Open 32 - Pick Your Poison Mafia (Game Over!), before 470

[JDodge]

Vote: Mert

[JDodge]

Is there any chance we can get back to the game at some point, or are you all just going to have little joke bandwagons for the rest of the day?

[JDodge]

Something suspicious?

Rishi is scum for not starting the discussion on his own. He's the obvious lynch choice today. If you disagree, you're an idiot.

That's my line, moron.

[JDodge]

And yet you don't vote him. Either of you.

Unvote Vote: Xyzzy, FoS: Jdodge

Let's get things started.

Where did I say I agree?

I was merely pointing out the fact that xyzzy was using the same tactic that I normally use, the one that if I remember correctly, he said he "hated" in some game a while back.

[JDodge]

Ok. I misread that post. In which case, then, knowing it's inconsistent with his behaviour in other games, why did you not point that out, instead of just sayng "that's my line"?

Because I clearly didn't find it to be as big of a deal as you are making it out to be, so thusly I just made a sarcastic comment and was willing to ignore it for now.

[JDodge]

Oh, you're right! There's only one protown playing style - your's of course - and anyone who doesn't have that playstyle (me) is obvious scum.

Golly, since I use these basic tactics every game, I must always be scum, which is strange because I'm not.[/sarcasm]

Mert, stop being a frickin' moran.

Dear xyzzy,

Your attempts to be abrasive/mean/whatever you want to call it are really, really painful, and you are just making yourself look like a complete and utter idiot.

Please stop.

[JDodge]

Unvote, vote: HH

[JDodge]

Unvote, vote: SSF

Town should never be afraid of suspicion. If you have nothing to hide, you need not fear anything.

[JDodge]

Town should never be afraid of suspicion. If you have nothing to hide, you need not fear anything.

Yeah, because mislynches

never

happen. Ever.

Bullshit. Mislynches happen because townspeople are stupid enough to try and do nothing but keep suspicion off of themselves.

[JDodge]

Unoffical Vote Count

(1)

Patrick

- (xyzzy)
(1)

Shanba

-(dylan41985)
(2)

Mert

-(Patrick, Schismatized)
(3)

Xyzzy

-(Somestrangeflea,Honary Hitchhiker,Mneme)
(3)

Somestrangeflea

-(JDodge,Ms Piggy, Shanba)

You missed my vote on dylan41985, which is still active. Seriously, if you're going to pretend to be a mod, then at least get your votes right. Otherwise, step away and let yellowbounder do his job.

Translation: IF YOU'RE GOING TO HELP OF YOUR OWN VOLITION, DO IT RIGHT OR ELSE

[JDodge]

Ooooh, he's getting panicky!

[JDodge]

What?

I voted, very obviously with

little

no evidence, then explained my reasoning behind it.

"Panicky"...

Panicky.

Your turn!

[JDodge]

I am waiting for dylan/dylan's replacement.

[JDodge]

I am lurking. Discuss.

[JDodge]

I am lurking. Discuss.

Typical JDodge.

I do have a question, which I doubt will get answered, but here goes...

JDodge, in your previous post, you stated you were waiting for dylan or dylan's replacement. Well, Setael is here. Any thoughts?

(JDodge will now answer, "No.")

He analyzed himself. That's

really, really "useful"

.

[JDodge]

@Jdodge: Are you playing anything like you normally do as scum in this game? (genuine question)

You do realize that I'm probably the last person you should ask about something like this, right?

[JDodge]

@Jdodge: Are you playing anything like you normally do as scum in this game? (genuine question)

You do realize that I'm probably the last person you should ask about something like this, right?

Well, I think if anyone would know how you play as scum, it's you, and lying/misrepresenting regardless of your alignment is stupid, so I don't really see why you're a bad person to ask.

Because people generally will have a skewed opinion of their own playstyles, and drop tells subconciously.

[JDodge]

Mneme needs to die. And perhaps a lynch will get the game moving.

Unvote?, Vote: mneme

[JDodge]

White replaces Jack, effective immediately.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooo

My enjoyment of this game

[JDodge]

OMGUS

Setael needs to die

Vote: Setael

[JDodge]

Interesting. I don't see how my vote is OMGUS since Guardian has never attacked me, voted me, or even accused me.

How about instead of just saying I need to die and voting me, you tell me why my argument is in any way faulty or doesn't make sense. Because... it's a decent case imo - much better than the non-existent case you have on me.

Shit, I confused this game with a different one.

MY MISTAKE

Unvote

[JDodge]

*laugh* Nice.

Care to give your thoughts on this game?

I'm not particularly inclined to at the moment

[JDodge]

Is that because you don't have thoughts?
Don't like me?
Forgot about the game and have no clue what's going on?

These

[JDodge]

Wow...Guardian that was an incredible break down. I think i'm going to have to go over Sataels posts and see if errs like this consistently because if so, that's where my vote is going.

Btw, I talked with Xyzzy via IRC #mafia chatroom last night and he knows about this game.

ZOMG YOU WERE TALKING OUTSIDE THE THREAD CHEATER

[JDodge]

Shanba sounds like a good idea for a wagon

Vote: Shanba

[JDodge]

unvote, vote: Setael

diescumdie

[JDodge]

I find it amusing to watch as Jdodge runs around calling people scum and never once presents a case.

I'm right sometimes, too. I'm pretty sure I'm right this time, too

[JDodge]

Jdodge, I'm sure you've been right before. I'm also sure you've been scum before. Your not giving reasons for who you think is scum --> us not being able to get a read on you --> scummy.

Do you remember the last time you thought my not giving reasons was an indicator of me being scum?

[JDodge]

Vote: Rishi

die scum die

[JDodge]

Based on other games, Sikario8 has absolutely no friggin' clue what he's doing.

That doesn't make him scum though.

I will note the "Should I just hammer Rishi?" comment reminds me of dylan's comment on Day 1 where he asked permission to put a vote on ssf. And dylan turned out to be scum.

I'm torn.

I wholeheartedly agree with the above statement

[JDodge]

Bookitty is trying really really hard. I tend to think she wouldn't leave so much analysis for us to scrutinize if she is scum. Eh, she is def still in my top three though.

However,

unvote vote: Jdodge

.



One thing really bugged me -- when I metagamed him, and said his not posting was scummy, he asked "remember the last time you tried to do this?" He was right to do so -- he was town in that game.

However, he FAILED to point out that

I

was scum in that game. There were two scum factions, but I was scum and the last time I made that argument it could have been just BS scum tactics -- and I would expect him to bring that up here.

His failure to do so makes me think he was possibly buddying --

he wasn't interested in figuring out if I was scum, he was only interested in making me think that he wasn't scum

.

Also, his behavior re: both scum wagons has been suspicious.

More Jdodge wagon please. Bookitty and Patrick can wait.

R.I.P. Logic, beginning of time - November 10, 2007

[JDodge]

I agreed with the first part of Rishi's post: That some of your logic is a little weak but that Jdodge is dangerous if scum. The second part I clearly didn't agree with.

Interesting; so you're voting me because I'm "dangerous if scum"?

[JDodge]

Rishi, if that's what you think I said then you missed the point.

I realize that's not what you said, but I think that might be some of the motivation behind your reasoning.

The reason you have pro-town reads on everyone else is that you probably have no read on JDodge.

Lynching him is one surefire way to get a read.

Eh. Bolded part is untrue (also I'd like your explanation of how you reached that conclusion), italics part is true, and interesting. We have one scum alive out of 7 players. We have three guaranteed lynches left, in which time we need to correctly identify the scum. If we leave Jdodge alive, this becomes more difficult, as he's difficult to get a read on. It eliminates one of the variables, as he's one of the most likely to be scum to my eyes. Better that than lynching someone I have a pro-town read on, even if it's a mild one.

lynch all variables?

[JDodge]

2 things I'd like to clarify before any possible claim.

Man, I am not sure about Sikario8's vote. However, I'm starting to lean against him as scum for a purely metagamed reason. White had been absent for much of Day 3 and then was replaced on Day 4. Obviously, the Mafia sent a kill during the night, and White has been completely absent from the site during the entire Night 3.

These meta-game arguments have gotten me in trouble in the past.

Can you in any way explain this argument further? I think you'll find nothing beneath the surface.

I think Sikario8's vote was iffy, but Jack's behavior really makes me think that role is town.

Explain iffy.

[JDodge]

I think Sikario8's vote was iffy, but Jack's behavior really makes me think that role is town.

Explain iffy.

He seems to both be joining the strongest available wagon, and has little original thought in doing so. Also, even in describing what reasons he is borrowing from others to vote, I don't think he is using the stronger ones.

However, I am happy with the location of his vote.

Then I am at this time refusing to claim until someone with actual suspicions on me aside from JUST BANDWAGONING LOLZ asks for it. Except for the people who are already voting me.

[JDodge]

I'm a roleblocker

[JDodge]

Oh, and my targets were HH (now thin_man, now dead), Setael (that's why Setael was scum), and Sikario

[JDodge]

Jdodge, if you're gambitting, I'm sorry, but honestly I'm not good enough to not counterclaim here.

What would be the purpose of this as a town gambit? I'm a bit confused.

If we assume Shanba is the roleblocker we can clear him and Bookitty. That leave 5 suspects, and we have 3 lynches. Maybe we can use Shanba to clear another person too though.

How does it make any sense for me to fakeclaim roleblocker (or anything for that matter) as the lone remaining scum? Especially when my lynch was imminent?

[JDodge]

As I noted in a recent post, it doesn't really make sense to me either way. I want to know what your motivation was for doing it.

Clarity.

[JDodge]

Out of curiosity, what is the advantage for town to falseclaim?

I'm just not getting how JDodge fakeclaiming roleblocker is advantageous to town in any way. And I'm very sure it is a fakeclaim. (The advantage to scum would be if we believed it, I guess, since he was likely to be lynched otherwise.)

Am I missing something obvious?

Technically speaking it's not advantageous for me to fakeclaim regardless of alignment

[JDodge]

No blocking Guardian is better, trust me on this one

[JDodge]

I really like the concept of Picking your Poison (and I'm shortly running a mini theme based on it), but I don't think this specific setup should be tried again, because the powerole choices for scum seem pretty routine. I'd have been shocked to see a cop in this game.

Meh, I knew that flaw when I first made the setup but couldn't think of any way to fix it; I'd considered replacing the RB with a vig, would that help it any?

[JDodge]

From my perspective, we (that is, the mafia) had self-destructed by the time I was lynched, and it was only a matter of time.

JDodge fakeclaiming is an impressively bad way to lose, though; there's never a reason to let that pass, and that kind of gambit is -exactly- what LAL was coined for.

I figured if I claimed townie, I was dead; so I figured I'd at least have some fun with it.