are feeeling better!

RC is the type of player who would say "2+2=5" and get people to actually believe her and lynch those who disagree.

RC is a him.

Duh!!! I thought RC was a she.

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We should call our hydra "Radiant Thinker" or "Radiant Philosopher."

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@nancy, are you actually an alt or is that your main?

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Good game all.