Mini Normal 1861: Musical Mafia (TOWN WIN)
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I assume Cloudkicker's d9 thing is just part of 'deliberately looking scummy'. Or is it a genuine slip? Would we typically expect 4 scum in this game size?In post 16, CloudKicker wrote:Lets start off by being a bit scummy or i wont get pushed by scum
Original Roll String: 1d9(STATIC) 1 9-Sided Dice: (6) = 6
VOTE: Io
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Incidentally I did spend the whole last game tunnelling someone who's name started with C because they were deliberately looking scummy. I really should try to avoid that this time.In post 22, MiniDeathStar wrote:I was being serious about Cloud though. Remember a fellow who claimed scum recently and turned out to be the real scum? Hint, their name also starts with C.
There's also this:
Sound like it's town? Because to me it doesn't sound like town would be a secret.In post 15, CloudKicker wrote:Hello, i fliped my favorite alignement :3 its a secret tho which one it is-
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Anyway since the die seemed to be a dead end I'll have to start sniffing somewhere else. Can you elaborate on why that post seems to make AJ look town?In post 13, Flubbernugget wrote:I'm already liking aj for town-
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In post 59, CloudKicker wrote:@Culted what is there to read into, as a town with a lot of attention i expected some kind of chainsaw/coasty NAI posts from scum and his last could fit in these if aynthing but thats really nothing
Although... Cloud isn't your post on Jin functionally identical to Mini's? You both say he's sorta suss but we probably shouldn't make anything of it. Seems a bit odd to be calling her out for it.In post 64, CloudKicker wrote:
@Culted : i am mentoring on another mafia site, this line could be added to my book of tells about how this is a clear cut really really common pattern from mafia to answer this kind of question, it keeps everything opens and looks like game solving when its not, its just refusing to answerIn post 58, MiniDeathStar wrote:Yes, Cloud, we get it, I called you scum and I still don't think you're town. Why are you repeating it? Like literally what was the purpose of that wall?
@culted:Not sure yet. I've played with Jin twice so far and from what I saw he's a bit weird/scummy in tone and playstyle so I can't read him until I've seen actual decisions from him.-
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Perhaps I should clarify the die thing. I did indeed read that as a scumslip not a townslip. However that was based on two wrong assumptions. Firstly I thought the roller was just a standard 1-9 roller. I didn't realize it was linked to the forum (i.e. I assumed he'd just manually skip over anyone who was a scum buddy). Secondly I thought 4 mafia might be possible in this game size. A few people have chimed in to correct me on both these points. It is now clear that it couldn't have been a scumslip and anyone familiar with the roller or the normal number of scum in the game would know that.
I don't buy it being a townslip though - it just indicates that he most recently played a micro game.
Anyway what's interesting to me is that Jin suggested that there could be something more to it. Is Jin as inexperienced as I am? Or was he trying to run with a newbie's mistake to get someone lynched? Lets move over to Jin and find out
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Oh Massive also asked why I think Cloudkicker and Mini aren't scum. Well I feel like Mini's suspicion of Cloud is pretty well founded and she seemed to be chasing it up appropriately. However I think she's wrong and that Cloud is town.
Generally in my experience scum are relaxed under pressure whilst town panic. I'm guessing this is because scum know they're lying and are expecting (on some level at least) to be caught out. Town however see a wagon as a betrayal - their own allies are turning on them. Therefore when experiencing pressure scum will tend to reply carefully and calmly whilst town will flail wildly. I'm seeing a lot of flailing from cloud. Most particularly him receiving a moderate push from Mini and unleashing a full voiced, totally unironic OMGUS in response. It reads a lot like tunneling something which isn't really beneficial for scum. Maybe it's all just wifom and I've been taken in but for now I'll give him a pass.-
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Yeah that makes sense. I'm trying to say this without being mean to cloud. I just don't see cloud doing an elaborate deception here. His flailing feels genuine to me. For example I think a scum player trying to look like a flailing newbie would not continue to insist he's super experienced.
I guess it's more of a gut read than anything else. At any rate I'm not gonna be too bothered if we do end up lynching him. For now though I'd prefer to get a bit more of a feel for everyone else.-
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I voted on you in the hopes of hearing a bit more about the d9 thing. It's clear that no-one with experience with either the roller or games of this player size would think the my theory that it was a scum slip made sense. However you entertained it anyway. Why?In post 125, Secret Agent Jin wrote:I dont know about these couple of votes on me but it really isnt a wagon so i will let it rest for now. I think the fact that CK cant go a single post without dropping the words "im town" is a bit troubling to me. It seems like he has to convincingly talk himself into believing that he is town. Personally i think CK purposely scumslipped so he could say that he is obviously town because no scum would REALLY do what he did and expose themselves when he actually has been scum all along.
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Jin that's perfectly fair reasoning. It's not what I'm asking though. I (completely wrongly) suggested that maybe Cloud had scumslipped by revealing there were 4 scum in the game. 4 people commented on that. Mini, Io and Culted all said it was dumb and clearly didn't make sense (which it turns out, it doesn't). You played along with it. Why?-
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On the one hand it's clear that at this point scum have more info than we do so their relationships should feel different then ours. On the other hand I can see how it's easy to get all tied up in building fantasy teams based on interactions with a single person that all falls apart when it turns out that first person wasn't scum and you've just been misreading them. I guess it seems to make sense to try and deliberately build interactions at this point through questions but probably best to leave actually using those interactions for votes till later days when we have more info.-
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By 'his' in this post you mean Grey's read that AJ is scum partner? That seems to be the case but you could also be referring to a cloud read on AJ I'm not seeing.In post 142, Flubbernugget wrote:Honestly if cloud flipped scum I could see his read on you making sense-
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In post 25, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
That is a bit weird that 9 numbers would be used instead of 12 or 13. I am interested to see Cloud's response.In post 23, Kairal wrote:
I assume Cloudkicker's d9 thing is just part of 'deliberately looking scummy'. Or is it a genuine slip? Would we typically expect 4 scum in this game size?In post 16, CloudKicker wrote:Lets start off by being a bit scummy or i wont get pushed by scum
Original Roll String: 1d9(STATIC) 1 9-Sided Dice: (6) = 6
VOTE: Io
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In these posts rather than pointing out that what I've said doesn't make any sense you instead appear to agree with me. The first one could just be reasonably looking to get more content out of Cloud. The second one addressed to Mini seems to be an invitation for her to run with the idea that the D9 is a scum slip. Something which I've been informed by no fewer than 3 other players definitely could not be the case. I'm not sure why you did not correct me on this and instead appeared to agree with me.In post 28, Secret Agent Jin wrote:MDS, what do you think of the D9 roll instead of D12 or 13?-
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Sheeping discussion. Personally I've never really understood the concept. The whole reason I make arguments is in order to persuade people. I want them to go 'Oh that's a convincing argument that X is scum, so I'll vote for them too'. To me sheeping seems like successful persuasion. On the other hand last game scum did blatantly use my argument, everyone else called them out for it and lynched them. So it seems it is a scumtell. It's a weird thing that's for sure.
Anyway right now we have 2 votes on AJ (from Massive and Io) and I don't see any reasoning provided for either. Mind explaining? Personally I looked through his ISO and he looks fine to me. By which I mean he has a reasonable number of posts and doesn't seem afraid to create solid interactions with people, and is actively creating content. Now sure my reads are often poop as previously established but if you post persuasive arguments as to why he should be lynched maybe I'll vote him too :p.-
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As an aside apparently I really am very transparently scum. I was playing Avalon with a friend the other day. He called me being scum on the very first vote (and I voted the same way I always do!). In fact he read who my scum partner was based on my interactions that first vote too. I managed to win by OMGUSing him super hard though. In fact it was me and the other scum who were selected to go on the final mission. Good times.
Anyway the point is when I roll scum I'll OMGUS super hard, kill you first night and then claim it's an obvious frame job.-
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Anyway re sheeping. I agree with you completely :p. Seriously though I do agree that semantics discussion is not at all useful to town. However I feel like Grey has been behind it both times. Now I like Grey because he obviously town reads me. However it seems like semantics are the main reasons for him voting AJ and I'd prefer a little more elaboration there.
VOTE: Grey
(Guess I'll abandon my CPR vote then. I've still got my eyes on you Dierfire)
Don't think I've forgotten you Io and Massive: both your votes on AJ are equally weird. Massive has this mas... huge post that seems to be leading to a vote on Mini and then abruptly swaps to AJ.
Io votes Aj citing my argument. However the only argument I can see with AJ is about whether scum or town are more likely to flail. I don't really see why she'd be voting Aj for that. Unless she thinks it was all part of a scheme to cast suspicion on Cloud (remember that I was saying Cloud's flailing meant town, so the disagreement implies that AJ thinks he's scum). However AJ's position is pretty clearly "Cloud is town and we should look elsewhere". So yeah. I don't see the scum motive here.-
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Cloud I don't want to misrepresent you. Just to be clear you believe the optimal play is to vote Mini regardless of anything that happens? Even though you believe Mafia will vote with you i.e. you don't think she's Mafia? You've had a chance to cool down now and I just want to be 100% you think this is a good idea.-
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Cool. I'm glad that's sorted. That means the most pressing thing right now is... I think it's probably the 3 votes on AJ. I can't see a reason to vote him and none of Grey, Massive or Io have presented one. I don't think it's possible that all 3 are scum. That would be a bit too easy. I do think scum is hiding behind it. If you're town and you're voting AJ please explain why. If you're not town and you're voting AJ please vote for yourself :p-
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Am I missing something? He accused you of confbiasing which only town or a neutral can do I guess sure. But it was pretty clear he meant arguing from a conclusion (because he thinks you're scum).
I guess it could be a scum slip... I'm not convinced he's scum yet but sure you've justified your vote.
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In post 76, Flubbernugget wrote:Cloud kicker
You bring up the fact that you have town slipped several times. Why do you think that couldn't have been faked by scum?In post 137, Flubbernugget wrote:
lolIn post 114, CloudKicker wrote:Everyone is so preoccupied about mafia faking slips and suchIn post 139, Flubbernugget wrote:
his intent to accuse you of intentionally shitting up the thread with wifom rung clear to meIn post 126, CloudKicker wrote:lol, that guy is saying im scum for calling myself town and doing a play ''no scum would REALLY do'', make sensIn post 144, Flubbernugget wrote:114 leads me to believe cloudkicker is more concerned with being self-congratulatory than actually trying to prove they are townThat last post is addressed to Jin for context. Flubber why do you go from a series of posts that seem pretty anti- ck to snapping at Jin for voting him? Is this because you no longer suspect CK? None of your posts seem to indicate that shift.
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In post 107, Aj The Epic wrote:Sure, if you're able to provide any reasoning behind it. Your current state of analysis is basically "I see you as scum because you are scum" and nothing more. You've adopted to tunnel on CK and apparently see me pointing out that NIA =/= Good play is 'coaching'. You've confirmbiased the game already.In post 112, Aj The Epic wrote:
Confbias might've been a wrong choice of wording. Tunneling would be the proper word.-Grey- wrote:
Only town can confbias. You are talking to me like you know I'm town even though you're voting for me.In post 107, Aj The Epic wrote:You've confirmbiased the game already.
That only strengthens my scumread on you.
However Confbias can absolutely come from scum (they know the roles from the getgo). It just isn't the correct word for what I asserted.
Ok I went back through AJ's ISO. These are the 3 posts discussing it. I'm a bit more sympathetic to Grey's argument now. It is weird that he specifically says confbias can come from scum then clarifies that he DOESN'T mean confbias he means tunneling (which... presumably only comes from town?). I dunno it's still semantics at heart but... yeah it's a bit weird.In post 118, Aj The Epic wrote:There's nothing to double down on. My semantic issue doesn't change my opinion, and you're trying to extrapolate shit that isn't there from it.
I was actually looking for the post which convinced me he was town the first time. Basically he initially calls out CK for being anti-town but suggests we should move on. I see how there can be scum motivation for this. However when I say I think Cloud looks like flailing town AJ suggests that most experienced players are good enough at faking it that I shouldn't read much into it. That's effectively an attack on cloud rather than a defense. I initially read this as being contrary to scum motives (if they're partners why initially defend and then attack?) (if Aj is the scum and CK is town then surely CK is an easy mislynch so why defend in the first place?). Thinking it over a bit more I guess he could be hoping to get a mislynch without actually doing it himself, and then after the town flip he could be all "I told you he was prob town".
So yeah I dunno. Grey's case isn't as bad as I thought and the reason I was town reading him is pretty flimsy. Most of the rest of his posts are meta or semantics fluff that doesn't really help. That's all getting a bit suspicious. On the other hand I still think the other two votes on him without any reasoning feel a bit scummy.
I'm not quite ready to vote him yet. I want to hear more of why those other two did but I'm leaning towards it. Sorry Grey. It was unfair for me to dismiss your case as a bad one.-
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Well tbh I was always planning on voting cloud. I just wanted to fish around for a bit more info on everyone else before getting to it. Yes the die thing was stupid but everything else he posted looked scummy as hell to me. I kind of had a gut feeling that maybe he was too obvious to be scum, but bad players can be scum too.
Anyway now that Cloud's gone it hardly seems fair to lynch Shadow for it. I'd like to see Newman's thoughts on other players. I guess Aj or Massive seem to be the two we're talking about now...
I understand Massive's vote on me and it makes sense. If anyone still wants to discuss it I can explain but it's kind of a complicated situation without much pay off so I'd rather not bother.
I don't understand his vote on AJ - he never provided a reason as far as I can see. His reasoning for voting Mini is also pretty wacky. You'd be a lot easier to trust if you just explained where you were coming from you know that?
Mini seems pretty town to me this game. She's playing about the same as she did in her last town game. She also provides clear explanations for who she's voting for at any time and it makes sense even if I don't always agree. It's possible I'm biased since she's the only one I've played with before I guess. I don't think so though.-
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I laughed. I'm still gonna vote you though since I feel unexplained votes are anti-town and you seem committed to not explaining them.In post 390, massive wrote:
I'm gonna blow your mind here. If I don't explain blank votes, I never deceive you. WHOA MIND BLOWNIn post 387, Kairal wrote:You'd be a lot easier to trust if you just explained where you were coming from you know that?
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Incidentally as far as Gamma goes, as far as I'm concerned rule 0 is in effect. Rule 0 is: the gamerunner is always right. if you have a problem with their ruling bring it up after the game. Gamma says the replacement isn't AI then it's not AI. If it were Gamma could always have restarted the game or whatever.-
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I'm currently sorting into two baskets. Would not lynch day 1 and the rest. Right now I have Mini, Grey, Dierfire and Culted in basket 1. Including myself that means I have the bare minimum for a town read from 5 of 13 people. That's not my 'would never lynch, clearly town bff' list. That's my exceeded bare minimum to not get lynched list. If I'm super generous I could maybe fit Jin in there.
Why are the rest of you making this so hard? You can't all be non-town aligned. I would basically be ok casting a vote on 7 players here either because they've posted virtually nothing (IamI, Newmann), have an inexplicable aversion to explaining their votes (Io,massive), accused a player of tunneling and then clarified that tunneling is not the one that comes from scum! (AJ), are most notable for being weirdly hostile to someone for no reason (Flubber) or... whatever the hell cloud was doing. If you are town throw me a bone here. Give me a reason, any reason, why I shouldn't be voting you out.
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Cool you're here. Lets talk about it. You initially claim he's confbias - he says only town can be confbiased so why are you voting him. You respond with... this. You clarifiy that confbias can come from scum but you don't think he's confbias. Surely you can see how this looks like you are arguing he's not scum. Yet you continue to vote him. Just to get this totally clear for me: what do you mean when you say tunneling?In post 112, Aj The Epic wrote:
Confbias might've been a wrong choice of wording. Tunneling would be the proper word.-Grey- wrote:
Only town can confbias. You are talking to me like you know I'm town even though you're voting for me.In post 107, Aj The Epic wrote:You've confirmbiased the game already.
That only strengthens my scumread on you.
However Confbias can absolutely come from scum (they know the roles from the getgo). It just isn't the correct word for what I asserted.-
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Ok I see the disconnect here. I've been seeing tunneling as a town thing and given that you specify that confbias can be scum it looked weird. Thanks I'll put you in basket 1 for now.
It really is that easy folks. Just give me something to go on. 6 people left. Well... maybe 7 depending on Jin's next few posts.
Like Io. You still have a naked vote for AJ with 0 explanation as to why. Your most recent post indicates that you weren't even sure about AJ and were possibly thinking of voting Grey. None of this was clear to me because you never said anything about it. If you are town leaving a record of these thoughts makes it easier for the rest of us to see where you are coming from and forces scum to also commit to positions and thoughts all of which makes our job easier. Please help me out here.-
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I think it may well be a scumslip or it may be a simple mistake. Personally it is nowhere near as incriminating as Io and massive's repeated refusals to engage in basic town behaviour. At least AJ's playing the game, posting reads and reasonable questions. I'm getting absolutely nothing of value from Io or massive despite repeated requests. I'm not sure if Io straight up ignoring it is more or less frustrating than massive outright telling me it's not gonna happen.-
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I forgot you were voting massive :p. Anyway if you recall this conversation started with me trying to decide whether AJ should fit into my lynch list or my reassess tomorrow list. You responded so I responded. I'm feeling confident at this point that you're town, so I feel like your read is genuine. I'm just trying to decide whether or not I agree.-
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The thing is... I never made a case on AJ. Seriously check out my discussions with Grey where he's frustrated with me specifically because I've frequently defended AJ. I have one post that could be considered an attack on AJ and it's really more of a concession that he may have scumslipped. Emphasis on 'may'In post 428, Io wrote:I already said, I'm like 90% sure in the vote post itself, that I voted AJ because I had real Kai's points about AJ then agreed with the assessment.
Then he made the 378 which is just a long scum orientated post throwing a little bit of shade at a lot of people but not outright accusing most of them.-
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No those votes are also annoying. However culted's post in 41 appeared to be a late RVS, I specifically voted Grey for 47, I specifically called out Grey again for 117. In both cases he explained where he was coming from. 291... Hmm yeah that's a little weird. Mini why are you feeling better about Massive? I believe you already had FoS on Io previously so I get why you changed the vote to her. But why not massive?In post 430, massive wrote:Kairal: Can I direct you to 41, 47, 117, and 291, and ask you whether or not you think those votes had reasons?
Massive why do you have time to scour the thread for other naked votes and not explain your own naked votes. Maybe I'm stomping all over some brilliant plan that comes from years of experience here I dunno. But it really does just look like a scum chucking in votes and unable to justify them.-
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Thanks Mini. You know when you put it like this it makes it sound like I'm doing the pool of suspects again. As you recall that didn't end so well for us last time. I assure you I'm not locking myself into these reads. They're purely for day 1 and I'll reassess everyone on the list tomorrow. It's just a way to narrow down my potential lynch targets for today.In post 427, MiniDeathStar wrote:
So here's the thing. Kairal's actively trying to reduce the pool of suspects, which is incredibly town and super bad for scum unless he put his partners in his "basket 1". And tbh if those people are the scum, we may have already lost the game, we just don't know it yet.In post 402, Kairal wrote:I'm currently sorting into two baskets. Would not lynch day 1 and the rest. Right now I have Mini, Grey, Dierfire and Culted in basket 1. Including myself that means I have the bare minimum for a town read from 5 of 13 people. That's not my 'would never lynch, clearly town bff' list. That's my exceeded bare minimum to not get lynched list. If I'm super generous I could maybe fit Jin in there.
Either way, I don't see how any scumread on that man could be justified other than with forced nitpicking.
The only people who work to actively *expand* the possible pool of lynchables by feigning paranoia before MYLO/LYLO and looking to cast doubt on others' townreads, are the scum.-
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Ok. Does this mean all of your votes till now are random votes? You should at least have some reason for them right? Like you made this post earlier about how scum are brilliantly mind controlling people into lynching you. I'm offering you a very easy way to get me to reconsider my vote on you. All you need to do is explain your votes.In post 447, massive wrote:
It's day one. I don't have a brilliant plan. I also think anyone who says they have a concrete reason for voting on day one is probably wrong and scum will love having them around to exploit.In post 443, Kairal wrote: Massive why do you have time to scour the thread for other naked votes and not explain your own naked votes. Maybe I'm stomping all over some brilliant plan that comes from years of experience here I dunno. But it really does just look like a scum chucking in votes and unable to justify them.
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Alright I've given him more then enough chances. I'm not quite ready to end the day yet. I'd like to hear a bit more from Newman, IamI and Shadowstep. Likewise I'd like to hear Io's explanation for this argument of mine she's sheeping, the argument I never made. However barring some pretty major scumtells from someone I think my vote will remain on massive for today. He's extremely likely scum and I'm no longer seriously entertaining the possibility that he's town.-
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In post 108, massive wrote:
I'd say we just go ahead and get interested in AJ without worrying about a flip.In post 104, -Grey- wrote:Cloud scum flip will make me very interested in AJ.
Hmm I see. Well I apologize for annoying you enough to do so, on the off chance you're being genuine. You will be unsurprised to learn that it doesn't help me town read you though.In post 179, massive wrote:
I'm leaning towards town. I haven't seen any indication that his townslip isn't genuine (and I do think it's a townslip), and after thinking about it, Kairal's townslip along the same lines probably makes them both town. I don't think either of them make good lynches today. (Or lunches, if that's a thing.)In post 135, Flubbernugget wrote:Massive, I would like your read on cloudkicker. I see your 94 as not reading them as town, yet your 95 votes for someone else for *reasons*
And my vote is staying on you.
There are no associative tells between town and anybody, so trying to use them as a method of scumhunting without, you know, having a scum to tie them to really isn't a thing.In post 138, Aj The Epic wrote:How do associative tells not work? Like I know I've been gone for 8 months but how does the community just disregard an entire part of scumhunting? (Asking because this is something I've heard multiple times in like 2 days). They absolutely do work, Grey's just grasping at shit and hoping something sticks.
A -- if you were only voting town half the time, you're actually doing better than would be expected (since town is 75% of the game) so again, why would you not want people sheeping you? And B -- honey, if you think people are going to follow the village elder, maybe you better check my join date.In post 154, MiniDeathStar wrote:
Because last game people sheeped me and I was voting town 50% of the time. We're a majority for a reason, everyone should be contributing to the discussion, not blindly following the village elder.In post 94, massive wrote:If you legitimately believe Cloudkicker is scum as you say, why would you be actively against people sheeping you? You do this more than just here.
Very interested what it is about my vote that makes me scum. And no, 157 isn't even remotely close. And no, trying to push the town based on 157 with no additional reasons is practically bullshit.In post 95, massive wrote:Oops forgot my random not-actually-random vote!
In post 154, MiniDeathStar wrote: And just like that, massive starts slowly oozing down towards the scumpile.
Can you quote 99 and, specifically, what is exemplary of your point above?In post 162, culted wrote:
That's fair, 99 is pretty bad as well like you always see scum trying to push people while simultaneously impressing how they should be reading someone else.In post 157, MiniDeathStar wrote:His questions felt pointless, and that vote on Kairal was super bad.
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Hmm...? Either flubbernaught is your number 2 scumread or if I'm reading it backwards I'm your number 1 scum read?In post 316, MiniDeathStar wrote:Scum Meter KairalElhabe21Cloudkicker-Grey-cultedHellloooNewmanI Am InnocentSecret Agent JinAj The EpicmassiveFlubbernuggetIotown|~town|null|~scum|scum
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Unfortunately I don't think a massive flip will tell us about flubber specifically. Flubber's vote early is not hard enough to be clear evidence he's town but also not quite soft enough to be sure he's scum. It really could go either way.
That said I don't think he's particularly scummy at the moment. Right now massive,io, shadow, Newman and IamI all take priority for me. Massive, Io and Shadow are quite scummy whilst I have far less of a handle on Newman and IamI then I'd like.
Ideally I'd like to go into day 2 having some idea where everyone stands on the person being lynched.
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Besides Bork's ruthless bussing actually lost her the game. If Flubber was doing the same thing a) He'd be going at massive a lot harder and b) he'd lead us to more scum tomorrow. That game is actually a very clear demonstration to me that scum cannot win by playing like town the whole game. At some point they need to actually be doing things in the day phase that favour scum (i.e directing suspicion towards town and away from scum). Otherwise they run the risk of being found mechanically.-
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It's possible. In another town I'd probably be very worried about it. However I have literally 3 people who are scummier and 2 who are totally inactive. That puts flubber way down at number 6 personally and therefore I just can't see my way towards lynching or voting him day 1. We'll see how he looks by the end of Day 2 I guessIn post 518, MiniDeathStar wrote:The reason why I'm iffy on it is because Flub could have quoted a number of other posts as evidence for his scumhunting, but he was specifically anchored on that *one* post and brought it up several times. It kind of looks like he wants bussing to pay off, if he's indeed bussing.-
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