Open 54 - Basic 12 Player (over) before 529

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Vote: Andy

because I know him from my last game.

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Unvote; Vote appleof88

His change of vote to IH with the explanation "I like IH's cartoon"... just felt wrong. If he'd said "Shameless bandwagoning", for example, that would at least have sounded honest.

I thought all that banter between Patrick and Glork was a continuation of some running joke between them and didn't say a single thing about the alignment of either one.

Please elaborate on "felt wrong".

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Comments ripley?

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FoS: ripley

Calm down there before you make yourself look like overeacting scum. Wait, you already did?

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I am metagaming here but judging from my last game with andy, he's a tough one so no comment on him now. It will take a lot of reading and am a bit lazy now. Plus I prefer to keep pressure on ripley. Anyone care to join?

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I didn't see any traces of panic in his reaction. Only in its sheer amount. Otherwise, I would have opted for a vote over finger. I feel more pressure may reveal more?

Now that votes against andy is piling up, I should get reading...

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I still can't get a read on andy.

But reading back, I noticed a few things...

Has sika contributed anything worthwhile besides acting as the village idiot?

54 and 72 is interesting. So is 77.

Lastly, I am not going to pick apart ripley...at least not yet. But I am amazed you find his posts typical pat. And why so much interest in my pressure on him?

Unvote. Vote: ripley

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Compare your posts against his? 74 and 78.

I do notice you like to comment on eveything. Perhaps something regarding ripley after you make the above comparison? But wait until he responds first?

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I guess it's a matter of play style. Ripley exercised fairly considerable effort in fighting my accusation and now he's finally fed up with my probes. I wonder what he would do if half of the people were on his case...

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Logic is overated in hunting scum.

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i think i'd better read the forum first

It's one thing if you are not playing but at least don't admit it publicly?

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Wank overestimates his abilities. = )

Oman voted me out of hate. He wasn't even playing the game.

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Wank, what are you talking about?

First of all look at the rules.
Second of all you overestimate your own abilities.

What are YOU talking about?

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IH told me to.

Pretty sure he didn't. Do you frequently follow other people's votes without reason?

Yes.

Do you have a reason for that?

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My abilities of what? To wank? Or to hunt scum. But that still doesn't mean anything. What's your point? That's one bizarre and random comment.

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I find it odd that you seemed to imply that he's protown and just not acting well. It's like you're trying to coach/baby him into contributing, assuming that he's having a hard time as town, rather than thinking he may be lazyscum.

Er, not really. What I said to him applies whether he's town or scum. (If he's scum he's still not contributing, still being lazy, still needs to commit to something etc.) Typically when I kick someone I don't do it from the point of view of them being scum, unless I have a good reason to think they are. Most usually, I throw a few suggestions too.

I agree with pat. You are reading too much into it glork.

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And your attitude and helpfulness have dropped.

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Unvote

Why are you unvoting IH without revoting, in response to something Patrick said?

I like to know as well.

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My pressure on rip never gained momentum. (IH did make random comments that he said he will address.) The andy wagon is falling apart. Who to pick on next?

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@glork: I can't tell who's scum at this point....I find everyone townie but...perhaps ih or sika has a sprinkle of scumness. IH for his possibly random comment which I think was a direct metagame post for the other game I am in now except he is being ridiculously vague about it when I asked. Sika for being a village idiot. I am of the opinion that a bad townie is as bad as scum if not worse. I also feel glork and pat is playing...too much. A lot of exchanges between them and in general. None of the above warrants enough for a vote so...this is going to be a long day.

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Which do you generally find scummier: Somebody who is somewhat inflammatory and contributes weakly to discussion, or somebody who posts without adding anything to the discussion?

I think it's contradictory to label one inflammatory and contributing weakly. Instigating people can provide an angle not otherwise obtained.

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I also feel glork and pat is playing...too much. A lot of exchanges between them and in general.

What does this mean? Why do you find it scummy that we're contributing alot?

I am getting sick of people putting words in my mouth. Now that is scummy.

At best, you can say I implied you were scummy. But that's at best. I mentioned it in passing. After suggesting ih and sika. To your defense, maybe I should have mentioned it below my last sentence.

This should be kept secret but I am of the opinion that those who post too too much is scummy.

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Which do you generally find scummier: Somebody who is somewhat inflammatory and contributes weakly to discussion, or somebody who posts without adding anything to the discussion?

I think it's contradictory to label one inflammatory and contributing weakly. Instigating people can provide an angle not otherwise obtained.

That's not true at all. Somebody who is busy lashing out with insults instead of providing meaningful discussion is the kind of person I'm talking about.

I don't think anyone is busy lashing out insults. Or anyone ever will. That's rather extreme. A rather forward and impolite comment is good in my book. I already revealed one secret above so allow me to keep this to myself.

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I value semantics. The devil is in the details no? Let's take a quick lesson. Where did I say that "posting too much is scummy"? As to the reasoning, think about it. And when I say it, I mean guilt.

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The egotistical prick will refrain from further comments at the moment.

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Where did I say that "posting too much is scummy"?

This should be kept secret but I am of the opinion that those who post too too much is scummy.

How else am I supposed to intepret the second quote? It would be great if you could stop being pedantic and give straight answers so we don't have to keep going back and forth.

Comment on the following two sentences please:
I am 100% townie.
I am a townie.
Anyone is welcome, not just pat.

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That said, Crub, what do you think of wank's behaviour around the Andy wagon?

He acknowledged it but didn't find any merit in it and kept up his tunnel vision on ripley. Methinks there is a past history between them.

I played my last game with andy. Like most of you, he's read up on mafia theory and has a good number of games under his belt. As such, he demonstrated his ability to act like a townie on day one in our game. In other words, I can't read his alignment on day one or at least, I find it hard to do so. Incidently, this is the reason why I find it silly to study so much mafia theory. To hunt scum successfully, one should employee an original approach. For better or worse, at least it's fun.

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Very interesting. Not what I expected at all. But it is consistent with your character. Anyone else like to comment?

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I will answer it when I feel the time is ripe. Speaking of which, you still have to explain yourself or are you biding your time as well?

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I feel this is insulting of me to say but when was the last time a cop put up a sign reading radar check in half mile so they may catch speeders? Let's all loudly pronounce our guidelines for scumminess!! Why don't we just call it a game and let scum win. I already have anticipated the onslaught of questions to this comment but save your breath.

It's a shame and somewhat funny that no one else wanted to comment on my question, then again only a few replied to glork's question. And no one else picked up on his other post. Anyways, I thought it was pretty straightforward in answering his question in a not so straighforward way. Chew on it.

I am done talking for a while.

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The antecedent for that last "his" is pat. I am tired. Peace.

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On account of the deadline,

unvote

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I can see myself overestimating others in a newbie game but here? Maybe I should not play anymore. Oh well.

Semantics is extremely important in any text based game. And some things are not open to intepretation. That's to say, there are correct intepretations. For all the logic loving folks here, no one picked up on it. Townie serves as an adjective and a noun. Saying one is townie does not a townie make., e.g.

I am 100% girlish.
I am a girl.

Same thing? Hardly.

Ripley has accurately pointed out that this game has been rather slow at the time of his posting. That said, glork and pat were rather active during that time hence my comment. Which was falsely intepreted by pat? due to my use of too too much which he somehow chopped down to too much. As logic lovers or so most of you proclaim to be, would one leave off a sum in calculating average? I hope not. So why drop words...unless it serves a scummy (pun intended) purpose? But I am overestimating the play here. In short, feel free to ignore all my posts thus far.

And it's funny how no one mentioned 197 and 198.

And past performance means little going forward, whoever made that comment with the caveat that the players here may be stagnant enough for it to work.

Any other questions? And Happy Thanksgiving.

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Moronic? How laughable. If I were scum and forced to claim, by saying I was 100% townie, I would have fooled all of you. Now I am turning into a logic tool like the rest of you so I should shut up before it's too late.

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I do not mean any offense in say this but if you do not want to think too much about it, then why bother playing? Then again, our idea of fun differs. To answer your question, refer to my last post. Please humor me and read my posts eh?

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I am probably a post away from replacing myself. You guys are doing essentially what Oman did in my last game and it's really stupid. But I can't change anyone but myself. It's rather sad that an intelligent community here can be so...unintelligent.

I want a sentence on the votes for me. (Don't post a novel.)

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I am probably a post away from replacing myself. You guys are doing essentially what Oman did in my last game and it's really stupid.

Which is... what, exactly? Disagreeing with you?

And voting me on that basis? Me thinks you scum?

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I do not feel that this debate has directly helped either you or Patrick find a scumbag.

Why is that everything one does must be done for the sole purpose of hunting scum?

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Actually I'm going to be a bit arbitrary and

unvote

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wank

and

vote

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Patrick

'cos that post makes me feel all queasy.

What?

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My 2 cents, I've never played with wank-scum, but this play is consistent with wank-town.

Feh. But he's so

unhelpful

to playing mafia. :/

Unvote

What's helpful? Why did you unvote?

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That's a fairly bold decision to make based on a mere belief of another's alignment. I was hoping for a more original reason for lack of a better word.

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I can assure you have I have the comical talents of a brick. Sometimes, I find it easier to identify the scum nots than scum.

You prefaced with your vote with the word arbitray amid a forest of reasoning and I am afraid your reference to said post is ambigious. Please clarify.

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Helpful is listing everyone's alignment? I can play that game.

I am of the opinion that everyone is a townie as there is no evidence to suggest the contrary.

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My vote was a random vote to pressure rip. It picked up little steam and hence my unvote.

Elmo, why am I an easy lynch?

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How is my playstyle less than pro town?

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Wait, you are not elmo.

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First of all, you just dislike that I mildly insulted you, and second of all I wasn't talking about that game, since first of all you did nail one of the scums, but not the other. I just disliked your attitude from both games, and decided to try and do something about it.

Besides, even if I was, why would that be scummy, and not just playing around?



Why can't you mix the two? Silly Wank.

This is a senseless argument. I've had it before with Jathan aka ShadowLurker of all people a LONG time ago. We ended up both being wrong, but I digress. Answer the question, divulging why something is scummy is when you say why you think it's scummy.

If not, then you were obviously just trying to make the person look bad and don't have a reason why posting too much is scummy. Just trying to make a productive player look scummy, without comitting.



Semantics have very little to do with finding scum, usually they get a townie lynched while keeping the town confused. See Open 20 for more info. = )


You would have fooled us by thinking you WEREN'T lying, but we would have assumed you claimed townie, and that does nothing. Now we'd lynch you. Shut up.


I will testify you aren't playing at all like you did in your last game. You actually made an attempt to find scum. Here you're just arguing semantics. Pointless ones at that. You're attempting to make the game alot more complicated. Town wins when things get simpler, not complicated.

Sometimes they try harder but I guess not all scums are created equal.

Vote: ih

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No I'm not Elmo but I agree that you could be seen as an easy lynch.

How often do you find yourself under lynch pressure on day 1 when you're town? I assume it's fairly often.

That could be an indicator that your play-style needs improving

You imply getting lynched on day 1 is a bad thing. Why?

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I really have no idea if wank is scum, but I don't feel good about lynching anyone else. Sorry.

Unvote

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Patrick

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vote

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wank

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If I remember correctly, you vote based on mere opinions of aother and now you vote when you "really have no idea". Good thing we are not voting for the president here.

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I always demand the reason for my lynch. Or is that not considered information? I am setting myself up as bait and no one wants to take advantage of it. You guys are soooo boring.

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Why are we lynching jd again?

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Mostly because he's probably scum.

Thanks. Why?

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Can we have a vote count please? I like to check something.

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Um, andy, I like a reason from you.

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Yes, andy.

Another hello kitty fan ^_^

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I want to vote andy.

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I don't know if I really want to.

Good question crub. I have to look into it.

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Fighting words!

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I want to vote andy.

I don't know if I really want to.

What's the use of these posts?

And exactly why you want to vote me?

I think you are scum but not sure enough.

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Vote: sika

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You guys take this way too seriously. I am happy with my vote.

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That's really sad if the theory proves accurate.

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Considering the last genius that pull the above shenanigan turned up townie, I will hold my vote. Why isn't anyone else voting sika?

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unvote. vote: andy

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Wow IH is the worst cop ever.

Congrats to scum.