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[MariaR]

VOTE: Karnos

Let's start then.

[MariaR]

I gave you your other lynch choice Elyse so you can pick join this wagon with me or I'll vote you again and make sure you get lynched I will force this.

[MariaR]

(Giga Kraska)
(Jarjar Nero)
(Shadow IAI Gerry)
(Thor)
(Bliz)
(Elyse Sable Karnos)

[MariaR]

Then why vote Karnos over Elyse...? You put them in the same tier, that implies they're about equal.

I can't answer this question atm I will when the time is right.

[MariaR]

so you do have elyse as bottom tier :/
why are you trying to meet midway with elyse then

Reasons.

[MariaR]

I am being vague for a reason just give it a bit.

[MariaR]

okay
it better be good
because im beginning to wonder if im wrong about you

*Tackle hug* nuuuuuuu ;-;

[MariaR]

I think that voting without giving reasoning is better for scum then for town

town do naked votes all the time but yea, I generally think that not giving reasons for your votes is pro-scum.

This made Blitz slightly more likely to be scum, but the difference was marginal. If the other players had a 3 in 12 chance (0.25) of being scum, I felt her chance of being scum was something like 0.2505.

This part is junk though. Like there was no way that Blitz's naked vote was scummier than any other naked vote.

vote:Michel

We're the only one's who sr him It's not happening today although I wish it was!

[MariaR]

that's the point

Elyse I told you vote karnos with me or I'm gonna vote you will you join me or no

[MariaR]

Ah fk Elyse passed my reaction test.

[MariaR]

I felt like town Elyse would stay on that wagon while scum Elyse would hope on karnos out of fear zzz w/e I hate this but I'm still not lynching Giga and no one wants to vote karnos or Sable so I give up

VOTE: Elyse

[MariaR]

Did elyse even talk about karnos before for you to expect her to consider a hop on that wagon at all?

Maybe I didn't really factor that in I was mostly going for fear. I still think she could be scum and smart enough to understand this but the read isn't as strong as it was before

[MariaR]

We lynch Bliz after this btw

[MariaR]

Also Thors point that I have to be a scum pr is moot because I would claim pr as a scum pr

[MariaR]

The sad thing is one of Sable/Bliz/Karnos are town and that pains me

[MariaR]

I would vote kraska or shadow

And you're not voting either of us because...?

why would I vote either when giga is at L-3 and I'm scumreading him the most

like you're just making shit up to make me look bad

vote:Elyse

We have a day and change left, go ahead and claim.

ANY HAMMERS BEFORE INTENT AND A FULL CLAIM WILL BE TREATED AS A SCUM CLAIM.

VT

Honestly just lynch me

This game sucks

Would you lynch in any of those 3 I named?

[MariaR]

I don't really flip town often as you can see from my past games so what I try to do is say whatever is on my mind but I'm learning I can't do that because some people think a lot of the comments I think we're scummy the reaction test I did on Elyse was to help me with my scumread on her but it in fact made it worse I am still going to lynch her because the other 3 people I want to get lynched aren't getting lynched clearly I think I tried to show false confident because my mind set was "Okay well my town game on the site I play on is amazing so I'm gonna do just as well on this site" and that's not the case at all so I'm trying to find how I want to play as town I can't just be my carefree self because everyone finds that filler I do scummy I feel confined into a playstyle I don't want to do just so I can appear towny to others me putting air and stuff I've done my whole mafia life so I don't see it as scummy what so ever but I think I'm starting to see how others can I think once I get out of my EM! mindset it will help me

[MariaR]

I think the confidence I got was from Transcend seeing me as town and I just thought everyone would back off and I didn't understand why the mason claims are scummy when gambits like this happen all the time but I need to remember not every site has the same rules and the normal is different here and I shouldn't be content with my friends tring me I should be content with EVERYONE townreading me

[MariaR]

I'm fine with being lynched at this point I finally figured out my main problem in this game and it's prob to late for me to fix it.

[MariaR]

Kraska I'm unsure of now too.

sr me all you want but I promise Kraska and Giga are both town here
I wouldn't vote Kraska I'd have to do a re read on shadow to see if I wanted to vote in Elyse/Shadow

Can you tell me how you feel about Sable/Bliz/Karnos though?

[MariaR]

Giga listen to me for once
I'm town you're town and Kraska is town I would love if we lynched in Elyse (a lot less so than before) Sable/Bliz

[MariaR]

The Elyse lynch for me at this point is to keep my townreads alive and I don't see any other lynch in the top 3 that I want but if you want to explain the shadow sr please tell me.

[MariaR]

but i'm scumreading none of those slots

like michel is more likely than not town and I can't read blitz for shit, deadline wagonning them sounds horrible

shadow or gerry are a lot better to me.

I have like literally no reason to scumread Shadow in all honesty. I just expected more from him because of our last game, and his Karnos vote with you was really weird... Other than that his slot hasn't been super helpful, and at least out of the three lurkers (and I really think one of them is scum) he's probably the one most likely flipping scum.

I don't really know what to say I want Gerry to be town and I can't tell if that's friend!me wanting him to be town or I tr him I'd be content with an Elyse lynch still over those 2 because lurker lynches if wrong reset this day

[MariaR]

I think it's really really risky to vote in lurkers where we can get very good info reads on Elyse's flip

[MariaR]

People change there game a lot so idk if you should base a read on sable due to meta

flash lynching on a lurker scares the shit out of me because 1) Could be a pr 2) If it's really scum they'll prob claim pr anyway 3) We get no info

[MariaR]

I think it's really really risky to vote in lurkers where we can get very good info reads on Elyse's flip

well yeah, that's why i've preferred an elyse lynch over any, with 1 day left a lurker lynch can backfire

but if people think she's town then I think i'm a better lynch. that's why i was trying to push a 1v1. I strongly believe self-voting is stupid and you know I've lost a game because of it happening, but I really can't see an alternative way to steer town in a better direction if one of us can't get lynched. maybe i'm just not thinking hard enough.

Please dear god don't self vote at this stage.

[MariaR]

People change there game a lot so idk if you should base a read on sable due to meta

flash lynching on a lurker scares the shit out of me because 1) Could be a pr 2) If it's really scum they'll prob claim pr anyway 3) We get no info

1 is true of lurker and non lurker alike. If u feel that strongly we lynch among u, Gigi or élysé.

2 will self resolve over the course of the game

3 there is always info. If I'm pushing town shadow and it protects scum u or scum élysé that would come out later in the game...

that's why my vote is on Elyse she already claimed

[MariaR]

I feel comfortable because my 3 ideal lynches no one wants to do so any vote for me is really a "okay you're not lynching my tr good enough for me"
I just feel like this can turn sour so close to the deadlinbe

[MariaR]

EBWOP: I don't feel*

[MariaR]

God so much spam.

Pro tip: Saying so much spam is adding to the spam smart one.
I don't understand Bliz town can anyone talk on that please

[MariaR]

VOTE: Shadow step

Does this vote mean you think me and Giga are both town
UNVOTE: god what the f am I doing

[MariaR]

Why do you want to be lynched so badly Giga when you're obv town what the fk can be so bad you want to lynch yourself

[MariaR]

I'd rather lynch myself over you because I feel you can town tell yourself out of this slot you're in then I can. As a matter of fact

VOTE: MariaR
Lets go

[MariaR]

Why do you want to be lynched so badly Giga when you're obv town what the fk can be so bad you want to lynch yourself

Transcend's mason fakeclaim pretty much made this town collapse on itself, and he dug himself a massive hole that i don't think anyone could get out of. i think that my townflip and me saying that this town hasn't sorted the slots it needs to would help the gamestate, especially because i keep saying that you and kraska should be put on the back burner D2 if I'm dead. Do you disagree...?

maria i don't think your lynch does the same thing

I know you and Kraska are town and I think you can town tell much better then me you already got a few sr's on you where I'm always a cop out lynch for scum I guess I'm an easy push so better get me out of the way now I think it's much better so *shrug*

[MariaR]

We're lynching a town today regardless zzz I guess I'd do a shadow lynch but I'm losing motivation fast

[MariaR]

How do you guys feel about a Gerry or Bliz lynch

[MariaR]

It sucks cause his day 1 is NAI but I feel like he'd try at least a bit harder as town and just placing his vote on Elyse was one of the weirder votes

VOTE: Gerry

Pedit: I pref Gerry over Shadow

[MariaR]

VOTE: gerrygoat

How did you reach the answer of 2 outo f 3 (I assume 3) of the scum are lurkers (karnos and Gerry)

[MariaR]

I think you quoted the wrong post. ^

Nope you sr both Gerry and Karnos right?

[MariaR]

Their lurking hasn't got much do with it, I've explained my Gerry read while karnos I just wanted more pressure on that slot to sort him out.

I didn't think you sr them for lurking I just thought it didn't make sense for Karnos and Gerry to both be scum so I wanted to hear what your thoughts were on it.

[MariaR]

Their lurking hasn't got much do with it, I've explained my Gerry read while karnos I just wanted more pressure on that slot to sort him out.

I didn't think you sr them for lurking I just thought it didn't make sense for Karnos and Gerry to both be scum so I wanted to hear what your thoughts were on it.

why doesn't it make sense for us to be partners?

I doubt 2 of the mafia would hardcore lurk to hell

[MariaR]

Yeah Gerry prob flipped scum this game

[MariaR]

Yeah gerry 100% flipped mafia this isn't the reaction he'd give as town not even close

[MariaR]

Sable Gerry and hm last scum is hard

[MariaR]

Gerry the cute thing is you have no reason to fos me either all you've done is lurk this game and that reaction you gave was awful.

[MariaR]

uh I gave a reason? you had no reason to fos me and you tried to get votes on me for no reason. i want even lurking

You've been lurking hardcore

[MariaR]

Haven't got much time now, full post hopefully to follow later today.

I really don't want to lynch outside the fake mason claim. Nothing anyone else has done comes close in scummyness.

So with the momentum for a giga wagon completely gone:

Unvote

Vote: MariaR

Baaahhh!

VOTE: MariaR

If you're town don't play with me again please you're truly unpleasant to play with

[MariaR]

Notice how Gerry suddenly becomes active when he's getting lynched I voted you because you weren't a bad lynch and it was a lynch that wasn't giga so I voted you your reaction wasn't towny what so ever this isn't !town Gerry
The only reason you voted me was because I was the only counter wagon

[MariaR]

Haven't got much time now, full post hopefully to follow later today.

I really don't want to lynch outside the fake mason claim. Nothing anyone else has done comes close in scummyness.

So with the momentum for a giga wagon completely gone:

Unvote

Vote: MariaR

Baaahhh!

VOTE: MariaR

If you're town don't play with me again please you're truly unpleasant to play with

I know you're upset at being caught scum. Sorry.

No you're just quite a rude person

[MariaR]

You know a thing called reads changing Gerry yeah it happens i if you read the thread you'd see that!

[MariaR]

Notice how Gerry suddenly becomes active when he's getting lynched I voted you because you weren't a bad lynch and it was a lynch that wasn't giga so I voted you your reaction wasn't towny what so ever this isn't !town Gerry
The only reason you voted me was because I was the only counter wagon

Huh? Who are you talking to here?

Gerry

[MariaR]

Now maria, if you have a reason for your sudden flip, you can explain. Because I was "lurking" 2 days ago as well when you said I was probably town. If you want to respond to these allegations of contridictions against you, now would be a good time.

There's no contradictions against me you said a line you said as town before but that was a stupid reason to tr you because that same line can be easily faked as scum town gerry would be posting more town gerry wouldn't have the bs reactions you have and you're voting me because I had no reason to vote you and did that as maf when we both know I wouldn't do the same meta with you in the game like a moron you voted me because you had to

[MariaR]

Scum me could of prob flipped to the giga wagon if I felt like it because giga was offering herself on a plate and that's prob the play I would of went for but now I feel content with your lynch

[MariaR]

(Giga Kraska)
(Jarjar Nero)
(Shadow IAI Gerry)
(Thor)
(Bliz)
(Elyse Sable Karnos)

less than 2 days ago she had 5 people scummier than me. all of a sudden is ok with her scumread voting me as well (despite the fact that i was voting her scumread)

Ya...I don't understand this either
my strong initial town read on her dwindled when she backtracked on her scum read on you after being pressed about it
I don't understand how the opinion of others could so easily ebb her more intimate+intuitive read on you

Kraska I swear that I'm town sweet fking jesus you don't know how upsetting it is knowing my top 2 tr's are town and they think I could be scum

[MariaR]

You know a thing called reads changing Gerry yeah it happens i if you read the thread you'd see that!

Translation: "There is a thing called changing reads. I'm just gonna say this cause I have no reason or can explain my sudden read changes."

Already did explain but you're acting like changing your reads is SCUMMY you can NEVER be unsure on a read that's just outright scummy!

[MariaR]

You also say you weren't lurking but you suddenly become active and post when you have votes on you are you gonna say that's just random. I liked Elyse passed my reaction test and the reason I still voted her was cause she was slightly scummy and she was the counter wagon to my biggest tr giga and I didn't think I would have enough time to change it to dif wagon now that I see a wagon I do like without the fear of pr (if he does claim pr I'm not unvoting)

[MariaR]

VOTE: Elyse

hammered.

Prob the most random vote ever doesn't even say why he wants to vote Elyse just jumps on the BW adding a joke with his bw "slip" Gerry isn't a noob he wouldn't do a fake gambit slip like that as town if he can fake traitor claims as scum he for sure knows how to not slip as town (he has over 4 trophies of playing mafia btw)

[MariaR]

wait wtf transcend is gone. lame af. he's being tamed compared to what he says on EM lmao. w/e, i still haven't gotten anyone to convince me to vote with them, so I will still vote no one for now

VOTE: Elyse

hammered.

What a sudden change of heart!
You're scummy for not outting a reason for your vote and just jumping on a bw

[MariaR]

I have 7 trophies if we are counting, but that doesn't explain how I become scummy for voting your main scumread lmao

The trophy comment was so you can't do your stupid noob tell bs again

[MariaR]

You also said I was town when I was lurking 2 days ago. I have done the same amount of "lurking" and voted your scumread. How does that make me scummy to you? Explain that, cause you're dancing around the topic

I'm not dancing around the topic I've answered it

[MariaR]

>noob bs.

> about 6 people who have already played with me but ok

All your lines make no sense and are irrelevant because they make no sense. how does someone become SCUMMY for voting your HARD FOS who YOU wanted votes on AT THE TIME

you jumped on the bw without outting a reason it was a pure bw vote when you said the day before you have no idea who to vote so what comment made you change your mind and make you want to vote Elyse hm? Show me what she said that was scummy and made you want to vote her

[MariaR]

Notice how Gerry suddenly becomes active when he's getting lynched I voted you because you weren't a bad lynch and it was a lynch that wasn't giga so I voted you your reaction wasn't towny what so ever this isn't !town Gerry
The only reason you voted me was because I was the only counter wagon

Huh? Who are you talking to here?

Gerry

You refer to Gerry in the third person though?

Eh it felt right to use it in that sense

[MariaR]

VOTE: Elyse

hammered.

Prob the most random vote ever doesn't even say why he wants to vote Elyse just jumps on the BW adding a joke with his bw "slip" Gerry isn't a noob he wouldn't do a fake gambit slip like that as town if he can fake traitor claims as scum he for sure knows how to not slip as town (he has over 4 trophies of playing mafia btw)

Faking a hammer can draw reactions.

Of course it can lol but that clearly wasn't what he was going for stop trying to give him a defense
there was a vote count just before his vote so everyone clearly knew Elyse wasn't hammered

[MariaR]

>joining a BW where she'd still be at L-3

>Still your scumread

>Took you almost 3 days to say anything

You're avoiding the question Gerry

[MariaR]

Because YOU aren't answering why you suddenly are OK with shadow and Elyse 2 of your scumreads voting along side with me.

Where did I say I sr Shadow and I told you Elyse had towny reactions now answer my question (btw you never asked that you made it up rn just to try and avoid the question and make up an excuse on why you didn't answer my question)

[MariaR]

Gerry wasn't even the worst vote on Maria btw.

Join me Nero you football loving fk <3

[MariaR]

it implied you were willing to vote either of us and just said you prefered me over him.

Stop trying to create time for yourself and answer the question it's not even that hard to answer you just can't answer it can you

[MariaR]

I mean you guys do realize that Michels whole thing was that Maria was getting voted by scum and now he's voting her?

Trust me Nero I already know

[MariaR]

>Maria saying I can't answer when she's still dodged my main question lol

I decided Elyse seemed different than last game, so I decided to vote her. All she's done is omgus after which is pretty funny that you wouldn't know your main scumread doing that.

Didn't dodge any of your questions and why couldn't you just say that in the first place that doesn't seem like a very complex answer what makes her different It can't just be omgus

Do you still sr Elyse? Do you think me and Elyse are partners?

[MariaR]

Both

shadowstep

and Karnos have contributed virtually nothing useful, and

could easily be lurking scum

but he's voting Maria?!?

shadow/michel/blitz scum team calling it now

Replace Shadow with Gerry and that sounds pretty good to me
Pedit: GASP

[MariaR]

Another Gerry avoiding questions post good to know

Kraska join me on the Gerry wagon you can never trust me again if I'm wrong and vote me with open arms

[MariaR]

so you are scum and knows he is town?

IF YOU STILL LOVE MY VOTE GERRY ;-;

[MariaR]

Maria is literally using my reasons for fosing her and then trying to appeal to people doing the same thing lmfao it's pathetic

Care to back up these said reasons with proof mr pro!

[MariaR]

or maybe kraska is just one of the dozens of pro-scum players abd only looks like scum and it is Michel/Blitz and she's wrong on Shadow

Kraska and Giga are town friend

Anyway I'm going to sleep if I get lynched you auto lynch Gerry and Sable after me thanks guys!

[MariaR]

Whatever this wasn't fun you didn't even let me explain myself fuck this

[MariaR]

Giga and kraska are town
Lynch gerry and sable thanks

[MariaR]

How confident are you on gerry being scum? Because you did back off him for a while

99% lynch him and sable at least I don't have to play this trash

[MariaR]

Scum is n karnos blitz Gerry sable

[MariaR]

Enjoy losing your watcher btw

[MariaR]

Going 2/3 on day 1 is not bad I'm really shocked no one caught onto Sable's BS

Good game none the less from scum!

[MariaR]

oooooh @ maria's sig
<3

<3 I KNEW BOTH YOU AND GIGA WERE TOWN JEEZ