Mini 527 - Doom in Valencia - Game Over!

[Guardian]

Hi. Jenter asked me very nicely to replace in; I am in for RideTheBomb.

I want to say upfront that I agree with MeMe in that, if Jenter doesn't start taking moding this game MUCH more seriously, it should be abandoned.

He assured me I am the first step in that direction, though, so I agreed to replace in.


I skimmed the game, and, best I can tell, SirWario is scum.

vote: SirWario

Nothing terribly innovative from me here; he isn't being particularly helpful while looking like he is trying to be.

After him, I'd say soupfly and sikario8 catch my eye, of the actives. Scum could very well be among the inactive players, though.



I can't say much for RTB's play. Chalk it up to inexperience.

[Guardian]

Still here, still think Sir Wario's scum.

[Guardian]

Nothing's changed since my first post of this game.

Sikario8, do you think I am suspicious, or did you want to direct Pra's attention to me?

[Guardian]

pressurevote Guardian why is Sir Wario scum?

he isn't being particularly helpful while looking like he is trying to be

That said, while I think it's pretty clear why Guardian is voting Sir Wario, I also think that his explanation is pretty lacking. Do you have any posts in particular that made you think Sir Wario is actively lurking?

Where did I say he was actively lurking? And no, it is a general impression from the whole game that he is trying to appear helpful, while not being so. I can't point to one specific post for that.

Furthermore, you yourself seem to be actively lurking, especially with this post:

Still here, still think Sir Wario's scum.

How so? I'm waiting for the lurkers to be replaced.

Even if your suspicions on Sir Wario hadn't changed, you could still have made some useful comment on the posts of other players.

Which I did, in my opening post. And then said that the scum could very well be among the lurkers. It isn't useful to me to analyze all the players when a couple of scum could easily not have posted in the game.

Saying "I'm here and my suspicions haven't changed" isn't being very helpfull

No? I'd have thought it would cause others to look at Sir Wario.

voting for Sir Wario because "he isn't being particularly helpful" is pretty hypocritical.

I'm not voting for him because he isn't being helpful -- I'm voting for him because he isn't being helpful while trying to appear as such.

Scum try and make paragraph posts where they discuss facts, and name some names, and not really leave anything meaningful. I made one post with my very limited thoughts on the game, and that's it. I am not doing what I accuse Sir Wario of, which is trying to appear helpful while not being helpful. I'm actually trying to be helpful.

[Guardian]

Nothing's changed since my first post of this game.

Sikario8, do you think I am suspicious, or did you want to direct Pra's attention to me?

Exactly, as I may reiterate Archaist's comments, what exactly hasn't changed?

My suspicion of Sir Wario.

[Guardian]

Sikario8, do you think I am suspicious, or did you want to direct Pra's attention to me?

[Guardian]

I don't really understand why Guardian is so sure SirWario is scum.

Hmm?
best I can tell =/= sure.


btw, leaving on vacation for a week tomorrow, hold down the fort mates.

[Guardian]

Hi all, I'm back for a few days until I have vacation again ~(Jan 1 - Jan 7).

I don't really understand why Guardian is so sure SirWario is scum.

Hmm?
best I can tell =/= sure.

Bah, semantics. What I meant is that you're pretty focused on SW and seem pretty confident in his scumminess.

Semantics are important in mafia. I am focused on him, but pretty confident of his scumminess? Not really.

Some thoughts on other players would be mucho appreciated, btw.

It seems you are just parroting others here, which is annoying. I've responded to this a few times.

fos: Sikario8

. He hasn't responded to my question of him, which I've repeated numerous times, and it has been a week.

He, and MeMe, need prods, probably others as well. I'm going to PM the mod and request them.

I feel that there hasn't been much quality discussion since I replaced in, just some minor pokes back and forth. I definitely feel that almost no one else has deeply looked at Sir Wario, with most taking superficial anti/pro stands on my points, and with many defending him by blunting attention to me.

Lastly, I want to note that I think gorckat may be on to something, I think there is possibly a Gorgon-Sikario8 connection.

[Guardian]

On vacation starting tomorrow. Mod, please prod everyone. This game has slowed to a crawl. Happy holidays everyone!

[Guardian]

Mod, please prod everyone.

prodded sikario.

Archaist, notably, also needs proding. Is Sikario8 to be replaced? At this point, displeased with the lack of pressure on Sir Wario, I would move my vote to Sikario8... but he's not even here, and it seems many of the players are not here.

Mafia needs players to be played.

[Guardian]

Vote Count

soupfly

(2) -

Archaist, SirWario

Guardian

(1) -

Pra a Funkee Home Sapien

neko2086

(1) -

soupfly

Gorgon

(1) -

gorckat

Sikario8

(1) -

neko2086

SirWario

(1) -

Guardian

Pra a Funkee Homo Sapien

(1) -

MeMe

Gorckat

(1) -

Tarhalindur

not voting

(3) -

Arakorn, Gorgon, Sikario8

This is assuming MeMe's was correct. Just for my benefit/boredom.

[Guardian]

I'm terribly sorry Jenter -- but I would like you to look for a replacement for me, as soon as you can. I am in this and one other game, and that other game is winding down in the next month, at the most. I want to phase out mafia scum for a bit.

Thanks, and good luck all. I'll be here as possible, but my heart isn't in these games anymore.

[Guardian]

Dead Rikimaru, aside from proposing this game, you've contributed nothing since replacing in besides saying that you are confused. It would benefit the town for us to hear

something

from you.

Whether or not everyone manages to play, there is no reason for each individual

not

to play the game, and I find it suspicious that people are saying we shouldn't bother.

My top 3? SirWario, reasons stated. Sikario8/Dead Rikimaru, reasons stated/implied. Third? Soupfly I guess. That is intuition/from what I remember, though. I have this lingering suspicion of MeMe... she's scarry >:-).

Again, I think it would be good for the town to hear something substantive from Dead Rikumaru. Your top 3 list and as much reasons as you have for them would be great.

[Guardian]

ps: Jenter, if you haven't found a replacement... you can at least suspend your search. I'm thinking my disillusionment might be specific to the games I was in that are ending. At the least, I'll play through the game day, and night. At that point, this will be the only thread I'm involved with.

If at that point I still feel like I need to take a break from mafiascum in totality, I'll let you know.

[Guardian]

and I find it suspicious that people are saying we shouldn't bother.

As it was proposed, I believe we do not have time to 1) get a majority to agree to play, 2) get everyone to post their list and name the next person to do so and 3) marshal some kind of action based on those posts.

I also believe I've already put my top three out there- Sikario (now DR), Gorgon and SirWario.

Do you or do you not think it is a good idea for as many people as possible to list their top three suspects and give reasons for their suspicions?

To put it another way -- do you oppose us at least trying to start this "game" of listing our suspects?

[Guardian]

I agree with MeMe somewhat on that. Especially with Dead Rikimaru's suggestion of it and then hesitancy to do so himself, I am suspicious.

We should hear from DR. Also from Sir Wario. And Arakorn.

[Guardian]

People get replaced when they leave the site or are in bad spots.

Sir Wario is hard to determine, since he is posting only in one other game, and that was about a week ago.

Personally, Sir Wario is still as an attractive candidate as ever, and moving a vote

because

he is getting replaced is in my opinion, at best, misguided.

[Guardian]

I will wagon whomever needs to be wagonned to lynch. At this point, I just want this fucking game to go to night so that something will happen.

Hear hear.

This sounds remarkably like scum talk.

"Let's just lynch anyone and hope day ends."

Scum can lynch whomever they want in this situation, and point back to their desire for the day just to be over. Granted, I've been known, even recently, to really want to end the day and do this myself as town, but seriously, we should try and lynch someone we feel good about lynching, not just anyone.

I highly support/encourage a SirW/Sikario8 lynch, and we should be highly suspicious of those not taking a stand.

[Guardian]

To me, it seems that Arakorn has legitimate IRL activity problems. I don't understand the two votes.

Could y'all explain the reasoning?

I'd like an Arakorn alternative, for the moment, and still no one has stuck with Sir Wario, so:

unvote vote: Dead Rikumaru

[Guardian]

"Let's just lynch anyone and hope day ends" is not what the dude said and is not what I agreed with.

MeMe, you quoted his

whole post

and said "hear hear" implying agreement with his post:

I will wagon whomever needs to be wagonned to lynch.

At this point, I just want this fucking game to go to night so that something will happen

.

Hear hear.

(emphasis mine)

The latter sentiment, which you also approved of, is what I find troubling -- "wanting the game to go to night" is an excuse to lynch anyone convenient. Do you

not

agree with his whole post?

The day will end, with or without a lynch, and it's better for it to be WITH a lynch. Do you disagree?

Nope, that's why I voted for Dead Rikumaru.

I'll switch my vote at deadline if that's what

necessary

to ensure a lynch. That's not my

preference

, but I'll do it if that's what has to be done to make sure we get some information.

That's all well and good -- again, the problem I had is that you agreed with the sentiment that you couldn't wait for the game to go to night, and presumably were moving forward with that as a basis for your actions.

[Guardian]

mod:

I'll also send you a PM, re: this -- if you are going to keep the deadline for in a couple of days, you need to make sure as many people as possible are active. it's not fair to the game otherwise.

[Guardian]

Alright, I get what you're on about now.

First: I didn't quote his whole post

Yeah, sorry my mistake.

but I do agree with the parts I did quote, though I seem to interpret them differently than you do.

You seem to be reading the whole thing as an action plan & I'm reading it as an assurance & a statement of frustration. So, basically, I'm saying "me too" to wagoning to ensure a lynch AND being tired of this endless nothing-happening day.

To be clear: I was not saying that I was interested in a pre-deadline lynch (something I think would be pretty impossible anyway -- seven needed votes??).

That's reasonable .

As for why I'm voting Arakorn? Because, at the time I voted him -- soupfly was the leading votee & I do

not

like the idea of a soupfly lynch.

That is a good reason. I don't claim to have read particularly carefully -- I assume you said that at the time?

gorckat suggested Arakorn as a possibility and, since I find him to be completely useless, I thought "alrighty then." He might claim to have lots of school work, but he

also

claims to have read the thread and to have (at least at the point I voted him) no leading suspects.

That also makes sense. Why not say "alrighty then" when, for example, I suggested Sir Wario or Sikario8, or when Tarhalindur suggested gorckat?

And, for the record, I do NOT want Jenter to extend the deadline. The only thing that seems to have sparked

any

activity in this game is the threat of pending deadline

And here I thought it was me replacing in.

>_>
<_<

. But I'm fine with deadline, I hate games that go a long page length, because no one takes the time to go back and read them. Game theory wise, I'd rather have a day 1 lynch after 5 pages than after 50.

-- take that away, and I think we'll go right back down to "almost dead" status.

Again, not sure that's true, but I also support the deadline staying in place.

Loaded language much, neko?

1) "simply because you find him useless" -- indicates both that it's only my opinion, rather than fact, that he's been unhelpful AND that useless isn't that big of a deal
2) "really think" -- indicates that I might have, at this point, acted contrary to my actual thoughts
3) "not care whether or not" -- well, I don't even need to explain that to anyone

Let me ask

you

: do you really think that being present but unwilling to pick a leading suspect when 1) everyone's been asked to do so and 2) it's been pointed out we're under deadline is

townish

behavior? Or could it be scum waiting to be "convinced" by other players so that he need not make a decision for which he must take responsibility? (

Bear in mind that Arakorn has since voted gorckat -- but only after Guardian called his post "remarkably like scum talk."

)

Wow, when you put it that way, Arakorn lynch seems rather appealing. Why not bring out more of those ideas earlier?

Not sure a Arakorn lynch is more appealing that a DR lynch, but I understand where MeMe-town might be coming from re: Arakorn.

Or -- in words you might more readily recognize: do you really think that players have no responsibility to be helpful? I mean, do you really think that Arakorn is town? Do you not care if he's scum?

rofl .

[Guardian]

Going back to school tomorrow, limited access.

[Guardian]

Arakorn said he'd read the game next week after IRL schoolwork was over...

I sense a possible scum-shift from Sikario8 to Arakorn :\. Gorckat switched over to Sikario8 quickly when I pointed out the votes on Arakorn were weak, neko is pondering switching to Arakorn, Gorgon adds vote on for pretty shaky reasoning...

I'm sure that not all of those are winning reads, but it is possible some of them are. Then again, Arakorn could be scum.

I'm happy with my vote on DR at deadline though and still encourage others to vote him -- you all are voting Arakorn saying he has contributed nothing -- what about Dead Rikumaru???

[Guardian]

Bah!!! Go town!

[Guardian]

DR, you were lynched for sikario8's play, and your limited access. I'm not sure I see what 'dumb reason' you are talking about.

Neko, from an outside view, Arakorn looked really honest over the last couple of days. Javert tends to always try hard, I'm not sure why that would be an indication of his town-ness; I thought you were the last scum though. Hindsight is 20-20, I can't fault you, nice try.

Javert, congratulations; I hate you. People like you are why I have something like a 20% win percentage. lol, again nice job after scum lynches day 1 and day 2.

Jenter, if you put more effort in, you'd be a better mod. If you don't have time or are unwilling to do that, maybe staying clear of moding would be best . One thing to be careful of if you mod again: don't make alignments obvious with flavor. I was even more sure I was going to be NK'd Night 1 with how much you embellished my role in lynching DR.

Good game all.