Mini 500 - Cult Mafia - Game Over!
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Hey guys, i'm going to read up and i'll get back with my notes!ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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Long posts are going to be coming from me. Thoughts through page 4:
Forgive the out of dateness of this post, it's what I was thinking while reading chronologically.
Vollkan seems protown to me, I can't really say why and it may just be null and void but i'm keeping my eyes open.
Which means that you've obviously not a townie.Blackstrike wrote:I would say that in this game, a townie lynch is almost as good as a scum lynch.
Why? Townies are the lifeblood of the cult. No townies= no recruits, No recruits= good.
Therefore, any townie claim should be punishable by lynch.
FoS: Dr. Blackstrike
Ok, so besides the anti townie mentality we've got the cultist mentality. Sounds like we've got our recruiter.Dr BS wrote:I just read the rules again and we have exactly 4-6 recruitable people.
Blatent OMGUS. Dr BS, you're not looking to hot right now.Dr BS wrote:Vote Flameaxe
We're not rewarding anyone for not contributing. If not talking about someone = rewarding them then perhaps we are rewarding...but that's invalid and stupid. We're voting Dr BS because he's acting culty/scummy, not because he's contributing. You're idea about the atmophere is crap because it relies on your previous statements, which are crap.Pwayne wrote:So as it goes, we are rewarding non-contributers, punishing contributers and creating an atmosphere where people are afraid to post their thoughts.
Ok, so because you reread 1 post, he's off the hook? Heck! He didn't even answer your questions! Distancing?CKD wrote:Unvote Dr. Blackstrike
Ok, then go ahead and propose one! Sitting around asking for other people to do all the work equates with doing nothing other than whining, moping and complaining. If you don't like how somethings going, do something about it.Pwayne wrote:I am just arguing that we put aside the "gotcha" politics for a moment and determine a course of action.
It's called distancing. Heard of bussing? Same thing.Oman wrote:Why would the cult put forward an idea to weaken itself?
Just because you do it a lot doesn't make it right, smart or helpful. Give a real defence next time please.MoS wrote:pwayne, if you do some research, I always random vote when I enter a game. I've done it on later pages than page 4 before.ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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You, as a protown person, have the responsibility of catching scum. Therefore anything you do should be trying to catch scum. By doing something that isn't trying to catch scum you are being unhelpful and not smart because it draws suspicion. Why would you do something deliberately unhelpful? (dice vote on page 4 is unhelpful)MoS wrote:Please tell me where I said it was any of those things.ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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Exactly. MoS hasn't posted nearly enough from what i've read (up through page 4) for me to gather that he's scum, so i'm going to just assume he's protown for right now. Sometimes I play assume innocent until proven guilty and sometimes I play assume guilty until proven innocent. Trying to work out which one is better.Tyhess wrote:but that doesn't meen someone's scum.
He never expressly said any of those things, they were implied.ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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It's how I play, suck it up and get used to it. Some people around here would call it agressive.Pwayne wrote:True. Maybe he could refrain from accusing people of whining and having crap ideas until then.
CKD wrote:the question I asked, he has already read over.
So if you stretch your imagination and try to see his statement as protown, you can "sort of" see it? You then say you "don't think I agree with it". Then you say:CKD wrote:”…if I reread his post and think “vanilla town” I can see what he is saying(sort of)
Now because of this you should unvote him? How does that work?CKD wrote:….he hasn’t really answered my question, how should townies make themselves ripe for a NK kill?
Sorry, i've been distracted all day today, i'll try and have my thoughts up tomorrow after I get done with household responsiblities.ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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Passive agression, nice. Thank you all so much for the warm welcome. Reading now.ShowHouse Rules:
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2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
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Ok, not too much thoughts on the previous pages as it just seemed bashing here and bashing there, nitpicking and grumbling.
This stuck out to me because it perfectly embodies my sentiments up to page 7 regarding Tyhess. Tyhess, branch out and state your own ideas, don't jump from bandwagon to bandwagon, that looks scummy.CKD wrote:AGAIN? Tyhess is jumping on the bandwagon of the hour without providing much content at all...
It was been said that Pwayne plays more defensively than the normal player. I'm going to have to agree with this, in addition it seems Pwayne takes things personally, again not good. Pwayne, the goal of this game is to win, not to not lose. You playing to not lose is counterproductive, play to win or go home. Oh, and please stop taking things so personally, it's a game.
Oman, this game isn't a popularity contest. Your opinions shouldn't be able to be swayed so easily as someone saying "No, I think you're wrong" and you rewriting. That's being wishy washy and it looks scummy.Oman wrote:Any objections?
QFTTheo wrote:First off can everyone attempt when quoting other players to leave the person's name in the quote
I also find MoS way more defensive than I would even imagine of him for only having 1 (ONE) vote on him. It's simply uncalled for. He also stated that he hates being called out for stupid mistakes when he's scum more than when he's town, it appears to me he foretold his actions to a T. For this reason,Vote: MoS
I think as we're now at over 10 pages it would be advantageous to everyone to post their scumdars so we can get moving on the right lynch of the day.
Theo - I'm not getting any scum vibes from him. He made some blunders in the beginning of the game but are we going to be anal about it?
Vollkan - I particularily don't like that Vollkan has run into virtually zero opposition to all of his views. He comes across like a mediator and judge, his words supercede others. This I don't like. However he hasn't really done anything deserving of a scum metal.
Tyhess - Newb. Made too many mistakes to let fly though so i'm going to see how he reacts as time goes by. Wildcard because I can't really get a read on him because of his newbiness.
Flame - I never really saw the case against Flame, it seemed more to me that people were antsy and so they picked a target and ran with him, then Flame kinda crumbled and disappears.Mod: Please prod Flame
Acfan - Newb as well. However has made virtually no effort to contribute to the game. I have recently been smarted by lynching a lurker and then losing the game because of it so i'm anti-lynch-all-lurkers. I much prefer to prod them until they go replaced. Seems scummy.FoS: Acfan. Mod: Please prod Acfan
TH - Seems new to the game (gee, there are quite a few) but has made his effort to pull his weight. I don't see too much going on wrong with TH so i'm not too concerned, i'll still keep my eye out but I don't see any big blunders.
BS - Newb (again). I'd like to see BS post more in light of the recent activity. I also don't understand why he wasn't lynched. I don't understand why the bandwagon was dropped against him so if someone could point me to the post(s) that made him seem townier? Looks scummy to me.
MoS - Overreacts. Taking things personally. Overly defensive. Jumping on Oman for reasonably minor mistakes. Seems antsy and trigger happy. Looks most scummy to me out of the current living players.
Oman - Has a lot of trouble defending himself. Has no trouble joining in on bashing others though as was demonstrated in pages like 1-7 or something. Seemed like anything Vollkan said, Oman agreed with. Not really liking that so i'll keep my eye on you but still i'm leaving this without a FoS.
Pwayne - Strikes me as a pacifist. Seems to abhor confrontation and doesn't like to "dissuade conversation" by voting for someone (I have yet to see this work in reality, votes stimulate conversation) which sounds crock to me. Takes things personally and needs to realize it's just a game. I'm willing to attribute this all to newbiness though. No FoS but still somewhat suspicious.
CKD - I find myself agreeing with CKD a lot. I like many of his views and support him. He hasn't really done too much to arouse suspicion imo. I do recall MoS saying that we needed to pressure or something CKD but then MoS just kinda dropped what he seemed so adamant about. Hmm. No FoS for CKD.ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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*laugh* I'm no IC dude, completed 2 games and one of those I replaced into on Day 3. For for pacifism, it's just a general vibe i'm getting from you, however the things you have said are true about what you have done regarding controntation and so I retract that statement. It was said based off of your desire to not pressure vote to dissuade conversation (could you provide an example of when a vote dissuades conversation?) which I still interpret as a desire to not pressure vote.
So you've done (at the point I made that statement) nothing to get others to talk but you're "arguing that we put aside" the idiotic nonsensical blah blah for real game content related material. You said in essence "Guys! Stop whining and do something helpful!" while doing nothing helpful yourself. That is where I got my info from.Pwayne wrote:As far as what I have done to get the other talking. Nothing. I have been more focused on figuring out the logistics of this game. I am just arguing that we put aside the "gotcha" politics for a moment and determine a course of action.
Can you post your scumdar?ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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I agree that it's anti town. However I see things differently. Dr BS posted what he thought, it came across scummy and was interpreted by I think everyone as not protown. Are you saying we should've encouraged him to keep spouting off not protown statements and that would've made him less scummy looking?Pwayne wrote:Dissuading conversation is anti-town. Allowing Dr BS to state his full case, is pro town. Bullying him into shutting his mouth is anti-town.
Btw, the votes on Dr BS did stimulate conversation, in fact that whole bandwagon and the ensuing activity led us onto the future bandwagons. So it did actually stimulate conversation, just not conversation coming from Dr BS.ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
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I do love to stir the pot. I find it much easier to find scum that way. If you can piss everyone off then you can find the arguers that are justified and the ones that aren't. Justification is very very difficult to fake. Hence the reason I picked on you earlier, you passed btw, you don't seem that bad.
Really? I'm getting a different read, he seems pretty defensive to me (for good reason) and seems to be taking things seriously but keeps messing up his words and stumbling over himself.Pwayne wrote:Also doesn't seem to take much seriously. [Oman]ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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Yeah, well, stop evading and deal with the stuff brought up against you. It's all visible if you look in the previous pages. Oh and MoScum, post your scumdar.ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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Ok, so if you're hanging back and lurking and "trying to take notes"...care to share some of those notes? We kinda need something to talk about. Oh, and please post your scumdar(list of people who you think are most suspicious to not suspicious at all and why you feel that way). Please try to have your own thoughts too or i'll be inclined to vote you for piggybacking your way through the game, that's no fun because we've got MoScum to lynch.Dr BS wrote:Sorry!!! I just have this thing where I'm not quite sure what to say, jsut trying to take notes and watch. And lurk, which is funner than might be expected.ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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MoS, you're digging yourself a grave. Refusing to help the town is purely a scummy tactic. Making things personal, not protown at all. In fact i've yet to see you do anything protown, care to show me otherwise?
MoScum is the lynch for today.ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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Well, if it makes any difference I really don't like to lurk, currently i've got way too much time on my hands even with full time school so I just like to hang out around here. If i'm lurking, you better get me to give a reason. That or i'm really depressed (not ruling it out).
Ok, so would you say Tyhess is acting more like mafia or cultist?
What do you think of MoS's deliberate refusal to help the town find scum?
Thanks for posting your scumdar!
Mod, did you prod the lurkers(Acfan and Flame)?Mod Edit: Both have posted in the last day....ShowHouse Rules:
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2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
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Yes, everyone is going to defend themself. That's the norm and when you don't (as MoS is so aptly demonstrating at times) you draw suspicion. However, there's a level of defensiveness that is just too much, for example:curiouskarmadog wrote:think I stated I do not think defensiveness on a whole is scummy (some peopel think you are being defensive)...if someone is attacking you (scum or town) you defend yourself. I guess your problem is how he is doing it suggests he is scum to you...am I right? do I need to reread your post again?
I Vote Guardian opening of page 1, my first post. He then get's on and claims doctor and swears at me to remove my vote and calls me all sorts of names. That would be way above and beyond what is necessary and he would then be promptly lynched. It could be called hyperdefensive or whatever you want but the reaction doesn't fit the accusation.
Wow, i'm thrilled with all the progress that's been made today! Go town!
I like Tyhess's idea to post your top 3 candidates, that way we can focus on who's the most suspect and maybe start pressuring them, perhaps get a day1 crack.
MoS seems scummiest to me, evasiveness and complete uselessness to town
Tyhess is second, bandwagons galore and weak arguments, no original thoughts either except this one
Acfan is third, shameless lurking and of the few posts he's made i've not agreed with any(or most) of themShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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I'm not sure if you remember this or not but there are only 2 catagories of people in this game. Town and not town. Not town can be broken up further into Mafia and cult. So for me to say everyone is either town or not town....that's kinda obvious. Also, I made the conclusion that Acfan and Flame were sketchy and MoS was scum through doing my analysis.Oman wrote:WhiteI dislike white's analysises. Basically you're either newb, scum, or neutral.
There are also quite a few newer players (myself included) in this game...what's wrong with saying that?
I second Vollkan, what do you disagree with in my posts?ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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*cough*MoS*cough*Pwayne wrote:Just that some players seem more intent on maintaining a personal image than assisting the town.
Mod, did Acfan pick up his prod? Is he getting replaced? Can we get a status report on him?Mod Edit: He posted less than 48 hours ago...
Theo, I suggest (for the sake of the town and yourself) saying something like i'll post my thoughts in 72 hours or something. Right now you're being about as bad as MoS, evading and unhelpful as anything.
Tyhess, i'm going to have to agree with Vollkan here, focusing solely on 3 people for extended periods of time allows the mafia to sneak under the radar for a while, not to mention the mafia can go ahead and just kill one of our candidates while we're pressuring them and we lose all that time and info.ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
You have until Dawn.-
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Yeah, seems for the most part you've gotta ask some of these people straight up using their name to get their attention, I'm curious about what Pwayne thinks though as he's been contributory.
Honestly I do want Acfan to start contributing and i'm generally against lynching lurkers based on a recent game where that backfired but there's a fine line to walk between lynching lurkers for deadweight and lynching scummy lurkers. I haven't decided which on Acfan is though based on his...lack of posts.
Thanks mod!ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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How about some participation from you. Who are you thinking are the most suspicious 3?ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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QFT, Reading FTW.White wrote:I like Tyhess's idea to post your top 3 candidates, that way we can focus on who's the most suspect and maybe start pressuring them, perhaps get a day1 crack.
MoS seems scummiest to me, evasiveness and complete uselessness to town
Tyhess is second, bandwagons galore and weak arguments, no original thoughts either except this one
Acfan is third, shameless lurking and of the few posts he's made i've not agreed with any(or most) of themShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
You have until Dawn.-
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Oh gotcha. Hey, have you posted how you feel about it?ShowHouse Rules:
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2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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Well, how about who you think we would benefit most from focusing on?
QFTCKD wrote:AC post some content or ask for a replacementShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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Better than nothing.theopor_COD wrote:Scummy, newbish, looks town, lurker scum die scum, neutral.
I'd much rather we got some thoughts from Blackstrike, Flameaxe and ac1983 because all three are definately not in my looks town category at the moment.
I've found that focusing really heavily on lurkers slows down the game a real lot. Like a real real lot...they're lurkers. Expanded interests work wonders, not all scum and culties will lay low. I wouldn't be surprised if Vollkan turned up cultist.ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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How then do you feel on the past 9 pages?
Just a reminder, we've got 6 days until deadline and the highest amount of votes (as of last vote count pg 16) was 4.ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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Ok, I think i'd be ok with a MoS lynch and probably a Tyhess lynch. I'm unsettled on the Acfan wagon and not ready to lynch Theo.
Theo, could you give us your insights with a time limit? Seeing as we've got a deadline perhaps you could tell us how you feel 2 days before the deadline so we can start to wagon a guy and give time for a defence before lynching/changing wagons?ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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Oh wow....I wonder why I thought the 24th....
Nah, I just want to make sure you can put your word in on the lynch and i'm interested in your thoughts. I also want to give the person that get's wagon'd enough time to respond and deal with the accusations so that we don't mislynch.Theo wrote:You seem to want me to post a case on someone and then hope it's good enough to get a wagon on em and kind of let me take the blame, in a weird way.ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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Could it be because you're acting like scum? Evading questions? Being anti town? (please answer these questions)
You're setting yourself up for being lynched and if you turn up town...not too many people will be saddened, some people (myself included) would call you deadweight. You are contributing next to nothing.ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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Ok then, care to elaborate on what you're doing and how it's effective? I also don't see how you drawing suspicion to yourself isn't giving the scum an easy ride to tomorrow...ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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So you're saying you're deliberately encouraging people to bandwagon you and we're supposed to then sort out who's taking an easy ride and ignore the others? Or are we supposed to look for....?
That sounds like a really bad plan there MoS....heck, even if I were scum i'd be attacking you. Gosh, it's an easy way to look like i'm helping the town by attacking someone that willingly submits themself to it. Dude...that's really....not IC-ish...
Not sure whether you're scum now or not but that's a really bad and unthought out plan....
Are you saying you're giving yourself up for a lynch? Because if not then your plan fails miserably.ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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I was waiting to say this but that's not really a list of suspicions...that's a list of actions...attacking you isn't scumming necessarily, nor is defending you. Could you actually list your suspicions? Heck, if we want to see who's attacking you...it's not that hard.ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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MoS, I find it really hard to believe that's what you've been doing. Setting yourself up as scummy and then expecting everyone to flop away from your bandwagon because you come up with a lame and uncreative excuse is just newbish. This isn't a newbie game, as has been pointed out, so why in the WORLD would you expect the mafia to be classic mass produced stereotypical scum? My vote is staying on you for now but if you could hunt and mount a case (separate from "**** voted me, therefore they are scum") i'll be more willing to take my vote off of you. Hopefully (if you're town) you'll learn from this mistake. Acting scummy when you're town never ever works.
I must've missed where CKD was being a jerk to me...I don't feel any hard feelings toward him at all....?ShowHouse Rules:
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I can. Especially from someone like MoS. Not scumhunting is interchangable with allowing scum to live another day. If you're not hunting, you're helping. As for his defending suspected townie? That would be called buddying up to the town. Scummy again.ShowHouse Rules:
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Guess what? I also got lynched for bulling this crap. I would've expected much more from you, shame.MoS wrote:You're almost as bad as White. It's sad how you guys are calling my strategies stupid when you do shit like this.
[quote="MoS]You tell me I shouldn't expect scum to do any classic moves or be stereotypically scummy. Yet, when I act like a stereotypical scum, not answering questions, not actively helping the town, you think I'm scum?[/quote]
Scum, used as a plural. Seeing as you're experience but choosing to ignore such knowledge and act like newb scum, yes, I can see you being stereotypical. However I find it hard to believe your partner to be stereotypical other than that they may be on your wagon because of your likelihood of going down the drain.
Btw, stop putting words in my mouth. I never EVER said don't expect the scum to do anything classic or stereotypical. That's actions. I said don't expect the scum (people) to be mass produced stereotypes. Oh...and nice ever reactions there bud, 4 lines with 4 swear words. Did I hit a nerve?
Uh...waiting...White wrote:My vote is staying on you for now but if you could hunt and mount a case (separate from "**** voted me, therefore they are scum") i'll be more willing to take my vote off of you.ShowHouse Rules:
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I did it as a newb. You're experienced. An experienced player can't pull the newb card.Mastermind of Sin wrote:
This makes even less sense. You're saying you got lynched for acting like I'm acting? Then you shouldn't think that I'm scum for acting this way. You should know from past experience that it's a bad lynch.White wrote:
Guess what? I also got lynched for bulling this crap. I would've expected much more from you, shame.MoS wrote:You're almost as bad as White. It's sad how you guys are calling my strategies stupid when you do shit like this.
Bad Idea II, you intentionally killed a player so that it would look like the scum were newbs when in reality it was just a diversion. It's not beyond you to try and pull this again.MoS wrote:
Hmm. So, you think that because I'm acting like newb scum, I'm experienced scum? This makes no sense. Please explain how me acting like a newb makes me an experienced scum. That's a contradiction in and of itself. It sounds like if I was acting more reasonably you'd say I was experienced scum, and if I act less reasonably, I'm acting like newb scum, but I'm still experienced. Not only does this defy logic, you're just fitting the circumstances to the assumption that I'm scum, rather than taking the facts and seeing if they actually make sense.White wrote:
Scum, used as a plural. Seeing as you're experience but choosing to ignore such knowledge and act like newb scum, yes, I can see you being stereotypical. However I find it hard to believe your partner to be stereotypical other than that they may be on your wagon because of your likelihood of going down the drain.MoS wrote:You tell me I shouldn't expect scum to do any classic moves or be stereotypically scummy. Yet, when I act like a stereotypical scum, not answering questions, not actively helping the town, you think I'm scum?
Irrelevant other than that Ass is a swear word (you could use butt, but you didn't) and shit (regardless of being coupled with bull, which could've been used on it's own) is a swear word. Btw, you never dealt with the content of the post, you nitpicked an assessment that has nothing to do with the game at hand. Please deal with the content this time and stop being so anti town evasive.MoS wrote:
Actually, it was more like 1 line with 1 swear word. Learn to count, bud. Even if you're scum retardedly religious dude that thinks stuff like "stupid" is a swear word, there were only 3 in 4 lines. However, bullshit is merely an adjective used to describe something that is a ludicrously false statement, but combined into one word. Ass is not a swear word, either. "My ass" is merely an expression of incredulity. There is nothing vulgar about it.Btw, stop putting words in my mouth. I never EVER said don't expect the scum to do anything classic or stereotypical. That's actions. I said don't expect the scum (people) to be mass produced stereotypes. Oh...and nice ever reactions there bud, 4 lines with 4 swear words. Did I hit a nerve?
Nice mischaracterization there. I said when you start hunting scum (read helping the town) then I won't really have a reason to vote you. However that sentiment is rapidly disapating.MoS wrote:
When I find someone I'm sure is scum, I'll make a case for them to be scum. You don't need me to guide you around like sheep. This statement is a complete contradiction of what you've been saying. Before it's always "he's obvscum", but now you'd be more willing to unvote me if I just attack someone? That makes no sense.White wrote:
Uh...waiting...White wrote:My vote is staying on you for now but if you could hunt and mount a case (separate from "**** voted me, therefore they are scum") i'll be more willing to take my vote off of you.
Hmm, so that automatically clears you? By simply pointing this out it means you are aware of it and could be twisting it to suit your purposes. Besides, what better way to clear an experienced player than to act like a newb?Mastermind of Sin wrote:I didn't play how scum *should* play, which is what you're implying. No scum that actually knows what they're doing would act like this, but newb scum don't know what they're doing.
Ok, so what was presented as a main point and intention of acting scummy now appears to be a logical conclusion. Oh, well since I looked like scum, you can pretty much expect that scum would try and push for an innocent lynch. Isn't that logical? As opposed to your previous stance of, I did it to set a trap for scum, deliberately intent on catching scummy bandwagon pushers! Flip flop much on your main point?MoS wrote:There are town on every wagon, but people still look for scum on wagons, yes? There is no reason it can't be done in this instance..........I gave the town a wagon, and there is very, very likely to be one scum found on it.
This here just looks like an attempt to redirect the attention on him. It's not a case like I was asking for.MoS wrote:Unvote, Vote: Trojan HorseShowHouse Rules:
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Shameless Filler Post (I want to see the vote count, been waiting to ask since this pages was half full)ShowHouse Rules:
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...you must be on scum chat.
Vote: Oman
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Wow. Lots to read over night.
Ok, first off i'd like to say that Oman has (this is in agreement with what has already been posted) been acting very strange. I'm not sure whether it's scummy or just idiotic yet though.
The reason I never asked for a claim was because 1) He wasn't at -1 and 2) we had already had this nice big conversation saying rolefishing and asking for claims should be seen as scummy. In addition, the setup of this game makes claiming a very difficult situation for reasons we're all aware of.
MoS, read my whole posts next time. I metagamed you from Bad Idea II where you (as scum) killed someone to make it look like the scum was some newbie thereby discrediting yourself as scum. The reason this is applicable is because we were talking about your "tactic" to lure scum and how it was newbish and you said something along the lines of you couldn't do it because you're not a newb.
MoS, i've yet to see you actually do anything about analysing scum on and off your wagon other than to state the obvious. If you're not scum then OBVIOUSLY the other scum are on or off your wagon. That's just stupid and stating the obvious. Your vote on Trojan looked OMGUS to me.
I'm quite wary of the 2 votes that were -3 and -2 on the MoS wagon because they seemed not only opportunistic but hasty and given with little reason. Trojan, are we to believe you don't think MoS is scum other than for that one post preceding your vote? Because you unvoted saying that your concern was dealt with. The point made above your vote was sketchy at best.ShowHouse Rules:
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Ah yes, and last thing was supposed to be about the frenzy to unvote. MoS didn't claim, he was only at -2 (thought to be -1). That shouldn't really alert anyone because in order for MoS to get there he needs to be the most suspicious person. The votes follow the suspicion, there's really no need to have 3 people unvote as if he claimed or something. He did no such thing at all! Stop being so wishy washy. Don't vote unless you think the person is very likely to be scum or you're ok with the person being lynched. If you're not settled, don't vote. With everyone unvoting i'm thinking that one of them must be MoS's partner distancing but not ready to lynch his buddy.
My vote stands strong.ShowHouse Rules:
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Oh, my, GOSH. Get real MoS. There's no way to know (in the moment) whether you're going to evade questions indefinitely. You're the only one that knows how long you'll continue to evade. You can't expect anyone else to know that.Mastermind of Sin wrote:It's not useful to evade questions indefinitely. That would be retarded.ShowHouse Rules:
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QFT, I couldn't have said it better, this is what I was trying to say before.Pwayne wrote:I also know that failure to lynch at this point sets a dangerous precedent: that you are not accountable for what you say or for defending your positions.
Btw, I think this is least applicable to Pwayne as he was the first to unvote. The other people are the ones that i'm looking at strangely.ShowHouse Rules:
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I'm going to wait for Tyhess' question to be answered. MoS did bring up a point and i'm curious to see what follows.
*laugh* Dismissed *laugh*MoS wrote:The other 36 games will prove you wrong.
If you read my posts you would never have said this. I said in a previous post that the very fact that you mentions this opens up the strong possibility that you are twisting it to fit your desires. If someone else brought it up, that would be different. But it's easy for you to bank on the fact that you're changing your playstyle to fit this game independently and then making such an absurd statement that implies you never change your style.MoS wrote:You should listen to the people that can compare my play as scum to this game.
I do believe you never stated that in the thread. Hence my inevitable conclusion. Oh, of course not. Why would I ever think an experienced player would do something different? Haha, no, they are all the same and stuck in their invarying ways. /sarcasmMoS wrote:The theory that only newbies would've done it was a godsend that I used to play the entire town, but it certainly was never something that I would've thought of. So no, this isn't something I do as scum.
Agreed. However, you were at the supposedly -1 for quite a while. Over a day I believe (in this game, that's quite a while) so in all actuality you had your chance to claim, you just didn't.MoS wrote:It's retarded to lynch people without giving them a chance to claim.ShowHouse Rules:
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So you're saying a killing can't serve more than one purpose? How do you win?ShowHouse Rules:
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Being unkind with no content is COMPLETELY PROSCUM.ShowHouse Rules:
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Oman wrote:You suck at bandwagoning for pressure.
I don't know what you'd call it but I like to call it pressure. Contradiction? Yes.Oman wrote:I don't like how hard you're pushing the MoS wagon.
FoS: Oman
Defending MoS when MoS has shown himself able to defend himself perfectly fine, and contradicting yourself.ShowHouse Rules:
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So a vote can't serve two purposes? Black and white much?
Pressure initially, led to enough suspicion to cause a lynch. That second quote was to people that were putting MoS up near the chopping block. When you get votes that high, DUH you better be voting to kill.
Lrn2play kthxbaiShowHouse Rules:
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Hmm. I'm unsettled on MoS currently but i'm not sure I can really point to anything and say "Here! This makes you look like scum" or "Btw MoS, you didn't answer this and i'm still waiting". I guess it's more of a general aggitation as I really can't see how he's been helpful or done anything other than distract the rest of us from hunting scum (if he's town).
I guess for now i'llunvote: MoSbut if he starts being worthless again that vote is going back on him.ShowHouse Rules:
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To answer your question, i'd prefer a best guess lynch over a no lynch.
Welcome Kakeng.ShowHouse Rules:
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Gonna have to agree with this here. Now that we're getting back on track i'd like that extention.Oman wrote:
Yeah, if it has any bearing put me down.vollkan wrote:
For what it's worth, I would like an extension also.Mos wrote: An extension to next Friday would be nice. I think we're getting pretty good activity now, but it's really dumb to have a lynch rushed when we're finally getting back on track with out discussion instead of just talking about me all the time.
Oman, sometimes I wonder if you could just not say things. I'm not saying you just pulled a scummy manuever but more of a stupid newbie attempt at craplogic to lead a case against someone. Still trying to figure out if you're just a newb or if you're doing this deliberately.ShowHouse Rules:
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Welcome to the game, enjoy the read.ShowHouse Rules:
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I'm not getting you MoS. What's the meta I should be seeing?ShowHouse Rules:
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Flame....stop spaming.
MoS, i'm one of the first 3 people to request a deadline extention.ShowHouse Rules:
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^^Scummy over reaction to 1 vote.Flameaxe wrote:My schedule apologizes to you Oman. My post was a fucking joke I posted at work right before I left.
Flame, let's add a little heat.Vote: Flameaxe
I'd like to second the motion for you to disclose some opinions. If you've read the thread then you should have no problem giving us your thoughts on who's scummy and perhaps revise your vote to reflect differently if need be.
I'm not really getting scum vibes from Kakeng but i'm not seeing too much of an attempt to hunt scum. However I just replaced into a massive 100+ page game and didn't start scum hunting until i'd finished reading up and started to get a grasp on the players so I wouldn't judge him until he's finished reading up and starts playing.ShowHouse Rules:
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That right there sounds scummy. As town you should definitely have opinions on a game that isTrojan Horse wrote:The reason why you haven't seen any hardcore feelings from me yet is because... well... I sadly don't have any yet.27pages in. There is no excuse.FoS: THShowHouse Rules:
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My issues with MoS were that he wasn't searching for scum. His attempt to try and trap scum was his main reason which he later changed his mind on a bit. He was generally being unhelpful to the town. I found him to be overly defensive and he refused to answer questions for the beginning of the game.
He seems to have decided to seek scum more currently. I still don't like what he did and there's no excuse in my mind but that's not enough to lynch someone for. He's being much more helpful to the town right now. I still see him as defensive but not over the top. He's answering the questions that are posed to him.
My reasons for voting him are no longer valid or as valid as I believe they need to be for a lynch.
There are two ways (that i'm aware of) to read this. 1) You want to start your analysis of everyone by starting on me and Tyhess. 2) You want to start your post/analysis/overall analysis of White and Tyhess with this post...Flame wrote:I would like to start my analysis on White and Tyhess
Looking at both 1 and 2, you've not said what you set out to do. I believe everyone is still waiting on your scumdar and you gave a very one dimensional attack on me/Tyhess which could also be called a strong attempt at a defense of a wagon that's dead. Please try to keep up will you?
My vote stands. Your whole posts reeks of OMGUS and i'd like to see you start helping the town rather than rant about something that doesn't matter. I thought you read the whole thread?ShowHouse Rules:
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What pressure? You didn't even vote me. *laugh*ShowHouse Rules:
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Well currently i'm not feeling any pressure and I (very easily) dismissed your case so i'm kinda confused why you think you've actually got something.ShowHouse Rules:
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Ah sorry. I'm hungry and tired, I haven't eaten in 4 days and slept terribly the past 3 nights because of it. That's no excuse, I rescind my statement.
However i'd really like some harder core opinions.ShowHouse Rules:
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