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Nothing happened. I'm just participating in RVS.
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In post 29, TheseViolentDelights wrote:
Why do you feel the need to participate in RVS?In post 28, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Nothing happened. I'm just participating in RVS.
This is an odd question. Why wouldn't I feel the need to? RVS is a good way to spur the game into action.-
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Ari seemed like he was either reaction testing or being sarcastic. Leaning the latter.
I think TVD is hiding how experienced based on his response to Gamma's 48. He dodges a very simple and straight forward question. Can anyone else find any other logical reason(s) as to why he would answer in such a way? I have a feeling he's an alt and is afraid to give himself away because of the reputation of his old account.
@Ted:TVD's vote doesn't look like pushing to me. He didn't call for anyone to follow him, he just put more of a spotlight on Ari's post by voting.-
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EBWOPIn post 63, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Ari seemed like he was either reaction testing or being sarcastic. Leaning the latter.
I think TVD is hiding how experienced he is based on his response to Gamma's 48. He dodges a very simple and straight forward question. Can anyone else find any other logical reason(s) as to why he would answer in such a way? I have a feeling he's an alt and is afraid to give himself away because of the reputation of his old account.
@Ted:TVD's vote doesn't look like pushing to me. He didn't call for anyone to follow him, he just put more of a spotlight on Ari's post by voting.-
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Feels like it could be. Might give us an understanding of how he or she plays.In post 66, Hiraki wrote:
(maybe it's not important)In post 63, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I have a feeling he's an alt and is afraid to give himself away because of the reputation of his old account.
disclaimer: i honestly know nothing
Why would it be anti-town? You seem to be trying to shutdown a discussion that could potentially help in the long run.In post 67, FrankJaeger wrote:
Yeah, there is no way to prove it.In post 66, Hiraki wrote:
(maybe it's not important)In post 63, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I have a feeling he's an alt and is afraid to give himself away because of the reputation of his old account.
disclaimer: i honestly know nothing
We just have to take his(her?) word for it.
Any actual debate about it is incidentally also anti-town.-
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Never said that it would prove anything, just that it could potentially help in the long run if he or she choose to reveal his/her main account.In post 82, FrankJaeger wrote:
TheIn post 77, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Feels like it could be. Might give us an understanding of how he or she plays.In post 66, Hiraki wrote:
(maybe it's not important)In post 63, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I have a feeling he's an alt and is afraid to give himself away because of the reputation of his old account.
disclaimer: i honestly know nothing
Why would it be anti-town? You seem to be trying to shutdown a discussion that could potentially help in the long run.In post 67, FrankJaeger wrote:
Yeah, there is no way to prove it.In post 66, Hiraki wrote:
(maybe it's not important)In post 63, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I have a feeling he's an alt and is afraid to give himself away because of the reputation of his old account.
disclaimer: i honestly know nothing
We just have to take his(her?) word for it.
Any actual debate about it is incidentally also anti-town.potentialchance of them saying "ok you caught me Im an alt" is slim to none.
Even then, it doesnt prove scum.
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It's cool. Just seemed like you are implying you thought I did.In post 86, FrankJaeger wrote:
Ok.In post 84, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Never said that it would prove anything, just that it could potentially help in the long run if he or she choose to reveal his/her main account.In post 82, FrankJaeger wrote:
TheIn post 77, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Feels like it could be. Might give us an understanding of how he or she plays.In post 66, Hiraki wrote:
(maybe it's not important)In post 63, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I have a feeling he's an alt and is afraid to give himself away because of the reputation of his old account.
disclaimer: i honestly know nothing
Why would it be anti-town? You seem to be trying to shutdown a discussion that could potentially help in the long run.In post 67, FrankJaeger wrote:
Yeah, there is no way to prove it.In post 66, Hiraki wrote:
(maybe it's not important)In post 63, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I have a feeling he's an alt and is afraid to give himself away because of the reputation of his old account.
disclaimer: i honestly know nothing
We just have to take his(her?) word for it.
Any actual debate about it is incidentally also anti-town.potentialchance of them saying "ok you caught me Im an alt" is slim to none.
Even then, it doesnt prove scum.
What else are you expecting out of discussing this?
I never said you said that.
I'm thinking that my reply made it obvious I read your post. why repeat yourself?
Sorry Im feeling petty-
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I guess my main thing with how this started was how it was labeled as a push rather than bringing something into the spotlight. I can see newb town doing the latter or even a player who's not familiar with MS meta which is why I'm curious as to whether TVD is an alt or not as well as his or her experience.
Looking forward to his/her response as well as everyone who hasn't chimed in yet but I have a feeling that TVD might be the most optimal play for today. Especially since I've been a little suspicious ever since he/she asked such an odd question regarding RVS.-
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@Hiraki:I'm curious as what else you or Ted want me to talk about while we are waiting for 4 replacements.
What's wrong with being suspicious of a question?
Don't get your last point. Especially after I said how I'm looking forward to others thoughts on the matter. If I was opportunistic like you seem to be implying, I would have voted for TVD already.-
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@Hiraki:I'm not entirely sure what's the problem. I was simply just trying to get a better understanding of TVD's play since I assumed he was an alt. You still aren't suggesting other topics to talk about by the way.
I could see scum easily asking that question in attempt to look like they're trying to understand thought processes and motive.
And no I can't, but I may be able to get a better idea and that's the big picture. You seem to be missing that and I'm not sure why.
@TVD:I felt it can and I still think it can. It's okay if you disagree.
I didn't call you newb town. I was saying the way you put Ari's RVS post into the spotlight is something I could see newb town doing. I also said youmightbe the most optimal play for today. Key word is might there. As in, when Day 1 is close to being all said and done, if you're a lynch candidate, you would have the strongest chance of flipping scum.
Could you describe in a little more detail how me interpreting "reeks of opportunity" as someone trying to say I'm opportunistic throwing shade?
I didn't really think you were pushing for a lynch because you didn't really advocate for anyone to sheep you. You just stated a case I found very week and now it looks like you're currently trying to sort Ari.
I'm not scum reading anyone at the moment. I can see how you think I was though. I find your vote on Ari NAI.-
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Mind explaining your town reads?In post 102, TheseViolentDelights wrote:People who are town: FrankJaeger, Hiraki, Twoface, and probably TwiszTed.
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EBWOPIn post 109, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:@Hiraki:I'm not entirely sure what's the problem. I was simply just trying to get a better understanding of TVD's play since I assumed he was an alt. You still aren't suggesting other topics to talk about by the way.
I could see scum easily asking that question in attempt to look like they're trying to understand thought processes and motive.
And no I can't, but I may be able to get a better idea and that's the big picture. You seem to be missing that and I'm not sure why.
@TVD:I felt it can and I still think it can. It's okay if you disagree.
I didn't call you newb town. I was saying the way you put Ari's RVS post into the spotlight is something I could see newb town doing. I also said youmightbe the most optimal play for today. Key word is might there. As in, when Day 1 is close to being all said and done, if you're a lynch candidate, you would have the strongest chance of flipping scum.
Could you describe in a little more detail how me interpreting "reeks of opportunity" as someone trying to say I'm opportunistic throwing shade?
I didn't really think you were pushing for a lynch because you didn't really advocate for anyone to sheep you. You just stated a case I found very weak and now it looks like you're currently trying to sort Ari.
I'm not scum reading anyone at the moment. I can see how you thought I was though. I find your vote on Ari NAI.-
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@TVD:Well nothing, you didn't bother to link your homesite. All I can do now is speculate that bringing attention to soft claims is the norm where you come from.
I can see it coming from newb town because in my experience, the majority of new players don't understand the risk of putting attention onto soft claims. You seemed to didn't understand that risk with your vote based on how quickly you jumped on Ari's post.
I don't have any other reason at the moment to believe you'll flip scum other than your question about RVS. I was just explaining what I meant by optimal play.
I wasn't calling you scum. Reread my explantation on what I meant on optimal play.
We are at Page 5. I started talking about this on page 3.
I'm playing my game as well as interacting with you and others about the big events that have taken place so far.
Now as far as your reads, I do agree with you on Ted despite my dislike of his vote on you. He seems to be all about business and I think he's doing that in his own way here based on his interactions on Gamma.
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@Eric:Activity is not indicative of alignment. What's off about my analysis?
It seemed like you were scum reading Ted in 125 but apparently you weren't since you said he's starting to sound scummy in 130. This makes me think you're faking the rest of your reads. Especially due to your 140.
Explaining your reads gives the town an understanding of what you're thinking and will help players decide if they want to follow you or not. Why does it appear like you're denying the town this information? How does not helping others see what you're seeing a town mindset? If the rest of your reads are gut, you can at least point us to what's giving you that feeling.
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Yes, but there is no logical reason for you to do so right now.In post 154, Eric Rasputin wrote:
So does that mean I can? Its just a question thoughIn post 152, TwiszTed wrote:
Please don't.In post 150, Eric Rasputin wrote:Question: Can we role claim ?-
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Hiraki:No, I haven't been reading your past games due to my lack of free time and the fact that I don't believe I'll have a ton of trouble reading of you.
I'm voting for Eric because he's implying my activity is indicative of my alignment and I don't believe his reads on Gamma and Ted are real due to how he seems unwilling to share how he came to town read them. I'm not trying to get anyone to think the way I think, I'm just trying to understand how he got his other reads.-
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Please reread. That is not what I said.In post 218, Aristophanes wrote:
"You're probably newbtown, but you have the highest chance of flipping scum."In post 109, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I didn't call you newb town. I was saying the way you put Ari's RVS post into the spotlight is something I could see newb town doing. I also said you might be the most optimal play for today. Key word is might there. As in, when Day 1 is close to being all said and done, if you're a lynch candidate, you would have the strongest chance of flipping scum.
WFT IS THIS SHIT!?
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Or I'm glad he can read. Reading is fundamentally my friend.In post 241, Hiraki wrote:
im glad you took someone else's response for your ownIn post 237, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Gamma actually explained what I meant quite well. Not sure how you guys are misunderstanding anything but it happens I guess.-
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EBWOPIn post 242, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Or I'm glad he can read. Reading is fundamental my friend.In post 241, Hiraki wrote:
im glad you took someone else's response for your ownIn post 237, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Gamma actually explained what I meant quite well. Not sure how you guys are misunderstanding anything but it happens I guess.-
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You are. It's not that hard to understand what I meant. I feel you have a issue with how a play. I'm not going to force myself to comment or talk about things that I didn't feel were worthy of a comment. I make notes, revisit often, and keep things moving until I feel I have a real strong read. I don't have any strong reads but I always feel like following the weak reads I do have is better than nothing. Which is exactly what I'm doing.
I also believe I commented on TF and Frank saying that their ISO should read null to most. Frank more so than TF at the moment.
I never asked anyone for reads, I asked people to explain their reads. Please reread.-
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Why is it crap?In post 246, Gamma Emerald wrote:Yeah looking back post 109 is horsecrap.
As for the deal with "newbies aren't scum": in the face to face I play you tap people a certain amount of times to determine their role (mafia, mason vigs, SK, VT). That means it's possible for the mod to do that sort of thing,-
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In post 247, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:You are. It's not that hard to understand what I meant. I feel you have a issue with how a play. I'm not going to force myself to comment or talk about things that I didn't feel were worthy of a comment. I make notes, revisit often, and keep things moving until I feel I have a real strong read. I don't have any strong reads but I always feel like following the weak reads I do have is better than nothing. Which is exactly what I'm doing.
I also believe I commented on TF and Frank saying that their ISO should read null to most. Frank more so than TF at the moment.
I never asked anyone for reads, I asked people to explain their reads. Please reread.@Hiraki-
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LOL.In post 250, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Previously you had stated TVD "might be the optimal play", indicating you scumread them.In post 248, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Why is it crap?In post 246, Gamma Emerald wrote:Yeah looking back post 109 is horsecrap.
As for the deal with "newbies aren't scum": in the face to face I play you tap people a certain amount of times to determine their role (mafia, mason vigs, SK, VT). That means it's possible for the mod to do that sort of thing,
Again, I'm said might be the most optimal play as in when we as a collective decide the day needs to end and we have more than one lynch candidate or he is the only candidate, it might be optimal to lynch him because he would have a good chance of flipping scum.
This is true for basically everyone else from my point of view correct? As in, if say you or Ted end up being a lynch candidate by the end of Day 1, it might be optimal to lynch Ted over you. Or vice-versa.-
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EBWOPIn post 251, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
LOL.In post 250, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Previously you had stated TVD "might be the optimal play", indicating you scumread them.In post 248, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Why is it crap?In post 246, Gamma Emerald wrote:Yeah looking back post 109 is horsecrap.
As for the deal with "newbies aren't scum": in the face to face I play you tap people a certain amount of times to determine their role (mafia, mason vigs, SK, VT). That means it's possible for the mod to do that sort of thing,
Again, I said might be the most optimal play as in when we as a collective decide the day needs to end and we have more than one lynch candidate or he is the only candidate, it might be optimal to lynch him because he would have a good chance of flipping scum.
This is true for basically everyone else from my point of view correct? As in, if say you or Ted end up being a lynch candidate by the end of Day 1, it might be optimal to lynch Ted over you. Or vice-versa.-
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Well yeah, I don't like his reasoning for not wanting explain his reads. I also don't believe they're real.
Just noticed you are voting for Misa, how are you feeling about her now? I think her jump on Eric for wanting to the day to end is a little suspect but I think she has good intentions with her vote. No reason to rush the day when there is still a lot of it left and we are waiting for a replacement. I also think she might be on to something about Eric in regards to his experience. He has this sort I don't care how I look or what you think of me attitude going on so I don't see why he would try to lie about how long he's been playing forum mafia.-
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EBWOPIn post 268, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Yeah that was odd. A part me thinks she doesn't feel like she will get along with many of the players here but that's just based on my last game with her.-
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Creeps, filler is NAI. Please unvote.In post 288, Creeps20 wrote:
UNVOTE: EricIn post 277, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Mafiascum is life.
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Useless posts. Constantly. I really haven't seen much content-
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I don't blame Gamma for wanting me to out my partner because I don't think anyone was going to believe me if I didn't. As for Creeps, from my experience, he's like this and is going to most likely be a difficult read. We'll see what he brings to the table Day 2.
I'm not sure what is it about this game but I'm having more trouble than usual with reads. I liked what I've seen from Deer outside of his Ari town reading. Other than the scolding of why it wasn't wise for how the mason thing went down, I don't really have a reason to TR Ari. I was liking the questions Fitz was asking but scum reading people for voting me when they didn't know I was a mason is dumb but that's not enough for me to cast my vote there. TF seems to be being his usual self, although he did seem a little protective than need be of Eric early on when it came to his play style. Frank and TVD need to post more.
Honestly I feel Hiraki is scum. I've been going back and forth as to whether he was just blindly tunneling or not but I can't help but feel he's the reason we are at right now. The game literally turned into about me once he stated why he voted for me and all he's done really is dismiss reasons for why people are scum reading Eric.
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Hiraki:Not really, just reread your ISO and it looks like you're kind of soft defending him and giving him advice. I'm still seeing you dismiss any and all suspicion on him because you think he's lying about his experience. You're not taking into account that even if he is, it does not clear him. Outside of activity, can you explain his lack of scumhunting and why he has shown no signs of willing to do so?
I'm struggling see any reason for town to lie about how experienced they're at this game. There is no motivation to do so as town and I believe him when he says he's been playing mafia for a couple of years on another site. Very rarely do we get new members who have no prior experience.
Also took another look at his 161 and not only is it a terrible excuse, it's very manipulative.
As for Deer, I'm not seeing the case for him. I like a lot of the questions he asked and observations he made in his catch-up posts. Only thing that gave me pause is his Creeps SR but that's not really his fault since this is his first time playing with him and he doesn't know his meta. His argument with TF is also probably because he's never played with TF before as well.
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Sorry, been less active due to being pissed about having to claim over something that was relatively easy to understand. Thought Hiraki would be lynched by now.
Something about Ari's reactions and interactions with Creeps or anything Creeps related reads very fake to me. Mainly his 494 and his 507.
Creeps as already stated, is playing poorly and looks like he isn't willing to put the effort in at all. There is no motivation for his play for either alignment and if he's playing the too scummy to be scum card we can always lynch him any Day 2 or 3. We can afford to make a few mistakes, so I rather gamble on one of the other widely scum read players, especially considering myself and Misa are basically confirmed.
Fitz reads like he truly believes what he's saying but I don't like that he won't point to what is giving him these gut reads on Hiraki and TVD. He's using TF's comments soft defending Eric to justify not having to answer questions but fails to realize those same comments were about explaining reads early on in the day phase. It's late into Day 1, no excuse. That being said it's looking like Fitz won't get lynched today and we are running out of time.-
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@Fitz:I knew you were town reading Hiraki and TVD, the problem was that you weren't explaining what was giving you those reads and the reason you gave for choosing not to didn't make sense considering what part of Day 1 it is. This new reasoning doesn't make sense either. You have two basically confirmed masons, wanting to know how you came to your gut reads to determine if they're genuine and not fake yet you insist on being vauge and making yourself even harder to read. I don't see the motivation to do that as town. I understand you want to find scum, but town hunting can be just as effective as scum hunting and building a town block right now could help with the efforts.
@TF:Well, we might, but with three potential replacements coming in and Frank catching up at a turtle's pace, I just don't see it.-
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Except he's done none of that. All he's done is tunnel and try to enforce his theories about mafia on others.In post 812, Aristophanes wrote:
He's doing a bang up job at actually scumhunting this game, conversing, and seems genuinely to be trying to win as town. He's probably become my biggest townread.In post 806, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:@Ari: Why is Math town?-
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I just did. It be fine if I saw the latter and saw scum hunting too but I'm not.In post 816, Vedith wrote:You assume he's wrong here btw, can you explain why?-
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Missed this. A lot of your posts feel fake and all of you're votes are just really bad or blind sheeping.In post 810, Aristophanes wrote:
Why!?In post 806, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Did a quick skim and ISO, my vote is still where it needs to be. Willing to compromise on Ari.-
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Sorry for the lack of activity. Disinterest and life reared their ugly heads again but I'm going to start seriously playing this game now.
Fitz had me fooled for a little while to be honest when I finally got him to explain those gut reads. I was satisfied with the reasons he gave for those reads but I kept overlooking how much he's ignored those two slots.
I share the same stance on claimed PRs Day 1 as TF does so it would be very hypocritical for me to scum read for that him but, it was very odd there the end of Day 1 where he just adamantly refused to lynch Fitz after how hard he pushed him. I understand people have beliefs and all but it's a little concerning how easy TF was willing to give up that lynch. Might be scum who tried a last effort attempt to hop off of a buddy.
Not really feeling Josh at all. He hasn't done anything at all that makes me want to TR him and he's only brought the suspicions I had about that slot back and this time, they're a lot more intense. I'm not sensing effort at all in any of the scum reads he shares or the cases he presents. I also think he's playing up his play style a bit in order to justify how's he playing in order to coast.
I saw some talk about Gamma forcing me to claim and I want to state again that I don't think he should be SR for this. I had no choice to claim at the time and part of this is why I've been scum reading Hiraki.
Ari continues to filler with a bit of maifia theory and sheeping. Frank continues to prod dodge and not commit to fully catching up.
The problem I'm having with a lot of these reads is that most of them are based on effort and that's NAI. A part of me feels Frank is too easy and a part of me reads him as a player who would not savagely prod dodge as scum like he's been doing.-
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Yeah I strongly disagree with his read on you Josh. A little bit on Ari as well.
Definitely agree with him on TF, I just threw that observation out there just because you'd be surprised and it's not out of the realm possibility technically. TF response though is typical TF and reads town. I liked Deer's content but I think he's going to get replaced soon so it'll probably go back to null for me.
If I had to give reads list:
Town: Creeps, Gamma, TF
Null: Deer, Vedith
Null Scum: Ari, Frank
Scum: Josh, Hiraki
Looking now I don't think are reads are that different where it should be an issue. Nice town block we have honestly if Gamma and TF are town.-
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