Mini Normal 1844 Firework Mafia. Game Over

[JaeReed]

Fine; I tracked you. You visited me.

Chances are I was gonna be the nightkill, so either you're scum or doc. This information is utterly useless to you either way, though, and I'm pretty sure now we have to massclaim.

As you know, I have my ramblings to myself as I'm trying to sort things out so... during the night I read up the first 15 pages trying to see what I could find, notes for it in the spoiler, along with musings.

Spoiler: notes

36 transcend is town
41 does this mean anything? probably not partners? would cloud interact so freely with smith?
118 transcend is town
133 io might be a partner potential
139 transcend owes someone a kidney
142 luv needs a pic of transcend's face to put on a billboard
151 io prob not scum w/ cloud maybe?
159 lololol
162 & 165 smith is comin through with decent points against cloud, going against the grain of the tr's for him - I don't *think* this is a bus but it's smith so i'm wary
173 is interesting following smith's shade on cloud
196 & 199 transcend should know that's null for impo so far - i don't like this. somewhat rectified in 204.
212 transcend calls for cloud to lynch luv
297 interesting with 212 if rb flips scum
327 as of here rb has so far done nothing of note and fluffed like fucking mad while doing null as fuck interactions with cloud. would lynch.
340 rb!scum = vw!town (I mean vw already town due to cloud but more proof)
365 just doesn't read as talking about a partner

I'm still slightly paranoid of transcend but I'd feel really unbelievably stupid post game if I tracked a VT transcend here over one of the scummier suspects. Plus Cloud has thrown a lot of shade on Transcend that SHOULD point to him being town.
There's no point in tracking smith. Hopefully he knows better than to visit me if he has claimed his real role since I'm most likely dead tonight.
rb looks to be the next lynch tomorrow so I'm not sure. Either he'll submit the kill because of that, or he'll avoid doing it in order to avoid confscumming himself. If he's scum, that is.

Not like it should matter. The only sensible move for scum here is to nk me I think. I'd bet on there not being a doctor if everyone who outed is town and telling the truth about their roles. 3 investigatives and what looks like a 3 shot neighborizer would be too much with a protective.
That said, I'm not sure I believe Io is anything more than a 2 shot neighborizer, and I'm not sure I believe both Io and smith are town. But it doesn't matter because hopefully I'll be dead anyway and won't have to sort them

Obviously I was proven wrong on Io not having more than 2 shots...and about me being dead. But I'm pretty sure scum chose me for the nightkill, since it doesn't make sense for them to have not done so.

[JaeReed]

Ok, first... Why did you choose me to protect? Do you know who rb was on the previous nights?

[JaeReed]

Why was your priority on replace in to read rb's ISO?

[JaeReed]

K. If you've read his ISO and skimmed mine then you should have some kind of reads already?

[JaeReed]

@Titus We haven't had too many VC's. Have you checked out the lynch wagons yet?

[JaeReed]

Ok, I'm too lazy to do up full counts but I went through to D3 paying attention to the votes on the lynch wagons.

Lil Uzi Vert lynch, flipped VT (7 to lynch)
Transcend - 120, 173, 204, 432
Smith - 214
Jae - 226 (I voted Transcend to try to get the puppy pics back at some stage then revoted. Other than that joke vote I didn't move off vert D1, so I didn't bother putting my revote post here)
Hermie - 542
Impoetic - 561
Io - 604
Gerryoat - 730 (accidental hammer from carelessness and lack of VCs I think)

Gerryoat nightkilled, flipped VT (his ISO is short if you feel like reading it)

Burgerking lynch, flipped VT (6 to lynch)
Transcend - 848, 1111, 1129
Hermie - 1057, 1138
Smith - 1084
VWXYZ - 1154
Io - 1164
Burgerking - 1166 (selfhammer)

CCC nightkilled (heavily softed gs, was mostly in walling shitfights with me all day)

Day 3 starts 1187 (page 48)

I don't think Burgerking or Uzi had particularly long ISOs either so might be worth reading those.

Some of these votes could be emphasis votes, particularly one of Transcend's. I noted at one point that I didn't think he'd changed his vote in between voting the person again, but thought I'd note it down anyway.

[JaeReed]

Jesus Transcend I was about to ream you for the sub-optimal visit but being doc makes more sense.

[JaeReed]

*SMITH NOT TRANSCEND LOL I gotta stop reading while typing.

[JaeReed]

Yeah no I believe you. I was wondering why that timing with the visitor claim, and the way you reacted to me speccing about you being a doc in thread supports the claim.

Plus there's the incoming quotes which prove Titus is not likely actually the doc.

[JaeReed]

I wonder if fakeclaiming VT as town doc is something anyone has ever done before? ROFL.

Sorry I know it's bad for town but that's so shit I have to laugh.

At least my read on Cloud being a potato, albeit a town potato, is now proven correct.

Never go full potato Cloud.

This doesn't look like a slot that is the real Town Doctor with Cloud's fakeclaim.

[JaeReed]

Wait why the hell did YOU believe Cloud was a doc? O.o

[JaeReed]

Jae - Town Tracker
Io - Town Neighborizer
Smith - Town Odd-Night Weak Doctor
Transcend - Vanilla Townie
Hermie - "Vanilla Townie"
VWXYZ - Vanilla Townie
Impoetic - Vanilla Townie? (check your role pm Impo, I don't trust myself to read your role by play after I realized you frequently forget your role)
Titus - "Town Doctor"

That's about right isn't it?

[JaeReed]

Also, yeah, sorry Titus <3

[JaeReed]

Titus like 90% wolf here tho I think.

Given a few things...

1) Her predecessor's interactions with Cloud
2) Her predecessor's non-reaction to Cloud's doctor claim
3) The fact that her apparent first priority upon replace in was to ISO her predecessor to try and work out who to protect (I'll be blunt here; I don't think Titus would do this as town, because it's akin to trusting someone else's judgement over her own. I don't think she operates that way).
4) She said she liked me and skimmed my ISO to see the claim. I have 2 pages in my ISO, and a lot of it is petty fights with Io, CCC, and Smith, and earlier on, it was coasting the everliving fuck out of this game and sheeping like mad. Skimming my ISO to see my claim would be pretty impressive for someone who doesn't generally read the thread upon replacing in, for one, since it'd be pretty hard to reach my claim through all the crap going on in it, and then you also have to think about the play that she would have seen in my ISO during it. Considering she has seen my play from a mod perspective (Shadowrun) when I've been town and trying, I really doubt that her conclusion upon skimming my ISO was "this is a good protect". Especially given it's Titus we're talking about.

I don't think she can be anything but scum here. Especially because she took the mentor-like interactions where I'm fairly sure she knows how uncertain I can get, and how easy it is to pocket me.

Spoiler:

now watch her flip town q.q like I can't even begin to explain how bad I will feel if she is town here.

[JaeReed]

@Jaereed I said role, not alignment, and you should know i'm town again because of mechanics here. As in, I forgot I was VT a couple times and had to check my role to make sure i didn't have night actions to submit. Doesn't mean I'd forget if I were in a PT.

Read my post.

It's a claim sheet. I was questioning whether you were just VT or a PR because I know you've forgotten your role in past games.

I did not at any time question your alignment. You are conftown. Stop being so kneejerk defensive over it.

[JaeReed]

I wonder if fakeclaiming VT as town doc is something anyone has ever done before? ROFL.

Sorry I know it's bad for town but that's so shit I have to laugh.

At least my read on Cloud being a potato, albeit a town potato, is now proven correct.

Never go full potato Cloud.

This doesn't look like a slot that is the real Town Doctor with Cloud's fakeclaim.

You are misinterpreting those posts.

He's saying the theory that Cloud is fake claiming Doctor is preposterous. Look at his tone. The entire time, RB thinks we had hit scum because of this trolling.

The posts read fake. My interpretation of that tone is they read fake because Cloud is his buddy, and as such he knows he's not the doc but is trying to make it seem like he doesn't.

You're saying they read fake tonally because he knows Cloud isn't the doc because he is the doc, correct?

[JaeReed]

There is zero reason for the real doctor to CC a hammered man claiming doctor.

I was pretty wasted and depressed last night.

We move on.

VOTE: mhsmith0

He tried to postulate Cloud was the doc JaeReed. You're being hyperconcerned about pocketing that you are not thinking rationally.

Correct, but in saying that, there's no reason for the full doc to say much of anything. Wouldn't you rather keep your head down or make a generic "I hope this is a troll." post as the real doc? There's no reason for him to have made the posts he did, claiming that he reads Cloud as basically a VI, after Cloud claimed his role. I can't see the motivation behind doing it as the doc.

I can, however, see smith thinking Cloud could be the even night side to his own role. Especially with a weak modifier. Setup-wise it'd make sense as a kind of buffer against bad town, at least from his pov.

Not all of my points were about you pocketing me. It concerns me that you've decided to boil it all down to that when I feel there's a lot more to it. While it's true that I am concerned about you having come in all buddy-like, I do think that there's potential for that to have been a genuine doc save kind of buddying. Even then, though, I think you would have a bit more paranoia over my slot with the potential for me to have bussed Cloud because I was in a bad situation, then pulled a no kill gambit knowing any town doc would be on me after that.

I'm not mod confirmed town, yet you're treating me as such. That's directly at odds with how I believe you operate. Unless I'm wrong in believing you do not take anything for a given unless it's mod confirmed. I don't think I'm wrong, though. Your town play would have to have changed drastically from when I first joined the site.

[JaeReed]

Anyway, I feel like it might be optimal to lynch in VT claims here if there's any doubt about Titus' alignment whatsoever, but maybe I'm just spazzing out. I mean, it probably doesn't matter, but...

Btw, I'm pretty sure this is 100% what not to do in this situation. At least lynching in the doc claims gives us 1 for 1, and we don't have to try to sort between them in lylo. I don't believe there could be 2 town docs. Not even with smith's claim being as swingy as it is.

[JaeReed]

Titus like 90% wolf here tho I think.

Given a few things...

1) Her predecessor's interactions with Cloud
2) Her predecessor's non-reaction to Cloud's doctor claim
3) The fact that her apparent first priority upon replace in was to ISO her predecessor to try and work out who to protect (I'll be blunt here; I don't think Titus would do this as town, because it's akin to trusting someone else's judgement over her own. I don't think she operates that way).
4) She said she liked me and skimmed my ISO to see the claim. I have 2 pages in my ISO, and a lot of it is petty fights with Io, CCC, and Smith, and earlier on, it was coasting the everliving fuck out of this game and sheeping like mad. Skimming my ISO to see my claim would be pretty impressive for someone who doesn't generally read the thread upon replacing in, for one, since it'd be pretty hard to reach my claim through all the crap going on in it, and then you also have to think about the play that she would have seen in my ISO during it. Considering she has seen my play from a mod perspective (Shadowrun) when I've been town and trying, I really doubt that her conclusion upon skimming my ISO was "this is a good protect". Especially given it's Titus we're talking about.

I don't think she can be anything but scum here. Especially because she took the mentor-like interactions where I'm fairly sure she knows how uncertain I can get, and how easy it is to pocket me.

Spoiler:

now watch her flip town q.q like I can't even begin to explain how bad I will feel if she is town here.

@Titus you addressed my concern about being pocketed, your predecessor's non-reaction to Cloud's claim, and you interacting with me as though I'm conftown. Can you address my other points here please? Especially 3 & 4.

[JaeReed]

Oh, I love you starting the Titus is good at scum shade.

Your role cannot exist.

Two or three investigatives and a protective while scum can do nothing? Don't think so. That would never pass balance.

You went for more utility in your fakeclaim for the tiebreaker and got busted.

You do realize that I claimed odd night weak visitor D3, AND claimed my target of Jae, right? I await your theory about why I'd do this in advance of a doc claim which (presuming I'm scum fake-claiming) very well might not exist at all.

No, you claimed weak visitor. No odd-night affix.

Impo, I love you, but you need to read the thread. He claimed Odd night when asked about who he was on N2.

[JaeReed]

Btw, I'm weak visitor. That's why I basically knew ccc was town, barring a theoretical role block. Now I need to decide whether to bet the game on jae being town or running an elite scam. Decisions decisions...

Didn't. Odd night.

[JaeReed]

...

I would joke vote you for that but I think we need to be kinda careful with votes still.

[JaeReed]

Fact checking. It will save you being mislynched one day. Or from doing the mislynching.

It's something all town should do, but you need to do it especially, being conftown.

[JaeReed]

Thought I did. My bad.

I looked through the ISO to see where he was right AND wrong. I knew whatever it was, it was true. I had to start somewhere and the truth is good.

I did skim. I had to as doc. As VT, I don't. I cannot randomly submit a protect as doc, when the game stalled waiting on my action. I had to do the best I could.

So what were you looking for in regards to seeing where rb was right and wrong? Just reads? Or a bit of the reasonings too?

So why in your skim did you believe I was a good protect target, and not likely to be fake claiming and bussing? Did you skim anyone else's ISO while you were at it?

[JaeReed]

Predit: actually, fact-checking is what led me to that error.

Ahahaha <3 I should have known.

[JaeReed]

Yes. I can expect people to behave irrationally due to their baggage.

What baggage do you believe could be causing me to behave irrationally here?

[JaeReed]

mhsmith0 claimed a role that overloads town given how little power scum must have. A weak doctor, gs, and tracker with no scum power.
It would never pass review. Scum would be PoEd unless they made perfect kills.

So what do you believe the setup could be?

As it stands, what mhsmith has presented is this:

Scum have:
daytalk
potentially 3 goons?

Town have:
Odd-Night Weak Doctor
Town Tracker
Town Neighborizer
Town 1-Shot Gunsmith

What you're presenting is this:

Scum have:
Daytalk
???
[Not Strongman or Roleblocker]

Town have:
Town Doctor
Town Tracker
Town Neighborizer
Town 1-Shot Gunsmith

The latter isn't any better than the former, I think?

[JaeReed]

While it's possible, I did know you don't really gambit much.

...How did you know that? Mind reader!

Yes. I can expect people to behave irrationally due to their baggage.

What baggage do you believe could be causing me to behave irrationally here?

Overly concerned with pocketing leading you to selectively question me because you fear buddying because you know I like you.

Why do you believe my concern with pocketing is not a reasonable amount?
Why do you believe that's what is causing me to selectively question you over the tracker result and the fact that you're a replacement?
Stop playing to my emotions, damn it

[JaeReed]

Spoiler:

[vote|impoe[/vote] BATTORU BATTORU

VOTE: cloudkicker

sad you rolled scum

Interesting since cloud did indeed roll scum.

Was that a "call me townie I scumread someone" play?

Can we vote the mafia cloudkicker for misspelling and misusing haiku in one go? And for fosing someone fos having 3 exclamation points but not wanting to be fosed for his post with about as much meaning to it as 3 exclamation points?

Here they shitpost scum read a player who later flips scum. Possibly making them and their scum bud look townie for it?

VOTE: burgerking

Naked vote on the leading wagon

VOTE: L.U.V.

i'll be a sheep because my SR was wrong

That scum read was on me. At the time I was happy enough for the good word but what I had posted at that point was pretty much NAI. They were quick to white knight me.

Impoetic:

Can you explain what you meant when you said your "sr was wrong"?

my sr on hermie was wrong based on the recent posts from him


cloud I was literally explaining that I could be wrong on transcend as I ALWAYS DO because I'm NOT A CONFIDENT PLAYER

Preparing for a town flip? Covering their bases?

mmmm yeah I'm gonna end up voting burgerking but preferably not until the VC + his claim which my confirmation bias lens will probably take as scummy no matter what -- like I can't see a scenario in which I don't -- but... should still hapepn.
.
also i feel bad for isping and im gonna iso the guy since there's an actual wagon here

otherwise I might have been wrong on hermie. Hmmmmmm

They voted the low hanging fruit wagon and threw shade at me with out perusing it any farther than that. Why?

please can i be deconfirmed as town

I'll do my best.







My mass quotes utterly suck but I do want people to look at Impoetics iso. I just get a bad vibe from them. I'm not gonna vote them right now because we have been warned to be careful with votes and I want to hear other people's thoughts on this. But I do intend to vote this if a more experienced player or 2 thinks it worth while.

Holy crap this is so scum.

1st: Our RVS phase lasted forever in this game. That was part of RVS shitposting.
2nd: Even you admit we were still in the shitposting phase. Still not much to read into it aside from tone, which many people who know Impo have said her tone was good at that point.
3rd: Whatever. I'm not bothering to go back and fact check on whether that was the leading wagon. Why are naked votes scummy?
4th & 5th: Actually, I believe I was also on the fence about you and decided you were town after that particular batch of posts and Transcend's defense of you. If you're going to call out someone for whiteknighting you? Yeah, that would be Transcend. Also, the 5th one is especially interesting because it's part of an interaction with Cloud that should leave no doubt that she's not a partner with him. Yet you conveniently ignored that.
6th: Maybe because you looked like a prime scumspect?
7th: You can't deconfirm her as town. You just pushed on someone who is pretty much mod confirmed town. CCC gave us his results as clearly as if he'd written in thread "I checked Impoetic as the town gunsmith and found her to not have a gun." and in fact, that is exactly why he died.

[JaeReed]

NO ONE PUSHES ON MY CONFTOWN IMPO >=(

[JaeReed]

Impoetic is cleared by CCC's gunsmith shot. Not sure what to make of that derpclear attempt; obviously scum would 100% know that Impo was cleared (unless we're truly dealing with lol wolves), so if Hermie genuinely didn't know, then it's a legit derpclear. The problem I have is, I'm skeptical Hermie didn't now, given the seeming effort he made to re-read the thread in order to pick out specific Impo quotes.

Pet theory:

A good scum player comes in and starts coaching Hermie.
Something along the lines of "you need to make a push and start interacting more with the thread. ISO someone and point out posts of theirs that you think could be scummy."
Hermie does just that. Doesn't connect the dots as to WHY Impo has been called conftown since D3.

Am I high or is this plausible?

[JaeReed]

Once we get the scum in the doc claims I 100% want Hermie lynched. No questions. Just do it.

[JaeReed]

Does Hermie normally selectively respond? I get the feeling they are dodging commenting on the 1 v 1 but I wanted to try a softer angle as to get them to let their guard down as scum. That's gone now.

Feel free to ISO him. There's not much there I think? His votes on the lynch wagons have always been off too.

[JaeReed]

Spoiler:

Okay so I am trying to catch up. I really am not picking anything up on my gut radar other than burger is spoiling for a fight and everyone claims lil Uzi is scum. Transcend seems to be town so I guess VOTE: lil Uzi

Spoiler:

Hey Hermie and rb!

VOTE: gerryoat

You better not be Team Moon!

This game is going to be a pain to reread.

I'm colorblind.

Btw io is mafia and i know for sure because i am a day cop nk-immune miller ascetic mason

Sounds sexy.

I'm colorblind.

Is this in answer to "did you get a red role pm"? Or something else?

Yep, I believe so.

if luv flips town i will donate a kidney to charity

IM THAT SURE HE WILL FLIP SCUM

I'll put a picture of your face on a billboard when I flip town

I have no idea what GT means. Translation?

How old are you Cloud?

How old are you Cloud?

He's 65

Are you Cloud?

How old are you Cloud?

He's 65

Are you Cloud?

He's my father (adopted, of course)

He's a little too old for you to still be answering for him.

Hey Hermie and rb!

VOTE: gerryoat

You better not be Team Moon!

what's team moon is that what the mafia team is called? i genuinely don't see where this is listed if it is.

Yeah I heard that's what they call themselves. Wanna sheep me?

I was just told this game started and then told not to post so guess what I'm gonna do? POST. OBNOXIOUS. ONE-LINERS. REPEATEDLY.

Who told you not to post?

Hey luv, did u read about gargamels towns ?

Nah, I couldn't find it on the wiki so I just assumed you were trolling. Sounds like something out of a cartoon though.

How old are you Cloud?

He's 65

Are you Cloud?

He's my father (adopted, of course)

He's a little too old for you to still be answering for him.

No, no, that's fair. However, since you now realize he's my father you should also realize that you've won $100 million in the secret lottery. To collect you need to give me all of your personal banking information. You can pm me or post it in thread. Don't worry, this will be 100% secure for you.

I'm already rich sir, but thank you for the offer!

Would you sell your soul for the answers? That is the question my friend.

VOTE: Impoetic

I am aware that it looks like a dumbtell and it sort of was in that I realized team moon was probably something else before posting it, but decided to post it anyway.

And you did this because ___?

why not? It was a quirky, fun entrance that somewhat proved my alignment in that I probably wouldn't have come up with such a weird dumbtell as scum, and it got reactions. I don't really know what to think of transcend's reaction, but it did get reactions.

so, tldr: idrc

I also haven't read up yet and am multitasking ATM so excuse the late response.

Why were you so focused on proving your alignment rather than looking for scum?

VOTE: Impoetic

I am aware that it looks like a dumbtell and it sort of was in that I realized team moon was probably something else before posting it, but decided to post it anyway.

And you did this because ___?

why not? It was a quirky, fun entrance that somewhat proved my alignment in that I probably wouldn't have come up with such a weird dumbtell as scum, and it got reactions. I don't really know what to think of transcend's reaction, but it did get reactions.

so, tldr: idrc

I also haven't read up yet and am multitasking ATM so excuse the late response.

Why were you so focused on proving your alignment rather than looking for scum?

Indoor voices fam', indoor voices.

Indoor voices fam', indoor voices.

VOTE: Impoetic

I am aware that it looks like a dumbtell and it sort of was in that I realized team moon was probably something else before posting it, but decided to post it anyway.

And you did this because ___?

why not? It was a quirky, fun entrance that somewhat proved my alignment in that I probably wouldn't have come up with such a weird dumbtell as scum, and it got reactions. I don't really know what to think of transcend's reaction, but it did get reactions.

so, tldr: idrc

I also haven't read up yet and am multitasking ATM so excuse the late response.

Why were you so focused on proving your alignment rather than looking for scum?

I wasn't, I just posted it because i could and that's part of my goal as town. It was a genuine thought I genuinely had, it was mildly amusing and it helped me show I was town, so I posted it despite realizing it was stupid.

Why is it so hard for you to grasp that? This seems like nitpicking rather than genuine confusion. Still multitasking so I can't look closer to verify that theory.

I just don't see a need for you to try show the rest of the town that you're town if you're town.

Your emphasis on genuine worries me as well.

Woah, tounge twister.

Am I tripping right now? Are there two Io's?

Smells like some next level reaction testing

Tuxedo cats for the win.

I don't like his posts and i don't think his progression through the game is genuine.

Have a great day Mr dude that tricked me in wakes role madness.

Opinions! How many of us have them?

Tone feels off too

Pedit: no

Tone would imply we've played together before no?

Tone feels off too

Pedit: no

Tone would imply we've played together before no?

No and i don't use meta when i tone read them

Why wouldn't it? You're basically implying I sound different from normal which doesn't make sense since we don't know each other.

What's the tone of a basic town? What's the definition of a basic town?

I can understand if you said you didn't like my tone or said it made you feel uncomfortable, but you said my tone felt off. Your choice of words my friend.

What's the tone of a basic town? What's the definition of a basic town?

I can understand if you said you didn't like my tone or said it made you feel uncomfortable, but you said my tone felt off. Your choice of words my friend.

It's hard to explain how i tone read people

But it's proven to work each time i do it.

Noted.

I got a couple of reads but I definitely need to check the shelfs again.

Logic and reasoning seem like my thing, at least at the moment.

Yeah I think I'm cool with this for now

(burgerking, CCC, JaeReed, rb)
(Cloudkicker, gerryoat, Hermie, Impoetic, VWXYZ)
(mhsmith0, Transcend)

Oh I forgot Io, probably null for me but have to reread her.

Guess why and I might say.

I liked his questioning of the Transcend scum read me which I had assume was a joke for like the longest time.

Yeah.

This isn't town.

I refuse to believe that you brushed my vote off on you as a joke.

Okay.

And at no point did you suspect it might very well be an easy buddying/pocketing play, or just distancing his reads when he has a teammate on you? Seriously that's incredibly lazy work there.

No I choose not to because I'm not going to psyche myself out and I don't see how questioning a read is buddying.

So you have a lazy town read on ccc for defending you. Are your other town/scum reads similarly lazy, or is there any meat behind the other ones?

How was questioning a read at that point in the game defending me? I was nowhere in danger of being lynched.

And yeah they're lazy, it's Day 1.

Oh look I questioned your scum read of transcend that must make me conf!town in your eyes now

I have not once said the words confirmed and town in the same sentence until now.

So you have a lazy town read on ccc for defending you. Are your other town/scum reads similarly lazy, or is there any meat behind the other ones?

How was questioning a read at that point in the game defending me? I was nowhere in danger of being lynched.

And yeah they're lazy, it's Day 1.

Oh look I questioned your scum read of transcend that must make me conf!town in your eyes now

I have not once said the words confirmed and town in the same sentence until now.

So you have a lazy town read on ccc for defending you. Are your other town/scum reads similarly lazy, or is there any meat behind the other ones?

How was questioning a read at that point in the game defending me? I was nowhere in danger of being lynched.

And yeah they're lazy, it's Day 1.

Do you actually believe in any of the reads you've stated or is it all weak leans backed up by basically air?

You think you need to be near lynch for someone to defend you?

Oh look I questioned your scum read of transcend that must make me conf!town in your eyes now

I have not once said the words confirmed and town in the same sentence until now.

So you nitpick on my wording instead of the actual point about your town reads seeming to be super cheap?

I do, for now. They can always change though.

No, but you're not telling me how is questioning a read defending me. Questioning is expressing doubt, not protecting or shielding one from attacks.

I'm just trying to understand how you're taking my town reads as confirming people as town. I never said CCC is confirmed town, I just gave a tier list. You assumed the rest.

wait why would Uzi be confscum just because he saw CCC as conftown?

Because scum are the only players who can be confident with their reads! Town is uninformed, scum knows.

Confidence is AI? That's new to me.

Oh I forgot Io, probably null for me but have to reread her.

VOTE: Lil

There is literally no way you can legitimately scum read Trans and not scum read me after how friendly he and I have been today.

Uh there is and I just did.

wait why would Uzi be confscum just because he saw CCC as conftown?

Insufficient evidence. I'd posted nothing but fluff and one or two minor questions before that read.

wait why would Uzi be confscum just because he saw CCC as conftown?

Because scum are the only players who can be confident with their reads! Town is uninformed, scum knows.

Well that's patently false as most town players develop strong scum or town reads in most games.

Yeah, but generally Town waits until it has a bit of evidence first, one way or the other. I'd posted practically nothing before that read.

Makes it look like Lil Uzi Vert might just have decided in advance how he wanted to read me, then ignored my actual posts. Which would seem more of a scum strategy than a town strategy.

This is somewhat meta but scum knows who is cum so they read each post with the knowledge of what that players alignment is. Therefore they can see exactly what is townie about each post. For me it is very hard to call some people town and some people scum when I am maf. I either see everyone as town and have to entirely fabricate my scum tells(sure way to end up misspeaking and dieing) or I see everyone as scum and noone trusts me because I read them as scum when they know they are town.Hope that makes sense but the wiki does have a page on this. Scum has the best scum read and town reads of all the players in the game. They know and therefore can see the signs in each player's post.

Town is dumb; scum is smart.


End of meta post

Yeah... that's why I'm suspicious of Lil Uzi Vert for his correct read on me based on practically nothing.

Mobile while driving really sucks.

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO MAFIA WHILE DRIVING!

You should be paying attention to the road! Watching other traffic! Paying attention to the pedestrians and/or cyclists in your vicinity! NOT dividing your attention with a mobile browser!

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO MAFIA WHILE DRIVING!

It's not safe!

I don't recall saying how strong my reads are but for the record, they aren't that strong at the moment and they like all reads during this time are subject to change and will.

I will say though that my questions toward Transcend was how I got my scum read on him.

wait why would Uzi be confscum just because he saw CCC as conftown?

Because scum are the only players who can be confident with their reads! Town is uninformed, scum knows.

Confidence is AI? That's new to me.

Lil Uzi. In post 612 you sure didn't seem to be backing off your town read. Now that you are taking some votes for that you are suddenly backing down? Kinda contradictory

How am I backing down? I only pointed out that I never once said how my strong my reads were due to a few people assuming my town read on CCC was a strong one. I still stand by that read.

Tell me what part of this says lil Uzi is town? And if he is town, we sure won't have lost a power player!

(By the same argument I ain't worth much either:/ )

i hardclaim scum

VOTE: burgerking

Iso burgerking and look at his posts.


Literally no content what so ever.

I can't find 1 post from BurgerKing that actually has them scumhunting.

ironic.

heres a few posts where i demonstrate scumhunting:

post 308
post 467

there are a bunch of other posts where i ask JaeReed, Io, Impoetic to explain things they said.

so blatant lie is blatant.

hmm let's look at u now.

post 483 - filler opening post (abt how theres a lot of pages, wanting to flip maf, calling the mod a noob etc.)
post 484 - another useless post abt how you're tired and you'll read later
post 552 - irrational logic
post 569 - another useless post abt how you're not even going to bother to read over what u missed
post 571 - u then announce that u'll skim-read and dont come back with a useful post
post 593 - useless "lol" post
post 704 - claiming to be serious about the irrational logic in post #552
post 706 - useless post
post 707 - useless post
post 712 - useless+incorrect post
post 706 - useless irony posting of facepalm emoji
post 721 - u ask someone to tell u to iso a player instead of just ISO'ing players
post 724 - useless post
post 726 - vague / lacks elaboration
post 729 - the one relevant post u made which is pretty much a BW on LUV

so u basically called me out on not scumhunting which was not only a lie but also completely ironic considerin all the posts u've made so far.

VOTE: Gerryoat

This is his only post more then a few lines and it's a mass quote on a townie.

I quoted mostly the stuff pertaining to Hermie's votes D1 & D2 if you're interested Titus. Some are quote walls, tho.

[JaeReed]

ahhh ewwww there was a spoiler in there I guess.

[JaeReed]

And if he is town, we sure won't have lost a power player!

Anyway this was the line I hated from him in particular with regards to Uzi's lynch (everything in the spoiler is what he quoted from Uzi so feel free to ignore that I guess, I wasn't paying attention to the fact he spoilered it).

Then Burgerking's lynch D2 he quoted him saying "I hardclaim scum." when he voted him, which I also really disliked.

[JaeReed]

Okay so I am trying to catch up. I really am not picking anything up on my gut radar other than burger is spoiling for a fight and everyone claims lil Uzi is scum. Transcend seems to be town so I guess VOTE: lil Uzi

Spoiler:

Hey Hermie and rb!

VOTE: gerryoat

You better not be Team Moon!

This game is going to be a pain to reread.

I'm colorblind.

Btw io is mafia and i know for sure because i am a day cop nk-immune miller ascetic mason

Sounds sexy.

I'm colorblind.

Is this in answer to "did you get a red role pm"? Or something else?

Yep, I believe so.

if luv flips town i will donate a kidney to charity

IM THAT SURE HE WILL FLIP SCUM

I'll put a picture of your face on a billboard when I flip town

I have no idea what GT means. Translation?

How old are you Cloud?

How old are you Cloud?

He's 65

Are you Cloud?

How old are you Cloud?

He's 65

Are you Cloud?

He's my father (adopted, of course)

He's a little too old for you to still be answering for him.

Hey Hermie and rb!

VOTE: gerryoat

You better not be Team Moon!

what's team moon is that what the mafia team is called? i genuinely don't see where this is listed if it is.

Yeah I heard that's what they call themselves. Wanna sheep me?

I was just told this game started and then told not to post so guess what I'm gonna do? POST. OBNOXIOUS. ONE-LINERS. REPEATEDLY.

Who told you not to post?

Hey luv, did u read about gargamels towns ?

Nah, I couldn't find it on the wiki so I just assumed you were trolling. Sounds like something out of a cartoon though.

How old are you Cloud?

He's 65

Are you Cloud?

He's my father (adopted, of course)

He's a little too old for you to still be answering for him.

No, no, that's fair. However, since you now realize he's my father you should also realize that you've won $100 million in the secret lottery. To collect you need to give me all of your personal banking information. You can pm me or post it in thread. Don't worry, this will be 100% secure for you.

I'm already rich sir, but thank you for the offer!

Would you sell your soul for the answers? That is the question my friend.

VOTE: Impoetic

I am aware that it looks like a dumbtell and it sort of was in that I realized team moon was probably something else before posting it, but decided to post it anyway.

And you did this because ___?

why not? It was a quirky, fun entrance that somewhat proved my alignment in that I probably wouldn't have come up with such a weird dumbtell as scum, and it got reactions. I don't really know what to think of transcend's reaction, but it did get reactions.

so, tldr: idrc

I also haven't read up yet and am multitasking ATM so excuse the late response.

Why were you so focused on proving your alignment rather than looking for scum?

VOTE: Impoetic

I am aware that it looks like a dumbtell and it sort of was in that I realized team moon was probably something else before posting it, but decided to post it anyway.

And you did this because ___?

why not? It was a quirky, fun entrance that somewhat proved my alignment in that I probably wouldn't have come up with such a weird dumbtell as scum, and it got reactions. I don't really know what to think of transcend's reaction, but it did get reactions.

so, tldr: idrc

I also haven't read up yet and am multitasking ATM so excuse the late response.

Why were you so focused on proving your alignment rather than looking for scum?

Indoor voices fam', indoor voices.

Indoor voices fam', indoor voices.

VOTE: Impoetic

I am aware that it looks like a dumbtell and it sort of was in that I realized team moon was probably something else before posting it, but decided to post it anyway.

And you did this because ___?

why not? It was a quirky, fun entrance that somewhat proved my alignment in that I probably wouldn't have come up with such a weird dumbtell as scum, and it got reactions. I don't really know what to think of transcend's reaction, but it did get reactions.

so, tldr: idrc

I also haven't read up yet and am multitasking ATM so excuse the late response.

Why were you so focused on proving your alignment rather than looking for scum?

I wasn't, I just posted it because i could and that's part of my goal as town. It was a genuine thought I genuinely had, it was mildly amusing and it helped me show I was town, so I posted it despite realizing it was stupid.

Why is it so hard for you to grasp that? This seems like nitpicking rather than genuine confusion. Still multitasking so I can't look closer to verify that theory.

I just don't see a need for you to try show the rest of the town that you're town if you're town.

Your emphasis on genuine worries me as well.

Woah, tounge twister.

Am I tripping right now? Are there two Io's?

Smells like some next level reaction testing

Tuxedo cats for the win.

I don't like his posts and i don't think his progression through the game is genuine.

Have a great day Mr dude that tricked me in wakes role madness.

Opinions! How many of us have them?

Tone feels off too

Pedit: no

Tone would imply we've played together before no?

Tone feels off too

Pedit: no

Tone would imply we've played together before no?

No and i don't use meta when i tone read them

Why wouldn't it? You're basically implying I sound different from normal which doesn't make sense since we don't know each other.

What's the tone of a basic town? What's the definition of a basic town?

I can understand if you said you didn't like my tone or said it made you feel uncomfortable, but you said my tone felt off. Your choice of words my friend.

What's the tone of a basic town? What's the definition of a basic town?

I can understand if you said you didn't like my tone or said it made you feel uncomfortable, but you said my tone felt off. Your choice of words my friend.

It's hard to explain how i tone read people

But it's proven to work each time i do it.

Noted.

I got a couple of reads but I definitely need to check the shelfs again.

Logic and reasoning seem like my thing, at least at the moment.

Yeah I think I'm cool with this for now

(burgerking, CCC, JaeReed, rb)
(Cloudkicker, gerryoat, Hermie, Impoetic, VWXYZ)
(mhsmith0, Transcend)

Oh I forgot Io, probably null for me but have to reread her.

Guess why and I might say.

I liked his questioning of the Transcend scum read me which I had assume was a joke for like the longest time.

Yeah.

This isn't town.

I refuse to believe that you brushed my vote off on you as a joke.

Okay.

And at no point did you suspect it might very well be an easy buddying/pocketing play, or just distancing his reads when he has a teammate on you? Seriously that's incredibly lazy work there.

No I choose not to because I'm not going to psyche myself out and I don't see how questioning a read is buddying.

So you have a lazy town read on ccc for defending you. Are your other town/scum reads similarly lazy, or is there any meat behind the other ones?

How was questioning a read at that point in the game defending me? I was nowhere in danger of being lynched.

And yeah they're lazy, it's Day 1.

Oh look I questioned your scum read of transcend that must make me conf!town in your eyes now

I have not once said the words confirmed and town in the same sentence until now.

So you have a lazy town read on ccc for defending you. Are your other town/scum reads similarly lazy, or is there any meat behind the other ones?

How was questioning a read at that point in the game defending me? I was nowhere in danger of being lynched.

And yeah they're lazy, it's Day 1.

Oh look I questioned your scum read of transcend that must make me conf!town in your eyes now

I have not once said the words confirmed and town in the same sentence until now.

So you have a lazy town read on ccc for defending you. Are your other town/scum reads similarly lazy, or is there any meat behind the other ones?

How was questioning a read at that point in the game defending me? I was nowhere in danger of being lynched.

And yeah they're lazy, it's Day 1.

Do you actually believe in any of the reads you've stated or is it all weak leans backed up by basically air?

You think you need to be near lynch for someone to defend you?

Oh look I questioned your scum read of transcend that must make me conf!town in your eyes now

I have not once said the words confirmed and town in the same sentence until now.

So you nitpick on my wording instead of the actual point about your town reads seeming to be super cheap?

I do, for now. They can always change though.

No, but you're not telling me how is questioning a read defending me. Questioning is expressing doubt, not protecting or shielding one from attacks.

I'm just trying to understand how you're taking my town reads as confirming people as town. I never said CCC is confirmed town, I just gave a tier list. You assumed the rest.

wait why would Uzi be confscum just because he saw CCC as conftown?

Because scum are the only players who can be confident with their reads! Town is uninformed, scum knows.

Confidence is AI? That's new to me.

Oh I forgot Io, probably null for me but have to reread her.

VOTE: Lil

There is literally no way you can legitimately scum read Trans and not scum read me after how friendly he and I have been today.

Uh there is and I just did.

wait why would Uzi be confscum just because he saw CCC as conftown?

Insufficient evidence. I'd posted nothing but fluff and one or two minor questions before that read.

wait why would Uzi be confscum just because he saw CCC as conftown?

Because scum are the only players who can be confident with their reads! Town is uninformed, scum knows.

Well that's patently false as most town players develop strong scum or town reads in most games.

Yeah, but generally Town waits until it has a bit of evidence first, one way or the other. I'd posted practically nothing before that read.

Makes it look like Lil Uzi Vert might just have decided in advance how he wanted to read me, then ignored my actual posts. Which would seem more of a scum strategy than a town strategy.

This is somewhat meta but scum knows who is cum so they read each post with the knowledge of what that players alignment is. Therefore they can see exactly what is townie about each post. For me it is very hard to call some people town and some people scum when I am maf. I either see everyone as town and have to entirely fabricate my scum tells(sure way to end up misspeaking and dieing) or I see everyone as scum and noone trusts me because I read them as scum when they know they are town.Hope that makes sense but the wiki does have a page on this. Scum has the best scum read and town reads of all the players in the game. They know and therefore can see the signs in each player's post.

Town is dumb; scum is smart.


End of meta post

Yeah... that's why I'm suspicious of Lil Uzi Vert for his correct read on me based on practically nothing.

Mobile while driving really sucks.

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO MAFIA WHILE DRIVING!

You should be paying attention to the road! Watching other traffic! Paying attention to the pedestrians and/or cyclists in your vicinity! NOT dividing your attention with a mobile browser!

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO MAFIA WHILE DRIVING!

It's not safe!

I don't recall saying how strong my reads are but for the record, they aren't that strong at the moment and they like all reads during this time are subject to change and will.

I will say though that my questions toward Transcend was how I got my scum read on him.

wait why would Uzi be confscum just because he saw CCC as conftown?

Because scum are the only players who can be confident with their reads! Town is uninformed, scum knows.

Confidence is AI? That's new to me.

Lil Uzi. In post 612 you sure didn't seem to be backing off your town read. Now that you are taking some votes for that you are suddenly backing down? Kinda contradictory

How am I backing down? I only pointed out that I never once said how my strong my reads were due to a few people assuming my town read on CCC was a strong one. I still stand by that read.

Tell me what part of this says lil Uzi is town? And if he is town, we sure won't have lost a power player!

(By the same argument I ain't worth much either:/ )

i hardclaim scum

VOTE: burgerking

Iso burgerking and look at his posts.


Literally no content what so ever.

I can't find 1 post from BurgerKing that actually has them scumhunting.

ironic.

heres a few posts where i demonstrate scumhunting:

post 308
post 467

there are a bunch of other posts where i ask JaeReed, Io, Impoetic to explain things they said.

so blatant lie is blatant.

hmm let's look at u now.

post 483 - filler opening post (abt how theres a lot of pages, wanting to flip maf, calling the mod a noob etc.)
post 484 - another useless post abt how you're tired and you'll read later
post 552 - irrational logic
post 569 - another useless post abt how you're not even going to bother to read over what u missed
post 571 - u then announce that u'll skim-read and dont come back with a useful post
post 593 - useless "lol" post
post 704 - claiming to be serious about the irrational logic in post #552
post 706 - useless post
post 707 - useless post
post 712 - useless+incorrect post
post 706 - useless irony posting of facepalm emoji
post 721 - u ask someone to tell u to iso a player instead of just ISO'ing players
post 724 - useless post
post 726 - vague / lacks elaboration
post 729 - the one relevant post u made which is pretty much a BW on LUV

so u basically called me out on not scumhunting which was not only a lie but also completely ironic considerin all the posts u've made so far.

VOTE: Gerryoat

This is his only post more then a few lines and it's a mass quote on a townie.

I quoted mostly the stuff pertaining to Hermie's votes D1 & D2 if you're interested Titus. Some are quote walls, tho.

@Titus can't fix it, can make a new one. Here.

[JaeReed]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p8409424

Titus, this is a completed newbie game where Hermie was town.

[JaeReed]

^ He seemed more high energy and kinda aggressive there, from a skim of the tone. I can't see that here.

[JaeReed]

Tbh, I am leaning mhsmith0 and Transcend.

spicy. What makes you think me and trans fit together?

Transcends entrance did not make a lick of sense.

He said in twilight nobody vote.
He votes my slot early on entrance.
When he sees it is me, he switches to buddying tone but tries to justify still voting me.
The introduction to me seems to know a CC is coming and he wants to be on my good side.
He also weakly distances from you and vanishes when the CC hits the fan.

Transcend originally made that post when we all thought Cloud was flipping town. We thought we were going into lylo, with me having led a mislynch on the town doctor. I was thinking smith was scum that day, io and smith were thinking I was scum... And we've had a lot of silly moves this game.

I pushed smith to claim over pushing cloud, for instance. I tracked Cloud to the kill N2 but I was pushing smith, who visited CCC N1 instead. I wanted him to claim so I knew whether it was plausible with my role + 1 shot gs for him to have something where he visits ccc before I full claimed (I figured it'd be harder for him to wiggle his way out of it because he might make the wrong kind of claim). Io counterclaimed me thinking neighborizer, 1 shot gs, and another investigative can't all exist for some reason.
Burgerking D2 self hammered.
Gerry derphammered D1 because no one was paying attention to the amount of votes.

[JaeReed]

This is inoverhishead town!herm. Look at day 2 that game. I was playing with 2 players I slightly knew from a different forum.

Just went through D2 of your ISO and I still see nothing that seems remotely similar to your play here.

[JaeReed]

Like that second paragraph came out of nowhere but it's useful.

Even if the context fueled the comment, the drastic tone shift reads fake.

You're talking about my second paragraph on shit that has happened?

I guess? I mean we thought Cloud claimed VT as doc, after I claimed a tracker result on him... It was one of those situations where town was just like "I give up on this game" after bk's self hammer and all.

[JaeReed]

^ Like I don't think the tone shift was really that drastic when you look at it in that light.

[JaeReed]

Ohhh, that one. Lol. Yeah that was awks.

[JaeReed]

I need to reread because my feelings are starting to mess with my ability to think things through.

Still gonna ask for no quick votes so we have time to sort between the two claims.

[JaeReed]

The downfall?

I don't exactly see one.

Like I really don't.

If Titus is doc, then smith will be unable to sac the tracker as Titus is full doc and will protect him every night. He has to kill an unclear.

If Smith is doc, then Titus will MOST LIKELY sac the tracker, and confirm herself as scum.

I see.

Literally.

No reason to not do this.

I do. If we lynch wrong we will have used up our mislynch without even the guarantee of a 1 for 1 trade.

[JaeReed]

It's a really risky play and I can't see a real reason to go through with a risky play when we have a much safer one.

[JaeReed]

It doesn't matter if scum nightkill me if we can lynch scum. You're placing way too much importance on the Tracker. 2/3 scum already found should be a fucking cakewalk for this playerlist in lylo to hunt down the associates and lynch the last scum. You're placing more importance on night actions than you need to at this point in the game.

[JaeReed]

I'm not lynching outside the doc claims. What you're proposing is literally 50/50 at autowin/autoloss and I see no reason to do it.

Like, what are you gonna do if we lynch outside the doc claims, Hermie flips town, and I get nightkilled anyway? You'll have Titus as confscum but you aren't likely to find the 3rd partner, and you'll likely lynch VWXYZ even though I'm actually fairly certain he's town because of the way Cloud pushed on him.

Not to mention, I don't trust you. I don't know you're town. I heavily lean on it because of your interactions with Cloud but you've managed to drive two mislynches and your post in twilight with Cloud's trolling was really awkward, as smith pointed out at the time.

[JaeReed]

running scenarios to work out if we're any worse off. gimme a sec.

[JaeReed]

Alright, so after running the scenarios, even a mislynch on Hermie is better at this stage, because we're removing an absolutely useless town that I don't think will put in the effort at lylo and is mislynch bait regardless.

The best scenario is Hermie as scum, because if he's town then we're kinda fucked. I can possibly see Io putting in the effort if she's town to consider both VW and Transcend equally but I can't see Transcend reconsidering on Io and I can't see VW putting in the effort if he's town to turn things around. I think VW is town due to the way Cloud was pushing him which was super scummy to me when I thought Cloud was confscum to me.

But yeah I can see what you're saying.

And yeah you're cool, I know you're just frustrated w/ not being listened to & the way the game has gone so far. We're cool, man.

I think your idea helps cuz it removes lynchbait/useless town before lylo at its worst, and at its best we get the other scum.

[JaeReed]

The apology is appreciated tho <3 Just I know you usually don't mean anything toxic by it when you're bein that way cuz I've seen you're generally a nice dude and know if you go too far I can just ask you to back it up

[JaeReed]

I'm gonna say, Io in the neighbourhood did a lot of spec before even inviting someone about how if she invited scum into the 'hood she'd be screwed over, how best to use her ability and such... and her first invite was Cloud so I doubt that was all just setup for like D3 where she'd have smith. If it was then I fucking commend her for her foresight, because I literally can't see her being scum right now.

That said, I am not 100% on Transcend, VW, and Smith.
Smith I'm more sure on because of the consistency in his play between days and in the neighbourhood. He would have had to adjust his play specifically for me while still not triggering any flags with everyone else and I really doubt he has the ability to do that with his wolf game (sorry smith).
VW is my second highest because of the way Cloud was pushing him. The way he reacted to me defending him reminded me of the way alban reacted to RC coming in during Cocktail Party (newbie game) when I was pushing alban hard and RC came in townreading him. Both Cloud and VW with their interactions on D3 made me believe strongly that VW could not possibly be a partner for Cloud.
Similarly, Cloud threw a lot of shade on Transcend for being wrong twice in a row where I feel like he could have just let it lie? He also had a lot of early interactions (sheeping votes and interactions that didn't feel forced) that make me lean towards not buddies. But that's a lighter read than the rest and I really hope it doesn't come down to that. In that case I think Io would be around though so I'll trust in her to look through things and weigh it up in the end, I think.

Thankfully Impo is conftown because I have major issues with paranoia with people I care about.

Spoiler: let us never speak of my titus thoughts bcuz let's be honest it's just me gushing

Titus is way more charismatic in real-time than I ever would have imagined. Playing against her is terrifying if she's scum here. Like, logic dictates that she should be the only lynch today but almost every fibre of my being is screaming against it and I know part of that is just that I'm finally playing with my idol, and another part is that I really want her to be of my alignment because I want to believe in her since I know she can lead us to victory if town... But really she just knows how to appeal to me and it's painfully obvious to me that she does know that, regardless of alignment. Like, it's really messing with me. I think if she's town she wouldn't mind the 1 for 1 trade though also, which is another reason I kinda wanted to lynch in the doc claims, because I trust her to give the correct theory regardless of alignment but also I think she'd value me thinking for myself as well but damnit I really actually want to trust her because everything she says makes me want to sheep. She's like a charmer or something and idunno how much of that is even me just...being me with an idol. I just... the more I interact with her the more I want to follow her and I know I need to be REALLY careful with that given the slot she replaced into and just...rip my common sense.

I'm finally in a game with Titus and I really don't want her to be scum q.q

[JaeReed]

WHY DID I POST ALL THAT ALASIFOASFJDLS NO I TAKE IT BACK STOP THE PRESSES

[JaeReed]

@Mod would a theoretical backup receiving a 1-shot role have the shot refunded?

[JaeReed]

She can't answer that but I'll ask anyway lol

[JaeReed]

OK IM HERE AND IM MAKING A LONG POST CAUSE I FORGOT ABOUT THIS GAME BUT WHEN I FIRST JOINED THIS GAME I ROLLED UNIVERSAL BACKUP I THINK ITS CALLED WHICH SAYS WHEN A TOWN POWER ROLE HAS DIED YOU WILL TAKE OVER THEIR ABILITIES/ POWERS SO WHEN THAT ONE KID DIED WHO WAS GUNSMITH I WAS LIKE COOL I GET TO GIVE SOMEONE GUN BUT NO THAT ISNT WHAT THIS DOES APPARENTLY MEANS I TARGET A NIGHT TO LEARN IF THEY HAVE A GUN??? SO THE WIKI I READ SAID MEMBERS OF THE MAFIA THAT ARE NOT DOCTORS COPS FBI AGENTS VIGILANTES OTHER GUNSMITHS PARANOID GUN OWNERS ETC ALL HAVE GUNS IN TRADITIONAL FLAVOR NOTABLY SERIAL KLLER AND DOCTORS DO NOT HAVE GUNS SO I CHECKED TRANSCEND AND SONIA TOLD ME HE HAD A GUN IS THIS BAD IS TRANSCEND MAF?? IDK U TELL ME IM JUST SAYING MY REPORT BOYS

just for kicks...

so why check trans last night instead of sometime earlier?

N2 CCC died
N3 VW claims to have checked Transcend after getting CCC's role.

You should know he couldn't have checked anyone earlier.

[JaeReed]

^note that said advice does not apply if you're a jester

As a jester I once claimed uninformed mafia traitor.

That worked out nicely for me.

[JaeReed]

Sonia's fave role is UB tho isn't it? I can see her putting one in.

[JaeReed]

Hey well at least we're voting outside the doc claims like you wanted Transcend.

VOTE: Transcend

[JaeReed]

Will give maf PT
Mod and dead thread in 1 day

Neighbourhood as well?

I'd be interested to see the review thread for this if possible, too.

Thanks for hosting, Sonia.

[JaeReed]

Honestly, I find it really hard to be happy about the win because of the day play here. Scum deserved to win this.

And again my incompetent ass got dragged across the finish line, so probably a bit of self annoyance seeping through there.

Like, town should lose when they play bad during the day. This is another example of bad behaviours being reinforced because we won, and I don't know if it was the setup per se or just because the night play by town was actually decent. I just feel like scum were cheated out of a win they deserved.