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[TwoFace]

But you're obviously scum. You've done literally nothing protown the entire game.

[TwoFace]

You've been caught lying 3 times and then get mad cause you think fitz lied.

You lose the right to be mad at lying when you lie yourself.

[TwoFace]

Gamma is waiting cause he's th SK and he needs to help lynch scum to have a chance at winning.

[TwoFace]

Yes. Vote fitz. You all thought I was maf with him yesterday. So why are people hesitant to vote him now? I wonder

For me it's how obvious you/cloud look as partners. Makes more sense than you/fitz.

I keep hoping I'm wrong about you, I keep waiting for something to make me want to reconsider you as scum. Yet I'm here waiting and see nothing.

Too much deflection onto fitz. If he's scum, make a case for him. Your read changed cause his changed again. You as no issue the first time (despite it being the very thing you said you find scummy) but now he does it again and it's all a sudden an issue. That means early on you were trying to pocket fitz and now you can't.

[TwoFace]

Gamma pretty much has revealed he's the SK

[TwoFace]

None. Just saying. I'm here bored out of my mine waiting for him to decide who he wants to vote

[TwoFace]

why is it so difficult to lynch Gerry?

I probably won't vote for fitz, and it's not cause I don't sr him, cause I still do.

I don't want the risk being wrong and losing to scum Gerry.

If I lose cause I was wrong about Gerry being scum, I can actually live with that cause of how he played.

If I lynch a townie and lost to scum Gerry, I don't think I could handle that, especially after all the shit he's pulled.

[TwoFace]

You said you were on vacation til the 8th. It's the 9th and your v/la is gone.

[TwoFace]

Cloud. refusal to vote Gerry is a scum claim

[TwoFace]

I'm reading this but I'm confused already. How can he have dropped his scum read on cloud slot when he never had a scum read on that slot?

[TwoFace]

This game needs to be over. Wtf.

I'll vote whoever gamma decides cause at this point I don't care anymore. Town can win when there are 4 scum remaining

[TwoFace]

Town can't win*

[TwoFace]

lol @ fitz trying to reason with the SK

[TwoFace]

it's lol because he has no motivation to do anything. he knows he is going to lose, his vig claim backfired. he is probably content letting the day end in a NL.

my read on LUV is he is 5th in line of people who should be lynched. since we don't even have that many lynches, he is in my probably town pile, although he isn't really doing much but nobody else is either.

[TwoFace]

I'm reading this but I'm confused already. How can he have dropped his scum read on cloud slot when he never had a scum read on that slot?

Yes he did. Greyice second to last post

you made that comment after you posted fitz quotes 797 and 1018.

post 797 fitz does not say he has a scum read on the cloud slot, that is what I was referring to.

his read on the cloud slot was

"Need to move off idk were:
Gear and JJD"

people he was ok voting was grey (not greyice), me, and dave

[TwoFace]

although I have no idea what the fuck that even means.

Fitz, what does "need to move off idk were" mean exactly?

I assume null but never seen such weird phrasing before. Like why do you need to move them off and move them off what?

[TwoFace]

I know what idk means...

[TwoFace]

yes, since you didn't use the word null. if you retype that sentence and include the word null it makes much more sense.

[TwoFace]

who are you talking to?

[TwoFace]

That is exactly is what gerry is doing. Half the time he ignores previous posts made to him and and kind of just half asses things and blames being on his mobile which i'm sorry is a shitty excuse.

If gerry is town and fitz is scum, it is partly gerry's fault why I am not wanting to lynch fitz right now. cloud's refusal to vote gerry also is a factor, but definitely more gerry's fault.

I see nothing from gerry that makes me think he is town.

[TwoFace]

from what I remember i don't ever recall seeing a good explanation of reads from you this game, and certainly not a good explanation as to why you were pushing dave.

not being scum read doesn't mean you can't be scum. Scum win by not being scum read.

[TwoFace]

Well not only is that a shitty reason. It's technically against the rules.

[TwoFace]

Gamma has played enough with me that he should see this is how I always act and should know I'm town.

It's easy to simulate your town game as scum

[TwoFace]

well that's how I see it. how I see things is never how others see it so nothing can be done about it but he replaced in to this game town reading you. He won't vote you now despite you being the most obvious scum

he is either your buddy, or he is using your friendship as a basis to not vote you.

his slot has been trash
his content since replacing in has been trash

yet ya'll don't seem to scum read each other.

it's very weird to me.

As much as i would love a fitz lynch, compared to both of you he doesn't look so bad.

[TwoFace]

Oh ffs. We're going to end in a nl

[TwoFace]

Scum JK is a thing. Had one recently

[TwoFace]

I'm only voting Gerry

Sunday I'm gone til pas deadline so anyone else besides Gerry isn't going to be with my vote.

[TwoFace]

He wasn't voting you before he voted Gerry. Why is him going back fast funny or even note worthy?

Now I wonder if I should just say fuck my tunnel and vote you also

[TwoFace]

@ gamma - not sure what you are doing with that cursory vote, but please do me a favor and at least end this day phase before I go on vacation. Not being able to post or even check in on what's going on is going to kill me.

[TwoFace]

Sorry typo. He was voting you before Gerry.

[TwoFace]

mod I'll be V and very LA starting the 15th until the 21st

[TwoFace]

So let's lynch Gerry already

[TwoFace]

As much as I hate to say it, cause I'd love to lynch fitz, hands down to and cloud are more likely to flip scum.

Aside from that, you have done nothing after day 2 that resembles town play and your day 1 play was just meh.

I gave good reasons as to why I thought you could be scum and your response was 1. My reasons were bad (without explaining why) 2. Said that you didn't lynch a townie day 1 (as if that actually means anything to anyone)

If you're town you have been completely useless and hella scummy.

Cloud and all predecessors have done literally nothing all game.

so self vote or vote cloud or somehow convince gamma and uzi that fitz is the best lynch today.

[TwoFace]

You and cloud*

@cloud. I need to see significant content and analysis from you by tomorrow morning please.

[TwoFace]

@uzi when you get back, I'd like to hear more from you also.

Tomorrow I think I'm going to look over ISOs. Especially UZIs and gear's early stuff. I kind of ignored uzi cause he was least scummy but I don't really know much about his reads or how he developed them. Want to see if that grey vote could have been a bus (didn't seem like it but still want to check again)

@Gamma - Can I get your thoughts on the game. Anything at all at this point.

@gerry - why is cloud not a scum read.

[TwoFace]

Oh shit. He just promised. Why didn't you do that to begin with.

UNVOTE:



VOTE: Gerry

[TwoFace]

I'm here TF, still waiting for Gerry to be lynched

Anything else to add?

[TwoFace]

Kinda thinking fitz and gerry is scum
I will place a final vote tonight because

V/LA until tuesday

so I have to choose something
UNVOTE:

if you have any questions just ask. i'm off vacation now so i'll be checking this thread all night. i can explain anything.

Who's your scum buddy?

[TwoFace]

zzzzzzzz

LUV and TwoFace...are either of you scum?

I'm not. Are you?

[TwoFace]

Why do you keep directing that to cloud?

[TwoFace]

But he's probably scum with Gerry so he's fine with a NL

[TwoFace]

And he's posted on site yesterday but not here. Clearly he doesn't care what happens.

[TwoFace]

So gamma decided since he can't win he'll let scum win.

[TwoFace]

Unofficial VC

havingfitz (3) [L-1]: CloudKicker, gerryoat, Gamma
gerryoat (3) [L-1]: Lil Uzi Vert, TwoFace, HavingFitz

Not Voting: Nobody


With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!

The current deadline is 11:00AM EST Tuesday, January 17, 2016, or (expired on 2017-01-17 11:00:00)

[TwoFace]

Yep.

Good game.

Yeah just dawned on me that it really is GG unless someone changes their mind. Town can only win with a correct scum win. That requires a bus which isn't going to happen or gamma changing to Gerry.

[TwoFace]

Gdi Gerry your ass better be scum. If I lose cause you played like shit.

I have are a very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. you flip scum, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.

[TwoFace]

1 scum in tf/luv since fitz is conf by the lack of votes because gamma cant be mafia, this confirm fitz as scum

it's obvious scum is you/Gerry.

[TwoFace]

Only place I'll flip is to you. Neither you or Gerry have done anything that resembles townie play

[TwoFace]

Okay dont blame me post game

If somehow you are town I most certainly will. You haven't done a single useful thing since replacing in. Not a single thing that makes me think "ok he could be town"

P.edit why?

Make a fucking case. Do something. Your predecessors have been lazy fucks and so have you. Why should I trust the opinion of a person who doesn't even care about trying to solve the game? That's what townies do. You aren't doing it.

[TwoFace]

i might just vote and read at night btw

This definition can't be coming from a townie mindset. If you flip town, I never want to play with a person who thinks this is acceptable behavior

[TwoFace]

nah your play this game is very noticeably different. but I don't let meta influence me. aside from any other game, your play looks like scum.

so I am here comparing 2 people who I think could be scum

You day 1 didn't vote scum despite wanting to and when asked about why you didn't you lied about it. Day 2 you quick hammered scum which is almost always bad because it hinders discussion and when asked why you lied about that also, You also made a statement that if somebody had good reason for scum reading you, that you would be ok with that. Fitz originally had no good reason for scum reading you, yet you were ok with that. I had what i feel were decent reasons for scum reading you, and you get all OMGUSY and call me scum which means your original statment was a lie.

so that's not 1, not 2, but 3 lies you told.

so save your attempts to reason me. I'd much rather lose to a NL because SK decided to give the game to scum then lynch somebody who by POE can't be scum and let my biggest scum read win.

you're going to win either way, I am going to at least lose on my own terms. with my vote parked firmly on my biggest scum read.

If I am wrong about you and you are town, you REALLY need to stop fucking lying and doing things that hurt town.

[TwoFace]

UNVOTE:

ugh granted he didn't have many posts but I don't like the way vij went after jjd when jjd was pushing grey. factor that in with fitz's BS post about me.

and apparently I thought grey/uzi made sense as a scum team during day 1.

uzi's "can't believe anyone bought the claim" post sucked


so Now I have to decide between 2 useless fucks or 1 useless fuck the past 2 days and the person who went from being adamant I was scum to now basically voting the person I am pushing.


how the fuck can I make this decision?

daykill myself

god I wish I could.

ok let me do some ISO'ing of uzi

[TwoFace]

I think I can rule out that cloud/fitz & uzi/gerry scum teams

This means scum team is

cloud/gerry
gerry/fitz
uzi/fitz

with 1 or 3 more likely at this point.

The slot before fitz was bad, fitz was bad
uzi voted fitz previous day only when 2 townies voted him and his vote gave me bad vibes.

this is where I am stuck. I am finding myself sinking to gerry's level. I am ignoring legitimate scummy things because gerry has done way worse shit.


Like i said earlier, i am perfectly fine being wrong about gerry being scum, but what i can't do is vote with gerry to lynch somebody and turn out gerry was scum all along.

i am sure the dead thread is probably yelling at me if gerry is town, I just can't ignore obvious scummy behavior.

Also like I said earlier, I feel like I am the only townie left in this game.

Uzi has dialed out
fitz has seemed to do a 180 on me
gerry is scummy gerry
cloud is useless cloud
Gamma is obvi SK

what the fuck do I do?

p.edit - see i don't even want to read any of that, i certainly am not reading it now.

can't remember if I did already but

UNVOTE:

[TwoFace]

I don't want to read that shit.

Who were gamma's kills?

[TwoFace]

Regardless what happens. I hate you and if you are scum I'm mad at everyone who didn't listen and lynch you like I said.

Not sure what I'm going to do yet.

[TwoFace]

You hate me ? or gerry

Gerry but you're no ray of sunshine yourself. I hate laziness and that's your entire iso. Your predecessors also.

[TwoFace]

fitz is mefia, im not moving my vote

Why?

Make a case or stfu about you don't think you deserve that to be said about you.

[TwoFace]

I'm not talking with you anymore. Regardless of alignment I'm done with you forever

[TwoFace]

Dude you told me to drink bleach. That's not part of the game.

I read you're post. I can't tell if you're being genuine or BSing though.

I'll decide who I vote based on my own re-reads. If I feel like the day is going to end in a NL I'll hammer fitz cause a NL is a town loss anyway.

If you can just respect my wishes and don't talk to me anymore that's great. Once this game is over I'll add you to my foe list and I'll never see another post from you again.

[TwoFace]

You and cloud*

@cloud. I need to see significant content and analysis from you by tomorrow morning please.

It's way past morning. Still haven't seen much. If you're town game is going to end when I vote you and whoever is scum and gamma vote you.

Before I go to bed I need a case on fitz. Something more than the drivel you've given earlier which wasn't anything

[TwoFace]

I feel so bad for the dead people. I'm sure they all hate me and tbh I don't blame them.

Gerry tr fitz and did a 180 on him when he did a 180 on Gerry - ugh
Cloud used poe and he thought fitz was buddying. Doesn't consider the opposite is true ant has been tr Gerry since replacing in due to oai. - ugh
Gamma - no idea why he thinks fitz is scum.

Fitz - was sr me and tr Gerry and now it's flipped and idk why - ugh
Uzi - need to read why he thinks Gerry is scum. Also want to see why he has any of his reads. - ugh


Paranoia and gut makes me think it's fitz scum. Gameplay makes me think Gerry.

Is anyone a telepath? Beam me th solutions please lol

[TwoFace]

Well I'm town 2F. I can't fight paranoia and gut. If there is something more tangible that you have issues with I can try to address those. But I hope gameplay guides your choices.

And as for who I have or haven't suspected and any changes I've made in reads...I think I have suspected everyone still alive at some point and had votes on everyone (except Gamma ironically iirc). Reason being? I'm town and do not know wtf scum is. Reads have changed. Shit has happened. Where I stand now is a gerry Cloud scumteam based on the fact I'm still alive and that neither of them have done anything pro-town that I can recall (gerry today....Cloud's slot ever).



Also,

Seriously Gamma

...vote gerry.

Cloud could have hammered you yesterday but didn't. Whys he a scum read? A mislynch yesterday helps scum get closer to a win not hurt it.

[TwoFace]

This game is giving me an ulcer and it shouldn't. It's a fucking game.

[TwoFace]

Cloud's not getting any traction.
I don't like the gerry/Cloud buddy vibe.
Perusing some of gerry's scum games I see some similarities to this game.
Progressing this game.
= VOTE: gerry

If someone comes in and hammers and gerry is scum....I hope scum are smart enough to NK Gamma. If he's bulletproof town is already screwed.

If gerry is town....c'est la vie.

This post.

Can you go into detail about the similarities please.

Also I don't like how you finish the post. If you're town I don't think you would say that.

[TwoFace]

Links to the games and posts that are similar

[TwoFace]

VOTE: cloud

[TwoFace]

I'm leaving for Disney tomorrow. I'm not leaving with the possibility of a NL. I'll hammer you if I have to since the way I see it town can't win

[TwoFace]

It's impossible to believe

[TwoFace]

I've asked cloud for info twice and twice he's not provided it. That's not town behavior.

[TwoFace]

Y'all EM players need to go back or start taking games on this site seriously. Mafia is srs business. ಠ_ಠ

[TwoFace]

@uzi - youre back from v/la and posted on site today

I'd like your thoughts on the game right now.

[TwoFace]

Also I'm thinking about hammering fitz and probably would have if the mod would have been online earlier. What are you're thoughts about that?

Why do you think fitz is town.

[TwoFace]

That last post was @uzi

[TwoFace]

UNVOTE:

[TwoFace]

I will say looking at the game where cloud was scum and fitz wasn't. I'm looking at completely opposite people this game.

P.edit why?

Make a case please.

[TwoFace]

Link to those reasons please. I don't remember them.

[TwoFace]

Why is your play different this game from when cloud was scum and you got mislynched? You put in much more effort then you are here.

[TwoFace]

It's sort of the same situation. If you get lynched and you are town, game is over. The hardest you pushed for anyone this game was for me and now you've dropped that and want me to take your side.

What happened to all those things I did that made you think I was scum? Why am I not scum to you anymore? Why are you so sure it's Gerry?

[TwoFace]

I'll be online tomorrow morning. If gamma isn't back I'll hammer

[TwoFace]

Right. I'm east coast so I'll be awake before deadline

[TwoFace]

Doesn't matter if you are or not. If gamma doesn't change his vote a NL will happen.

[TwoFace]

Interesting he changed his vote.
VOTE: Gerry

[TwoFace]

If you're trolling I'll hate you more than I already do

[TwoFace]

Thanks. Btw. Once I see a flip, I'm logging out

[TwoFace]

Yay. GG

[TwoFace]

HOLY CRAP HE WASNT SK

Kind of shocked myself.

[TwoFace]

You could probably run this a dozen times and the outcome still depends on how well each side does. The fact town lost all PRs and vig decided to play like a SK helped.

[TwoFace]

I wasn't going to say that's been done then I realized who was posting