Mini Normal 1857 (Game Over - Mafia Wins!)

mhsmith0 · Post Post #3145 (isolation #0) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:25 pm

wrt VCA...

In post 266, mhsmith0 wrote:Basic VCA

gerryoat
(5): TTTT, ssbm_Kyouko, shadonra, Sesq, shannon -- LYNCH!
ssbm_Kyouko (3): Drone, Titus, gerryoat -- L-2!
Drone (1):
Raskolnikov

For ANYONE townreading kyouko at all, that guy sitting out the day's lynch when it's town v town? That's scum with substantial probability.

In post 268, mhsmith0 wrote:More basic VCA

rb
(7):
Transcend, drealmerz7,
ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat, ironstove,
TTTT
-- LYNCH!

day 1 scum lynch, days 2-4 town lynch = rb was bussed, probably by both buddies (if he hadn't been bussed, then why did town suddenly become so ineffective after a day 1 scum lynch?)

and honestly, that's a reasonable conclusion to draw BEFORE the failed day 4 lynch. especially given a goon flip and rb having held strong as the day 1 lynch leader even given (IIRC) titus's attempts to save him.

Good VCA could have been a useful tool in solving the game. Crappy VCA probably wouldn't have helped at all.

mhsmith0 · Post Post #3160 (isolation #1) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:24 pm

In post 3153, Raskolnikov wrote:If every 2p-neighbourhood really is town/town then that shit's broken, you can just assume 2 town and easily win any of those games.

Need some games with 1-town 1-scum hoods and get that sorted out

Those exist. Scum CRUSH those.

mhsmith0 · Post Post #3162 (isolation #2) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:28 pm

In post 3158, mastin2 wrote:Now granted, determining that it was a double-bus is harder than determining scum bussed. But this was visible as early as D2. Every town flip only strengthened this. It was stronger on D3. It was stronger on D4. Every day, you had more reason than the last to suspect scum were on the wagon, because that's what real VCA does. It doesn't arbitrarily make a blind assumption, of lynching scum = town and lynching town = scum. It looks at the circumstances behind it, to determine positioning.

^anyine who interprets vca as "lynching scum = town and lynching town = scum" is simply bad at vca. In related news, many people are bad at vca

mhsmith0 · Post Post #3166 (isolation #3) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:37 pm

In post 44, mhsmith0 wrote:One small note on something I think you should change to be clearer

On UB role PM, please change
You will inherit the role of the first town PR that dies, for one time use only.

to
You will inherit the role of the first town PR that dies. However, your inherited ability will be converted to a 1-shot power.

(and then if the UB inherits JOAT, sent a role PM clarifying that the UB can only choose ONE of the JOAT powers, not that he can use each JOAT power once). Also in that case clarify which powers were already used and can't be used again (unless you want to allow him full selection)

mhsmith0 · Post Post #3171 (isolation #4) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:45 pm

Fwiw the miscommunication wasn't why town lost, so while unfortunate I would file under "stuff that happens", just my $0.02 tho.

mhsmith0 · Post Post #3176 (isolation #5) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:13 pm

Teh thing is, if you're town disliking both wagons you'd probably be actively working ot dismantle one or the other, or pushing your preferred wagon hard enough to give it some momentum, or, if you failed at both, probably making it VERY clear that you actively and strongly opposed both wagons. instead iirc you were pretty comfortable just hanging out with that drone vote that wasn't going anywhere or meaningfully impacting the day action