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How Dybeck reacts to his crippled case on dybeck... huh... either thats a typo or I am going to run into some odd shit when I finish reading his novel... Either way... I will try my best to get through it tonight and post something...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Oh geeze... I think I got up to day two before falling asleep... Man... Long game this is...
I even thought I had taken notes in my little black book... lets see if I can find it...
"Dear Diary,
Today Jenny Logan put a frog down my pan-"
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wrong book...
Ok I thought I could maybe do a little input by reading from when these Dybeck/Oman bandwagons started, yet... That seems to be like... I don't know... Probably right after day 2 started... So It might take me a bit longer then expected to get up to speed...
Uh... so... theres a small chance I won't be able to actually post my thoughts tonight... Not cause I'm lurking or anything, mostly cause I actually have to get ready for work in the morning and I don't know... sleep... I hope ><
So... yeah... I'll read as much as I can, expect something in the morning or at the latest tomorrow... sorry.. I'm only human ^^' .... I think...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Ok I'll give a little comment on the goings on right now, still haven't gotten up to snuff with the full thread yet though...
From what I have read/understand theres some big Orig discussion. The way I see it is, if he is mafia, then the actual Vig will kill him tonight. if he is a vig, then he has a chance to kill a mafia tonight. So either way it looks to me a good idea to keep him alive... But I may change my mind come another... 400 posts under my belt... ^^'It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Oh oh oh..Unvote:My bad >.>
Then again... there is also a possibility come tomorrow there are two less mafia... We could go ahead and lynch the vig meaning we are guaranteed to be short two town and still have the... what is it? Three? Mafia... Its 3 right... I just seems odd to me that anyone would think killing a town power role would be a good choice right now...Elias_the_thief wrote:But my point is that by allowing Orig to live, it allows for an almost certain nonmafia lynch tomorrow (assuming he is SK/Vig). At least that's how I see it. I mean, what do we do tomorrow when he isnt dead, and we have two nks to worry about the next night?It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Ok I'm done for the night... Tired and stuff...
But I feel I should give what I have now, that way I A) Don't forget them, and B) You guys can just answer them now instead of waiting until I get to it come page 38 or so...
Big Issue:
As of this very second... I would vote Volkan based on three of his past posts I find/deem weird and/or suspicious. Note that not being caught up means I may be missing something and this should in no way be taken as my official opinion... just my thoughts as of now...
First in Post 487, He lists his "Mafioso list" he goes on to say he leaves off Orig and AlyG because of roleclaims. I can agree with this... What I cannot agree with is him saying "Shaft.ed appears protown so I will not consider him for a lynch" And then follow it up by concluding "So 3 out of the 5 on the list are the mafia!"
I cannot overlook someone trying to push another's innocents by conveniently overlooking them. There is no reason not to suspect Shaft.ed... at least none I see... You may concider him protown, think he is protown, have strong feelings, blah blah blah, but to make a scum list and not put on people you have no PROOF of being town... means you are trying to cover them up in some way...
Result: I find this to be a logical reason to think about a Volkan/Shaft.ed/ (Orig or AlyG) partnership... This by no means is proof of guilt, but I would like some explanation before I start narrowing my whole reread focus on Volkan... That can be way dangerous and I won't hurt us by not being up to full speed ><
Next issue...
Post 544,
HELLO? OTHER TOWN PLAYERS? HOW CAN YOU HAVE COMPLETLY OVERLOOKED THIS?Volkan wrote:I raised the option of an AlyG lynch, as I said, to see what people though. By that, of course, I meant that I was interested to see who supported it. Again, shaft.ed, you have taken the pro-town option, whereas Oman has, again, supported something on a dodgy basis. I have done this also, which was why I raised the AlyG thing, to see the extent of what Oman would support.
The fact that Orig is supporting Dybeck's lynch is a little perturbing to me. If Dybeck is SK, then his death is going to mean the end of Orig.
*cries blood*
How can the excuse "I voted player X just to see who would also vote him! Actually voting him is scummy! So lets lynch the person who agreed with me!" fly... How come Volkan is still alive? Why did this last an additional ... 20 odd pages... ???!?!?!?! Is there a logical answer later on? Did I miss something? What?
Now I'm not saying the excuse "I want to see how fast someone would bandwagon" or "I want to see how fast someone would switch votes" or something similar means anything bad, I'm saying the excuse Volkan used in this post seems like something a scum would say to throw a "Bandwagon" he started onto the shoulder's of someone else... It seems like either a frame up, or a cover up...
Also a bit more of that Shaft.ed is town stuff from Volkan... still not anything plausible, but seeing a pattern over and over is something I like to run with...
Last Issue:
Getting tired.. one last thing I would like cleared up...
Post 601,
now take post:Volkan wrote:Yes, I knew what you meant. I don't think he should kill even if he is the vig.
...grr.....ahhh.....GAW... finally... Took me a while to find again...
Post: 512
... Now... granted... its an 80 post difference... and shafted does make a good case against a vig night kill... It's just that seeing as how I seem to have other cases against him, I feel it best to get answers to any thing I find, and such an obvious contradiction deserves an answer...Volkan wrote:Orig wrote:
And: If you guys want me to, I could just not kill someone tonight (but only if we misslynch, otherwise there's no reason for me not to)
No; you should kill...just be careful.
Again this proves nothing... But I still think I should get it answered BEFORE I continue reading... Otherwise I may begin limiting my search to Volkan and his actions... which, as previously stated, would mean I come into the game as a disadvantage to the rest of the town...
Also, just a note before I log...
Why do you guys keep doing the 6-3-1, and IF vig blank, if not vig blank, if mafia blank, etc... OVER AND OVER AND OVER... *hour*... AND OVER... I get that knowing odds can help, and knowing all outcomes means we can make better choices, but come on... IF you keep ONLY doing that you don't actually DO anything... and then you find yourself on page 43 with over 1000 posts and no closer to a lynch then when you started...
Ok I will continue my read up again tomorrow... Man I didn't think it would take me so long... *hangs head*It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Cool... Glad I can cross all that off my list... Well back to reading...
And... that was probably the most weird and suspicious thing I have ever read... wait.. don;t think about it.. catch up first.. right...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Well... I actually wasn't going to read anything right now.. I have all weekend off so tonight/tomorrow morning is all about this game! *Raises flag*
But... I have time.. so into Oman's brain I go!
It smells in here... >.>
Ok role fishing... I see he says that rolefishing is in a sense bad... so far so good... oh... Ok... Well... Being as how I HAVE to look at it as if I said it...
"Well, if he can prove himself, then we let him live. He proves himself to us N1 and we know for sure that he is said powerrole."
seems oddly worded to me for some reason... but I think it means "Come day two, if he has done his job (Whatever it was) And can prove it tomorrow then he lives.)
I don't see why anyone would say that... But, because of the wording, thats all I can think it means...
"No, I don't buy that. Info helps town, no matter what. It might help the mafia to some degree, but most of the time, the town will benefit."
I would have to defend his statement by saying that either A) The info he is talking about is not (Generally) about power roles or B) He is talking about an already claimed role and thus the more info the more likely the town will believe it. I mean once you claim, your pretty much on the mafia hot spot, so your best choice is to prove to the doc you are who you say you are and thus can survive the night... Unless your the doc and then... yeah... night night...
As for "Not feeling" um... that is exactly the type of little tiny worthless infoIwould use to attack someone... So the only way I know how to defend against it is by saying it is worthless/meaningless, everyone uses words, blah blah blah...
If I had to actually think about it... I would say that it could be Oman doing the whole "Skim and paraphrase thing" But that isn't as strong as if I were to say Oman posted first and it was Dybeck who rephrased it... It could be chalked up to the fact that Oman had just read up to that point and the wording was stuck in his head... or something... I don't know...
Next, the Ryan issue... Personally I played a game with him before where he more or less didn't defend himself... although I was one of the mafia that killed him so it might have just been me being awesome! Although, in this instance, Oman does seem to have been confused at what he had said. I agree, Ryan said "Instead of not scum hunting, why don't you do some scum hunting!" and Oman must have misunderstood him.
On a side note: what is the exact meaning of Ad Hominem? I think I tried to look it up in the Wiki once and either didn't find it or have forgot it... I know it means something along the lines of flaming or a personal attack... I just want to know the limitations, and bordering lines to it... also exact definition ><'
And now we get to the point where I reveal... when I began to read this thread I had convinced myself Oman most likely to get my vote when I finished.. and wouldn't you know... I get the PM and bam... I am Oman... great... I agree with you, he has got to be paranoid or something... Cause I personally see no reason he played the way he did... but I will try to create him an excuse.. here we go...
um...
He was stupid?
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Seriously, two things here. A) He could still be confused about Ryans original statement and thus he sees it as Ryan trying to "lie" about what he said. and B) I personally know for a fact the best way to piss Ryan off into making mistakes is to mess with him... so If I honestly believed him to be mafia I would do anything to get him under pressure... Granted I did not see him as mafia and I do not agree with Oman's actions... just something to think about....
So theres my look into Oman's brain.... I would not be surprised if none of this convinces you about anything, and I would not be against votes based on Oman's actions, but I will right now tell you I am town, and logically, with three vanilla's down... I mean... I think my avy says it all... >.> <.<
what?
I didn't say anything... stop looking at me...
Promise to finish my read ASAP and get into the game as fast as I can... Especially seeing as how the deadline is drawing near...
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Oops... Ok well I had completely forgotten that the new rule twelve also included noSMALLtext I thought it only had no invisible... so:
sorry... I need to remember to not take my jokes so far as to actually break rules... Can I just get a warning this time or something? No need to kill me for this right... All fixed now... *hides under bed*Korlash wrote:Disclaimer: Oman takes no credit for the above excuses posted in the preceding. It is the sole right and property of Crap-Logic Korlash and due to his inability to logically get his point across should be ignored. Any advice given by the above named source should be ignored. posts by the above named are illegal in Maine, Wisconsin, Georgia, Europe, and half of the Indian Ocean. If you witness any posts of this nature or know of someone who has you are strongly advised to lock yourself in your room with nothing but a can of Redbull and a bag of Doritos and call your local authorities and tell them "Someone stole my toilet and I have nothing to go on..."It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Actually I said " I didn't say anything... stop looking at me... "
And be careful... I don't think now is a good time to start any sort of role "fishing" now, be it to fish my role, warn me not to say it, or even to try and confuse the mafia by throwing them off the scent... I claimed town, then said I was hungry for ice cream... Leave it at that until I get caught up... Unless your trying to start a WIFOM situation here that only forces me to abandon my reading and instead put all effort into the here and now...
And define Ellipsises... do you mean Parenthesis? Cause if not I have no idea what your talking about... heck even now I still don't...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Like I care what you think... of how I post...
look, Me claiming town is pretty much the only defense I have for Oman's bad playing, so thats what I did......................................
And claiming vanilla is THE BEST THING i can do as town,
A) I don't have to give up my actual role. (Provided I have one)
B) It means I am less likely to be night killed by the vig and/or mafia, meaning if I actually do have a role it is not in jeopardy.
and C) It is a very hard thing for anyone, town or mafia, to disprove.
And whether you like it or not, you bringing up how me claiming vanilla is bad for town is the first step to make me either actually claim, or admit to having a power role. Take the whole Dr. BS (laughs) thing. He said something, people jumped on it, forcing him to say he doesn't actually claim something, which is then used against him later.
If you were actually protown there vollkan you shouldn't be so worried about someone claiming vanilla. We are down 3 vanilla already, thus, theoretically, every single one of us town left could have a power role. (Provided the mafia also got one) Stop trying to kill off a viable defense for an unknown power role.
Now where was I...
Hmm...
Can't remember...
Look... Dots...
d..o..t..s.. O.o
And just so you know, I'm surprised out of you three Orig is the smartest... really I am... honestly... really... truly... I... am... Although he still is dumb as a rock isn't he... Man... You guys are worse then Streeflo at getting jokes
And if it bothers you guys THAT much I will agree to stop with my trademark dots if you never do another number crunching again. Is it worth it to you? Think carefully here... (Just to piss you off <3)It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Actually I was replacing a guy that all game seemed to me the best choice for a lynch. And, seeing as how Gemelli asked me to try and explain Oman's actions I did. But I cannot speak for him, so I ended it with I am town as my last and only real "explanation" (I sometimes replace this word with defense just so you know Vollkan. I only say this cause I know the next time I do your going to ram it down my throat three or four times that its 'not a viable defense! blah blah blah')
And why would you want me to stop with the dots? They should in no way hinder the game, pressure you, danger town in anyway, make my posts that much more messy. I mean its TWO EXTRA DOTS FOR ****'s sake... <see! In fact it should make it easier to read by putting additional space between sentences allowing your eyes and brain to better take it all in. But to each his own. I told you I am willing to stop if you do, and I doubt it will be to long before you do another number crunch and then its back to dotdotdot every two sentences. Can't wait!
And I shouldn't have to claim anything in the future. (Provided I am just an ordinary towny)
Orig who says I'm lying? Who says I'm telling the truth. I'm not dumb enough to claim ANYTHING other then simple town before I read every post my predecessor made.
And, just because I would rather post then read I will illustrate a few simple scenarios for you.
SCENARIO ONE:
First, I just made an argument about Vollkan's "AlyG blah blah Oman blah blah scum would act blah blah" Excuse he made. Seeing as how his point was against Oman (Me) I feel that me, trying out what he calls a "strategy" against him, would make sense in me understanding the way it worked and if there was any viable claim in its use. If this is the case, I think I would have gotten the exact response I would have wanted, which is Vollkan to respond to it. Now I find this scenario hard to believe, or do I? Who knows. I won't say one way or another.
Main points I expect Vollkan to come back at me over this:
1) "It's nothing like what I did!"
2) "I never called it a strategy, I said 'Technique'! stop putting words in my mouth scum!"
3) "How would you know I would be the one to respond? Your just trying to make an excuse!"
4) "My responce is not scummy! It is blah blah not protown blah blah what you did... etc!"
Prerecorded response to each of these:
1) I could argue similarities and you could argue differences all day, big point, if you just throw this scenario out the window without thinking it over for a second, you prove (TO ME!) that what you did was BS and thus I will not just simply forget about what you did to Oman (Me) and I will not drop my case against you.
2) I swap similar words sometimes, sue me. Defense and excuse cansometimes(Key word) mean the same thing. I also think technique and strategy are similar enough to be used to replace each other once. I am not trying to put words in your mouth (even though I am trying to predict the future ^^)
3) How did you know Oman was going to respond? Perhaps it was a trap to catch anyone and you just fell into it. *shrugs*
4) I have not said my views on your actual response (in this post at least) thus I do not claim it to be scummy or pro town.
SCENARIO TWO:
Perhaps, I (as town, call me newb if you want. call me stupid, call me a free thinker, call me on my cell phone) did not think that claiming town was a bad thing. I mean, don't we all claim town, without even saying it? Who would not say they were town? "I'm not town! Don't lynch me!" probably won't fly. Also, Note that I did see claiming vanilla as a not so good thing, thus I did not come right out and say it. I hinted at it, I also hinted at the same time to being a power role, yet you conveniently left that part out. So, all in all, all I did was tell you guys I am town so that you might go easy on me over what Oman did pre-me.
Main points I expect Vollkan to come back at me over this:
1) "How can you not see that claiming vanilla is a bad thing?"
2) "If you thought claiming vanilla was not a good thing why did you do it?"
3) "Where did you claim power role?"
4) "Why even claim anything? You were not in danger/under pressure!"
Prerecorded response to each of these:
1) well, while it may bring pressure towards me and a vote or two, no town would lynch someone for claiming vanilla townie. So by doing it you are mostly guaranteed to not be NKed AND not be lynched. So I think, coming in right now, not being lynched or NKed would benefit me so I can catch up.
2) I didn't do it. I only said "my avy says it all." Where in that sentence do you see the words "I, am, or vanilla townie"?
3) "...and logically, with three vanilla's down..." To me, this should set off red flags. Logically, three VTs down, more chance to be a power role! Does me not claiming a power role incriminate me as much as me not claiming Vanilla townie Vollkan? Should I just go ahead and claim Mafia and let you and your scum partners win? [/sarcasm]
4) I claimed town for two reasons. 1) I had just come from trying to defend/excuse Oman's stupidity. So I wanted to clarify that I was actually town. And 2) it opened up me "not claiming vanilla or power role" leaving me to agree with whatever Oman said he was. (Such as if on page 30 he said he was a vanilla townie I would not have contradicted that, while if he had said he was a power role, hinted he was, or actually claimed something, Doc/Cop/RB/Vig etc, I could continue that.)
And I know someone will bring it up so don't take that as me saying "I am mafia and I needed to know what lie Oman said!!!!"
Don't tell me a vanilla townie wouldn't hint at a power role so he had a chance of being the NK instead of the actual role. At the same time don't tell me a power role would not say vanilla if asked/forced to claim.
Another Scenario?
Perhaps I am just a village idiot as you called me, you moron, (I can take a few insults, but expect them back eventually. You don't make friends by name calling! Tsk tsk!) and made a simple newbie mistake!
No. I am fully confident what I did was in no way anti-town or pro-mafia. It may not be full blown BEST FOR TOWN, but it is a GOOD FOR ME in the end. And, while I care about the town, I am not reading 43 F***ing pages just to be F***ing NKed by the damn Vig.
Main points I expect Vollkan to come back at me over this:
1) "How is this GOOD FOR YOU?"
2) Why would you do anything that was not best for town?"
3) "So you are not afraid to be killed by the mafia?"
4) "How does this make you a sure win for not being lynched?"
Prerecorded response to each of these:
1) Its good on these points:
a) I can confirm whatever Oman said, b) I have officially claimed "Town!" If you tell me how this is bad(As in either a scum tell, or a surefire way to be lynched/NKed) for me I will vote myself. and c) I already told you how I THINK it makes it less likely I am killed.
2) Because, sometimes, it is a lot better to sacrifice the RB/Vig to protect someone else. Not to mention I am modest and think I am best for town being left alive.
3) No. I have no fear that you will kill me tonight Vollkan. I think you would much rather kill off Orig. and if not that, I guarantee you would kill off Shaft.ed just in case the VIg kills one of your partners You look completely innocent tomorrow. Killing me tonight would stop me being a good candidate for a lynch tomorrow.
4) You seem to think its suspicious yet no vote. Orig agrees yet no vote. Elias didn't even comment on it so no vote. See a pattern? This one little detail did not net me a single vote. Thus, no pressure, no fear of a lynch, and above all some active discussion so you all get to know me. I hate unknowns and, even with all of Oman's comments, I am still somewhat unknown to you guys as I play differently, and do not have all the answers he did.
So there you have it... Three very likely scenarios. I left off two that I thought of that involved me being mafia simply because I am not mafia so I personally do not see them as being possible. You are more then welcome to illustrate them yourself and I will post-record a response to it later.
Oh and before you ask, this post was not because I felt pressured. It was all in responce to:
I feel I have fully answered his question, Sorta. And, Provided Vollkan does not come at me again with another lame(To me at least) reason/attack against me I will not be posting until I have fully caught up! YAY!Originality wrote:Why bring it up at all? You were in absolutely zero pressure.
Till then, peace!It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Two things:
If it means nothing why did you make such a big deal about it in the first place? Wouldn't it have just been better to ignore it and move on?Vollkan wrote:1. It does not clarify that you are town in any way shape or form. All you have done is say "I am town".
You, Orig, and either Shaft.ed or dybeck. still deciding on the third... Shaft.ed seems to have the links, but Dybeck has the distancing factor working with his obvious scumminess. hmmm, I would rather Lynch the most likely mafia, Orig, today, take you out tomorrow, and hope either shaft.ed or Dybeck are Nked or gain new evidence for/against them by day four.Vollkan wrote:So you think I am mafia? With who?Note that this may change when I have fully finished reading.
On a side note I enjoyed that equation, I needed the laugh!It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Yeah. I think...
I guess your not much of a joke person there Vollkan. This could be damaging to me later on seeing as half the stuff I say are jokes.
Also whats FTR? And while I'm at it.. is HoS the same as FoS?It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Really. Seems odd to me to have so many XoSs and only one actual Vote! shouldn't there be like a stronger version of vote?
(Psst... that was a joke BTW!)It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Wow... Thats pretty odd.
I won't try and defend myself, your claims are justified. Just try putting yourself in my position. In the 30 odd pages I did read before posting that, Oman had been playing very shitty in my opinion. I have no idea what the hell he might have said. For all you know I could be the Doc and there might have been a false claim day two that Oman spoke up about. For all I know he may have let something slip about being a vanilla towny in a post that was overlooked. He may have even claimed to be the Vig at some point. I didn't mean to say he might have lied about his role, I meant to imply I didn't know if he had claimed yet, and if he didn't I don't want to claim it either. So I tried to be as vague as possible.
And for the last time I did not claim vanilla... I hinted at it and the fact that two of my top three suspects are hounding me on it seems to make me think I am on the right path.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Ok first things first, the comment about lynching Orig has changed a bit since I posted it. The reason for which I originally thought it has changed, and I no longer think that way. (I already told you guys I have not been fully caught up yet)
That being said I think he is either the Vig or mafia and I won't say which i think is more likely.
Now to the good part.
*clears throat*
If you guys can find me one post where I said "I am claiming vanilla in this post 100% right here!!!" or something to that degree of claim then by golly you might be on to something. But unless you can do that, My theory of a Vollkan, Shaft.ed, Dybeck trio is embedded in my mind.
You guys quickly come off of Oman's leave by taking a false statement against me and attacking me with it over and over and over and over...
Hello? i thought you were smarter then that. My sentence clearly showed I was counting Orig as the lynch, thus there was no way in HELL he could have been NKed. And at that time I was assuming Vollkan was mafia and you two were town, killing you guys (The ones I consider his most ally like) would throw all suspicion off of him. So, to answer your question, no. Unless Orig is left alive I have no fear you or dybeck will be NKed because your my pick for scum.Shaft.ed wrote:EBWOP: And I really enjoyed the part about NK'ing me or dybeck. Especially when we've discussed ad nauseum about how likely orig is to be NK'd today. Do you have any reason to belive me or dybeck are likely to be NK'd?
And yeah, an hour of reading your guy's crap can change a lot thank you very much.
I have already answered as to why i never actually said it, it's not my fault you don't agree with me. It is your fault you keep ignoring the fact I never actually said it though...
And my statement about how claiming vanilla was best for me in no ways proves I claimed it. It does give you a reason why i hinted at it so strongly, so if you got the impression I claimed it then yay it worked! However I do not see townies pushing this hard on something like this, especially seeing as how your claim is false. So I would much rather ask you why you three think it's such a good idea to make up lies about me this late in the game?
And I am 100% sure the town (Not you three) will regret my death. But hey, I am willing to die today. When you guys see I'm town, one of you gets NKed from the Vig and we still have a good chance of winning. I just don't think my death is necessary when we could take one of you out today and be done with it tomorrow.
As for not having seen Oman claim anything THANK YOU! That would be so helpful if you save me the god **** trouble and just say stuff like that. I mean if I say something like "I am going to read 1100 posts to see if a guy ever said this!" all you guys have to do is say "nope he never said it" and we could move on... But nooo... you have to make up lies about me instead.
So in general, I hinted at vanilla, you guys said claiming vanilla was bad, I explained that I believed claiming vanilla would be good for me (Note didn't actually do it), and you guys continue your obvious lies! I admit, my "not claim" may have been unneeded. But I felt it was an easy way to sum up "Don't kill me because of Oman! I may be vanilla but I may also be a role!"
And as for "huge scumtell in itself. " can you blame me for wanting to live after reading all this shit? I mean I come in read 1000 posts and am then lynched... do you think I would ever replace in a game again? I don't... thats totally gay...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Man... Am I the only one who sees this? This cannot be another towny twisting my words so much...
First,Korlash wrote:Ok first things first, the comment about lynching Orig has changed a bit since I posted it. The reason for which I originally thought it has changed, and I no longer think that way. (I already told you guys I have not been fully caught up yet)
I TOLD YOU I HAVE CHANGED MY GOD **** OPINION ABOUT LYNCHING ORIG! Stop ignoring what I say and trying to attack me with arguments like that. I hope to God that when the other townies actually put in some new input they can see through your scheme here. And if you use the argument "i just wanted to judge your reaction" I might just quit like Oman did. I am reacting just like anyone would, by getting pissed at how badly your twisting my words.shaft.ed wrote: So, since you state originality is mafia if scum, please explain how lynching originality is an efficient use of the town's lynch today.
As for this same thing you keep bringing up, I gave you my explanation of just hinting at it. If you really were a good townie you would have accepted that I either made a mistake or whatever you think claiming vanilla would be and let it go. But noooo, you have to ignore all my reasons and keep pushing that "I claimed without reason!" I had reason, explained it, I did not claim, explained it, and yet you ignore my explanations, scummy thing to do.
Vote: Shaft.ed
i never voted Vollkan because I felt it seemed to OMGUSish, not to mention i had not been fully set on you three being the scum. Now that I am I feel we get rid of you, hope Orig is smart enough to kill one of the actual Mafia, and lynch the last one tomorrow. But... Because I am pissed off, and thus biased, I am willing to hear from a player I think is town on their opinion of your actions, and my reactions. I would hate to either be wrong/be lynched today with my vote based (even jsut a little) on my feelings toward the player I am voting.
*tries to calm down*It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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because I did not claim. I tried to hide the fact I was in fact a power role and you three seem bent on trying to "weed out" weather I really an vanilla or not. Have fun with that. I could care less if I die tonight or not, we already have the three mafia so this game should be a town win.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Wow.. you voted me twice in one post... nice...
And I have pointed out where your guy's arguments about me are false, and where you are throwing out (I guess they are not so much lies as they are misinterpretations you will not accept my reasons for) those things that I no longer feel the need or have the energy to do it again. If the real town cannot see through your facade then we have no hope.
And wooooo... yet again I did not-"claim" my feelings on Orig and so you twist my words into saying "I am unconvinced if Orig is vig or mafia!" *sigh* if your not going to actually read a full sentence I type just tell me now and I will periodically leave words out of so that you wont have to read and it will make better to you. < that was a joke.. I know you cannot fathom them so I feel the need to point that out.
Going through the lists of reasons why your vote against me is bogus:
Your first vote was placed on me after you claimed "I was undecided on how I feel about orig" Because of that I assume you placed the vote because that piece of evidence threw me into vote range. So I will disprove that bit and assume it should throw me back into "Not so much vote range"
You kinda skipped the fact I hinted here that I felt one of them more likely to be then the other. Care to take a guess on which side I was leaning? No? i felt not. Wouldn't want you to see how dumb you are. Moving on...Korlash wrote:That being said I think he is either the Vig or mafia andI won't say which i think is more likely.
False claims: (This list is probably incomplete because I am tired... but here we go.. in no specific order also...)
Vollkan wrote: Korlash himself contradicts this because he himself is unconvinced as to whether Orig is vig or mafia.shaft.ed wrote:So, since you state originality is mafia if scum, please explain how lynching originality is an efficient use of the town's lynch today.Vollkan wrote:Your avatar says "100% vanilla". 'Nuff said.Shaft.ed wrote:But Korlash's subsequent comments have made it clear that he was trying to claim vanilla:Shaft.ed wrote:So you're in a position where you suspect Oman may have claimed something that is not your role. Is it me or does the most logical conclusion stemming from this statement seem to be that you are mafia?Vollkan wrote:Why on earth did you just claim vanilla?!Vollkan wrote:Korlash, it is not role-fishing for me to tell you not to claim vanilla. Any player with a grain of sense would do exactly the same thing.Vollkan wrote:You claimed vanilla. I don't care if it is genuine or not and I have no intention of pursuing any further, but you should know that claiming vanilla when you are not under pressure of lynch is incredibly anti-town.Vollkan wrote: And if you don't have a role it means that the scum are more likely to hit a power role.Vollkan wrote:a) If you are vanilla, it means that the scum know that you are safe not to NK and have a higher likelihood of hitting a power role.
b) If you are a power role, it draws attention onto yourself which can result in suspicion which can result in forced claim, which just flags you to the scum.Originality wrote:Why bring it up at all? You were in absolutely zero pressure.Vollkan wrote:No. I knew precisely what you meant. My point is that it is no defence/explanation/excuse/justification/whatever word you want to use to simply claim vanilla and then suggest we all move on.Vollkan wrote:It is inherently anti-town when done prematurely (as yours was).Vollkan wrote:Claiming a power role would be idiotic, but it would not be incriminating. I would be pissed as all hell if you did that, because that can only help the scum, but it would not incriminate you.Vollkan wrote:The fact remains that you had no reason to claim vanilla.Vollkan wrote:Surely you realise that your priority should be helping the town, not ensuring your own survival.Vollkan wrote:b) It is bad for town if you are telling the truth about being vanilla because:
I) Scum will NK elsewhere and will likely hit a powerrole
II) You may have now drawn suspicion onto yourself and not onto scum
Those are my biggest issue ATM... Each one has a small part, or a large part, or the whole thing that I disagree with. Please do not point out which of these is obviously not false, or try and put words into my mouth here. If you want to know why i disagree with a specific one ask, and then I will explain. Then, you will be able to point out where I may be mistaken, and where My argument may have a flaw in it.Vollkan wrote:2) I would prefer to keep a RB/Vig over a modest vanilla you any day.
I also want to point out two more pieces here and explain now:
This was actually my biggest issue over half of the time we have been arguing, yet I never remembered to bring it up. and I feel like saying it now won't help my case, but it may explain why I have been so adamant in my defense/attack.Shaft.ed wrote: I never tried to weed out whether or not you're a powerrole.
I am town, It means nothing to you, it proves nothing, but to me it means I am 100% sure I am town. So, when I "hint," or even 'semi-claim" if you want, at any role (Mafia, vanilla, power role) the mafia can in no way know what I am talking about. So, when a person or persons push me up against the wall saying my claim hurt the town, it made me feel like those people were trying to either get me to admit I had a role, or to further admit I was vanilla. If the mafia knew either of these then of course your arguments made sense. If they were sure I was vanilla they would know who to hit for a cop/doc likeliness. So I found it scummy you guys kept pushing my "claim" no matter how many times I tried to defend myself/ say I did not claim. Thus I called it role fishing earlier and just recently said you were trying to weed me out. Whether or not this was your intention you cannot deny that the more we talked about it the more likelihood that I actually claimed and thus gave the mafia info. As of right now I am still pretty much an unknown and thus still a gamble for a NK. Could be good, could be bad. keep pushing and I know it will be bad.
Secondly:
Shaft.ed wrote: it's distracting from scum hunting.
I feel I have been scum hunting the whole time. And I also think I may have found three scum. So, while you seem to want to make it very clear I am the one keeping us from scum hunting, You yourself could very much go on and question others and me at the same time. I mean I cannot be held responsible the others are not posting. I find it odd Originality and Elias and AllyG and Lucienne and Gemelli are not actively participating in this. So it is not totally my fault no "scum hunting" is being done aside from what I am doing. Perhaps if you focused more on them and the same on me (or even less... But you don't have too) some additional hunting would get done.Shaft.ed wrote:You have hurt us by distracting from scum hunting.
Theres a little bit of a summary of my thoughts. All put together. I should in fact go back and highlight my own too, but I feel some of what I said no longer applies (Due to reread) plus I hate incriminating myself..so, ehh... you guys can if you want.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Wow that was totally great... good job in not telling me which ones are not false and where I was wrong. Thanks for not putting words in my mouth. Real brilliant.
Oh and a numbers crunching nice...
Well I don;t have the time to point out the follies or my opinions right now, i will after work. until then do try and not be an asshole... thanks...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Ok, now that I finally have some time to sit down...
First things first,
I am pretty sure I told you guys that at the time I posted my "claim" I did not see it as being bad for town. I personally do not see how a vanilla claim should bring suspicion on me (at least I didn't then, I do now.) So when people began to say that I was being bad for town I took it as if they were using a BS case against me. After the 2 or so pages of talk I see their point, and so I feel no more need to discuss it. I was wrong to say it and now that I know I will be more careful in future games. And because I know I was wrong discussing it only puts me more and more into scum zone.What bothers me about this post, though, is that you seem unwilling to discuss vollkan/shaft.ed's basic premise, which is that a premature vanilla hint or claim is bad for the town.
And I am ok with that. I just don't like people to say it's my fault no scum hunting is being done when I feel I am doing my part, yet no one else seems to be. Again, I am a person without as much background knowledge you guys have s everything that just happened was my first real read at Shaft.ed and Vollkan, which is why I think of myself actively scum hunting.I can't speak for anyone else, but I have limited access on weekends (see my sig). The fact that this weekend ran three days was unplanned. Sorry about that.
@ Dybeck: Do you plan on ever posting anything of substance or are you just hoping everyone will forget about whatever was going on before I came here? I can understand your vote on me, but I would like some reason as to why.
@ Lucienne: I honestly cannot rememeber the last time you posted... well... anything at all. With the deadline coming up I would hope you could make time, but I a not fully aware of your circumstances so I could be sounding like an Ass right now. I would just appreciate some input so I am not just going in circles with the same two guys all the time.
Lets say, hypothetically, I am the Doc. How would my death in anyway help the town's win condition? I could save one of the two known roles we have seen today from a NK. My death today could actually spell town's defeat. (Sorta. Depends on the Vig here.)This sets off red flags for me. Pro-town players should be willing to sacrifice themselves if doing so advances the town's win condition. Granted, with three town players down, ANY town death is a bad thing, but I still see your tactics as motivated by self-interest.
Now lets say I am the Cop. Being the cop I would of course be a valuble asset on day three. (Two people known. Provided they are still alive.) again, seeing as how there is no real chance of me being NKed from the mafia (Because two others are already claimed) how can my death today benefit town? (sure we will still have the Doc, but it's still kind bad for town.)
Now say I am a vanilla towny. If we lynch me, we lose a town and the mafia do not lose anyone, if I am NKed by vig we of course loose two townies tonight. and if I am NKed by mafia well... Then it is pretty much a sure thing every other towny has a role and so it could very well lead to a he said she said claim-a-thon tomorrow.
So in no way is my death going to help the town's win condition (Unless I am mafia. Which I am not, but it is th other possibility.)
You can also get in to the fact I could very well be the vig or tracker and have chosen not to speak up about it. But if that is the case then I wouldn't mind dying to disprove their claim. So I suppose you can almost safely say I am not one of those.
My argument with him has very little to do with that. It stems from that small window of opportunity of a trio I saw before, but now it gets into the fact that he more or less said many of the things Vollkan said, which I thought were all non-sense. After working my ass off for the last two days strait I have had nothing to do but go over this game in my head a few times I can can see their side a bit more then I did before and I am starting to believe I did overreact to a lot. I was so paranoid everyone woudl come after me for what Oman did I was quick to get the fact I am not mafia out there. Now that I have come to terms with how bad that is I really don't know what to do. There are a few arguments I made I will defend, and a few of them I now fully disagree with myself about so eh...Personally, I don't buy the scumShaft.ed scenario, either. From what I've been able to find, your primary argument against him seems to be that Vollkan considers him likely pro-town.
I suppose the only real thing I can do is continue to try and clarify your thoughts and hope we someone get a break before the deadline.
I know me (Oman) is one of them but can I ask who the others are and why? Easier to do this then go back and try to read through it again.Gem wrote:I do not think either of them makes sense as a lynch candidate today; there are at least three players I find more suspicious than vollkan as of today.
I have yet to finish his history. In fact, things have been so busy on this end I have not had time to read back anyways at all. I do not even know the reason he quit. Did he stop posting or have an actual reason to leave?Gem wrote:First, you've just finished a reread of Oman's post history in response to my questions. Are you saying that you don't know what he's posted in this game?
And to answer your questions I basically just only looked at your post and made assumptions on what could have been.
As for the breadcrumb false role claim thing it's basically what just happened now. Perhaps at some point he just claimed vanilla for some reason. I would hate to claim my actual role if everyone already assumed I was vanilla. Which is why I wanted to be sure before I (in my mind) started to claim. And that is a big reason I felt so strongly on my "No claim" thing. I did not want to admit I had claimed vanilla in anyway until I was sure Oman had not done something else. Otherwise it brings up a full contradiction and thus a good scum attack on me. now that i more or less know he did not claim I am able to stop insisting my claim was not that.
Yes, I wanted to make everyone think I was vanilla. Like I said, I did not at the time see how this was harmful, so I thought it ok. I thought it would be a great way to not be NKed because two other power roles have been claimed already. I stick to my "selfish" reason, mostly because if I am a power role that reason is less likely to get me NKed and if I am a vanilla towny then... well Hopefully I have not read 35 pages for nothing ^^
Also a side note, this late in the game I feel any town death is going to cause us to be that closer to defeat so I can see how me not wanting to die is also a good pro-town thing. I won't push it because I agree every towny should be willing to die to win, but two more townies dead by tomorrow leave us little hope don't you think?
I am sorry about that. Each of those quotes I felt I needed to explain my thinking on, but I did not want to spend 8 hours doing so so I posted them to see which of them you guys wanted me to most explain. And instead of doing that you mostly just say they are all bad and leave it at that. I admit not all of them are "false" as I said, some of them just have a side thing I wanted to talk about. But as I said, after two days of hard labor and game mulling I no longer agree with half my thoughts and so Explaining what I thought then will do us no good.The other quotes from the list seem to boil down to semantics or subjective interpretation, and are not "true" or "false" in any meaningful way. I want the last 30 minutes of my life back
Yeah I was mostly taking my top suspect, Vollkan, and placing him in league with the most likely partner I found ( I think I illustrated that point a long time ago in my questions for Vollkan thing.) and my second choice and pushing them together as a trio. At the same time I was juggling the idea that Vollkan and two people I had not heard were the scum, and if so You and Dybeck (the ones I most suspected as his partners) would be a good NK choice to throw all heat off of him. I more or less disagree with this now as I see all my own flaws. I still admit you and Vollkan have a few things linking you, but no more then any player-to-player links you gain during a 45 page game. As for a Vollkan-Dybeck link, I admit the degree of distancing that would require is pretty unnecessary so I also find myself different minded on that one.Shaft.ed wrote:Since this change in your view towards myself going from town likely to be NK'd to scum aligned with vollkan came before any of my posts following the vanilla incident, I have to assume that you found me scummy during your reread. Please provide the evidence that lead you towards this conclusion.
If this is true then I am slightly less inclined to think he is scum. If he has in fact been playing this way all game (I may not have noticed it on my read) then The fact he seemed to come at me like he did doesn't seem as scummy as it did earlier. I admit this right here is a good reason some of my suspicion on Vollkan has dropped (among other things) and so if what he said is false I woudl like someone to mention it. Or even say how true it is. It would save me a lot of reread time.ETT wrote:From personal experience, I know that Vollkan has a way of getting contradictions out of people, perhaps even if they didnt make them.
I do not think it requires %100 certainty on all of you, seeing as how one of those four has a good chance of being mafia no matter how you look at it. It actually only requires a mafia vig kill. One mafia death gives us some leeway, and so losing a towny for a lynch will not be as bad. (Still bad, but not game losing)Vollkan wrote:I addressed this with my numbers thing. His whole notion of sacrificing himself revolves around 100% certainty about shaft.ed, dybeck. Orig and myself, which is just ridiculous at the best of times. Isn't this immediately rendered dubious by the fact that he has even some uncertainty as to whether or not Orig is mafia?
And if you really want me to tell you my feeling's on Orig fine. I just did not feel it that important to go into. I will say I am leaning about %70 or so- %30 or so one way or the other, an overwhelming majority on one of them. And so I do not feel I am that uncertain as to what I feel about him. Just careful not to overlook a possibility.
Also I see you more or less said Elias was telling the truth so yay. That answers my question.
Also what is the exact definition of a soft claim? I don;t want to do any comment about it if I do not fully understand it.
@ AlyG: I have pretty much stopped that now. I admit I more or less claimed, and I feel I have fully answered as to my feelings about the subject.
Only two things I want to point out from Vollkan's big post on the last page.
No, under most circumstances that is in no way rolefishing. However, if I was someone who had jsut said "I feel like I need to role claim, what do you think?" And you say that. It makes me feel like your either trying to see if I just ) Do not claim at all or B) Actually say "well it's fine I am not the Doc then."Vollkan wrote:Korlash, DON'T CLAIM DOC! Was that role-fishing?
To me Rolefishing can be played a numerous amount of ways. Take this example (My claim that is) To me, it seems logical a mafia will attack my vanilla claim to see if it was a false claim (and I am a role) or if it was true (And thus they know not to attack me) This is why I was so defensive about having not claimed. So I would not have to slip up and then give the mafia more reason to think one way or the other. As you said before, just saying town proves nothing, as just saying your vanilla does not prove you to be, so in my paranoid mind I say you as trying to weed out my true role. Now that I understand how bad my actions were I am less inclined to think this and so I do apologize. But I think my reasonings at the time seemed ok.
I already said that I felt Shaft.ed blaming me for any non-scum hunting going on was pretty harsh. No one person can stop scum hunting and so I said that to either A) Try and get to to scum hunt (Although I feel you guys have been scuming me this whole time and so I cannot see why Shaft.ed woudl say this.) and B) Further improve my attacks on Shaft.ed who, we all agree, is pretty much more or less pro-town looking. In fact, that statement, about me hindering scum hunting, is the only thing that remains in my mind about him after my "change of heart."Vollkan wrote:]Huh?!?! I thought shaft.ed/dybeck/myself were the 3 obvious 100% scum. As such, why should you even care what we do?
That last sentence...it's just brilliant.
I think we've hooked one.
And how is that sentence just brilliant? (I take that as sarcasm) I think if you guy's want to do scum hunting you cannot blame me you aren't. I cannot stop you from making points at other players, I cannot force them to post back, and I sure as hell cannot see how all that shit we just went through cannot be called "scum hunting" in some form.
I want to comment on all those "false" quotes I listed and your comments on them but I have more or less said I have different views and I see no point in rehashing an old subject. If you want me too I will gladly explain why I felt them false but if not I am willing to leave it at I was overreacting on most of them.
Ok thats my up-to-date views post. I will have the entire thread read come 5-6 days before deadline. Hopefully the game will not get that far because I hate when a day dies because of a deadline and a towny is short lynched killed. Especially if it's me ><
Edit before post: I normally preview my stuff before posting, but today I just don't feel like rereading it. I apologize in advance for any misspellings, grammatical errors, or sentences that are unclear as I may or may not have fixed them in a preview. sorry for the inconvenience!It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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You are a God mod...
sorry I meant good mod >.> <.<
... yeah... that is what I meant...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Well It's nice that we can talk to each other now without all the bang heading... *looks at hole in desk* Very nice indeed...
and that is why I also put that little tiny logical-powerrole hint. When I posted that, the contradictory point was just hovering on the tip of my mind, thus I had only a tiny bit of fear of it happening. I figured I would be able to finish reading without anything big happening. Apparently I was wrong and so I had to keep pushing I did not claim so I could catch up. In a sense that made me look a lot more scummy then a simple contradiction. (Even though its a big contradiction...)Vollkan wrote:Supposing, unbeknown to yourself, Oman had claimed cop on page 20. Your avatar-claim thing would then make you look odd and contradictory.
It was more for the vig actually. Because Oman was playing poorly I did not know if the Vig (Who you all say we shoudl keep alive, thus I am sure he will be here tonight) would target him for any past actions. So I claimed town in hopes he would not target me. (Even though a claim is not proof, I had hoped it would help.)Vollkan wrote:Scum are always more likely to target claimed power roles over unclaimed townies, unless they are playing wifom or going anti-player. You did not improve your survival chances by claiming vanilla.
I wasn't so worried about the mafia, although I am always in fear of them having a power role in these big games, like tracker or RB or something. And they may find it useful to leave the Vig alive and go after a more useful role (I.e. Cop, doc, etc...) and thus would hit an unknown towny.
I meant my "top suspect then" not top suspect now. Simple misunderstanding ^^Vollkan wrote:"Top suspect"? If you are now accepting my comments regarding the vanilla claim, then what is your case against me?
I didn't even notice you had a title... wow... Cool I want one =D Maybe... Crap-logic Korlash, The impenetrable wall, Mr. Mundane.... The rock!
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I still hope Dybeck says something more useful then "I am not the most likely lynch now yay!" (Summed up, he did not actually say that...)
Also I still want to know exactly how it was my fault the scum hunting was held up... Thats the only part of your guy's attacks on me I cannot see... Perhaps you can help me out there Vollkan...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Actually, because I am a replacement I am more or less an unknown, so I think all the discussion involving me was very much needed. This way, come day 3, if I am still alive we all now have things to go on. Also, I gained a lot of knowledge about you guys (mostly Vollkan and Shaft.ed but some of Gem too.) So overall, while it is not good to put me in that much "danger" it is very much needed for me to "talk." So having some subject, my claim as it were, that involved me is, in my opinion, a good thing. Granted i did not have to go that far, and I didn't HAVE to actually make myself so suspicious (as I said I did not think it would go over like that ><) But i still feel, even if it does not look like we got anywhere, you all now have readings on me, and I now have first hand knowledge of you. This close to a deadline it may seem unhelpful, but I still appreciate it.Shaft.ed wrote:Basically the "vanilla incident" didn't need to happen and it was a distraction. And if you are town, it's drawn a lot of suspicion your way that didn't need to be there.
No offense but if someone "ordered" me to not do a night action it wouldn't automatically mean I won't do it. You are basically saying "If you NK we will automatically lose this game." Because you are saying you will lynch a towny tomorrow if he NKs and thus I think we lose. So if I were him I would not take you seriously. Also, If I have a strong suspicion of someone I would NK them as vig anyways. If I hit town, then we go to lynch or lose. But if I hit mafia then we have a chance. It's a gamble, but some people may see it as a good move. Plus I do not see Originality as the best person to put my trust in keeping his word. So yeah, I am afraid he is going to NK. And I will be afraid no matter what he says.Vollkan wrote:Orig has been ordered not to NK, punishable by his own lynching. He won't NK. Thus, I don't get why you would be concerned about Orig.
Well it's true lynching me would put us close to LYLO seeing as how two townies will die. But I have already told you I no longer think the same I did before. So I see no reason to defend my "plan" at all. Your right, my death would not benefit the town. Thus... My reason for wanting to live! =D (This is all more of a joke and I am not trying to defend my "selfish" acts here. But I do truly believe my plan to suck and thus will not defend it anymore.)Vollkan wrote:I'll summarise it: your "plan" would, at best, put us in LYLO and at it's VERY likely worst cause us to lose. It is horribly anti-town.
I can see your point then about the Scum hunting. Thanks that was eating away at my head like all day at work and I think I messed up three orders because of it... Huh... I really need to do more with my life...
Still, I stand by my reasoning. I may not like how the info we got makes me look, but I am glad I can now say I "know" some of you guys firsthand, and not just with back posts.
The downside is now I really have nothing to go on but my suspicions of Dybeck... ;_; so I am back where I started!
Also I forgot to do this last post soUnvote:><It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Well the obvious answer would be me wouldn't it. Just based on all my bad attacks on you. But if your asking for my most likely scum, Dybeck is top right now(Not that he is anywhere near vote worthy yet, he is just top of a really small list)Vollkan wrote:Korlash, I have a question: If, hypothetically, I was lynched today and came up town, who should Orig vig tonight?
I already said my opinions about the Vig actions tonight. Point of the matter is the quote you used is not how I think anymore. Besides, the point I was making was only about whether we should or should not keep him alive and that had nothing to do with a kill or not kill action. It merely had to do with a "chance of hitting a mafia."Lucienne wrote:I'm puzzled that you don't even consider a no kill.
I don't see the advantages of claiming either.
Really not liking the vollkan hate from Korlash either. It seems a bit OMGUS. Nor shaft.ed. Seriously, what HAVE they done that is remotely anti-town (in a large way)?
Also the Shaft.ed/Vollkan "hate" as you put it stemmed from a small bit of paranoia and a big misunderstanding I blew out of proportion. I have already commented on that too.
It has always been my problem when it comes to a night killing role I tend to lean towards the town side.(especially when they claim Vig) I consider an SK in the "mafia" side of my quote. The only thing I didn't see then is if there is an SK then there is most likely no Vig and thus my quote is incomplete.Lucienne wrote:Why not an SK? I don't see at all why that's discluded.
Yes,Vollkan wrote:No. Oman existed.Omanexisted. But as Gem pointed out I cannot speak for him. You can say "Oman was scummy when he did this this and this! Answer why he did those!" All I can say is "Um... I have no idea..." and thus your stuck. So even though you have a lot to go on, you had nothing on me personally. I mean if I had acted %100 pro-town it wouldn't even matter how Oman had been playing because you would have no evidence against me. So I always think a replacement needs to get heard.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Wait I thought Vollkan unvoted... Did he revote me? How did I miss that? o.OIt's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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NKed by the vig? Hmmm... Dybeck. It's not much of a question. It's pretty much "who do you most suspect as mafia?" and I have already told you that.
But if your question was merely to prod me to see if I actually want someone NKed then the answer is yes. I feel if we have a Vig we need to use him. But that is just my opinion. I suppose it's a good thing I am not the vig here huh? lolz... >.> <.<It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Oh mod.. I hate to double post especially just for this.. but...
It should be "Korlash (1)- Dybeck"... I think...streeflo wrote:Korlash (1) - vollkan
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Also it is five to lynch yes? so I am not putting a L-1 vote here soVote: Dybeck
Please explain your vote on me with specific details, and stop just posting worthless stuff. I would appreciate some real posts out of you for a change. (At least while I have been playing. Maybe he used to post good stuff.)It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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define "stream of consciousness", "divorce yourself from Oman's actions.", and "unique style of posting."
Also, I am in no way trying to tell Orig what to do. I am merely pointing out that there is absolutly no way you can stop him form a kill other then "Do not do it!" I mean take your senario:
We lynch town, Mafia NK's town, Orig kills town= 3 town dead. If you lynch Orig tomorrow it is game over. so obviously either you would rather lose then have a pretty good chance of killing a mafia, Or your a mafia trying to stop the vig from killing a mafia.
Now take We lynch town, Mafia NK town, Orig kills mafia. Would you lynch him for that? i mean he took out a mafia. I find it hard to believe you would sacrifice two more townies just because he did something protown.
Now we come to we lynch mafia, Mafia NKs town, Orig NK's mafia. We just turned the tables on the mafia. Would you waste day three killing a known towny when there is only one mafia left?
Ok, now is when I think it wise to point out I keep hearing you say Orig is likely to be NKed anyways... If I was going to be NKed I would want to tat least try and take out a scum... Threatening to lynch him in no way stops him if he is convinced he will be NKed...
Lastly, if we do lynch mafia, they Nk town, and Orig nks town. Then we are not totally in LYLO I think... maybe not... Point is, we would not want to waste our possibly last lynch killing a "known" towny right? So I do not see how threatening to lynch him for a Nk is suppose to keep him from NKing... And that is why I am considering the possibility he may NK someone.
And what I meant with my bolded sentence is that your claim to "lynch if he NKs" seems to me a very anti-town thing, if you actually plan to follow it up. I could definitely see that as a mafia way to prevent a nk from a vig. Then again I can also see it as a towny thing to say, I just do not see a towny actually letting 5 townies die this late in the game.
That is about all I can comment on until I fully understand all your... weird things...
Oh and before I forget, seeing as how you like numbers:
8 members alive tonight, 3 mafia (unless we lynch one of them today.) 2 already known town, so it comes down to a 3-3 chance of hitting a scum if you are the vig. pretty good odds in my book. Granted if we lynch maifa there is less reason to Nk. But I still find it odd you are so sure he wont Nk someone. I mean at least harbor the idea in your mind that he will choose to do his own thing and not listen to you. I'm not saying lynch him, but be ready for tomorrow to come and have 2 dead players is all.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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I do not feel the reasons I have given to be enough to put at L-1. If I wanted to do that I would at least want to name specific examples, quotes, reasons I am voting, etc. Right now I am merely trying to show him we have not forgotten him and he still needs to be active.Vollkan wrote:Why are you so concerned about not being the one to drop the L-1 vote? That indicates that you have concern about the ramifications of the lynch.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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No no i am not missing the fact that if he misses we lose, I am merely saying that he may think it worth the risk and thus we cannot automatically assume he will not NK. I agree, that the Vig Nk is a big risk, and I can see exactly why we as town do not want it. (Again I state my personal views of use it or lose it on the vig note. My personal opinon is if we lynch a towny, no kill, if we lynch a mafia, kill!!!! *angry eyes!* but my personal feelings should take a side step for what is in towns best interest so I suppose I will agree with you and take a stand against a Vig kill. I said this only to help explain my obvious contradiction before when I said I would like the vig to kill, and then here I say I will stand against that. This game is special when it comes to my specific thinking and thus my thinking has to change for it... Perhpas that is not the best way to explain it... oh well I am tired...)
Also, I think it odd after my last statement you would just post a L-1 vote on dybeck without any stated reasons. Why do you feel Dybeck is worth a L-1 vote? And why did you bold "see something"?It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Dude... I can see where your going with that... But it's a little one sided... You can't predict how I will play. No matter how many games you have been in, no matter how much you have played this game, there is no way you can chalk up how others play this game.
To be honest with you the fact that it was your vote to put him at L-1 i kinda figured it would only be on him like an hour at the most. You post even more then I do, and you come up with some pretty iffy "traps" in my opinion. Now, if you had provided any sorta viable reasoning for your vote on him I would have unvoted. I wouldn't have gave you a FoS or anything, but I wouldn't keep my vote on someone that close to a lynch without my own reasons.
In closing I think your trap needs a bit of work. I can see the flaws in it as it can just as easily catch both the type of person you were looking for and the type you weren't.
besides there is no way anyone would have hammered him after that. I mean vote dybeck, vote dybeck, hammer dybeck just screams scum in my opinion. And no one is that stupid. So while you may think this trap of yours worked, (which is a sense it did, yet it still feels kinda lacking) I can hardly say it implies what your saying it does.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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First off I forgot to do it this morning,Unvote:I am finding it hard to believe his claim, but I am not going to leave my vote on the "cop" without a reason...
and I (sorta) did. I questioned as to why you did it. not as much alarmed as shocked. I couldn't believe you had suddenly turned stupid on us. Glad to see that's not the case. ^^'Vollkan wrote:I would argue, though, that townies would react with a significant degree of alarm to someone randomly throwing a L-1 vote.
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Interesting. You figured I would not do something anti-town.
And yes, I did not think you would do something as anti-town as that. You play too damn carefully.
I put my vote on him in order to have him clear something up, I didn't want to remove my vote until he cleared that up. So yes I was ok with leaving it on when you put him at L-1, I saw no quick hammer coming and I felt the extra pressure would be beneficial to my cause. Apparently it was too much... >.> <.<Vollkn wrote:You were happy to keep your vote on him when I did not explain myself, but you say you would not do so if I did explain myself.
The obvious difference is that if I explained myself I would look more serious, however, I don't see why that difference should alter your own actions. There is still as much chance of someone hammering if I am serious as if I am doing it for other reasons.
More importantly, you asked me for my reasons that I felt dybeck was worth a L-1 vote. In other words, at the time you thought my vote was a serious one, which goes entirely against what you are saying now.
however, if you had made your vote appear to be more then you did, such as had a logical reason, evidence, points, attacks, etc... I would have felt more likely that another player would agree and maybe hammer. Especially if they didn't know it was at L-1 (i have seen that happen before... First hand...) So by making your vote appear to be no more then a random pressure thing I felt no danger on Dybeck.
And thus I asked you for reasons, if you had some then it changed that in my mind. and depending on what reasons you had it may have altered my thoughts.
I was not ignoring the more prolonged hammer, that was exactly why I left my vote on him. It would do no harm, and still get my question answered... (WHICH STILL ISN'T! AHHHHHHH!!!!!!)Vollkan wrote:Oh for sure, a hammerer would be obv scum. I don't see why this is relevant here though. You are talking about things happening quickly and ignoring a more prolonged hammer.
I meant "you" as a more general term in that quote. So i could seem to be talking first person to each reader. It was like saying "When you climb mountains, you have to wear shoes." The "you" is not a specific person.Shaft.ed wrote:I have to say I'm very surprised that you seem so certain that Orig is a vig. You're assumption is quite obvious throughout this post.
I also have a problem with the "listen to you." This may be nit-picky, but in this back and forth you make it seem as though vollkan is somehow single-handedly controlling orig's NK actions. In fact, prior vollkan was lobbying the hardest to maintain orig's possibility of NK'ing. I don't want to speak for the town, but it's quite obvious we have all chosen to prevent an extra NK tonight.
Also, if it is still unclear, I have joined you all in the "Against a NK" thing. So, I will not be lobbying for the Vig to kill anymore.
as for me... I half hoped the claims would counter each other but they don't... Well other then the cop counters vig is all...
We have "vig" killing player X, Tracker saw that. So it could be mafia or vig. Then Cop says he is mafia. So both other claims "kinda" point to mafia/sk. I wouldn't base this on my attack but it would make sense.
And with he possibility of Miller Vig killed we know one of them to be lying... so... *sigh* this means i have to reread...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Right, I would hate to make you mad
... I was being serious there....
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Anyways, I mainly want to know the reason he investigated Orig personally. It seems a bit... Coincidental in my opinion.
Also, I am not one to talk about claiming without pressure here, but I think it was an honest mistake about the L-1/claim thing... Although it was a 2 hour difference... He may have just missed the unvote... Eh... I am just not ready to rule anything out.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Then... why even bring it up? this seems like more of that "I know exactly how you should be playing and your not doing it right!" crap you seem to enjoy.Vollkan wrote:There is not really a "townie way to act".
you meant he did something either a town or mafia might have done in the same situation. Good... that helps us out a lot. Thanks for that. Any more useful observations you might want to add here? The sky is blue perhaps. The sun is hot? This is a sentence?Vollkan wrote:I should have worded it more clearly, but I think you see what I meant.
I really hate this point of the game. We argue over and over about who may or may not be telling the truth. Going on and on and on until we hit that deadline. *sighs* I guess it's time for that reread huh... Fine... Page... 2...
Well that just makes me want to pass out... I'll be up all night trying to make heads or tails out of that... Lets see... take the first letter of each word... take the next letter in the alphabet... rearrange according to number of letters separating each vowel.... Combine with the third and fourth word in every line... and... you get...Vollkan wrote:I really hate having to be so cryptic.
"Cake is yummy!"
hmm... Thats great advice... i think I will have some cake...
seriously I will get back to you after I reread some of Origs/dybecks posts...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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I meant that all of our remaining time will boil down to a he said he said thing about who could "possibly" be lying and thus come deadline it will basically come down to each towny picking a side and crossing their fingers... I guess I did word it pretty vague didn't I... My bad...Vollkan wrote:Yes; why ever would we need to debate who is more likely to be lying? That's just pointless
Also what is wrong with being funny? Huh does it get you scared? worried i will crack your puzzle? Your crip-ti-quote? Huh? Out with it? It's a word scramble isn't it! I will find and circle all the words in your last post!!!! HA HA! Theres a you... and a funny... and a cake... man I rock at this game! =D
On a serious note... Shouldn't Dybeck I don't know... Vote Orig? Am I just seeing this wrong because his vote is on me, or does it seem weird to you guys too?It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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when I first read that my answer was Dybeck because he had not explained his things/ voted for Orig. Now that he has I find my most likely lynch to be Lucienne. I mean all she has done for the past... i don't know how long is come in with a two-three sentence something and not give us anything to go on. I think Elias is second in that regards.Vollkan wrote:Based on Orig's behaviour it seems most likely he is the SK, however there is still room to doubt dybeck's investigation. We know one of them is lying. Who do you want to lynch at this point?
As you and Orig (just recently) pointed out, you all had a long conversation about how lynching Orig is bad. So I am basing a lot of my thinking on that. Although I am not sure if a Guilty investigation will change anything.
So thats my take... Have I failed yet another one of your traps? Do I really care? Does anyone know all the answers?It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Sorry... >< I wasn't even thinking...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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I find it kinda odd you would FoS Gem for doing something and then FoS me for doing the exact opposite... Thats about all the input I have ATM... Have to go do some things tonight... I should check back in a bit later with a more detailed post...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Fence sitting? How is that? All I did was ask if a guilty investigation in anyway effected your numbers. I can not fathom that you would have already added that into one of your giant numerical posts. From your response I take that as a no and thus I sit with my original answer of Lucienne.
You need to stop over reacting to every thing i say when most of it can be cleared up with a simple yes or no response man... I mean I can see why you think I am very suspicious, but not EVERYTHING i say is meant to be scummy or is trying to frame you in anyway. Stop being so paranoid.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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great, from now on when I am unsure of something I will not even mention it and blindly continue on. As long as you are pleased I could care less if I am clear on the issues! [/sarcasm]Vollkan wrote:In fact, if you had omitted that last sentence I would actually be quite pleased with you.
Yes!Vollkan wrote:So what...only SOME of what you say is scummy and attempting to frame me?
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The sentence "Not everything I say is _____" is more of a cliche thing to say to someone who keeps taking everything thing you say to mean as something specific. Such as if you go to church and someone tries to equate everything you say to the bible you can say to them "Not everything I say is about the bible" or if you are a fisher and someone tries to link your words to fishing terms or something...
It just seems to me you take every single thing I say and automatically assume the Scum way of thinking about it. Such as instead of seeing a towny asking for clarification, you see a scum trying to frame you. Or instead of a joke you may see a big anti-town move. I don't think it is wrong to question potential scum moves but to automatically assume everything a person says is scum makes it hard for them to prove/explain they are town.
I hope that answers your question...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Damnit I forgot... If Orig is so sure Dybeck is lying I still find it odd he would Switch his vote. It makes me feel he is not set on the fact Dybeck is lying and is more interested in taking the pressure off of himself and forcing it on to another. I am not saying we lynch him here, but I find it odd that someone who is %100 certain someone is fake-claiming cop would take their vote off of that person.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Also what other point besides "Lurking'/little content" and "Wanting to lynch Orig" do you guys have against Lucienne? I too feel the need for her to talk more but the same can be said about Elias sometimes.
this is just so I do not have to go back and reread form the start of day two. A simple explanations of any past scummyness/ reasons to vote would just be nice to catch me up! Thanks in advance!!!It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Cool... see my only problem with her has been that I have not seen her Post anything useful lately. So I wasn't sure if you guys had seen something earlier that i should be aware of.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Well he did semi-claim it with the vig thing... That could be him trying to sugar coat being the sk... Why would he claim Vig if he knew the actual Vig/Sk was out there?
Other then that I have no opinion on Dybeck's claim. Yet... that I want to voice. I'm more interested in Lucienne and Elias then him and Orig. At least for now.
are you trying to use this as evidence of distancing, reasons why we are probably not partners, or just stating the facts? Don't want to jump to conclusions right now you know. (a... jump to conclusions mat... *laughs*)Vollkan wrote:Lucienne has been against Oman rather strongly,
Also, just because I laughed...
seriously? Come on was that a joke or do you just like to be maddeningly unhelpful? Seriously post more... >.> <.<Elias wrote::good posting:It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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No offense but you always seem to attack whatever I say. So I do not want to worry about my answer making you go into some unknown trap/attack on me before I clear up what I am trying to first.. such as additional posts form Elias and Lucienne.Vollkan wrote:You're doing my cryptic thing, I see. The problem here, though, is that I cannot really see any reason why your opinion on dybeck's claim is something which has an advantage being kept under wraps.
But to be honest, I too see no reason to doubt his claim, but at the same time the fact he would go after me like he did with a guilty investigation on Orig seems odd. For now put me down as undecided, I will not blindly believe him because he has not "acted cop" like I would think someone would do, but I have already said no one should pretend to know how they act and so I cannot count out the fact he is just a different kind of player then me.
As for my scum list... Your all on it. Plain and simple... No matter how "pro-town" you are I have no proof of your affiliation and so I will not be stupid and not consider you possible scum. A few of you are "less likely" and a few are "more likely" but to have a list with anyone you are not %100 certain is town on it seems kinda dumb... Again I will not pretend to know how you should or are playing so... to each his own...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Cool, I will do that first thing in the morning. For now it's night night time... Stupid getting up early and going into work...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Ok, had a nice little tiny amount of sleep and boy am I tired...
Lets see... what to begin with... I suppose I can give my input on a few things then give my "scumdar" thing...
No offense here Vollkan, but if Dybeck is really the cop I think he should more or less be telling you to go F*** your numbers. I mean if I was the cop I would push for a guilty investigation lynch all day until either I am the one dead or my target is. And anyone defending my target would obviously get flagged as potential scum buddies.Vollkan wrote: A major, unsubstantiated assertion here. "The scum are the most vocal"?Well, I assume you are including me in that.I'd love to know who else is scummy on the basis of activity.
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A pro-town cop should simply NOT be talking like this. HoS: dybeck
Granted, I have seen your numbers, and I fully understand your logic. But I think counting on your fingers and toes pales in comparison to actual hard evidence. And no matter how much you try to predict the odds of how people act, 9 times out of 10 your wrong. I have already seen this proved this game, mostly with your so called "traps" against me.
To be honest here, the more you talk about it, the less likely I am thinking he would be NKed if he were mafia. The only person I see NKing him would be a Vig. However, I would think the SK may leave him alive to try and make him a scapegoat tomorrow. Honestly, if the entire town kept confirming the fact that player X is going to be NKed anyways, why Nk him? It just sounds so... Well... stupid...Vollkan wrote:waste our lynch on someone who will be NKed anyway and then expose ourselves to the risk of a random NK (if Orig = mafia).
But this point really does not matter, because if he survives the night he gets lynched tomorrow right? so either way he dies... However, if he is not the SK/Vig then thats an additional two more deaths we have to worry about. I have been weighing the possibility of both Sk and Vig in my mind. I mean we are on a plain that has a killer on board. That of course would point to an Sk right there. Yet in many plain/hijacking situations there is usually someone who fights back, or in this case a vig. I could honestly see them both because if Orig is the Scum, then that woudl mean Vig killed whats his name... spurgistan. And I will admit when I did my reread he was another of my likely scum people. So I have always been harboring the fact that perhaps Orig is not the supposed Vig/Sk.
Again I am not pushing for his lynch here or anything. Just more of my crappy thoughts for you to attack. I will say it is kinda hard for me to agree that pushing so hard for your guilty investigation is not "pro-town cop" material... I mean that is actually one of the main focus points I have in believing a cop claim. But I still cannot ignore all the times he Didn't do that in the past. And so I still do not fully believe his claim.
All right that out of the way...
My scum list (In order of "scumminess")
1)Lucienne-Roughly %60
1)Elias-Roughly %60
~They both seem a bit to inactive at this point when their opinion really matters here. So I have them set kinda high because I really want to get more out of them.
2)Originality- %55
~ either Vig or Sk, already killed a towny, has guilty investigation. All signs point to bad for town in some way. Vollkan has made good points about keeping him alive, but there is always a possibility those two are the scum buddies and would mean it would be bad to listen to Vollkan. Either way I do not want to lynch him now. Especially without Elias's or Lucienne's input.
3) Vollkan- Even %50
~Personal Feelings aside, I think he is one of the best players I have ever seen so I respect a lot he has been saying and tend to agree with him about certain stuff. Some things look pro town to me, while others seem a bit more... I don't know... (I would laugh my head off if he turned out to be the Vig/Sk XD)
4) Dybeck- %45
~Do not fully believe his claim because of a few things, did not immediately switch vote after claiming guilty investigation, seemed to waver a bit from his original target. But he seems more or less sticking with his "lynch Orig" policy now even with Vollkan repeatedly attacking him for it. I can see both sides ATM but am finding it hard to agree with Dybeck mostly because he does not have that "posting flair" Vollkan does.
5)AlyG-About %30
5)Gem-About %30
~These two just haven't really set any alarms off in my head. Apparently I missed something about Gem somewhere but I keep seeing his name under "likely scum" with like me or dybeck as his partner or something... Crazy... I like the way Gem posts things personally. And much like Vollkan, I can see his side 9 times out of 10.
6)Shaft.ed- A good %25
~I really do not have much to go on here. I agree he seems likely pro-town. Any things I had on him seem to be cleared up. I only see him as mafia under one condition, and that is as Vollkan's partner and as unlikely as that sounds I cannot count it out. So while I agree he is one of the most likely Townies, there is always that shot is is just that good as a mafia.
7) Korlash- Roughly %10
~This guy is simply an Asshole... He stole my lunch the other day and now he is putting words in my mouth. I have nothing to go on but a Role pm I got so it is only a hunch... but I think he is town...
Alright time for work... see you guys in another 10 or so hours...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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wow a couple things to talk on.. Cool...
Firstly... My ever favorite Vollkan comments... woopy!
Yes I am against lynching orig. I would like to hear back from Dybeck first, but right now he is my top pick for a lynch.Vollkan wrote:Does this mean that you oppose lynching SK-Orig? By the sounds of it, your sole concern is the prospect of me being scum with Orig.
Vollkan wrote:Use of the word "crazy" is interesting, because it is not "crazy". In fact, I think it is a legitimate suggestion.
Oh I think it is a legitimate suggestion. It's just that I clearly remember one of the first posts I read of Gem's when I got back was "Don't take what I have been saying personally" or something like that and it made me laugh this morning. That crazy thing is more of a joke really.
@ shaft.ed: sweet... That saves me a lot of reread ^^
Well with posts like these I cant imagine how I could think your not contributing useful stuff... [/sarcasm]Elias wrote:you realize this is a scum list right? not a list of people who you want to pressure?Do you honestly feel that me and lucienne are the most likely scum based on the fact that we've posted the least?If so, thats ridiculous.
Further, I havent even been that inactive lately. I've been keeping up and posting my opinion where needed. It's starting to get kind of irritating how the latest cool thing to do is go "hmm, i cant think of anything to say, hey lucienne and elias! post something!"
Anyways, Shafted makes some good points on the Dybeck claim, many that I missed, mainly because I was in my official out of game stage. Now that the these things are pointed out to me, they definately add up. So Dybeck just moved up several spots on my LoS.
I mean seriously with all the talk on Dybeck and orig you cannot say more then "Hmm, interesting post Shaft.ed! Dybeck has just moved up a bit!" I am glad you went into more detail in yoru next post and for all intensive purposes I did list Lucienne first for a reason.
Secondly, I do find any sort of lurking right before a deadline very scummy. In my mind I see you two as trying to stay out of the radar for the rest of the day while giving us very little to go on tomorrow. So yes, I consider you two the most needed responses/posts out of and if I have to call you scum to get it so be it.
Now I am not saying I would lynch either of you two right now or anything... But a little more detailed stuff then you have been giving would be very nice man.
Ok thats about all the stuff facing me at this moment I think...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Wow... I never thought that would go like it did... Gotta be careful not to let personal feelings get into this post...
As much as I hate to kick a dead horse here it goes...
And I see your reaction to me naming you in my top two scum pick as a little bit over the top.Elias wrote:At this point, I see your insistence that I dont post enough content as a personal attack. I responded both to your posts, naming two lurkers the two top scum, as well as responded to Shafteds case, the two most important posts. Furhter, its ridiculous of you to attack my response to shafteds post. Shall we compare it to yours?
Yes it was... Glad you can admit that. Mine on the other hand addressed three real points while yours barely addressed one. I think the scale is in my favor there.Elias wrote:Yeah, my post was definately the one that added nothing to the discussion.
No shit sherlock... Did the fact I said I put you guys up there to get you to talk have anything to do with this breakthrough here? Also I find the fact that your talking now to be... I don't know... my point! I too agree lurking is not a scum tell, I hardly think ANYTHING can be defined as a "scum tell" that word is so god damn overused in this game... HOWEVER! When a deadline is posed and a player repeatedly uses an excuse not to post, or repeatedly posts very little it makes me think he or she is trying to skirt under the radar. I don;t see why you are reacting so badly to me asking you to post a bit more then you are. I don't see Lucienne acting so rash... That was a joke in case your as slow as you seem...Elias wrote:You dont understand my point. Although I believe that lurking is a completely and utterly STUPID scum tell, (as I do it all the time as town and scum, depending on time constraints, how into the game I am, and other factors) my point is not that you have no basis for suspecting me. The point is that you made a list of scum, not a list of people that needed to be more active. If in fact, you just put us up there to get us to talk,
An hour ago, Dybeck, right now, you and Dybeck...Elias wrote:who ARE your top suspects?
How do you feel on Gem? Whats your biggest issues with me? How about Lucienne? Vollkan? Shaft.ed? There is going to be a fucking mafia NK here... and I would either like to know what your issues are with the person going to die, or if you die what your issues are with your supposed killers. Also if I am the one to die perhaps it may lead to my killer being found. I don't really know, but we have like a week + until deadline... use it stupid...Elias wrote:I have already shown who I want lynched, my opinion on Dy and Orig, and my top suspects. Now, how have I not provided enough info for tomorrow?
I believe I was undecided on whether he was Sk or Mafia... I could be wrong... I do have a bad memory XDElias wrote:Opinion on Orig? undecided on whether he is vig or SK.
that seems a little over the top... I mean... If you are posting content, detailed and useful, don't you think that it would backfire on me? And that the other players would see that? Why are you so afraid to be in the spotlight right now? A simple "I think I am posting enough" would be enough on your part and would probably end up making me look like the bad guy. Yet you choose to react pretty defensive... I don't get it... It doesn't make sense...Elias wrote:What exactly do you mean by detailed? I've given you my opinions, and why. As far as I can tell, most of your content comes from being attacked by Vollkan, and some OMGUS on shafted. So I'd advise you to get off my fucking case on "not enough content".
My post also contained two answers to things Vollkan said. A thank you to Shaft.ed for doing something nice( I have mentioned before how helpful you guys can be to me in this regards.), and 2, count them two issues against you. Thats a total of 5 points in my post. Stop trying to make me seem just as useless as you are...Elias wrote:This post you just made was so full of content. A baseless attack on my contribution. Nice one.
What he asked...Vollakn wrote:You say you don't like Korlash, what are your thoughts on Gemelli?
I still hold to waiting until Dybeck answers some things. After that I will place my vote... Until then I will keep poking Elias as it seems to be having some effect... *poke poke poke*
(Guess I didn't do a good job of keeping personal feelings out of the post eh? )It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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*twitch*
The only thing I can think to say to that is wow... Then make a joke... so here it goes...
Wow...
Also:
Well as much as I would love to get closer to Lucienne... *Rowl* I find it hard to imagine me and Vollkan as buddies... Just because of how hard we fought in the beginning... I mean distancing can only go so far right? Did you actually point out these "relationships" in the huge thing or do i have to ask for them? I will look later when I have time but I feel asking might get it fast..Gem wrote:Based on the relationships I've been able to track here, if Vollkan *does* come up scum, I would consider his most likely scumbuddies to be Lucienne and Korlash.
*Scoots closer to Lucienne*
So... I hear we make good buddies...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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I have more to say but I'm pointing this one out now so i don't forget...
Um... so you are that slow... Ok... Sorry... I was under the impression you actually had a positive IQ here... Sorry... I will clearly spell it out right now... Are you ready... I'll try to do it slowly!Elias wrote:
It's not a joke when we're this close to deadline and you were asked seriously who tops you scumlist, and also never clarified in the post who your actual top person was. At this point in the game, I have no choice but to defend myself even with the possibility that you were joking. And if you havent noticed, Lucienne isnt acting this rash because SHE HASNT POSTED YET, for one, and two, now youve said (3 posts later) that is was a joke and theres no reason for her to. Anyways, seeing as Shafted responded in seriousness, I think its pretty clear that that part of your post was not easily distinguished as a joke.Korlash wrote:
I don;t see why you are reacting so badly to me asking you to post a bit more then you are. I don't see Lucienne acting so rash... That was a joke in case your as slow as you seem...
I don't see why you are reacting so badly to me asking you to post a bit more then you are. [/real sentence]
I don't see Lucienne acting so rash...[/joke]
That was a joke in case your as slow as you seem... [/trying to show joke]
As for my top two... I just told you, you! And Dybeck, with Lucienne as a third. My reasons for putting you and her up there may not be enough for you, but I stand by what I posted.
More to come in a second =DIt's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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I never posted my actual statement yes, I find it too difficult to go back in and requote my shit. But I did address your statements before and after. I thought that good enough.Elias wrote:Through clever editting, you left out the part of my post where I compared the info we'd provided.
The same can be said about you... *Cough*Elias wrote:I wondor if you think youre clever when you ignore obvious sarcasm.
To be fair I will try and see it from your side here... *looks*Elias wrote:If you hadnt noticed, I've been talking the whole game. The reason I'm writing more now is because you've really pissed me off by yelling "you have no content" when I've said all there is to be said.
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Thats what I was asking for. And you think youve pressured me into providing info. Anyways, what exactly makes you think I'm scum? That I'm pissed off? Ask yourself: do townies get pissed off when theyre wrongly accused? Hell yes they do. Again, youre just making a bad move, placing me at the top of your scumlist for being pissed off.
Nope still don't get it...
Ok heres my thing. First, Let's say you are mafia. As town I see you as still an unkown. I could care less about yoru posts before I replaced. I won;t look at them. I don;t give a rat's ass about them. I do care about any posts you have made sense I have been here. And, personally, I do not remember much of you AlyG, or Lucienne. (On a side note AlyG needs to post like.. today... Kinda hard to rank him to high seeing as how he is claimed power role but...) So I want all the yummy info on you I can get my hands on... mmmm... Infoy goodness!
Now lets pretend I am mafia and you are town. I would love the fact your getting pissed off right now! I would keep pushing it as hard as I could to get you to either slip up or maybe get stuff to use tomorrow. So telling me you are getting pissed won't get me to stop. However, if this was the case, I could see you saying "Screw you Korlash I post enough." And leaving it at that. I could possibly accept that...
Lastly, perhaps we are both town. I see your reactions as a little to defensive. Like I said, if you feel you have honestly posted enough just say "I feel I have posted enough and it will take more then just you to get me to post more." And leave it at that instead of actually proving my point and posting more... Whether you like it or not my simple posts at you have made you repost a lot of (semi-useless yes) content. So in my mind I am happy! Yay! Party time is now!
It's not that you don't post a lot, it's that you don;t seem to post that often. There are a lot of excuses for that, and I can accept most of them. But while this deadline is in effect I personally feel the same person should post every 6-8 posts. So roughly 3 times a day would be nice. Again, Some people only have access certain times, or have so many other games, and that is a good excuse. But I wont stop pressing them to post more because of it.Elias wrote:What does the amount posted in any given post have to do with skimming under the radar? I've given definitive opinions on what people have asked of me and other issues. Why is the fact that I dont post 300 words have to do with me "skirting under the radar" You're ridiculous.
Ok become decided, comment on something new about him, say you will do a reread.. theres a million different ways to contribute even if your "undecided." Tell me why. Illustrate both sides. Say reasons he MIGHT be this or that.Elias wrote:Attacking my intelligence will make everything better. First of all, I've already said that I'm undecided on Gemelli. Second of all, what the hell do you mean, "biggest issues"? Lucienne is a lurker, Vollkan and Shafted I have no problems with. My biggest issue with you is your refusal to accept that I have been contributing, and the fact that youre continually using it as a fallback thing when you have nothing better to say. "Hmm, elias should post, lol"
And there has to be something else on me then that. I mean half the people here hate me for reasons not even contributed to this game, surely you can find one other thing to mention.
Lucienne is a lurker... Nice... Do you have any feelings on the few posts she did make? Do you think of here one way or the other? Do you plan on helping get her to talk?
You have NO PROBLEMS with either of them? None at all? Even after Gem's huge Vollkan thing? Come on... Stop trying to convince me you post enough when this is all you can fucking say about people. I mean God, is it really that big of a deal whether I think you have posted enough? No. Should you be making such a big deal over it? no. Should you post more? Hell yes.
Kinda like how you keep ignoring me asking you to post more useful stuff... I see it as a fair trade off. I'll gladly do a recap of every single on of my feelings on every single player after you do that same.Elias wrote:Good job ignoring my point. I just showed how I've actually given a much clearer depiction of my opinions then you have of yours, and you ignore it. Nice one.
You can say anything you damn well please as long as it is not some personal attack (i.e. your mom is a F... etc etc etc...) I get mad too.. trust me go check out Treestump mafia... Or whatever it is called...Elias wrote:Oh yes, the fact that I said "fucking" means that I went over the top. Listen, just because I used a swears doesnt mean you can ignore my points. You know why I didnt just say "I think I am posting enough"? I dont believe in making random assertions. I like to back up what I say. Thats what that post did. The fat that I was a little angry when I wrote it is not a reason to ignore its logic.
I just think telling me to "get off your case" is a little over the top... its a game of Mafia man... The whole point is toBE ON SOMEONES CASE!Stop saying "get off my case" do something about it. You know a simple summary of all your feelings right after I originally said it might have been enough for me to move on. And I don't, and if you had already done one that still stood at that time a simple quote or link to that would have been enough. But nooo...
Firstly to explain where I was joking and where I was not can lead to some bad misunderstandings being avoided. Already you have taken a joke I said a little to seriously and thus have proved why me explaining my jokes are not a "bad point"Elias wrote:Um yeah, as I said. The first point I had made previously, and you should have also, since it was brought up ages ago. That point hurts you more then helps you. The second response to Vollkan is hardly relevant. You said you joked. The thank you to Shafted is a terrible point! You didnt even address his post! The two issues with me are ridiculous, because I have been posting enough, and with content.
Secondly while I did not add anything to or about Shaft.ed posts my thank you for him was again, because of a previous misunderstanding that has now been avoided. Unlike you, he seems to want the town all on an equal foot here. And if I show my appreciation for it so be it. (See was it that hard? Did you honestly have to take all my comments as personal attacks when you could have easily cleared them up like I just did?)
As for my points against you, While you may think you post enough I don't. So bringing that up is not "ridiculous" in the least. At least not to me. I could care less if your happy with how often/much you post, if I am not I'm going to fucking tell you about it.
Again, you can illustrate why he is neutral. There has to be something either kinda town or kinda scummy he said. His posts against Vollkan have to have somethings you can comment on, there has to be something you can say. Come on man, Saying "I think he is neutral" in no way tells me anything. How can you blame me for not considering that a helpful or content..y... post?Elias wrote:]Ive already stated that I am undecided on Gemelli. I have a neutral opinion of him currently. I dont know how else to put that. As for poking me, all youre doing is further angering me. Angering me simply gets me to swear a lot, which wont help the town much. If you think thats the best way that you can help the town now, then I think your no one to be telling me theres something wrong with my late day play.
Also me continuing to poke one of my top three does seem like a good play for town... I will keep it up until there is a majority consensus for me to stop or you drop from my radar... *poke poke poke* or until my fingers get tired... *poke poke poke*
I myself will be posting something on the Vollkan/Gem posts tonight hopefully. I have business to attend to first but I ill try and read through all those jumbles... and.. long... ass posts... son of a... This site needs spoiler tags or something... Also A redo of my scum list, a few more Dybeck insights I think, and a couple prods to Lucienne and AlyG are soon to follow... Until then...
Oh and Elias... Take a Chill pill or something... If this is getting you pissed off there has got to be something wrong with you... Cause this is nothing... If you want me to break into my crap logic and stubbornness chest I will. I might even be able to create an equal Swear to real words ratio from you... But that of course woudl not help so I would rather you just calmed down! ^^
Oh and as for your newest posts I could care less if you think they are funny or not. Blatantly taking something I admitted was a joke and trying to use it against me will not help get me to stop focusing on you. Also, I should try and not insult what little intelligence you have... I'll try from now on...
Also I did not proof read this thing.. have to go... Sorry in advance for any mistakes... And for any personal attacks i would have deleted... >.> <.<It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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I find it funny you keep ignoring what me and Elias are doing.. I would feel you would want to say something, one side or the other... I mean either tell me I am over pushing it, or he is over reacting... Or a combination of both... don't ignore it... *Angry face*It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Ok I have read up pretty much all of the Gem/Vollkan debate. Kinda dozed off in the middle... Woke up someone in Denmark.. how the hell did I get there? Anyways...
i found a few points Gem brought up that I specifically looked for a response from Vollkan simply because I wanted to see what he would say, but I couldn't find any. I don't want to bring most of them up seeing as how they hold no grounds on the case, and I don't want to seem like I am trying to use weak based attacks on anyone more then I already have.... I'll say one and see how you take it...
I combine it with the quote:Gem wrote:vollkan wrote:
Sorry? Where did I say Orig was 100% confirmed scum.
Please explain how it is possible to read that post otherwise. This should be good.Vollkan, in post 1228 wrote:
If you want percentages (0% = obv town, 100% = obv scum)
AlyG = 0%
shaft.ed = 20%
Elias = 55%
Gemelli = 60%}
Korlash = 65%} Not tied, but the above was more based on specific reactions to lynching Orig. On overall perception, Korlash is scummier.
Lucienne = 70%
dybeck = 75%
Orig = 100%
And I see a valid (Non proof of town/mafia in anyway) argument that makes me wonder just how many times you have made mistakes.Gem wrote: I would have been perfectly happy if you'd actually come out from time to time and admitted that you had made mistakes.
You see now why I hate big, long, hour to read posts... I tend to find one little thing and stick with it the whooooooole time...
Also on a more serious discussion note... Can Vollkan please define "Misrepresentation" in his own words. He used it enough in his defense that I figure if I want to take his statements to their full meaning I should get his exact meaning down pact. I could look it up, but that doesn't necessarily mean that is the definition he meant, if you see where I am going here... if not I am not asking for the definition, I am asking Vollkan to define it... So I don't need like Shaft.ed to define it or something... I'll stop talking now...
Ok a new list for y'all to see...
Scum list (Lynch/vote oriented)
1) Dybeck- Claim has many faults and snags in it. Was keen on jumping on me in a somewhat... scummy way... Most of his posts seem to lack content and he does seem to avoid a lot fo the more direct statements at him. I already said i will give him one defense post before voting but if he waits too much longer I may vote anyways.
2) Orig- Naturally he must follow Dybeck. One of them is lying. Plain and simple. Vig should come up towny when investigated so I feel their claims counteract. Insane cop seems like to much to hope for(So to speak) and so I have more or less ruled it out.
3) Elias- simply because I feel he overreacted to my simple statement... No chance of me voting him because I know one of the above two will turn out to be scum. Still feel I would like him to participate a bit more in active discussions and so I am looking forward to his post tomorrow! ^^
4) Vollkan- I cannot ignore my gut feelings I got through my read up. But it is true his play style is something I am not used to. I like how in depth he is with posts, his way of thinking, and how aggressive yet to the point he can seem. I cannot look past the "Following Shaft.ed" angle, or the fact that Gem has made a few good points I agree with.
5) Gem- I find his "posting style" a bit more like able then some of Vollkans and I do not know exactly why. Perhaps the bolding thing... Something subtle that just draws me into them... I think it may be his tiny bit of humor I keep seeing now and then... Back on point, Some of his "attacks" if that is what you want to call them on Vollkan stem into the beginning of Day 2, and "throughout day 2" and so I am unable to fully appreciate those. I feel Vollkan has more or less defended himself nicely provided he has a good definition for "Misrepresentation." I also realize I have basically summarized my thoughts on his post and not on his affiliation meaning I must not have a lot to go on him... interesting...
6) Shaft.ed- Almost forgot him. He is a hard guy to figure out. I like him, I like his posts, and I like his way of thinking/seeing things. Unless somethign very bad happens I do not see myself going up against him again.
7) AlyG/Lucienne- As Elias pointed out just their lurkerness is no reason to label them as "Scum" so I will post them at the bottom here. I think AlyG's claim holds up so he is obviously town. However I feel there is very little (For me at least) to go on Lucienne and that is why I am so interested in getting her to post... So I can get to know her better >.> <.< Favorite color... Movie genera... Flower... Dinner at 8?... *cough*
Scum list (Pressure/reaction/scum hunting/ info gathering oriented)
1) Lucienne - I said I have nothing to go on her and so day three will be difficult for me.
2) Elias- Again I feel there is little for ME to go on. I personally see him as unknown and that is why I would like more from him. His recent posts (while more or less no info for the ton as a whole) I felt I got to know him more or less as the player/poster he is. These bonds are important to me because if I cannot understand your ways of thinking, posting style, and personal feelings about things I cannot really feel i know you enough to begin really scum hunting you. I'm sorry for the personal attacks I used, those were uncalled for and lame.
3) Vollkan- While I dread any future long ass posts from you I feel you can really narrow things down to this or that, your numbers while I don't read them seem to be good tools for other players (Gem and Shaft.ed at least), and overall I feel you have taught me in my newbiness a lot this game.
4) Dybeck- I only rank him this low because i am only looking for one post from him. Be it a very in depth post that answers a lot... I kinda feel my feelings on him are set in stone because I cannot convince myself he can even come up with a use able excuse... But I give him the benefit of the doubt... Cop claim, be it most likely false or not, merits a bit of leeway...
5-8) The rest of us....
Um I have other feelings here... I secretly believe Vollkan would make a good SK this game... Would explain a few things in my mind... Like... Why he felt keeping Orig alive was a good thing... and why he was so convinced Orig would be NKed... needless to say that can also be explained as him being town but still... It is a thought.
Ok thats all I can manage ATM...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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A) My bad then... I didn't see where you did so just forget I mentioned it...
B) Nothing is ever obviously anything man... No matter how clear you make it someone will always somehow manage to misinterpret it. As for the Quote nearby thing... I could be missing it because I am not going to go back and check that all his info is correct but the few times I remember he basically used a post-by-post attack and thus would regard the quotes around it.
c) I will get to this first thing in the morning... Most likely.. worst case scenario first thing after work tomorrow... Not enough time right now... sorry... ><
d) In my mind, if I was SK i would love to NK a mafia... to help make town think I was vig.. so if you know he is mafia because you are SK he seems a good NK choice for you... That is mostly all I am basing this on... I know it is not a formidable attack and I am in no way implying you ARE the sk... it is just a suggestion so I can do an "I told you so" thing in he event you are the Sk... Yeah... I like to rub it in the faces of people when the game is over... ^^It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Lolz... sorry it's funny when you think of Lucienne here... Ok I'll shut up and go to work now....Vollkan wrote: After the amount of content the rest of us are putting it, it's the very least you can do.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Damn... I have to study to become a manager tonight... Sigh... lesson one... store Operations... *falls asleep*...
Ok I think I will take a break and go over a few things here.. Post back in a second...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Ok... A lot of the things I was going to comment on are just a waste of time and would only make me look worse for slowing the game up...
Big thing I saw:
I believe I am leaning towards Dybeck or Orig. Which I know to be kinda contradictory, but I know one of them is lying and so if I should choose to believe Dybeck's claim I would vote with him, thus Orig. I have no intention of voting/lynching/leaning Elias at all... I thought I made hat clear when I posted my two different scumdars.. Guess not..Gem wrote:Korlash: Leaning towards Dybeck or Elias
Um... what else...
So if you say someone is 5% town you mean they are very likely town?... interesting...Vollkan wrote:Gemelli, 50% is my default position. I gave you a mere 5% extra.
Nice metaphor... especially on today... Still I would rather you have a white cat then a black cat... If at all possible... If the cat is too black he might get lost outside at night!... Wow... it's amazing how much that saying might actually work in a game of mafia... weird... XD go me!Vollkan wrote:However, it doesn't matter if the cat is white or black, so long as it catches mice.
Uhhhggg... Guess it's time to go back to studying... No need to refute most of the Vollkan arguments Gem made seeing as how you two have pretty much come to a decision on most of them. I will try to reread and see if any of my original points still stand out and then ask about them.
Oh and I believe it is time toVote: Dybeck... Stop, not, being, helpful! Or else you end up like me ><It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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No, I do not want to post because it would spiral us into another one of our "pointless" discussions and I could be accused of hindering scum hunting again... Wait... that is what you said.. nevermind...Vollkan wrote:Self-preservation prevails again, Korlash. You don't want to post because it might have negative ramifications for yourself.
I have on more then one occasion explained my views on Orig... You just seem so convinced you are right that you choose to shoot down any points we make against him. I don't have to give my god damn opinions on why I want the fucking SK dead moron... I agree he is not the best lynch, but if he did get an honest to god scum investigation I am more inclined to believe he is mafia and thus more inclined to agree he is an acceptable lynch. As of right now I have no intention of lynching him and no intention of spiraling us back into the fucking 800 pages of useless god damn same exact post after the other... God man are you that full of yourself that you are the best god damn mafia player in the world that you have to be right even if proven that your trying to protect a known mafia? God damnit man... This gets me so pissed off that... gaw.. ahhhh... I wana go out and punch little kids tricker treating now..Vollkan wrote:@ Korlash: Even if you DID believe dybeck's claim, why would you want to lynch Orig? You are ignoring the numbers of the situation and not explaining the reasoning behind your position. For that, FoS: Korlash
WOW THAT FELT AWESOME! I now see why people do it... god.. wow... I feel great... Probably going to get lynched.. but man... still feel great...
It just seems odd to me... But to each his own. I can work with that...Vollkan wrote:A ranking of 5% would equate to near certainty that person was town.
I don't need to fucking explain this to you. (Ehh.. not as good anymore...)Vollkan wrote:You have given no rationale for this vote. Moreover, why on earth is this "time" ripe for voting dybeck?
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dybeck has NOT given a "defence post" yet and it has not even been a full day since you made this "I will give him..." post.
Explain.
Seriously though, I have told him on more then one occasion that if he does not quit not helping, does not contribute, and that after one post if I am not satisfied I will vote him. He could have easily said "SOMETHING" in his last post.. but instead he took the easy way out and killed another two days of the deadline time. He deserves my vote. Crap cop claim that he won't even try to back up, combined with the fact he just plain wanted to lynch me for no reason, I have more then enough reason to put my vote on him and if you cannot see that then why don't you fucking unvote before trying to weaken my vote on him. (Ok I lied.. it still feels good ^^)
And yeah.. While I have no reason to unvote, I also see no reason to lynch without a truly, very detailed, very substantial, post from him. However, if he chooses to keep ignoring us, he will see his actions backfire come deadline.
Also, because I can clearly see this post as my "damning" piece of evidence, I want to say this now. Most of your "numbers" are based on him being the SK. And the numbers you have for him being mafia all point to his likeliness of being NKEd.. I don't know about you But I am not the kind of person to cross my fingers and hope a mafia is killed instead of just... KILLING HIM NOW! We kill a mafia, end of story, great lynch, good day, point for us! If Dybeck is telling the truth I think a 100% mafia lynch is better then listening to your numbers and losing come tomorrow... As it stands I feel Dybeck is lying... So it all really doesn't matter...
*Worthless Disclaimer: Please excuse all the above foul language and personal attacks. Korlash is under a lot of pressure at work and has been undergoing a lot of stress. While it does make him feel good to lash out it will probably only lead to him becoming an alcoholic. And I do not have the money to spend on beer! In short.. can I borrow $5?It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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