Mini 488 - Killings in Clich├®-town - Game Over!

[IH]

Vote:Para

[IH]

unvote, vote:Mod

I don't understand why I have been prodded after missing one day of posting, and why a deadline has been considered when there has at least been 1 post a day per player. (in post number if there are 24 posts and 12 players, then that would be 2 posts per day)
<.<

unvote, vote:Handbanana

WAAAAAAGOOOON

I apologize. I was about an hour early with the prod. However, I did promise prods after an absense of 48 hours.

[IH]

Oh that scared me, mod editting votecounts X_X;

I thought we had accidentally hammered Handbanana.

[IH]

......................

What?

[IH]

Ignorance is not scummy, but I got the vibe that he was not really ignorant only trying to distance himself from the nightkill. Distancing yourself from the nightkill is a scumtell.

While distancing oneself from a nightkill is scummy, lets look at the facts.

Page one has FL's role.

Page two has nothing referencing this, and midway Jenter randomly talks about masons.

Now, is the reaction there "Oh I guess so" or "WTF, what does he mean by mason's?"

Also, I'm unsure how ignorance is distancing from the nightkill. Night 1 kills are random anyways, and roles are revealed in the daytime, and not to scum beforehand (in the case of doc protection or blocking) therefore that is a null tell.

unvote, vote:Jenter

for blowing something out of proportion, and jumping to a scummy conclusion I believe.

[IH]

unvote, vote:Trump

actually, as Jenter was the one speculating, and trump was the one accusing.

Apologies.

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Votecount:

as of post 74, end of page 3

IH -

2

(

Trumpezia, Kison

)
Head_Honcho -

2

(

Eyceking, D3sisted

)
Trumpezia -

2

(

IH, Paradoxombie

)
Eyceking -

1

(

Head_Honcho

)
Jenter Brolincani -

1

(

Jenter Brolincani

)
Slash -

1

(

SPAG

)

Not Voting - TheDeepFriedNinja, Paradoxombie

With 11 alive, it's six to lynch.

I am not infallible. If I make a mistake in the votecount, correct me.

[IH]

Para have anything to add?

Eyceking, what did you find scummy about Honcho's post?

On the other hand, why is there a sudden bandwagon on eyceking?

[IH]

your vote was already on him from your first post.

:Teach:

[IH]

I meant post 63.

Your first in that string of posts

= )

[IH]

oh look I should read.

<.<

[IH]

Yes, but I would still assume everyone read the death scene before posting.

It is distancing from the night kill because the scum would usually be more keen on seeing what roles they caught, really, because they still would have made a conscious choice, perhaps a rather arbitrary one, but a choice nevertheless.

So is this just your opinion, or do you have some kind of example to back it up, or just speculation?

You also assume it was a scumkill, and not a vigkill.

You also fail to answer my question of what kind of reaction it was.

[IH]

Now, is the reaction there "Oh I guess so" or "WTF, what does he mean by mason's?"

Also, realistically, it's just as likely that it was a vigkill. Or even an SK kill.

[IH]

I thought I had another game I was supposed to post in other than mini 480

Try to have some content tonight.

Kison, what was your old Ava?

[IH]

oh yeah, tom goes to the mayor.

[IH]

Ok, Jenter, you can take that vote off yourself now. I'm more than convinced you're just trying too hard to act town ("Oh look! My vote was still on myself! What a silly town thing to do, as scum would never do that.")

I was going to mention it earlier, but thought I'd wait a while longer.
Unvote; Vote: Jenter

Right now I'm convinced at least one of the following is scum:
trumpezia, Jenter, Kison, Eyceking

How definite a statement for page 4. I'm also unsure of your first string of logic of trying to seem town.

FoS:Desisted

I said, and I quote myself, "I'm not convinced you're the lynch for today." i.e. I do not think you are scummy enough to be lynched.

As for Kison, don't like the way his reason for BWing IH, the way he plays it off like it's a random vote.

Trump, for lurking.

Bandwagoning is not inherently scummy

Yes, but I would still assume everyone read the death scene before posting.

It is distancing from the night kill because the scum would usually be more keen on seeing what roles they caught, really, because they still would have made a conscious choice, perhaps a rather arbitrary one, but a choice nevertheless.

Yet here you say the opposite, don't you? Or are you trying to force a statement that, to intentionally look like town, I said "what do you mean by masons?" Just curious to how that is scummy.

Unless of course you're implying we have a doc/roleblocker.

Can't say myself, but it is possible we have someone else who can kill besides the mafia. It is a closed setup you know

It would be very stupid for a vig to kill at random.

Not necessarily. it is a valid vig strategy.

d3sisted is very scummy, I admit, but, i think this is how he plays. FoS: desisted for now.

Major FoS:GatorGuy

Just because I didn't provide reasons, doesn't mean I changed votes because of his one-liner rebuttal. Don't get presumptuous here.

Those 4 make up the player list minus the pro-town ones. I don't see the need for bringing up cases unless I'm backing up a vote.

Untrue, majorly. You are suspicious of them. WHY are you suspicious of them?

unvote, vote:Desisted

I'm just assuming you're just trying to either A.Cast suspicion on someone, or B.declare suspicion on someone so you can say you've been suspicious of them.

These assumptions that its desisteds playstyle are horrible.

Wow Jenter certainly does look opportunistic. Like he's trying to establish suspicion with absolutely no actual substance.

Unvote, Vote: Jenter

Hey, isn't that what desisted did?

I'm still here, but have little to add.

unvote if I was.

Srsly.

two votes is not a bandwagon.

Woo content! I took a little two-three day break from all of mafiascum because of tests and stuff.

[IH]

Thats pending on Desisteds alignment.

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Votecount:

as of post 160

IH -

3

(

Trumpezia, poppinpuffin, D3sisted

)
D3sisted -

3

(

Kison, IH, Vollkan

)

SPAG -

1

(

Head_Honcho

)

Not Voting - Gatorguy91, Vollkan, Jenter Brolincani, SPAG, paradoxombie

With 11 alive, it's six to lynch.

[IH]

Desisted do you mean me?

[IH]

Well that doesn't sound like it applies to any of my points.

[IH]

OK desisted, so why is your vote on me?

Could everyone else answer that question?

[IH]

I've noticed that IH is getting pretty tense about those pressure votes, including his case against me, which I see as an OMGUS response. What I mean is, I put a vote on him, and he instantly tries to deflect suspicion back onto me. Coupled with his post above, this is a very odd response I'm seeing.

So instead of trying to shoot down WHY I'm asking, how about you, and everyone else, answers WHY your vote is on me?

silly scum trying to avoid answering questions.

[IH]

Maybe I randomly vote and happened to hit scum. IH gets nervous for being put L-2 so quickly, and you leap onto a rival wagon.

I'm definitely liking what we're getting out of this pressure wagon.

In response to an earlier question, I consider IH to be nervous/apprehensive because he overreacts to a pressure vote, thinking it's a permanent vote and that I have reasons to back it up.

So me wondering why you're randomly on a wagon is nervous.

You know, not thinking that it's scummy for you to be on it.

Or to force players to present a case on me if they have one.

I'm nervous.

Got it

Also I was never at lynch minus two. It's 6 to lynch.

You also never answered my questions for how "you trying to sound scummy" was applicable to ANY of my points?

I'm not being tense, I'm playing this game.

[IH]

unsure why you just bolded parts of my posts.

Also notice how you ignored my question.

I've quite explicitly told everyone I bandwagoned to generate discussion. Yet you still think I'm on for real so rather than try to assist the discussion, you try to use it against me as evidence.

Well. You're staying on it. You have no reasons. We're not in the random stage. You act like you have a case. You don't.

My mistake, L-3. But that just contributes to what I said earlier.

no it detracts from it.

Then justify it. Denial won't get you anywhere. Turn off the tunnel vision and tell me why Poppinpuffin's 144 is cleared, yet I'm in the spotlight.

Because she never claimed to have a reason.

I've noticed that IH is getting pretty tense about those pressure votes, including his case against me, which I see as an OMGUS response. What I mean is, I put a vote on him, and he instantly tries to deflect suspicion back onto me. Coupled with his post above, this is a very odd response I'm seeing.

This indicates you made a case against me and voted me for a good reason, and for me to avoid that case I deflected suspicion onto you. But I didn't deflect anything, because, well, there was nothing to deflect from. I'm just plain suspicous of you.

[IH]

you know, there's more than three-four people playing this game. There should be more posts.

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Votecount:

as of post 183

d3sisted – 3 – Kison, IH, vollkan

IH – 1 – The Central Scrutinizer
SPAG – 1 – Head_Honcho
Vollkan – 1 – D3sisted

With

11

alive, it takes

six

to lynch!

Not Voting – 5 – GatorGuy91, Jenter Brolincani, Paradoxombie, poppinpuffin, ChronX

With 11 alive, it's six to lynch.

[IH]

Ok, so my other points have nothing to do with you intentionally trying to sound scummy.

You have essentially admitted to keeping on my wagon for the sake of a random wagon.

I am keeping my vote where it is.

[IH]

no it is SIX to lynch.

The majority of eleven is six.
The majority of ten is six

It doesn't become 5 to lynch until 9 is alive.

I mistakenly put 5 in the votecount. It should read 6 to lynch.
-MOD

[IH]

I'm still unsure how I became nervous.

Desisted, could you quote where I 'became nervous'? Instead of just me posting and catching up?

[IH]

Errr, why would you put a random pressure vote on someone when the game had already gotten going? Thats the whole point.

Also the case wasn't the result of your vote. It was the result of me catching up.

[IH]

Pressure votes rarely do anything btw.

[IH]

untrue.

Pressure to make a person talk is usually unhelpful.

A random wagon can be.

I think I may review my case on desisted in the next day or two, and really look at the exchange between him and volkan today.

[IH]

So, you don't think it's scummy at all that someone is trying to give someone else a free pass for "it being their playstyle"?

You also deserve this FoS.

[IH]

Chron, let me respond to the reasons you are suspicious of me, and I'll make a larger post tonight.

RE Nightkill:I will admit it could have seemed odd

RE:Gatorguy FoS:Pretty much don't look at the reasons and go out on a limb based on speculation, even though I had a valid reason. Pretty much say "nuh uh" and FoS me.

[IH]

/agree

unvote
vote Jenter

This desisted lynch is stupid. He plays similarly in other games I've been in with him. Its aggravating as hell that people who try to play the game are fingered as scummy, but the ones who sit back and do nothing out of fear (which IS scummy) get a free pass.

Well you're giving another scummy player a free pass for calling it his playstyle.

Sorry. Not buying. I would like some links to some completed games with his alignment confirmed also before I even

consider

this meta.

[IH]

So you have absolutely no idea how he would play as scum, or have their been those as well? If not how can you prove that he would post any differently as scum?

[IH]

I'll try to have a more substantial post soon, but

FoS:Head Honcho

from Jeep's list of scumtells.

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Votecount:

as of post 274

Jenter Brolincani - 2

(Adel, Vollkan)

Vollkan -1-

(IH)

Not voting: Everyone else.

With

10

alive, it's

six

to lynch.

[IH]

Uh, it's not exactly day 1

[IH]

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... ding_Mafia

[IH]

unvote, vote:Volkan

If you'd look at the pbp, it's more of a summary of Jenter's posts, and then instead of making any comments or commitments, he just questions the mod about if a lynch really happened (WHich is kind of pointless. It's not like we can take back the lynch)

[IH]

I know I'm going to kill Elias's soul but...

Mod, can I be replaced? I'm being detrimental to this game, and I can't replace out of my newbie games.

...
I feel dead inside... I'll starting looking. -MOD