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My views of 1sv It really comes down to ideals on how to play the game. I think it's null at most.
Think bigis a town read in my book he puts pressure on 1 shot to try and get information out of him. Instead of actually trying to frame him as scummy as fuck it looks like he is trying to find out if he is scum. He does seem to get caught up in optimal game procedure, which really doesn't matter I would prefer he would stop focusing on since it's a waste of time.
I don't think Josh is scum. I used to flail harder than josh as town.
Josh does actually have a good point on pine here not the shitty rvs thing no that points bad. The bolded point is around similar lines of what I was thinking. Pine did try and turn into a serious thing on 1shot and it seems strange why.In post 70, Joshz wrote:See? Still not out of RVS. Stop bitching about him voting no lynch, that's not scum indicative it's newbie indicative. Not newbie townie, just newbie.That post you quoted, Pine, is a clear joke, and trying to build a serious argument around it is awful. And you can't make an argument against no lynch in Mylo because sometimes it's a good idea and sometimes it's not, that's a game specific situation, there's no blanket answer.
So real vote: VOTE: pine
This looks opportunistic as well in my mind it allows him to jump off 1shots wagon onto and buddying another player.In post 79, Pine wrote:
OH well spotted. I can choose to let 1SVT go as having made a joke in poor taste, but this blatant cogdis needs rope.nn30 wrote:
I could forgive post 50 as being an RVS (which I very clearly think it is).In post 70, Joshz wrote:See? Still not out of RVS. Stop bitching about him voting no lynch, that's not scum indicative it's newbie indicative. Not newbie townie, just newbie. That post you quoted, Pine, is a clear joke, and trying to build a serious argument around it is awful. And you can't make an argument against no lynch in Mylo because sometimes it's a good idea and sometimes it's not, that's a game specific situation, there's no blanket answer.
So real vote: VOTE: pine
That said you basically took my reasoning as the gospel in post 70. Not even a question of my motivations - you just use it to attempt to skewer Pine.
Vote joshz
Keep up this kind of analytical thinking, nn30, and I think we'll get along just fine.
I do have a theroy in my head at the momment but I want to see more from the people in it before I make it public.
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I think tb was actually trying to work out 1shot and that gives him a little town lean his other posting is pretty meh and I can see where your coming from. Also I changed my mind after the shower i will say whats on my mind instead of waiting I think 1 shot and pine are linked. I think pine was ready to bus a buddy and josh was a convenient way to move his vote off him.In post 143, drealmerz7 wrote:Garmr - to me both pine and TB came out a bit scummy from that stuff but TB was more scummy to me what you see as trying to figure it out seems more like a convenient fake of scum-hunting - FoS on both
Also notice here how he says if his unsure if it's scummy actions or vi stuff while actually helping him. It seems like artificial doubt his trying to place waiting for the flip. I feel like if he was town he would start reassuring other scum reads at this point while maintaining pressure on josh because this is where tunnel vision should stop.In post 116, Pine wrote:@josh - Town of Salem experience does not apply. The game is played VASTLY different there. The other site probably doesn't apply either - most sites that are not MS are essentially random lynching most of the time, or else overly rely on PRs.
Also, get an avatar you hippy scumfuck.
@Mod This is why you have your players confirm their role by PM. Please require that Josh does so
Uncertain whether scummy actions by Josh are newbie VI stuff or if "I don't know my role" is a ploy.
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Because there's no danger early game to do so. Town don't want short days they want long days to get as much info out of players as possible so early wagons tend to dissolve into nothing and the player can get off scott free as they tend not to be lynched at the end of the day. Then you could warp that information into a variety of things.In post 156, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:@Garmar:Why would scum feel the need to try to bus early?
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Can you tell me why you feel the need to get worked up over me thinking your scum? No one else is voting you right now why are showing the fact you are being pressured.In post 157, Pine wrote:Hey garmr, your hardon for me is showing. Two inches? Pathetic.-
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Not necessarily this isn't the first time you got worked over someone voting you the first was with josh. Being dismissive could taken be a sign of fear and you been dismissive twice at plausible cases. I feel if you were town you wouldn't feel intimidated and would try to debunk it instead of putting up a false bravado.In post 170, Pine wrote:Unvote
I am inclined to believe the breakdown. Like I said, my first non-Newbie game something similar happened to me. Josh doesn't strike me as having the guile to pull off such a convincing AtE.
This doesn't preclude him being scum, as I think the "I didn't read my role PM" thing sounds believable, but it does suggest we give him a full reset, let him recover, and judge him from this point forward.
Josh, go read your role PM, compose yourself, and engage with this thread. Consider this a Newbie Plus game.
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ThinkBig I think you are stuck on what a town should do over what a person would do as town. I personally think josh is a town lean. I can see a newbie going this shit is unfair i'm town and the case on me is bs and having a emotional breakdown.In post 174, ThinkBig wrote:
As I mentioned, I absolutely believe josh was lying and that we should lynch all liars. He's certainly the best lynch as of now, but it's way too soon to end the DP.In post 173, drealmerz7 wrote:I don't think the mod will do anything, but I am okay to wait and see (obviously.) As pointed out, 13/13 confirmed. It's a lie. It's up to us to move forward.-
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Wasn't really a hard bus because the wagon never built up and he was quick to drop it and hasn't mentioned it since. If scum sits backs as well they can be noticed as well so they need to do something. Really it's just a option for them to take if you think about it it has benefits and disadvantages and I think pine could only see benefits.In post 182, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Yeah but there is no need to do so. Scum are already at an advantage here considering they know a lot more than town and just have to blend in. It's a lot easier in my opinion for scum to just sit back and watch the town kill each other than to go for a hard bus.In post 168, Garmr wrote:
Because there's no danger early game to do so. Town don't want short days they want long days to get as much info out of players as possible so early wagons tend to dissolve into nothing and the player can get off scott free as they tend not to be lynched at the end of the day. Then you could warp that information into a variety of things.In post 156, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:@Garmar:Why would scum feel the need to try to bus early?
pedit: Yeah I'm pretty sure it takes 7 to hammer. My apologizes for not starting that he was at L-2, I should have been more aware.
Long days also tend to not be so beneficial to town due to things like doubt and uncertainty to creep in and scum having the potential to slip away.
Short days on the other hand also benefit scum with lack of information while long days depend on the player so I guess you have to get something in between.-
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@secret agent jin
I noticed your vote on Josh was rvs. You haven't really had a big reaction on josh wagon it kinda seemed like a meh.
I am amusing your reads real or fake aren't very concrete so Is there anything not josh related that has caught your eye. Also what looks like a fence post to you here at the momment?In post 95, Secret Agent Jin wrote:I am glad there is actual discussion, some games tend to trail off and lack discussion. Everyone gets a gold star for participation, some might be smaller than others but every star counts.
The only person that sticks out is Josh, i would like to see what other people that of his no-explanation votes (maybe RVS?) and his very lacking word post. I seen some people discuss this, i see what you are saying. I would like to see the others are thinking.
P.S. This is seperate from the Josh thing but in my experience i find that scum tend to have a lot of fence posts. They often write reads that are easily back tracked on which contain words like maybe, possibly, could be.-
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This post is pretty informative if you can read between the lines.In post 143, drealmerz7 wrote:Garmr - to me both pine and TB came out a bit scummy from that stuff but TB was more scummy to me what you see as trying to figure it out seems more like a convenient fake of scum-hunting - FoS on both
Here he is trying to convince me to stop voting pine even through he says he is scummy and jump on to TB( Think Big.)
I can say from this interaction alone that Think Big is most likely town. As I don't think Drealmerz would try to butter me up so he could move my vote to a scum buddy.-
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This post annoys the hell out of me. His 2 votes on 1 shot wonder and penguin had no actual text so how the fuck could they be serious votes?In post 208, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I don't know why he played like did DH. It left me confused all of Night 1 and it still does now. All I can say is that I didn't see the town motivation behind any of his lies and his reaction to the pressure being to claim he didn't read his role PM coming from town.His votes without reason which he claimed were RVS read like serious votes to meand all I wanted to know was his how and why he came to voting for who he did so I could see if I had missed something. Maybe I let my disgust for naked votes and not explaining reads cloud my judgment but I don't regret voting for him despite how terrible I feel about the ending of Day 1.
He also actual did have a solid reasoning for the time to vote pine (I had a similar opinion.) underneath the bad one if you bothered to check.
Also as people have said before lying about checking your role pm isn't alignment indicative also it's possible he didn't lie and just sent the words confirm with out checking the role.In post 70, Joshz wrote:That post you quoted, Pine, is a clear joke, and trying to build a serious argument around it is awful. And you can't make an argument against no lynch in Mylo because sometimes it's a good idea and sometimes it's not, that's a game specific situation, there's no blanket answer.
So real vote: VOTE: pine
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Ok lets take the people and our reads on each other out of the equation. This for everyone else as well.In post 217, Pine wrote:Garmr, we've played together before. You're smarter than this. Blind tunneling is looking scummy.
Well, aside from the fact that the meaning is pretty plain via context, and the fact that you have Google at your fingertips (and Google has a good definition), I'll clarify. Grok is an obscure slang to indicate intuitive understanding. I was suggesting that LUV seems lost and more than a little confused, which in my book suggests he's part of the uninformed majority. There's also a competence connotation that I was trying not to make explicit, out of politeness.In post 215, Dark Horse wrote:Pine what do you mean by "not really grok what's going on in this game"
His difficulty getting a handle on the game does not strike me as artifice.
we have factor 1, 2, 3 and scum
Say I am factor 1 I know I am town but for this equation lets put me at null since you don't have that information unless you are scum.
You are factor 2
And tb is factor 3
Factor 1 has a scum read on Factor 2. Scum comes along and tries to convince Factor 1 to shift his vote the Factor 3
No matter the alignment of factor 1 or 2 factor 3 is unlikely to be scum.
If factor 1 is town scum is unlikely to try and convince factor 1 to vote factor 3 if factor 3 was a scum buddy. Because if factor 2 is town the wagon on factor 2 is more likely to get lynched than factor 3 who was in a pretty comfy position. If Factor 2 is scum then it makes no sense to suggest another scum buddy over factor 2.
If factor 1 is scum (not the case but lets factor it anyway.) It still makes no sense for factor 3 to be scum because of factor 3s position in the game (unlikely to get lynched.). if factor 2 is town then there's no reason to move off factor 2 to a scum buddy and if factor 2 is scum then that's the whole scum team making 3 town by default.
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You're right we have played together before and didn't we lose a entire game because of my blind tunneling (A problem I have been trying to work on) Also dwlee can attest to me blind tunneling in a past game with him. So what's curious is how your trying to portray it as scummy here as a threat to try and make back off. Also I'm not blindly tunneling here notice how I haven't placed a vote yet I'm processing the information from a drealmers scum flip still.In post 217, Pine wrote:Garmr, we've played together before. You're smarter than this. Blind tunneling is looking scummy.
Well, aside from the fact that the meaning is pretty plain via context, and the fact that you have Google at your fingertips (and Google has a good definition), I'll clarify. Grok is an obscure slang to indicate intuitive understanding. I was suggesting that LUV seems lost and more than a little confused, which in my book suggests he's part of the uninformed majority. There's also a competence connotation that I was trying not to make explicit, out of politeness.In post 215, Dark Horse wrote:Pine what do you mean by "not really grok what's going on in this game"
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What reasoning does he have to bus and why push tb over you if you are town? Also I'm not using it as a excuse and I'm not hard tunneling. Pine You honestly haven't put any real content out there just a bunch of random insults at people who pushed you day 1.In post 222, Pine wrote:It's called 'bussing,' Garmr. Your theory ONLY works if I'm scum, and Drealmerz was trying to move votes off of him and onto me. Considering that Drealmerz was actually attacking me pretty hard at day end, your premise doesn't hold water.
It's a classic soft bus. Mention two people, one Town and the other your scumbuddy. Give an unsupported scumread against your buddy, then spend your time attacking your real target. Hint: It was me.
PEdit: I don't remember the game you're referring to, but it doesn't really matter. If you lost a game that way, you correct the behavior and move on. You don't get to continually use it as an excuse to do scummy shit. I mean, Christ, you've hardly given an opinion on anyone other than me and now TB.
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In post 224, Pine wrote:The only person I've been mocking is you Garmr, so you can stow that plural pronoun.
Further, he didn't really push TB over me. As I said in literally the post before yours, he mentioned TB, then went after me. That's a classic soft bus. You offer up your teammate without much supporting evidence, then go after your true target - me.
Seriously, flipped scum offered one target, then went after me. How does that not scream bait-and-switch to you?
Case on TB is pretty solid. You're kinda the one who's doing nothing but throwing shade.
To josh before he went off the rails you over reacted.In post 71, Pine wrote:
PEdit: Fuck off, I'll read whatever I like into whatever else I like. Vote bullying like you're doing is also a scumtell. Chainsawing this early? Amateur.-
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Hey pine even through I'm attacking you the most right now it's because I'm trying to sort you because at the moment after the dreamer flip i'm unsure because i have three theroies on your alignment at the moment but I do have a slight lean to scum because your responses are pretty hostile when someone suspects you and I don't remember you being like that as town. But the important question I want to ask What's your opinion on the player NN30?-
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I feel like i'm in the twilight zone.In post 255, Dark Horse wrote:
Yep, hence the vote. For your points, I don't think he should get credit for unvoting. Notice that right before he unvoted, Pine (a dominant force in this thread and likely town) voted dreal for trying to keep the wagon alive. His unvote could easily be him trying to stay out of the hot seat.So you think that uzi is more likely scum than TB?
I feel like town would be more likely to screw up a votecount than scum. Screwing up a votecount that badly is something that'll get people looking at you, which isn't something that noob scum would want. Noob scum would almost certainly be more careful
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Talking about sleep I need some I couldn't be bothered posting today work was tiring.In post 299, PenguinPower wrote:
Sleeping!In post 296, nn30 wrote:Hey Penguin where'd you go?
You were all kinds of talkative when you were defending yourself...
Where are you now?-
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When you actually bothering to look deeper and pay attention you would actually notice despite how much dreal pushed pine he never voted him. Also he tried to move the only vote off pine onto thinkbig. Instead of you know shifting his vote to pine which would of gained more traction than TB at the time.In post 304, 1 Shot Vanilla Town wrote:Dreal had Pine as scum and was pushing it.
It's pretty easy to work out to be honest.
Also he tried to move the only vote off pine onto thinkbig. Instead of you know shifting his vote to pine which would of gained more traction than TB.
Also he tried to move the only vote off pine onto thinkbig. Instead of you know shifting his vote to pine which would of gained more traction than TB
Also he tried to move the only vote off pine onto thinkbig. Instead of you know shifting his vote to pine which would of gained more traction than TB
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Buzz nope your still on surface level. The correct argument and line of reasoning is if pine is town why wouldn't he just move his vote over to pine when he had the chance so many times? Super fucking simple stuff.In post 309, Secret Agent Jin wrote:So, Garmr, are you suggesting a link between Dreal and Pine? I actually think that the surface level is what you are looking at with the Dreal/Pine thing. We know Dreal was scum but do you think scum would try to move one vote off their partner when someone can easily point to that and link the two? I think it was more of a ploy so that when Dreal flipped someone would draw lines to Pine and take him down.-
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Incorrect way of trying to frame things. Stop trying to frame my argument as something completely diffrent that's scummy.In post 310, Pine wrote:Surface level is exactly what Garmr's on about. He keeps talking about what Drealmerz SAID, not what he DID. He SAID ThinkBig, and then DID go after me.
ThinkBig is the correct lynch.
I actually talked about what he said and did and compared them which goes beyond surface level. My argument goes into the motivation of the action not just the action itself learn to fucking argue thanks.-
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But not everyone knew that because someone said that 6 votes lynched him and people forgot to count the 7th and the game went on like it wasn't. your point is redundant.In post 313, Pine wrote:Because Josh was already lynched. Fucking simple stuff-
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Tell me when a TB wagon was more viable over pine during day 1? The point was no one was voting tb except the actual scum member and even through he was pushing on pine he didn't switch his vote. He had the chance to at anytime switch the vote especially when I declined him trying to buddy up to me.In post 314, nn30 wrote:
What are you talking about? I've re-read D1 three times now. There was never a moment where I felt a pine wagon was going to flair up. What are you talking about with you 'so many times' argument?In post 311, Garmr wrote:
Buzz nope your still on surface level. The correct argument and line of reasoning is if pine is town why wouldn't he just move his vote over to pine when he had the chance so many times? Super fucking simple stuff.In post 309, Secret Agent Jin wrote:So, Garmr, are you suggesting a link between Dreal and Pine? I actually think that the surface level is what you are looking at with the Dreal/Pine thing. We know Dreal was scum but do you think scum would try to move one vote off their partner when someone can easily point to that and link the two? I think it was more of a ploy so that when Dreal flipped someone would draw lines to Pine and take him down.
The D1 was a joke. We disucssed some RVS crap and then ran up Josh for his bad play.
There weren't 'so many' opportunities.
I'm sold.In post 310, Pine wrote:Surface level is exactly what Garmr's on about. He keeps talking about what Drealmerz SAID, not what he DID. He SAID ThinkBig, and then DID go after me.
ThinkBig is the correct lynch.
VOTE: TB-
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You don't understand What I was meaning was it would of been better for him to switch to pine if pine was town he didn't........ Why is everyone taking what I'm trying to say and misunderstanding it.In post 320, nn30 wrote:
Neither were ever beyond 10% viable.In post 319, Garmr wrote:
Tell me when a TB wagon was more viable over pine during day 1? The point was no one was voting tb except the actual scum member and even through he was pushing on pine he didn't switch his vote. He had the chance to at anytime switch the vote especially when I declined him trying to buddy up to me.In post 314, nn30 wrote:
What are you talking about? I've re-read D1 three times now. There was never a moment where I felt a pine wagon was going to flair up. What are you talking about with you 'so many times' argument?In post 311, Garmr wrote:
Buzz nope your still on surface level. The correct argument and line of reasoning is if pine is town why wouldn't he just move his vote over to pine when he had the chance so many times? Super fucking simple stuff.In post 309, Secret Agent Jin wrote:So, Garmr, are you suggesting a link between Dreal and Pine? I actually think that the surface level is what you are looking at with the Dreal/Pine thing. We know Dreal was scum but do you think scum would try to move one vote off their partner when someone can easily point to that and link the two? I think it was more of a ploy so that when Dreal flipped someone would draw lines to Pine and take him down.
The D1 was a joke. We disucssed some RVS crap and then ran up Josh for his bad play.
There weren't 'so many' opportunities.
I'm sold.In post 310, Pine wrote:Surface level is exactly what Garmr's on about. He keeps talking about what Drealmerz SAID, not what he DID. He SAID ThinkBig, and then DID go after me.
ThinkBig is the correct lynch.
VOTE: TB
Your point is moot.
I'm voting pine his pushing pine yet pushing tb harder. I'm still on pine he tries convincing me to shift my vote from pine to TB.
It's not about if a wagon is going to take off it's about him wanting me to move my vote from his supposed scum read of pine to tb instead.
LIKE HOW HARD IS IT TO GET THAT SCUM WANTED ME TO MY VOTE OFF SOMEONE HIS BEEN PUSHING TO ANOTHER PERSON.-
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OkIn post 329, nn30 wrote:Garmr - your case is incomprehensible.
You need to communicate more effectively.
We've gone in circles and I still don't know what you're trying to say.
Simple lets start with part 1
This post is around the time I am pushing pine.In post 143, drealmerz7 wrote:Garmr - to me both pine and TB came out a bit scummy from that stuff but TB was more scummy to me what you see as trying to figure it out seems more like a convenient fake of scum-hunting - FoS on both
Here scum tries to engage with me but instead of fueling my pine scum read he is trying to convince me that tb is worse than pine. It's none at this point I had a town read on josh so if pine is town why would dreaml aka scum try to convince me that tb is worse.
Also this should indicate why tb is town as well. Because why would scum try to convince me to vote there scum buddy over a town member?-
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Agreed 100% with the bolded. But at least you understand my case. But these interactionsIn post 334, nn30 wrote:@Garmr - please reference specific posts and instances for your 'part 2.'
A few things. Your 330 makes a lot of sense to me. Here's what I think is safe to conclude from what you are trying to say:
Confirmed scum Dreamer responds to a case on pine by FoS both Pine and TB. He lands on TB, however, with the stronger suspicion.
What does this say about TB? He's probably town.
What does this say about Pine? One of two things - he's either scum that Dreamer soft defended, or he's town.
Here's my best argument for town pine in the context of this discussion - Dreamer's actions cannot be looked at in black and white terms. He could have soft defended his buddy, yes, but he could also just be saying crap in an attempt to get town read or in an attempt to confuse town. You cannot conclusively say that Pine is scum because of this isnstance.
Which is why I want you to point to specific instances for your 'part 2' so that we can futher this discussion.
FTR - I have a strong town read on Pine because of his and I's interactions following the D1 1shot no lynch discussion. I'm willing to admit that I'm wrong here - it's on you to convince me.In post 157, Pine wrote:Hey garmr, your hardon for me is showing. Two inches? Pathetic.
this ones at josh who flipped town. But watch how he responds to dreamersIn post 71, Pine wrote: PEdit: Fuck off, I'll read whatever I like into whatever else I like. Vote bullying like you're doing is also a scumtell. Chainsawing this early? Amateur.
His not the wanka he was acting as towards me or josh. It's a total emotionless exchange.In post 145, Pine wrote:Drealmerz, look later on the Josh wagon. My reasoning was at least original, the rest of the wagon just steeped onto it.
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This outrage seems out of place. Normally you wouldn't care if your fake or real scum read votes you because you want them lynched and if your town you would think there scum anyway. I think this more outrage at a scum buddy who has done something they didn't agree with.In post 184, drealmerz7 wrote:
I'm fucking devastated. Seriously. It's fucking bogus. Scum tactics through and through. He sells it well, but I am NOT BUYING IT. If he hadn't self-voted I MAYYYYYYYBE would have MAYYYYYBE dropped it depending on the rest of it, but, nononononono, that is just SCUMMMMMMMMMMM. And if he gets replaced because you guys let him go...omfg...graaahhhhhhhhhhhhh...."ohno they caught me replace me" - it's a fucking free passIn post 181, Pine wrote:
Vote drealmerz
This guy is WAY too disappointed at the dissolution of the Josh wagon. Why so invested in it? He was an easy lynch, looks like disappointed scum.
NOOOOO.
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I've actually had past experience with pine so I think I know him better than you.In post 341, nn30 wrote:@Garmr - I see what you're saying and your case on Pine isn't convincing. I can refute point by point if you want to belabor the issue, but the short version is everything you've found could come from either a town or a scum Pine. You've posted no reason for me to lean scum, either.-
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I did have a theory that at the start of the day you and pine were scum but I changed my mind on that. Your day 2 has been pretty good and the way you engaged with me doesn't feel like how scum would. On the off chance you are scum have a cookie because your doing a real good job of looking town at the moment.In post 344, nn30 wrote:So:
I am town reading the following players.
Gamer
LUV
Secret Agent
Dark Horse
Town lean:
Pine
TB
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1 shot
Flubbernugget
Scum lean:
Penguin
I'd like to more strongly discuss my null and scum reads. We're going in circles Garmr. Take the tunnel goggles off.
Re: Penguin - I posted a case on him to which only he reaponded. I'd like more input on it.
Re: Flubber - post man...
@1 shot - what's your take on the Garmr Pine fiasco?
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I feel like Tb is town and I have been look at n30 closely before making a decision about him. But you can continue sooking and trying to frame me as incapable of doing anything but tunneling you. I was right about how josh was town lol. Also I had a gut feeling about dreamlz was when he tried to push me off you through I didn't really state it outloud. So right now I'm feeling pretty confident in my reads.In post 355, Pine wrote:
Or anyone else, really.In post 353, Garmr wrote:So can you summarize your case on penguin I haven't really looked into the player yet.-
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You do realize that it's the exact same situation with me and pine as your case on penguin right it could be either bad town or scum. While It's entirely possible that all his motivations were town it would still come from scum And weighing up the odds we both concluded it would most likely come from scum.In post 354, nn30 wrote:@Garmr - 281
I lay it out there.
Either PP is dumb town or scum for saying what I quote in 281.
I'm leaning scum.
But looking at PP reaction I can see how you got there. But at the moment I'm on the fence with pp.
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Says the one who played a part in lynching joshz and is going to try and lynch tb even through tb is pretty fucking town.In post 369, Pine wrote:That's just bad logic.-
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You tried to put the break on it right. That's why you're invited in post 170In post 378, Pine wrote:I tried to put the brakes on the Josh lynch after his meltdown, but yeah, re-interpret history however you fucking want.-
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Fuck I hate phone posting will actually play when I get homeIn post 380, Garmr wrote:
You tried to put the break on it right. That's why you're invited in post 170In post 378, Pine wrote:I tried to put the brakes on the Josh lynch after his meltdown, but yeah, re-interpret history however you fucking want.-
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I think people are using this to town read pine thinking him busting is a town sign. Can you tell me why you think pine is town?In post 452, Flubbernugget wrote:nn bussing drealmer was a no brainer-
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But that's were you pushing forward the wrong version of history. You didn't try to put a stop anything you just unvoted him you didn't push he was town actively. I don't ever remember you trying to take credit for things as town and trying to improve your image. Hell I tried harder to stop the wagon than you and that's just me announcing my town read and why.In post 378, Pine wrote:I tried to put the brakes on the Josh lynch after his meltdown, but yeah, re-interpret history however you fucking want.
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This seems a like little nudge to a scum buddy to get off and also a lie in way.In post 145, Pine wrote:Drealmerz, look later on the Josh wagon. My reasoning was at least original, the rest of the wagon just steeped onto it.
You sheeped your reason for the josh vote. You never made your own reasoning up. I caught you in a fucking lie.In post 79, Pine wrote:
OH well spotted. I can choose to let 1SVT go as having made a joke in poor taste, but this blatant cogdis needs rope.nn30 wrote:
I could forgive post 50 as being an RVS (which I very clearly think it is).In post 70, Joshz wrote:See? Still not out of RVS. Stop bitching about him voting no lynch, that's not scum indicative it's newbie indicative. Not newbie townie, just newbie. That post you quoted, Pine, is a clear joke, and trying to build a serious argument around it is awful. And you can't make an argument against no lynch in Mylo because sometimes it's a good idea and sometimes it's not, that's a game specific situation, there's no blanket answer.
So real vote: VOTE: pine
That said you basically took my reasoning as the gospel in post 70. Not even a question of my motivations - you just use it to attempt to skewer Pine.
Vote joshz
Keep up this kind of analytical thinking, nn30, and I think we'll get along just fine.
VOTE: Pine
@town
Look through pine's post you can see hints of pine being aware of his own image and trying to portray himself a certain way. When accused of legit criticism as well he verbally bashes the person voting him. He never has once attacked the case.
His reasoning for day 2 are basically redundant scumtells thanking the vig is common practice on other sites and the votes tell is pretty shit because not only have I seen town only lynches on town before but Scum have grown aware of this because it's common knowledge it's become worthless. None of these tells actually put into details TB Cases or motivations.In post 211, Pine wrote:Ugh, this game.
Moving on. I'm inclined to look at the latter part of Josh's wagon to try and identify opportunistic scum smelling blood in the water and going for the kill. Looking at the votes, that suggests to me {Drealmerz, ThinkBig, and LUV}, the 4th, 5th, and 6th votes on him, respectively. The merit of this approach is immediately evident, as Drealmerz scummed right onto the wagon. Regrettably, I spotted that a little too late D1 to save Josh. Fortunately, Vig/SK saw it too and we don't have to spend a lynch on him. That leaves me to look at ThinkBig and LUV. Of the two, LUV seems to not really grok what's going on in this game, and it comes off as a bit unfeigned. I'm inclined to think the sheep onto the Josh wagon was a genuine sheep off of a well-presented (albeit incorrect) case.
That leaves ThinkBig. Drealmerz and TB both went for Josh in rapid succession, elevating that wagon from an early exploration and pressure to L-2. It's hardly a wonder that newbieTown panicked, felt ostracized, and suicided.Taken as a whole, TB's behavior strikes me as opportunistic, as does his daystart congratulating the Vig. He's a bit new too, so it's hardly inconceivable that he just wouldn't know that that sort of thing is a common overcompensating behavior of disappointed scum, on par with betting too big on a bluff in order to cover the fact that you've got nothing. Attack on Flubber in 210 fits with this theory, as it serves to suppress or discredit new perspectives before they appear.
Vote ThinkBig
The bolded shows that your case makes TB out to be the villain and josh a poor helpless victim. It's a sentence structure that tug on our heart strings. But like Hitlers speech it's just emotion.
Honestly I don't think scum would leave this
As a reasoning to vote because it's obvious the amount of backlash one would get. He would have to be one of the dumbest scum members to do this and I don't think TB by his other posts is dumb.In post 112, ThinkBig wrote:VOTE: Josh
I'm leaving my vote right here until Josh reads his PM and knows his alignment. I hope he is aware that this could get him restricted.
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It's a game so harden the fuck up and stop whinging every time someone suspects you.In post 476, Pine wrote:Cool. Is this a situation where I can just donate some to the Red Cross every few months so you can take a hit when you need it? Get a life.-
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Then what is the point of this postIn post 492, Shadow_step wrote:Nobody.
There is really no need to bring this up as a town. This is the first post that raised red flags from your slot for me.In post 490, Shadow_step wrote:Anyone who thinks pine is scum at this point I'm very suspicious of because of something very obvious.
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But why mention the whole scummy bit if it was a response to me and you think I'm town?In post 497, Shadow_step wrote:I said that because of your push on Pine.
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Honestly not feeling day 2 I want pine gone and even through shadow latest question was meh think big was townie as fuck in my book.
Flubber is neutral for me and I don't mind if he goes or not because I have trouble figuring him out. But his wagon seems more like a convenience thing since there wasn't any wagons that would contend with thinkbig and people seem to have blown out of proportion.-
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Just want to hear what others have to say. People like Jin and pp who haven't talked much are getting a word in.In post 585, Flubbernugget wrote:Hey garmr
You claimed intent to hammer after I already claimed and I'm still here
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Yeh because lulz what ever and how was dinner . Also your defensive post aren't what I consider pro active as town.In post 589, PenguinPower wrote:Yeah...that's debatable with posts about boners and phone posting. Regardless, it's still a weak answer to flubber.
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And just because I placed intent doesn't mean I have to hammer straight away. I find it odd that your getting worked up over me not hammering. You have earned a place on my scum list.In post 591, PenguinPower wrote:As I said...debatable.
With two competing wagons, and a strong preference for one, I think it's more of an excuse to "intent" and lay wait for an indefinite period just because we have time remaining (3ish days). If you think you have scum, get that flip and let's use that info going forward. If you aren't confident...then why place intent? Seems wishy-washy. You can get content without an intent sitting there.-
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Because I said his null and I find him hard to read and it's near the end of the day and I'm willing to compromise. It's not rocket science.In post 594, nn30 wrote:
This right here is making me want to re-think my town read on you.In post 593, Garmr wrote:And just because I placed intent doesn't mean I have to hammer straight away. I find it odd that your getting worked up over me not hammering. You have earned a place on my scum list.
Why would you declare intent to hammer if he wasn't already on your scum list?
If you want to do a flash wagon on me to save flubbed be my guest.