Mini 1755: Game Over

[Heat]

I can't omgus someone right now I'm almost disappointed.
VOTE: AlwaysInnocent
Gotta be scum sometime!

[Heat]

Heat is scum too. He probably wants an easy lynch. Highly opportunistic.

touchy and that's only the second vote on your wagon

[Heat]

Ok, I see where you're getting at Keyser. I wrote that poorly; I ment for the reasons others stated. Sorry for the confusion, but I still think you are being overly defensive.

So what are the reasons that others stated?

[Heat]

In post 42, Ircher wrote:
Oh, and I just want to point out that scummiest is a relative term, so when I use it, I might not neccessarily think they are scum; what I truly saying is that their play looks the scummiest. Do you understand what I'm saying?

So ... when you say someone is the scummiest, you might actually think they're town? Just the worst town?

Not neccessarily. Early game, yes, that's a possib)e way to interpret it. (as it was in this case)

I would jump on Pisskop's wagon for his very pooor conduct except he's at L-2 right now... Still, maybe we should policy lynch him?

Why are you jumping straight to PLing him? That's excessive honestly.

I've never played with PK before but am I the only one who finds the self-vote null? It doesn't ring like something scum would do.

[Heat]

You really should read my game in the sig.

Let's see.... Pisskop is not helping town at alll, is complaining a lot for no reason, self voted, and is overall making the game less fun or everyone else.

I think he would deserve a Policy Lynch, but as I stated, I'm not jumping on the wagon because there is a good chance I'm wrong and pisskop is just being stubborn.

It sounds a lot like you want his lynch but don't want to take responsibility for it

[Heat]

Heat looks focused on Ircher so far - waiting for him to engage with others too...

No ones rly been talking to me either but w/e

Yo AI, wanna explain that reads list?

[Heat]

That's a good way of not making me want to contribute

[Heat]

"Heat hasn't engaged anyone"
"Well, what about AI's read list? Can we talk about that?"
"Not until you contribute"

Please explain the logic there

[Heat]

My only read right now is that I don't think pisskop is as scummy as people are making him seem

That and I don't like ircher right. He's pushing pisskop but doesn't want to be held accountable for his lynch

[Heat]

Right now*

[Heat]

It's fucking page six omg chill out

Give me time to make reads and get engaged. D1 isn't my strong suit

[Heat]

Well, page 7

[Heat]

No ones rly been talking to me either but w/e

Yo AI, wanna explain that reads list?

@Heat

- what do you make of my initial reads compared to how you have read their early play?

Initial reads

AlwaysInnocent [town-lean] (I had initial problems with his playstyle, but after re-reading his posts I am seeing town-motivation in his interactions)

Spoiler:

Ircher [town-lean] (after the confusion with his use of "most scummy"/"scummiest" clarified, I like his reactions better - more natural, less illogical)

Spoiler:

AxleGreaser [null-town-lean] (I like his attention to detail and his close perspective of people's position. He is happy to follow up his questioning until fully satisfied. I feel like his probing has purpose.)

Spoiler:

I am in class and will answer this after when I get home.
Just letting you know that I've seen it

[Heat]

Townreading Heat and UTL at this point.

Why?

[Heat]

Initial reads

AlwaysInnocent [town-lean] (I had initial problems with his playstyle, but after re-reading his posts I am seeing town-motivation in his interactions)

Spoiler:

Ircher [town-lean] (after the confusion with his use of "most scummy"/"scummiest" clarified, I like his reactions better - more natural, less illogical)

Spoiler:

AxleGreaser [null-town-lean] (I like his attention to detail and his close perspective of people's position. He is happy to follow up his questioning until fully satisfied. I feel like his probing has purpose.)

Spoiler:

The only one who I agree with here is AG. Ircher seems incredibly intent to frame pisskop in a way that strikes me as really scummy. He suggests a PL, but then doesn't vote him because he doesn't want to push him up to L-1. He even acknowledges that he's likely to be wrong. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me, and it kinda signals to me that he knows more than the rest of us, aka he's scum.

I'm currently voting for AI (orig. it was a RVS vote, but I'm quite comfortable with it right now). Like who just refuses to discuss their reads list because the other person hasn't contributed? its a reads list, and you must have reasons for them. And I'd like to know them.

I like AG for town right now. He's engaged and is asking other people questions, and he doesn't seem like he has anything to hide. I'm in agreement with you there.

[Heat]

I also don't like Ras. I've barely done anything to deserve a townread. It's come out way too quickly.

[Heat]

Catching up tomorrow

[Heat]

1. I think there's a misunderstanding between Heat and me. The reason why I sugget PL Pisskop was because he was unpleasant and self-voted. As explained in my first game here, self-voting is objectively bad and good evidence of scum. I did not vote because I am wary of mislynches. Which, in Newbie 1666, you will be able to see I tend to err on the cautious side of things. Not to mention that we had three mislynches in a row that game (Zombie, who self-voted, Jake, who was being stubborn and uncooperative, and myself, because we were in lylo and there was lke a wall between me and DoTA who was town.) My reaction is normal.

I mean, self voting is bad and its a scummy action, but it doesn't necessarily make someone scum. The whole "lets PL pisskop!!" came really quickly after a few posts; I'm still holding my opinion that it was very opportunistic of you. In addition, you're now townreading pk, but you still aren't really stopping your whole policy lynch crusade? Do you still want to PL him?

Heat wants to know about AI's read list and reasons for it, but isn't giving one himself. Actually, he's only responded to Keyser's reads after Keyser directly asked him about it when trying to get him to engage more. After that he only says he doesn't like Ras because of questionable town read, and then we get nothing else. Do you have opinions on anybody else in the game? Would you like to give us your reads and explanations for them?

The reads I gave at the time were the only reads I had. But atm they haven't changed much. AG, keysoze, and PK all seem town, although I'm not as sure on pk. I like UTL for town too.

AI and ircher are still scum. ras is getting worse.

HEY RAS WHY ARE YOU TOWNREADING ME (you never answered </3)

[Heat]

UTL, what do you think about AI?

[Heat]

hmm
I'm not going to lie, I didn't think about it that way. I'll get back to you.

[Heat]

Wow, I'm rusty. I forgot how to play Mafia. Ircher has something off about him. It feels like he's just kind of saying whatever's convenient for him. Trying real hard to get something to start.

Leave Ircher alone. He is probably Town. He has a rather unique style.

Hi Chris Crocker

[Heat]

Heat's ISO looks sparse.
UTL questioned why Heat townread her, Heat's next post was to AI about "Chris Crocker," rather than replying to UTL.

I was on mobile and I wanted to post the joke before I forgot it ok let me LIVE

And yeah, my RVS vote changed to a real vote on AI. I have been tempted to switch to Ircher though.

[Heat]

I still don't like rask. I'm not really sure I want to lynch him today though. just gut feeling he might be a ML bait

[Heat]

UTL started out with some really strong analysis that I liked, and I do agree with a lot of her views on players, namely keysor and Pk.

She also has an Asuna avatar and I'm SAO trash so

[Heat]

I have already given my thoughts on Ircher

[Heat]

I'm undecided on droog

[Heat]

I'm also undecided on deus and massive. I haven't seen enough to form a solid read yet.

[Heat]

AI, can you give an updated reads list?

[Heat]

AI, can you give an updated reads list?

You like my lists?

I'd like to know where you're at, and it looks like some of your opinions have changed
Namely ras

[Heat]

@mod- VLA until Jan 17th

Keysor, I'll answer your questions when I get back.

[Heat]

I want to lynch AI today.
Hes been avoiding questions all week, and is trying to push me based on stupid shit he can't even prove (how tf am I being opportunistic this game?) and I hate how he defends ircher

I've only skimmed the parts I missed but those are my thoughts atm.

[Heat]

Hes been avoiding questions all week, and is trying to push me based on stupid shit he can't even prove (how tf am I being opportunistic this game?)

I can prove it.

Go ahead

[Heat]

scapegoat taken away from you.

Ah, it is quite fun how scum try to target the so called "easy" tarhets only to find it is way more difficult than they imagined......

don't flatter yourself.

[Heat]

Oh I'm back home now too so I'll be able to post more stuff soon

[Heat]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Red_Herring

Basically, AI has been doing the above the entire game.

does this mean you think he's scum or..?

[Heat]

missed it. thanks

[Heat]

Am I only leaning scum because of poe or is there something else?

I'm still waiting for AI to tell me how I've been opp.

[Heat]

Jeez UTL, did you roll scum again? And no Keysor, I never did answer that. I'll answer in a sec.
gotta make myself some food

[Heat]

Keysor, sorry for the delay lol these are my droog thoughts

Droog shows good early scumhunting, namely in 306 where he talks about his dislike of UTL's analysis post of the pisskop wagon, and in 349 when he tries to get AI to asnwer pisskops wagon. I like both of those posts because it shows that he's having original thoughts. He isn't sheeping anyone. I also like how he's been pushing AI to actually answer questions, which is something that he has failed to do repeatedly.

He also seems pretty town in his argument against ircher starting around 426. It culminates to a vote on ircher in 437 for all very good reasons.

But then, he drops his ircher scumread in 527 because he thinks ircher is town again. Because ircher is new. Gut feeling has me thinking thats off.

And then theres an argument with pisskop around 543 or so, but neither of them look particularly town in that so.

Looking at the beginning his iso was really towny and now its sort of fallen short. Theres not a lot of actual analysis going on anymore. But I think a lot of my problems with droog stem from the fact he uses enter too much.

I think I'm leaning null-town on droog now. I'm riding on that beginning towniness.

[Heat]

My gut reaction to this is that it is opportunistic. It feels like Heat has read the thread and sheeped the case on AlwaysInnocent. Unfortunately, I cannot see where Heat has personally got to "I want to lynch AI today".

I have been voting AI all phase and he has been my number one scumread.

Maybe if he answered my fucking question I wouldn't want to lynch him

[Heat]

So do you wanna answer that question now AI or nah

[Heat]

Droog shows

good

early scumhunting, namely in 306 where he talks about his dislike of UTL's analysis post of the pisskop wagon,

I see 306, I see the analysis.
Why is it "

good

" ,and what sets it apart from other scum hunting and analysis/reads that had already happened?

Nothing really sets it apart from anyone else.

[Heat]

Jesus Christ

How have I been opportunistic

[Heat]

still going after than non-existent opportunism, huh.

I'm about to go to class, so I don't have time to go through ras' ISO rn to figure out if I want to hammer or not. Currently I'm leaning not but we'll see if that changes when I get back.
Whats the overall case on him?

[Heat]

ftr I still want an AI lynch

[Heat]

I wasn't expecting AI to get nked tbh
I also wasn't expecting ras to flip scum but w/e. I love surprises!

Time to go look at who AI was scumreading

[Heat]

If your reads arent sufficient to go of of than something is wrong

yeah but my top scumread flipped town so clearly I need to do some reevaluating.

[Heat]

I'll do a readslist tomorrow

[Heat]

Readslist!!

[Heat]
[Keysor, Axle]
[Droog, boons, pisskop]
[massive, GR]
[Ircher, Performer]
[UTL]

[Heat]

if it bothers you that much, sure
I'll change it for next time

[Heat]

Speaking of NK, I have another theory on the reason AI was killed, but Boon would probably just use it as more reason to lynch me...

Just tell us. It's getting annoying when you say "oh, I have an idea!! but It'll just get me lynched so imma not say it trolol"

I really need a full re-read but I'm thinking Performer / Heat and I need to make sure it isn't just reactionary. Keyser, Axle still look good to me. Would like more Boon.

wanna elaborate?

[Heat]

VOTE: Ircher

[Heat]

20 / 900 = 2 / 90....

pls reduce ur fractions further

UNVOTE:

[Heat]

1/45

[Heat]

decimal fractions make me cringe

1/45 is 2.23%, btw

[Heat]

I unvoted ircher cause he answered my question.

[Heat]

And I didn't see any reason to move my vote during D1. AI was, at the time, my biggest scumread, and no one else pinged me as much as AI did.

[Heat]

I have problems with Ircher's "look at this post I made! scum wouldn't do that!!" because it's complete bullshit and doesn't actually mean anything. Scum totally would do a readthrough of the thread and make a big post like that because it seems like a town thing to do. So thats not really alignment indicative. actively jumping up and down pointing at the post in question is not town.

Saying "I'm town!" over and over again really doesn't mean a lot. pointing at a readslist and saying "I'm town!" is no different

idk if I'm making sense here

[Heat]

VOTE: ircher

[Heat]

look at this post I made! scum wouldn't do that!!

Did I say that? I don't think so.

You did say that

@UTL: One Question --> Do you think scum would take the time to go through the thread again and make the above post?

You are implying that because you

did

go through the thread and do all that shit, you are town. That's not how it works

How 'bout I ask this question: Is everything that is not

neccessarily

towny scummy?

Also, meta is a huge thing here, so: Is the way one person plays "wrong" just because it is different from another person who is "right"?

Maybe this will expand your outlook on things.

passive aggressive comments aside...
1. No. but if it's not towny then you shouldn't be doing it. We're here to find scum and lynch them, not fuck everybody else up by playing anti-town

2. No.

I wasn't expecting AI to get nked tbh
I also wasn't expecting ras to flip scum but w/e. I love surprises!

Time to go look at who AI was scumreading

An innocious sounding post, but maybe some hidden pretexts inside?

While I can see why Heat would reevaluate his reads considering two of his reads were wrong, why does he need to look at who AI was scum reading?

AI was killed for a reason. Perhaps one of them is because he was on the right track. It makes sense for me to go back and see what the person who was nightkilled was thinking.

[Heat]

@Keysor, UTL is still a scumread, just not my strongest atm. currently that goes to Ircher

And performer, why are you insinuating that me unvoting is me changing my mind about a scumread? I've already told you why I voted and unvoted Ircher.

[Heat]

...cause he answered the question that I wanted him to answer. Yeah, I still scumread him, but I didn't really have a reason to keep a vote on him at the time so.

[Heat]

@Heat
@UTL.

at this time that is not even a discussion for you to argue against.

Is the discussion about our associatives with Ras?

[Heat]

Mostly started with that bad vote on me d1, and it wasn't rly instant
Gimme an hour or so before we talk, I just woke up from a nap and I need to get food

[Heat]

What have you liked, UTL?

[Heat]

ok this Ircher vote isn't going anywhere
VOTE: Performer

although in reality I'm fine with either UTL or perf. its just the speed of the UTL wagon vs. the speed of the perf wagon makes me feel like perf is more likely to flip scum

[Heat]

that's L-1

[Heat]

I just said I'm fine with either lynch

[Heat]

RC is being very insightful

[Heat]

RC is being very insightful

you stop it I'm in appointments to look into my acid reflux this weekend I don't have time to read atm.

take your time then

[Heat]

On one hand performer has had a wagon almost all day and it really needs a hammer
on the other hand, I really, really want to flashlynch golden.

hmm

[Heat]

I want either a massive lynch or a UTL lynch today fyi

VOTE: massive

[Heat]

am i the only one who feels ircher less than genuine rn

[Heat]

gut feelings
you sound like you're trying too hard

[Heat]

I don't have a desire to lynch you rn tho

[Heat]

ircher can I pick an avatar out for you

[Heat]

Rc what's ur read on me

[Heat]

That's rude and also wrong but anyways

Why?

[Heat]

I want either a massive lynch or a UTL lynch today fyi

You appear to have left out
Why?

and done so rather a lot.

VOTE: Heat

...? What have I left out?

[Heat]

unless im suddenly blind, rob never included me in his reads list

where u at wrt me?

[Heat]

do I get to pull "im rc do what I say"?

it depends on what you have to say?

[Heat]

wait did you just hammer?

[Heat]

you didn't ok

[Heat]

ircher has been fearmongering and pulling AtE all fucking phase and it's really annoying but whats even more annoying is that I think I'm not scumreading him anymore and idk how I feel about that

[Heat]

ircher has been fearmongering and pulling AtE all fucking phase and it's really annoying but whats even more annoying is that I think I'm not scumreading him anymore and idk how I feel about that

So as you are around and earlier I pointed out that you had failed to provide the why for your reads.

perhaps you could responding by explaining some of them.

I'm bad at it but I'll do my best

I'm not really scumreading ircher anymore bc I feel sorta hypocritical I guess?Like I feel like if I was also in ircher's position (and I might be soon) I would do the same thing. At some point it's like "well, I'm a townie and if you guys are gonna lynch me it's not my problem". Thats the sorta feel i get from ircher rn

I want to give RC time to do his thing and please don't ask me to give a solid read on him because I literally can't. The only time I've ever been sure of his alignment was in LYLO on chatmafia when we crossvoted eachother and I was town. just going from his predecessor's slot im saying that he's town.

Going by the whole "one scum in UTL and Heat" thing then UTL has to be scum bc I'm town.

Rob is full of contradictions and opportunism and I'll probably vote for them when they respond to my question.

[Heat]

pardon the length but i have a pounding sinus headache and I'm really not in the mood to go really in depth as to "why" i have these reads.

[Heat]

Going by the whole "one scum in UTL and Heat" thing then UTL has to be scum bc I'm town.

This doesn't even make any sense. Why is it beyond you to even consider that whole theory is incorrect and we're both town, if you actually are?


(OOC, I hope your headache gets better, I get sinus headaches all the time, they're the worst.)

(thanks)

I don't think you understood me. I meant assuming theres one scum in the two of us, fmpov it has to be you. but thats only if there

is

one scum between us. its still possible that we're both town, but I'm not sure what the probability of that actually is

Axle, I'll look at ur post tmrw, I'm going to bed.

[Heat]

Hello! I am feeling slightly better than last night so I will have a look at ur post now axle

Also I want RC's input b4 we lynch

[Heat]

Rob is full of contradictions and opportunism

Your filter contains no mention that i can see of you mentioning those before now.

just bc I don't mention them doesn't mean I'm not thinking of them, thank u very much

Your question to Rob is...

unless im suddenly blind, rob never included me in his reads list

where u at wrt me?

and yeah you are blind

Spoiler: older stuff

The position of GR on heat has been clear, scum read Heat but never gets up to voting, or following up on the questions they have not had the chance to ask.
heat: Always the bridesmaid.

D1

Not going to be here for the next two days but I want a lynch on either Heat, UTL and Ras.

the interaction between Heat and UTL because frankly, they might be scum partners.

As I stated

before

, I definitely think that one of them is scum.

but i admit it was not in fact stated

before

.

Oh yeah, that vote on UCL can easily change to Heat.

I want to hear more from Heat since I've not had a chance to ask him questions and see his response.

So yeah GR, definitely thought one of you and UTL was scum.

and while the most recent read list did leave you out

Oh yeah add Heat to the Leaning Scum as well, forgot about him.

I guess I wasn't remembering this when I posted the question.

Which lacks >>>why<<< altogether.

So perhaps as GR is going to be posting reasons, the lean scum on you...

You could likewise give reasons for your read on GR.

I'm going to be flat out honest with you, I'm sheeping my townreads here because I don't trust myself this game, as my beginning reads were really not all that good. (ie. ras flipping scum, AI flipping town, perf flipping town. all of them were wrong) Me giving reasons for why I scumread GR are really just gonna be a reiteration of why theres a case on him, but I'll do it anyways

Reasons why I don't like GR
-GR was strong townreading performer, and then within the span of a few posts completely flipped his read. It's really oppourtunistic, and especially considering we know that performer is town.
-GR will not actually capitalize on his scumread of me, even though axle has given him multiple ways to do it. Like, GR is sure I'm scum. He won't vote me.
-This is preflip associations but Ircher jumping off the wagon suddenly setting of mega alarm bells

and then theres this particular part of a post, referring to Axle wanting to lynch me tomorrow

Yes because when I flip scum, you can charge right at him. BE. MY. GUEST.

and idk it just reminds me of a scumslip

[Heat]

And yes, I expect Axle to get nk'd next (Axle -- if you are pr, you better claim now... ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE VIG).

how does this help town in any way?

[Heat]

first of all kill =/= roleblock
2nd of all, him claiming only helps scum by telling them where they should kill

no. The only person who should claim is GR

[Heat]

RC, if the GR lynch doesn't go through, what do you think about an Ircher lynch?

[Heat]

first of all kill =/= roleblock
2nd of all, him claiming only helps scum by telling them where they should kill

no. The only person who should claim is GR

How do you know mafia has a RB?

So far, we have a Mafia Vanilla/Non-Vanilla Cop, A Town JoaT, and a Town Doctor.

I don't
You say we lose that PR for the night, but we really don't (unless its a cop) because a kill doesn't mean the role is roleblocked. So if he's a vig, the kill should still go through, a doctor's protection would still go through, a jailkeepers target will still get jailed

[Heat]

but you're blatantly rolefishing when we really can't afford it
you were doing some pretty bad fearmongering early today

I'm back to not liking ur slot again

[Heat]

I don't think you're getting what I'm talking about but the point is that under no circumstances should anyone claim other than GR

[Heat]

Axle, do you want me to go back through all the thread and add everything that I didn't say explicitly?

[Heat]

because I neither have the time nor motivation to do that

[Heat]

Axle, have you gone through irchers ISO to see what the fearmongering is? It's rly obvious so I shouldn't have to spell it out

I'm also on mobile and shit rn. Like I'll go find it and pull it up if you can't seem to find it but I shouldn't have to

Also assuming two mafia left we only have one mislynch left and I rly don't wanna go to lylo bc I fcuking hate it. Me saying "we can't afford it" is me saying let's not fucking go to lylo and lets do our best to lynch scum. I fail to see how that's scummy

[Heat]

huh, you're right about the lylo thing, I miscounted. good to know

[Heat]

you can't seem to find it but I shouldn't have to

yeah you should...

and then if it is that freaking obvious you perhaps ought be quizzing me about why I dont...

so have you looked through ircher's ISO?

[Heat]

"I play differently than other people on site, that's why I'm so scummy as town" angle you're slinging.

Go ahead and lynch me then. When I flip, maybe all of you will reconsider what I have said this game.

VOTE: Ircher.

I'm not going for massive. Who am I kidding. I shouldn't second guess my reads.

@RC - I have to do some kind of reaction test. Winkity wink.

................................

This really makes me think that you are determined scum trying to get a mislynch on me. I know I play in a way where I look like somewhat scummy, but rethink your stance for a second. And, also consider that some people just don't follow the site's norm, they play in a way that make the usual guidelines ineffective in determining their alignment.

well, I'm not scum. You are. I am 100% positive I won't be getting lynched this game. I don't follow the site's norm, so...i'm not basing it off that. It's that you really don't do anything or even really defend yourself besides 'mm...i think you are scum!!!! oh, think again about me being not scum...' yeah....

That's just what you and your freaking tunnel vision.

If you really reconsidered what other people thought about me, you may look at this in a different light. But you and your god-awful tunnel vision doesn't let you see anything except scum in me.

If you have a perspective that is so biased, then you will only see biased results.

this is what I find fearmongering/AtE
its a combination of "you'll regret lynching me!" and "Look, its not MY problem you all find me scummy! I just do things differently and its your fault u don't like it" and neither of them sit well with me (especially the "you'll regret lynching me thing.)

and then theres the whole PR conversation which was effectively him saying "We can't lose a PR or we'll be in an even WORSE spot than we already are" and... now that you corrected me on the fact that we have a second mislynch opportunity (assuming two scum left), we really aren't in that bad of a spot.

[Heat]

Yeah, ok, I need to make sure my facts are straight.

Spoiler: D2 Notes

1. In 871, Dier posts the N1 NK who is AI in this case. The flip was Town JoaT.

2. If it helps anyone, I will remind you that my D1 notes are in 877.

3. Boon lol-votes Performer in 888. -

A bit strange, but I forget Boon's D1 reads aside from myself. -

Null-Scum Indicative

4. 1st NK theory is in 904 by Performer: AI was NK'd because he was on the right track (PK/Heat/UTL)

5. Keyser's D1 Analysis is in 930, 967, 961, 964, 970, 979, and 982

6. My NK theory is in 966.

7. I just realized something!!! - In 948, Droog speculates about N0 actions -

That's actually impossible. Any changes to the Day/Night cycle (prior to Feb 5 change which bans it altogether) MUST be announced by the mod beforehand in normal games! Now, as far as town or scum, I could see it either way.

8. In 1049, Heat has a problem with the two questions I posed to UTL. -

When I asked the first one, I wasn't expecting an answer based on UTL's specific thoughts, I wanted a more general answer. So, I rephrased the question in a way that I got more of the type of answer I was expecting. Not that his answer really changed, but that his answer was more useful the second time. I can see some doubts as expressed by UTL to be acceptable, but Heat trying to paint it as scum trying to gain towncred was over the top and slightly opportunistic. -

Null-Scum Indicative

9. In 1062, Boon demands I just vote Performer. -

As much as I want to say this is scum trying to get players to somewhat quicklynch Performer, I just don't see that coming from Boon. It seems more likely a Boon who is just extremely frustrated with me and Performer and wants the day to end. Yes, I consider this a gut read for the most part despite the fact that I would generally think scum would encourage such behavior. -

Town-Indicative

10. Golden gives a list of scenarios in 1133. -

We can rule out 1 and 4 so we are left with 2 and 3. Imho, 2 sounds more plausible right now, so by Golden"s own words --

Very Scum Indicative

11. We need to reconsider the weight of !1147 and 1148 by Performer. I think we kinda forgot about them, but they could mean a lot. Also, note that Golden was being scumread by Performer at this point....

12. In 1151, Axle believes there are multiple nks. -

WHY???

13. The (still) unexplained vote switch by PK in 1177 -

Normal PK behavior -

Null-Indicative

14. Look, we even have a confession in 1231 that Golden's scum! :p

Not super useful, but yeah, evidence points towards Golden still.
Edit:

Yeah, I'm sticking with Golden....
VOTE: Golden Robster
And yes, I expect Axle to get nk'd next (Axle -- if you are pr, you better claim now... ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE VIG).

@RC this is what started the vig conversation

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Will you give me your undying love and attention if I sheep you

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I'm ok w/that
VOTE: UTL

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Walls walls walls
Gotta love them

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If we're going to lynch for info as PK suggested, I would think a Heat flip bit more informative than lynching GR.

Ok. So tell me then, what information do you gain from my flip?

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You can't say you'll gain a ton of info and then say you don't actually know what the info will be

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So
What info will I give? What info will GR give?

Why is my information more important than GRs?

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I would have preferred ircher answer that question rather than GR but whatever

And why do I give more info than UTL?

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This is for ircher and no one else, please

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then vote UTL

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Also imo this whole "info lynch" just seems like an incredibly easy way of mislynching a townie

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you declared that you are voting me because I give the most info

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compared to the other lynch candidates, at least

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compared to the other lynch candidates, at least

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compared to the other lynch candidates, at least

That only explains why you over GR; has nothing to do with you over UTL.

UTL gives effectively the same info as me. like honestly flip ya vote

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also i hate walls so i only skimmed that lol

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You know youd be a good lynch if we did lynch utl and they flipped town?

yes

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that wall was a clusterfuck of WIFOM and then "lets lynch heat!!"

so the reason you want to lynch me before UTL is because ras scumread her?

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you won't

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like, flat out. You're literally basing your vote off what a scum member said.

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UTL is a girl

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before I begin:
(Given the information I have from reading peoples posts) I am committed to lynching heat this game.
I am committed to lynching heat even if they are green checked by cop (Id then believe GF)
I am committed to lynching heat even if they are tracked when 1 scum left but kill happens anyway (Id then believe ninja or whatever it is that untrackable)
(Including a rock paper scissors, so town cant use roles as a crutch, is IMO good design.)
In the presence of checks I could well change my order but the lynch would still happen before game over.

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like if you're that committed to ur scumread of me then idk what to say to you dude

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if i wasn't playing the game, I would have been replaced for not posting.

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A much more recent Fake red check by Cowbells (in a finished game Dec 2016)

must be nice to finish a game in the future

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If I wake up tmrw and axle still hasn't actually voted me, I'll be sorely disappointed :/

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night y'all

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nah b

we're lynching ircher today. if it's not him, it's probably rob

VOTE: ircher

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...?

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nah b

we're lynching ircher today. if it's not him, it's probably rob

VOTE: ircher

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That's not my worry

it's that he said "If we are [lynching ircher], it'll be

in

LYLO" so like is he accepting that he's the designated lylo mislynch or is he scum claiming or what?

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p-p-p-pagetop

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I think the last scum is boon, will post more on that later.

I was tempted to put another gif here to piss of ircher but the long and the short of it is u better have some good reasoning bc I don't think he is

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i hope u like waiting though bc its going to be a few days until I can post a case on ircher.

because scum don't cluster like that.

WIFOM

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as long as we lynch either GR or Ircher today im happy

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Axle are you still dead set on lynching me

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Ircher, massive, GR
I have three lynches for you right there

And I'm not surprised that you're still scum reading me, I just wanted to know where you're at. Id be a bit more suspicious if you suddenly dropped the scum read of me.

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Hello we aren't lynching boons fyi

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i got heated up

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I'm busy for the next few days so I won't be casing them rn

Also when I do case them it'll be shitty bc I'm bad at casing ppl but w/e

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GR get ya head out of ya ass

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I'd prefer Boon over heat but w/e

No.gif

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i just find it funny how I was a town read of irchers going into today and now he's all like "I wanna lynch him" gurl get it together!!! Mess

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Like
Wrap it around your head that boons and I are not getting lynched

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I am unable to start a case bc I'm on mobile for the next day or so. I'll do my best to throw one together afterwards

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So for now I'll be content to yell at ppl for suggesting stupid things

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LOOK AT THIS SHIT.

HE WANTS A MASS CLAIM AT THIS POINT SO HE CAN GO FOR THE PR's.

HOW SCUMMY IS THAT SHIT.

Have you seen how many PRs have already flipped? We probably have only 1 left, if any

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I got the pm from boons too fwiw

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I'm ok with that order

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Though I will go 1v1 w/ircher if it comes to that
Probably won't.

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I'll hammer in about an hour if no one has any problems?

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VOTE: golden robster

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do u ever want to cry bc u knew you weren't getting night killed but you just really really wanted to be night killed

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Sorry for the absence
I'll read up tonight

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i am toying in my mind the idea of axle scum
and i think it might actually make sense

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the things i have in my head rn are:
AI was killed when i think they were the only one who wasn't townreading you
You said you were willing to lynch me so much you would assume i was godfather if i was innocent'd. where'd that confidence go
the fact u were so townread but not NKed yet is like... meh
also you kept on insisting u were about to be the nk which gave me bad feels

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Heat needs to participate more; Heat is watching from the sidelines while the rest of us argue.

hi would you like to know my schedule for this week?

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Yes, yes I do, as you have only posted like 3 times this day period. And unlike Massive, who I think has posted more than you this day, all of your posts are extremely short.

So, unless your schedule is so demanding that you cannot post more than Massive,

VOTE: Heat

I know this is somewhat unethical and rude, but quite frankly, you did signup for the game and now is a very crucial discussion time.

I had an assignment in japanese on monday. I had a two midterms today. I have a tow quizzes tomorrow, one worth 5% of my mark. I have a lab report due on thursday. I have another midterm on friday. and another one on the following monday.

life interferes sometimes.

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we have been blessed with a deadline extension

alright y'all

pisskop is the only person who i think is town rn

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Pisskop. Ircher is too scummy to be scum. what are your thoughts on that concept.

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because the amount of shit that ircher has said, like no lynching today
it's almost absurd to come from town

but at the same time I don't really see scum making that many scummy posts? cause when I'm scum I put effort into not making scummy posts whereas when im town i just kinda contradict myself left and right and like

hm

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I think my gut is leaning towards an ircher lynch today.

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Axle: why, in your opinion, does a UTL scumflip cause you to townread me?

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VOTE: axlegreaser

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its in my iso somewhere lemme go find it

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the things i have in my head rn are:
AI was killed when i think they were the only one who wasn't townreading you
You said you were willing to lynch me so much you would assume i was godfather if i was innocent'd. where'd that confidence go
the fact u were so townread but not NKed yet is like... meh
also you kept on insisting u were about to be the nk which gave me bad feels

doo doo doooooo

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I dod not look through Heat's ISO today like I said I would.

im offended

also you flipped hard on axle
whats up with that

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aaand now all of a sudden uur against a no lynch

hmm
I'm not sure I like this

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UNVOTE:

i dont want a quick hammer

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I am flip flopping between ircher and axle but i cant seem to make up my mind.

Ircher, I would like you to actually come up with scumreads instead of lynching someone you do not believe in

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ircher what r ur thoughts on jorts

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imo its between axle and ircher. I've decided i want to flip ircher

will hammer in a bit, to let ppl post thoughts if they want

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ok then
VOTE: ircher

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My reads were shit this game. Sorry guys
Gg scum.

Thanks for modding, dier!