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[Sammich]

Hello, I'm Sammich. I'm replacing schismatized dude.
I'll make my post as soon as I finish reading.

[Sammich]

EBWOP: Oh, my bad. /confirm

[Sammich]

Alright alright.
I'm a little worried that JDodge could be the lyncher.
First he put out the vote for Crub randomly, then more recently posted Kerplunk as the lyncher. Though Kerplunk is seeming very scummy, I don't think that JDodge, when questioned by Guardian, had much of a reason to vote and was just bandwagoning.
Meanwhile, on the other hand, I find d3sist3d ultra-scummy.
So yeah. I'm a little suspicious of both of them right now.

[Sammich]

Meanwhile, on the other hand, I find d3sist3d ultra-scummy.

Uh huh. Reasons?

When Guardian went on you, you shot back, even though I think it's pretty weird that you didn't know there would be few as six.
Also, when Guardian put the vote on you, you shot back with a vote on him. This didn't seem like an OMGUS vote to me, you're acting pretty protective, but I think you could've proved your townie-alignment without putting the weight on Guardian..

Right now,

FOS

: JDodge and d3sisted (didn't know there was only one 3, sorry about last post)

I'm a little skeptical about JDodge being town because he still hasn't provided a really logical reason for his Kerplunk vote, and I think it's strangely late for random votes. He may be a lyncher and d3sisted, I don't know but you seem like mafia to me.

[Sammich]

EBWOP: Also, I'm not trying to bandwagon you and force a mislynch as far as I'm concerned. I just want to sort out priorities so we can find our scums quickly.

[Sammich]

It may seem like that to you, JDodge, but where I come from we use reasons. Right now I have to get off the computer but tomorrow I'll post up some reasons why I am not exactly sure about your town-alignment, and possibly we could be seeing a mislynch at the end of the day by bandwagoning d3sisted if we can't get our facts straight.
Right now each and every one of us sees each other as perhaps a scum or lynch. The problem is, which one is right? Is lynching Kerplunk right? Is lynching Guardian right? Heck, am I right to be harassing the crap out of you and d3sisted because I might just think you're mafia?
I don't know. Right now I'm just a little paranoid, because I might be the lynchee.

[Sammich]

Well, sorry about that, Kerplunk, but I think the fact that this is my first Mafiascum game here may be leading to my overly aggressive play.
I know d3sisted is close to a lynch. My suspicions, still, are on JDodge and d3sisted.
I'm willing to vote d3sisted because he still, is pretty scummy to me, but if either Crub or Guardian is the lyncher, this game will be over on Day One.

My vote still stays on JDodge. I still am a bit suspicious of him.
And just for the record, the backward-ass place I come from is called the United States.

[Sammich]

Unvote; Vote No Lynch

On the other hand I haven't found much proof that anyone is anybody, though I still have my suspicion of JDodge.

Mislynchs won't help us at all.

[Sammich]

I am too.

[Sammich]

-Headdesk-
Where did I say in this game that I wanted a no lynch?

[Sammich]

EBWOP:
My bad.

Unvote; Vote JDodge

.

[Sammich]

Yeah whatever.

[Sammich]

Sammich, why exactly is jdodge scumz?

I found him suspicious. I wouldn't say he's scum exactly, because he could be lyncher or a townie, as much as I would be surprised.

[Sammich]

I don't think JDodge has much explaining to do, seeing he's done nothing but basically yell at people.
Meanwhile, on this case:

I don't want to give reasons, Guardian, but my guess is now d3sisted and Kerplunk. I feel that Sammich might be newb-lyncher and I might be his target.

Then it would seem I'm not getting anywere on your case, why are you worried that I could be lyncher?

[Sammich]

Because both you and schism are the only people who have really gone after me the entire game

That's not a valid point.
Schism isn't playing anymore.
Meanwhile, it's not my fault you're making yourself look suspicious to me.

[Sammich]

Yet you work around the fact that you're looking all suspicious.
If a mafia isn't that blatant, I don't know what is.
And you know I haven't been pressing my opinion on you, I went on d3sisted earlier and I still think he's not town.

[Sammich]

HOW DID I GET INTO YOUR STANDSTILL WITH GUARDIAN?
[/capsabuse]

[Sammich]

His posts are strange. But that may indeed be that he is a n00b.

That's one way to put it, I guess....

[Sammich]

Speaking of d3sisted, can we get a prod on him? He has not posted for like, three days now.

[Sammich]

I want to find the scum first.

A non scum lynch means lylo day two

-- and ignoring scum hunting means people can not give reasons for their suspicions -- like you are doing -- and instead just try and get someone lynched -- which would be perfect for the lyncher that you supposedly want to get lynched.

I think you are anti-town.

If we don't get rid of the lyncher we have to be extraordinarily careful even if we find scum.

JDodge, you haven't done much scum-hunting as apposed to lyncher findings.
If the lyncher wins, we all lose, but I think most scum would find getting the lyncher out of the way a #1 priority.

[Sammich]

I think that if you actually think about it a lyncher is more of a danger than the scum.

You thought?
No way!
Well, all taunting aside, who do you think has a good chance of being the lyncher? I know you're very pressed on your belief that I'm not town, but I would like to hear any of your other suspicions.

[Sammich]

FIRST YOU VOTE NO LYNCH IN A DAMN NIGHTLESS GAME, THEN YOU ASK ME WHO I THINK IS THE LYNCHER WHEN I JUST SAID IT.

CHRIST.
WAS THERE ANYONE

ELSE

YOU HAD GODFORSAKEN SUSPICIONS ABOUT?

[Sammich]

I'd actually like to take this opportunity to ask Sammich, why did you vote no-lynch, and what did you hope to achieve by it?

I highly doubt it was a coincidence that his suggestion came 2 posts after Kerplunk's vote on him. Looks to me like he got nervous at being voted, and maybe even a bit apprehensive of Kerplunk's suspicion. Whatever the case, he tried to lay the votes off himself before the case could escalate.

Meh.
Kerplunk's lifted his vote on me.
I wasn't nervous of Kerplunk's vote at all.
Personally I got worried when you and JDodge began bandwagoning against me on an easy case.
You also forgot about my vote of JDodge before the no lynch vote.

[Sammich]

Interestingly enough I'm trying to look for scum, not play "do what Guardian tells me to do", so I'm just going to start ignoring this and focusing on getting rid of Sammich the Lyncher.

More like JDodge the Lyncher.
Throughout the whole game you've been pressing everyone to vote me as lyncher.
Now I'm thinking you're the lyncher and I'm the target, now.

[Sammich]

Well, here are my read notes:
JDodge: I think he's lyncher now. Hasn't done much but yell at people and broadcast suspicions without explanations. Could be teamscum with d3sisted, considering the bandwagon they pressed on me right now.

d3sisted: Seems actually townish now. Maybe teamscum with JDodge. Also, how the hell do you OMGUS on someone else's behalf? Could actually be my lyncher, seeing the late push for a lynch on me.

Guardian: Seems the towniest of all right now. I'm a little confused on the "I think a Jdodge lynch today would be great."

Kerplunk: Meh. Sorta in the grey area. I don't see why he put the "over defensive" tag on JDodge. Overdefensiveness doesn't really register as a scumtell to me, no matter how jerky JDodge acts and how deep down I want to write his death scene in this game. >_>;

Crub: Can we get a prod on him please?

[Sammich]

Again, you say JDodge is teamscum with me and you want to write his deathscene, yet you're confused when Guardian wants him lynched?

Yes.

[Sammich]

Why?

Meh.

I am not OK with you having only one primary suspicion -- only one player whose alignment you have put significant thought into.

What's wrong with JDodge only having one suspicion?
I mean, yeah, I hate that it's me, but if he supremely believes I'm scum and has it out for me, then let him run on it.
This may be me just because I did cause both d3sisted and JDodge suspicious of me, but hey, what can you do?

[Sammich]

There are 3 scum in this 6 player game. Having only 1 suspect amidst 5 players of whom 3 are anti-town makes little sense to me, and is indicative of a scum perspective. That combined with Jdodge's strong desire to find the lyncher and not to find scum makes him look quite suspicious to me.

I know that tunnel vision sucks.
But since lyncher lynching target= Instant Lose for everyone else, I could see why anyone-scum or not- would want to find it as priority number one.
That's the reason why JDodge and I have pretty much gone tit-for-tat in this whole game. Or just me, if he doesn't agree with my reasoning.

Post 143: OMGUS vote JDodge.

Meanwhile, on this case I never labeled the vote as OMGUS.

[Sammich]

Why?

Meh.

That really isn't good enough. What is wrong with me advocating JDodge's lynch?

respond.

Nothing.
I just don't get the basis of voting on that, but whatever.

OMGUS is not necessarily voluntary.

Oh well. I didn't vote it as OMGUS, but if you find it that way, fine.

[Sammich]

My thoughts ...
Kerplunk = Lyncher
Sammich = Lynchee
Scum 2 out of these 3 in order of likeliness:
JDodge,Guardian,d3sisted

I don't see Kerplunk exactly as my lynchee...
I could see maybe d3sisted or JDodge, but not really Kerplunk. Even though his "I have no clue who's scum and who's not" claim is getting tiring, because it's basically replaying the whole point of the game.
I think Guardian is a legitimate town in relations to Kerplunk being paranoid about him.
All in all I don't think Kerplunk being lyncher being for real.

I don't like how he unvoted Jdodge, frankly. Jdodge needs 2 more votes.

Though Kerplunk seems weird in unvoting JDodge and then saying he doesn't know who scum is. If you put a vote on someone, you really should think they are scum/lyncher/other evil entity, I think.

[Sammich]

Back, kinda disappointed to see so little go on in 3 days. Keeping my vote on Sammich b/c me thinks he is scum.

I'd award you the "94950595904954390530th person to think I'm scum" award, but oh well.

[Sammich]

... Ok ...
So what exactly are you trying to achieve?

Nothing really.
I have my non-moxie moments.

[Sammich]

Oh good, a vote.
Let's get some content, people.
I'm still happy with my vote on JDodge.

[Sammich]

Yeah.
Prod Crub, his last post was 258593 years ago.

[Sammich]

Perhaps it's time for a deadline.
JDodge, I'm still waiting for you to make a recent post.

[Sammich]

That's nice.

I know right?
Nice like rice.

[Sammich]

Perhaps a deadline's in order?
It seems we're not getting anywhere.

[Sammich]

I'm not interested in hammering until Crub responds to my question. Him answering is useful regardless of Kerplunk's alignment, and I want to hear before Kerplunk dies, not after.

Also, I'd like to hear Kerplunk and Sammich weigh in.

Right now...

Crub-More posts nao or I'll go MeMe on your ass and lurkerlynch you. D<

Kerplunk- Come on. You're not being helpful at all. You're at L1 and still nothing doing.

JDodge- Be more smart. Caps abuse becomes annoying after a while.

d3sisted- Stop being so mean. But then again, you seem ultra aggressive advocating a Kerplunk hammer.

[Sammich]

Sorry guys, I have no time right now to defend myself. All i can say is that I am innocent.

No, don't give me that.
Although I see your post in the vacations/absences thread, you've got to be at least more helpful.

[Sammich]

Sammich made the mistake when he came that he voted for a no lynch, which is ofcourse utterly insane in a nightless game. What does this mean?

Yeah um, explained already.
JDodge

forced

suggested I get some logic and read the wiki, which I did afterward. This is the first game I was in, actually, because the Newbie queue was all slow and stupid.

Pretty interesting on what you think about Guardian.
I'm going to make a reread and say what I think.

[Sammich]

Okay, reread time.
From page one: Random Voteage. Guardian makes a random vote post and begins to act serious. He claims that he has "a 3/5 chance of hitting scum day one." And says not to get mislynched and basically whatever everyone wants to do and blah blah blah. He then nails Kerplunk with the random vote. Schis random votes Guardian for writing too much, and JDodge is all snide and being all JDodge-like.

Page Two: Schis acts defensive and pulls a JDodge over on Kerplunk after he says "What?" Crub is defensive on Schis' part. Guardian votes Schis, in agreement with Kerplunk, but soon after unvotes and sticks to a simple FOS. SV does nothing and is prodded. SV replies. Schis votes JDodge for IMO no exact reason. Keplunk votes Schis. Guardian and Keplunk have a brief discussion for a moment before it is realized SV won't be playing.

Page Three: Kerplunk admits he would BW someone. Crub says he's afraid of a Schis-lyncher situation. Guardian votes Schis. Crub, IMO, OMGUS votes JDodge for accusing him of lurking, but then not GODDAMNIT MY COMPUTER DELETED WHAT I WAS TYPING I'LL GET BACK TO THIS.

Really, what I'm seeing is this from lyncher info:
Guardian- I thought he was town, although he was quick to slam JDodge back on the hammering block after JDodge makes a post accusing him of backing off. Seems bleary now, although I still get a town vibe from him, but by all means, has been advocating a JDodge lynch for a while now.

Keplunk- Finally, more content from him. Looking back, didn't make an all-star analyzation, but originally puts JDodge at L-1. Personally, I don't feel him being lyncher

at all.

d3sisted- Maybe Kerplunk lyncher, maybe scum. Couldn't see him as town. Not so hot about him pressuring Guardian to hammer Kerplunk.

JDodge- I think he's not lyncher, but scum. Scum along with maybe d3sisted. They have not really gone against each other the whole game.

I'm happy with my vote on JDodge.

[Sammich]

Also note how Sammich conveniently leaves Crub out of his analysis.

Lol.
I said lyncher info. I don't find Crub lyncher at all.

[Sammich]

Good game guys.
I didn't think that Guardian was scum though.

[Sammich]

Because nobody believed me about Sammich, obviously. Possibly thanks to someone going "OMG LYNCH HIM LYNCH HIM LYNCH HIM" non-stop. GOOD JOB PLAYING AS LYNCHER'S HELPER.

I was about to unvote and hammer Kerplunk and try to nail you D2.
But then I decided "screw that", went to bed, woke up to see JDodge dead.
GUARDIAN THANK YOU.

[Sammich]

You know, I thought there was 3 scum in this game at one point.
But then I'd get lynched if I admitted that.