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Hi.
First off many apologies, I read my PM about a week ago, didn't see the thread and completely forgot about the game until this morning. Fear not it's been added to watched topics.
Secondly I need to read, but why have several ppl attacked MoS for not appearing and not say Rump-Wat or myself. Seems kinda odd.-
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Okay let's get something done, I've pretty much contributed jack shit so far, so it's about time I did.
First page looks same old pointless stuff. Dr.B's vote on Tyhess seems like's he's looking for any old reason to sling on votes, I presume however it's still more random jokey. The edit post issue crops up - until its' pointed it's in his sig.
Blackstrike in 28 looks to promote discussion = good. However WTF!
I would say a better plan is to catch the cult not lynch townies!Dr.B wrote:
I would say that in this game, a townie lynch is almost as good as a scum lynch.
a) It would be damn good to get rid of the cult. Sod balance.Dr.B wrote:
a) How much of an effect would it have on balance if the cult leader was the day one lynch?
b) How many townies are likely in the game? There need to be enough to give the cult a chance along with power roles to help us get the cult/mafia.
I also think it's likely we have a vig, to help catch cultists.
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I think that townies should try get killed by the mafia. It hurts the cult.
b) Either 5, 6 OR 7. Why do we want to give the cult a chance? Cult is as bad as scum if not worse.
Christ man I wonder what others make of this post. I'm reading and making notes chronologically so my thoughts will appear before I've read others.
Curious poses possibility he's the jester. pwanye echoes my thoughts on Blackstrike "odd".
Excatly. Seems the Doctor's happy to let that one slide. Liking Volkan, Curious likewise, Flameaxe votes Dr.B stressing everything appears to be from a cultish point of view, I'd say he looks more pro-mafia but meh.vollkan wrote:
Plus, remember that even if the vanilla lynches hurt the cult, they help the mafia. There are two enemies we need to consider.
Interesting that pwayne sticks up for Dr.B somewhat
I happen to like pressure votes and bullying tactics, if it makes scum slip up great huh, you don't?pwayne66 wrote:
I don't agree with using pressure to disuade conversation. This type of game is new to most of us. We ought to encourage all the discussion and sharing of ideas we can prior to the game really starting. If Dr. BS has a point I want to hear it, not discourage him by using bully tactics.
Dr.B's vote on Flameaxe seems more OMGUS than anything.
Trojan signs in, seems reasonable, I still think we should be looking towards catching scummy players aka Dr.B at this point. 52/53 strikes me however as he's looking to create pressure on MoS for lurking when as I pointed out I was pretty much doing the same thing. Tyhess votes Dr calls him weird and then he wants to edit posts.
Continued defence of the Dr from pwayne
Trojan and Tyhess seem wishy washy over Blackstrike, maybe the Dr's too much of an easy target here, best keep an eye on both. Wishy Washy, lack of curiousity is scummy. Rump-Wat says he'll re-read I wonder if he does.pwayne66 wrote:
I am failing to follow the logic behind the Dr. Blackstrike bandwagon. Some think he is too culty and some think he is too scummy. Some did so in order to stimulate discussion despite the fact that the doc seems to be talking alright without stimulation.
Not understanding the votes for Flameaxe, he's giving me a decent vibe, i agree lynching vanilla's is not good period. However thing here is the vanilla townies should be good enough not to have to claim, i.e not be in danger of being lynched. Flame has four votes hmm . . . I find myself agreeing with MoS's first post. Trojan still seems very un-curious in 89. ac1983 - comments that Dr.B is pro-town but flawed, why not scummy but flawed? (I'm sick of flawed players escaping due to stupidity, he's just as much chance of being scum as the rest of us)
Does this not strike anyone as odd with the bandwagon on him? Seems he's okay with it.Rump wrote:
Just for the record, my vote on Flameaxe was and is totally random.
Oh great here comes the wonderful reasoning.
Tell me Rump who do you find scummy now then?rump wrote:
Well, I didn't unvote because he did seem kind of suspicious. But, he doesn't seem so suspicious now.
Unvote: Flameaxe
acfan I'd also like more from you asweell, other than Rump's seems kinda scummy.
Several posts relating to newbs, Curious still after response to his questions, valid. Avoidance of questions = scummy. Tyhess does finally in 128.
Ok to finish early good list - Flameaxe, Curious, Volkan. Not really any vibe - MoS, Oman, ac1983fan, Trojan Horse. Not liking a lot probably due to newbishness/scummyness - RumpWat, Tyhess. Not liking even less - pwayne66, Dr.B.
Vote Pwayne66
Mainly because he jumped to the Doctor's defence - I can see scum doing this if Doctor's town - he was incredibly scummy first three or so pages and doesn't want us to assert pressure and bullying tactics to catch scum - I see that as very anti-town whatever the method of game. Seperately I've seen a lot of scum do them list things, ppl think they look great, so scum do the odd one liners to impress. Anyways all for now.-
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I guess I've different opinions to the rest of you eh.
I don't like pwayne more for his suggestion to not use pressure votes and bully players etc. Plus his recent list doesn't sit too well with me. Therefore Trojan don't misrepresent me, at least I've laid out my opinions instead of sitting on the fence.
Oman he has 1 vote on Page 6 seems a slight over-reaction on your part? I could see scum defend a townie who's acting pretty suspiciously as Blackstrike was . .
or of course Blackstrike could well be an odd townie, odd mafia, odd cult and pwayne is naturally more defensive than other players. We haven't any knowledge as too Dr.B's alignment so in theory it's all wild speculation.
Pwanye I agree in essence that a disorganised town favours the scum but I don't think we should abandon good old scum hunting tactics, such as applying pressure and what not.-
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Ok looking back the tone doesn't seem all that bad, it did originally jump out at me that Oman commented on nothinge else and I found it puzzling that he (Oman) doesn't express any outright suspicion on me, it's more a defence of Pwanye if that makes sense - probably not. I guess if anything I over-reacted to Oman's original post
I've got my eye on pwayne because I found him defending Blackstrike more than anyone, asking Curious/Flame in 45 to not bully him, not use pressure votes to extract information. As far as pwayne not being the only one to defend Blackstrike again I'm being overly attacking towards him, I will say he was more defensive than anyone else but Oman, Volkan do both show support for him only after Tyhess votes Blackstrike for acting oddly. Oman then shows support, Trojan follows up straight after - more a following kinda post - similar to his one above, Volkan you then do so.volkan wrote:Does this mean that your basis for suspecting Pwayne is that he is opposed to bullying tactics? If so, why does that make him more likely to be scum?
Hence perhaps I'm being severly misguided on Pwayne's defensive nature, defensive players could just as likely be town/scum and without having any prior knowledge of meta-gaming of Pwayneunvote- after all I only re-read properly a couple of hours ago.-
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First off can everyone attempt when quoting other players to leave the person's name in the quote, it's hard for me to decipher who's speaking and also try not to mess the quote tags up, that messes with my head aswell. Preview works well. Thx.
Pwayne - it seems your a more defensive player than most, I wasn't attempting to misrepresent you but I felt whilst reading chronologically that you wanted to dissuade us from using pressure votes and applying usual tactics. I think it's more of a mis-understanding. I will say I've got myself into a slight pickle because of it, at least it generated discussion.
I've no real opinion on Tyhess' vote, it just strikes me as an easy place to lay his hat, not neccessarily scummy. I find ac1983's vote more scummy - yep he's defending me, but I feel in a way the wagon is valid, so I'm surprised ac1983 thinks its crap. Obviously I know it's crap but other players don't so it's a surprising comment, one that makes me think he's trying to buddy up to me and appear good if/when I die.-
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Re - ac1983fan. Put simply he needs to explain why he thinks the case on me is crap. I'd guess by the fact he's voting Tyhess he finds him scummier, hence he just needs to explain his thoughts on the Theo wagon.
My first thoughts as I stated before was that he's possibly scum buddying up to a townie under some scrutiny/votes. I obviously know I'm town but he cannot (no cop investigation what not) . . . so yeh he needs to share why the case is crap and why he feels the need to defend me so vigourously. After all I'm bigger enough and ugly to defend myself.-
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Volkan - Until ac1983 responds I ain't shifting my stance. As things stand he's my scum suspect number one. Day One I'd rather concentrate on one or two people than analyse and comment on everything going on, doing it only makes you night kill fodder.
Doesn't mean to say I'm not reading/digesting (ala the MoS situation) just that sometimes its better to listen than speak.-
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CKDog I may do but I find most of the lists completely pointless - a lot of them feel pretty flimsy. I'd rather concentrate on one or two people. I'll try and post my top three suspects say after I've re-read - but without ac1983's input I'm still gunning for him as number one scum suspect (It will irritate the hell out of me if he flakes without answering).-
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Yeh they're still very sketchy, weak, pointless even. So much fence sitting your butt must be hurting.tyhess wrote:Mastermind of Sin:He was the one that had a random vote on Page 4, which I thought was a littles scummish, but that has been explained as just not being there. I still don't like the vote, but I will give him the benefit of doubt (For now)
Oman:No read yet. I know it's late in the game, but I'm still going to wait him out.
ac1983fan:No read (obviously).....needs to post......possibly the cultist and just reading posts???? probably not, but possible
Dr. Blackstrike:I've been keeping my eye on the Doc since his original idea. Someone thought that his quick apology for the idea was good for him, but I think it made it even more suspicious.
curiouskarmadog:Nothing scummish imo yet.
pwayne66:Pro-town, imo
vollkan:Pro-town, imo
Trojan Horse:Interseting player. At times I have thought scum, but don't really have a real read on him yet.
Flameaxe:Same as Trojan Horse
White (r. Rump-Wat):Is posting A LOT. He says aggressive, and I'm starting to actually beelive him. He is doing the exact same thing in the other game I'm in with him. So either he's scum in both games, or that is his play style. For now I'll beleive him.....I think that as much talknig as he's doing has to be pro-town.
theopor_COD:Still my vote. Possibility to change quickly.
It's all either pro-town no reasons, maybe scum - maybe not. Infact completely pointless. What makes you think ac1983 may be cult out of interest? I was leaning much more towards mafia.-
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My underlining, is this despite your list of suspicion? And the fact your vote is on me.tyhess wrote:Seriously though theo wtf are you talking about.....I was starting to think that youmight be protown, but then you post this and no one else can figure out what your talking about??? With 10 other players, not counting you or myself, you would figure one of them would know what your talking about. Please explain.
As for the cult issue which everyone has gone ape at me over, Tyhess included, it was the fact Tyhess commented that the cultist knows that onlyother person wasn't town. When obviously there's two mafioso. Seems pretty stupid if your scum and can't remember how many of em they are, meh maybe I'm reading too much into it, Tyhess's play doesn't exactly deserve a pass does it.one-
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Bold is the bit for all of you so confused. Cult actually knows all but two are pro-town not one.tyhess wrote:theopor_COD wrote: What makes you think ac1983 may be cult out of interest? I was leaning much more towards mafia.
ac being cult goes with something I said earlier......I think that the culist would be acting more to find out the town (ie lurking) than a mafia would be,considering he knows that all but one person is protown.It's not a strong lead, because he might just have forgotten about this game, but that is why I see him as a potential cultist, and more so than scum.
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p.s whilst reading back this bugged me aswell
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Theo:A similar post from him would be helpful, but it doesn't seem all too necessary, as everyone's is basically pretty similar.Theo wrote: Does it not strike you as odd if they do?
So why evade mine Flameaxe?Flameaxe wrote: I'm not really a fan of him evading questions and such. Like I sort of said (indirectly if anything) it's not helping the town at all.-
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White - No. I ain't being forced into doing something. Deal with it. I'll post if and when I want too, I'd disagree that I'm being particularly unhelpful - fact is I think everyone's lists are a pile of shit. I've also looked at MoS's post and have no intention of joining his wagon . . . go read a whole host of MoS's games he's scum quite a lot, infact I think I must have played about 4 games with him and he's always scum . . . at this stage I don't find him to be overly scummy.
ac1983 needs to answer the question. I'm not letting him off the hook.
Tyhess no problems as I say your original post implied "cult" knew they was only one remaining non pro-town.-
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Ha, look I didn't mean to go overboard but I just don't feel like commenting with detail on 11 players.
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Scummy, newbish, looks town, lurker scum die scum, neutral.
I'd much rather we got some thoughts from Blackstrike, Flameaxe and ac1983 because all three are definately not in my looks town category at the moment.-
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This rubs me up the wrong way.White wrote:Seeing as we've got a deadline perhaps you could tell ushow you feel 2 days before the deadline so we can start to wagona guy and give time for a defence before lynching/changing wagons?
You seem to want me to post a case on someone and then hope it's good enough to get a wagon on em and kind of let me take the blame, in a weird way.
I'll post opinions on everyone tomorrow, I'll have a spare couple of hours.-
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How Dare You. I'm gonna OMGUS you to death.Oman wrote:Theo is being unhelpful (yes, you are) and simply a jerk. I don't see that as scummy anymore. I think he might just be a jerky town. it makes more sense for scum to be more "helpful".
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I'm gonna go A-Z because I like being different.
ac1983- Well what we can say. Appears late - not a great start, mind so do I and MoS.
Blackstrike is pro-town. Nothing else. Thoughts to come - his only comment is that Rump-Wat is kind of scummy. Rump struck me more a genuine noob than anything else. He was in one of my newbie games and did the old day one no-lynch so he's obv very inexperienced. Possibly looking to pick on an easy target.ac1983fan wrote:my only thoughts are that DRB is protown but flawed.
more tomorrow
Mind my main beef with him is this.
He's yet to say why the Theo wagon was so crap. As I say I obviously now its "crap" alignment wise, but his dissaperance/lurk since then makes me think he doesn't have an answer, and it was a case of scum buddying up to a townie wagon. (6 posts in 18 pages is also completely non pro-town)ac1983fan wrote:vote:tyhess
He was acting scummy a few pages back, then he comes in and slaps a badwagon vote on theo, which is a crap wagon.
FOS:Omanfor started the theo case (which is crap)Scumdar rating - 8/10.
Curiouskarmadog- I seem to always think this guy is town, so he's a cagey fella. Pushes against MoS early for his lack of appearance ignores me and ac1983, not that I find it scummy, just saddens me. Moves on to Tyhess but actively asks questions and pressures him. I like bullies get ppl talking involved.
His reaction to MoS wanting to exert pressure on him seems reasonable. Moves onto ac1983 "good vote". His list of suspicion has similar vibes to most, lurking ac, blackstrike and tyhess newbish scummy. I do like his opinion on MoS it sticks similar to mine. Anywayscuriouskarmadog wrote:I am not bullying you...I just want you to back up your vote, just like everyone else..scumdar rating - 3/10. He's pretty solid but as I say is a decent player so one to keep an eye.
Dr B- His second post still reads scummy to me but he is actively promoting discussion at an early stage which for a newb strikes me as a good sign. Quotes like this have me shaking my head mind but as I say it seems more silly than anti-town on reflection
Slings his vote onto Flameaxe. seems more OMGussy than anything else. Does likewise after my first post, and yeh I love broken records. Since then he's been on the lurk even admitted it's fun. I'd like to hear more content from the Doctor but overall he just seems kind of out of his depth more than anything.Dr. Blackstrike wrote:I would say that in this game, a townie lynch is almost as good as a scum lynch.Scumdar rating 5/10- Mainly due to his lurking and lack of content.
Flameaxe- Very active first few pages, where it was random and jokey stuff. Pulls Dr.B up about his cult/vanilla theories and what not, reasonably aswell it was scummy. Interesting . .
His defence with regard to lynching the vanillas tho seems pretty standard and I agreed with it whilst reading originally. Since then done a week or so of lurking, which isn't good but pops back to post his list. He still hasn't answered my question tho. Slings vote on Tyhess. I'm not feeling overly excited about Flame and would like some more of his early play to re-appear.Flameaxe wrote:(Oman can tell you I lurked my way to victory in N417. Haha I beat youScumdar rating 6/10. Mainly because I think he's capabale of much more scum hunting, which aside from pulling up Blackstrike has been in short supply.
Mastermind of Sin- As I say a fair bit of metagaming with MoS, I've played I think 4 completed games with him and 4 he's been scum, aside from Yos's destruction where the town screwed themselves with stupidity. He hasn't done anything overly scummy in my eyes, call it a defence or whatever but I feel he's pretty laid back and looking more to trap people than attack easy targets. Sticks up for Flameaxe and myself two early wagons, chances are I'd expect scum to want to look to attack and join big wagons than destroy em. He's since been attacked mainly by Oman for doing this and posted pretty logical reasons why he finds both myself and Flame not scummy. It's not like ac1983 shouting the Theo wagon is crap. I agree with his thoughts on posting styles. Moves on to Tyhess for his incredibly sketchy list. Concludes with painting one scum as attacking him and one sitting on the fence.Scumdar rating 3/10. Yep he's damn good player as scum aswell but genuinely I don't find him scummy. I'd add that I don't think Oman and White are scummy for going after him either.
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I apologise for my absence here these last two days, had a mare in real life, you'll be able to see I've not been posting anywhere so I'm not avoiding my list. Fact is I'm being asked to do similar re-reads in plenty of games - my advice is to quit posting so bleeding much. I'll try to catch up asap.-
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My opinion of ac1983/replacement hasn't changed. I still think AC's post back yonder and subsequent dissapearance is the biggest scum beacon out there, his replacement seems to be working through giving everyone a minor fos but I don't really see the same zest as when say White replaced in or compare it to Tar's introduction. Tar came in straight away slung a vote on . . . which to me indicates he's not bothered about attraction. Kakeng seems overly cautious mind maybe I should let him finish his read-through.
Trojan Horse is another guy who's slowly pricking my senses, reading his posts a lot of them seem to be fence sitting, he'll vote someone and then unvote. No real hardcore feelings almost as if he's in the know and is happy to play along with whatever's going down.-
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Fact is he made the original comment. Evaded answering the question and eventually lurked his way out of the game, no yep it may be due to some real life problem but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's scum flaked under pressure. Kakeng obviously cannot be held responisble for ac1983 but I cannot and will not let sleeping dogs lie over something which I think is the biggest scum slip so far . .Trojan Horse wrote:It's not a scum beacon at all. I was keeping an eye on him before he got replaced, since it was possible that he was paying attention and lurking on purpose (and keeping the mod informed of that).
p.s I'll read the rest of this crap later or tomorrow. I don't half hate long winded day ones. I'll also bet my bottom dollar one of the scumz is spewing a ton of rubbish to confuse us all.-
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Main scummy post - avoids the Theo wagon, say's its a crap wagon . . . why eh? why does he think it was a crap wagon.
Gets questioned over it, now maybe I'm being harsh but I cannot believe he didn't notice ppl asked the question of him, I think he simply didn't have an answer, next post was one implying he'd forgotten.ac1983 wrote:vote:tyhess
He was acting scummy a few pages back, then he comes in and slaps a badwagon vote on theo, which is a crap wagon.
FOS:Oman for started the theo case (which is crap) and this:
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Cult-looking list includes: CKD and tyhess (of course, it can only be one).
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Trojan. You answered your own question. But yeh both of the reasons fit nicely.
I think you've all game picked Tyhess, who to me seems an easy target. I haven't seen one jot of real curiousity, scum hunting whatever else as such I think there's a pretty good chance your scum. You've sidled up to ppl, agreed with em and done your best to try not to attract attention, take your quote to me as a reference point.
Trojan Horse wrote:I eagerly await theo's next post, as he completes his breakdown of all the players. Hope he doesn't think I'm too scummy.-
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Ha maybe.tyhess wrote:theo.....I see English words in your last post but I have absolutely no clue what they mean. Maybe I'm just reading it wrong, but it just doesn't seem to me like a coherent thought. A little confused right now. Not really sure who your talking to or anything like that.
And how long does it usually take for a reread? I would like to hear tar and kak's opinions.....
I'll make it clearer.
To Trojan - You've answered your question, both of your reasons fit.
Reasons why TH is likely scum.
Main target seems to be Tyhess. Who I think is an easy target.
No real curiousity
No scum hunting
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Not even ac/kakeng?Trojan Horse wrote:I see nothing in anyone else worth lynching over. You'd have quite a time trying to convince me to lynch someone other than these four.
Trojan Horse wrote:I went back and looked at where acfan was questioned about this post. Perhaps I should've done that sooner; for a while, I was just looking at acfan's posts (using the "show acfan's posts" option) without looking at each one in context. Okay. Now I see why you're suspicious of acfan and his replacement. He made this comment, then was questioned about it, then vanished. Hmm...
Okay. I'll raise acfan/Kakeng's scummy level a notch. But just a notch.-
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Trojan at the minute my top two suspects are you and Kakeng by a country mile.
You seem to be digging a bigger hole for yourself with every post
Kakeng well hasn't done anything of note to erase my earlier suspicions of ac1983.
Would actually like to hear from our replacements who've offered very little.-
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You've been here two weeks and as yet have not produced anything of note. I've already made clear why I thought Ac1983 was scum you have done very little to dispel that notion perhaps you could at least give some thoughts on the 36 pages, analysis you know and the like. Just popping in to say your here frankly isn't all that helpful.-
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That's one big strike down for him yes. Secondly Kakeng's been completely useless since he replaced in. AC's lurking and dissapearance doesn't help much either.
Blackstrike although slighlty foolish didn't strike me as anywhere near scummy, I may be wrong but hey that's opinions for you. Tar meh hasn't put much effort in but I'd feel safer calling him town than Kakeng - seperately I don't know how much relevance I'd take of vanilla claims at this point.-
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How is he?vollkan wrote:Tar is a known vanilla.
He could be a power role claiming vanilla.
He could be cult leader claiming vanilla.
He could be scum claiming vanilla.
He is not at this stage aknownvanilla as you say or whoever it was say. He just claims to be ditto Kakeng. I think both claims should be taken with a pinch of salt and we should lynch the scummiest person around, the person most likely to be mafia or cult and for me that's Kakeng.-
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