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You'll be gone because you're coming to MoS-Faire?pickemgenius wrote:Heads up for everyone here, I know i've posted this in the Vacation thread already, but from June 20th-26th(ish) I will be on vacation.
95% I should have Internet access, just letting you know in case for some reason that doesn't happen =/
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It is helpful for someone to claim before they are lynched. At this point, I intend to lynch J-man, and his most recent posts have only convinced me further. Since he was only 2 votes away from lynch, I wanted him to claim. If he claim was believable, then we can leave him alive. It is better that we not lynch someone whose claim we believe is protown and make the scum have to kill them, rather than do the scum's work for them. I am not claiming that people should claim without pressure. That is not helpful. However, it is extremely unhelpful for the town for someone to refuse to claim when they are about to be lynched.Permanent V/LA.-
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This is why I <3 Adel. Pretty sure she is protown now. Will provide reasoning for this if scum want to try and argue with me over it.Adel wrote:MOS, I apologize for this horrible play so far.
Asking for a claim at -2 is not a scumtell!
There is a good case to be made for it, I disagree with it, but there is nothing inherently scummy about thinking that way. Waiting until -1 for a claim could a)result in an unaware noobie dropping the hammer or b)scum dropping the hammer.
I was hoping that J-man would argue his way out of his wagon without resorting to a claim, for the reasons I stated above. He has failed so far. My read is inexperienced scum.unvote vote: J-man
Note: J-Man is at -1 to lynch! No one vote for him without a dang good reason!
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Would you rather he be lynched without claiming? If claiming is really such a bad idea, why does it get done in every game on this site? Why has such a precedent been set if claiming is stupid?Kate wrote:
This is really stupid, if he's a doc or cop, he might claim, if he's mafia, he'll still probably claim cop or doc, or claim vanilla, like he did. If he's a normal townie, he'll claim vanilla like he did.Mastermind of Sin wrote:I would like J-Man to claim.
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J-man is not scum. Do not lynch him.
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I have a really bad gut feeling about him, especially after his last post. I just get the feeling that he's scum trying to push through the lynch on J-man, while telling him what a protown player should do, so as seeming to educate him for the good of the town. Also, I don't feel that J-man hasn't defended himself. He *did* post a defense, but it was a defense that struck me as the sort newbie town would make, being overwhelmed by the pressure he's under.
pickem's last sentence again sounds like a scum ploy, in that scum often tell the town to not be hasty, as a way of trying to seem protown. You rarely see protown players put that much emphasis in such a statement.
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Wait, if there wasn't a case worth lynching J-man over, why did you say he needed to defend himself? If there is not a case, there is nothing worth defending against. In addition, you said youfound him scummy because he didn't defend against a case for lynching him that you claim didn't exist.
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So, you're asserting that nearly every game on this site lynches someone Day 1 without that person claiming? Or are you saying they always no lynch on the first day, so that no one has to claim? And if they no lynch, what makes Day 2 any different? You don't have any information from the lynch, and some people died.
Claiming has to be done to gain information on scummy players. If they are townie, they should claim townie, although there are other strategies that I won't go into at this time. If they are scum, they can fakeclaim whatever they like. We'll figure out soon enough if they're scum. If they're doc, they should probably claim something else. If they're cop, they might as well claim rather than be lynched, because the doc can protect them at night.
There is definitely a point in trying to get someone to claim on Day 1. If they are scummy and close to lynch, they should claim, so that we don't reach a lynch without hearing their claim.Permanent V/LA.-
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First off, cop/doc/scum/townie are not necessarily the only roles I have. I just used them as examples because you did. Secondly, we gain information. We can see if his actions fit with the role he's had, we can decide if we think the possibility of his role being useful outweighs leaving him alive if he is scum. We gain a lot of things from a claim.Kate wrote:
I'm saying it doesn't make sense to want to get someone to claim, I'm not saying anything about a no-lynch, no lynches are stupid, my point is that if you tell someone to claim, you're not going to get any info, at least none you're sure of, you actually said it yourelf, what i've been saying:MoS wrote:So, you're asserting that nearly every game on this site lynches someone Day 1 without that person claiming? Or are you saying they always no lynch on the first day, so that no one has to claim? And if they no lynch, what makes Day 2 any different? You don't have any information from the lynch, and some people died.
I've been saying about what they'll claim the whole time, when they do claim, we won't know what they are, normal townies will claim townie, mafia will most likely claim normal townie, cop will claim cop, and doc will claim townie, so we know J-man, for instance, is either scum, a doc, or a regular townie. Tell me how this helped us.MoS wrote:Claiming has to be done to gain information on scummy players. If they are townie, they should claim townie, although there are other strategies that I won't go into at this time. If they are scum, they can fakeclaim whatever they like. We'll figure out soon enough if they're scum. If they're doc, they should probably claim something else. If they're cop, they might as well claim rather than be lynched, because the doc can protect them at night.Permanent V/LA.-
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Like I said earlier, he's already defended himself against what case there was. Therefore, if you say he hasn't defended himself, you must be referring to another case that none of us know about, which would've been enough to lynch him, combined with other actions. But you said there wasn't enough of a case to lynch him.pickemgenius wrote:Mastermind of Sin wrote:Wait, if there wasn't a case worth lynching J-man over, why did you say he needed to defend himself? If there is not a case, there is nothing worth defending against. In addition, you said youfound him scummy because he didn't defend against a case for lynching him that you claim didn't exist.
I said that the case didn't exist? I'm pretty sure this is what you are talking about, and if we're reading the same thing, NOWHERE does it say that a case didn't exist, just no case that warrented a lynch.myself wrote:I just really didn't feel there was any case against J-man that warrented a lynch
There still is a case against him though, so he still needs to defend himself. Just because in my opinion it doesn't warrent a lynch, doesn't mean that he doesn't need to defend himself.Permanent V/LA.-
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If THAT is the only thing he needed to defend against, then he had nothing to defend against. Your "case" is complete bullshit. That like saying "Yosarian2 was aggressive as scum in another game, so since Pooky is aggressive in this game, he must be scum!" or "BM plays really scummy as town, so since MrBuddyLee is being scummy right now, he must be town as well!" That is complete and utter nonsense. You cannot base your scumtells off a single example of another players playstyle as scum. What about the other scum in that game? Did they post a defense for themself? What about the people who refuse to defend themselves on principle? Are they all scum? You case is horrible, and it smells like a scum concoction to boot.pickemgenius wrote:Mastermind of Sin wrote:
Like I said earlier, he's already defended himself against what case there was. Therefore, if you say he hasn't defended himself, you must be referring to another case that none of us know about, which would've been enough to lynch him, combined with other actions. But you said there wasn't enough of a case to lynch him.
I still am not quite sure
qualifies much for a defense. Still.J-man wrote:well i can see that you guys are quite intent on killing me and ive spent a hour and a bit reading the posts over and trying to figure out a airtight argument that i could use in my defence, mabye its because of inexpierence that i cant find one but in any case im pretty sure that my defence is already statedand if there is another out there that thinks i am mafia... well then i cant do a whole lot to stop you.the defence behind the hinting about a power role is this, i was hoping that you guys would move on with out moving to the point that if i was i would have to claim.
That's my basic case against him. It for sure isn't hidden.myself wrote:The afformentioned scummy vibes i've recently got is that in my first game ever (Newbie 334) one of the scum didn't post a defense for himself, and only listed a suspicion list. So it'salmostlike deja-vu, with a different person.Permanent V/LA.-
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Adel, him not voting merely makes it look like he was trying to pile suspicion on J-man, who had a bandwagon going. That's a classic scum strategy, pushing the bandwagon without being on it. Then, he can go back later and say "hey, I wasn't on the bandwagon, don't blame me!" This makes me more sure that J-man is town.Permanent V/LA.-
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Had you hammered him, you probably would've been vigged or lynched the next day. Knowing this, you couldn't justify a hammer vote. However, you post a weak case that says to newbie town "I didn't think J-man was worth lynching based on what he did before, but now I think he is." this essentially tells a newbie that you support a bandwagon on J-man, so they might throw down the hammer, seeing such overwhelming support from the town.pickemgenius wrote:Mastermind of Sin wrote:Adel, him not voting merely makes it look like he was trying to pile suspicion on J-man, who had a bandwagon going. That's a classic scum strategy, pushing the bandwagon without being on it. Then, he can go back later and say "hey, I wasn't on the bandwagon, don't blame me!" This makes me more sure that J-man is town.
Me not hammering makes me scum?
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So...wait. You think I'm scum, but I haven't slipped up yet? And you really want to vote the guy thatJ-man wrote:i REALLY REALLY want to vote pickem but instead i willFOMajorS:pickem
you can't just jump on a forming bandwagon (clearly jumping on as it forms since you posted twice after Dylan but before your vote) and it clear that you had read up to that point atleast because you responded to MoS... your definatly pouring out scummy vibes over here.
and not to ignore the dylan fiasco :S wth are you on... your not this inactive in other games... so why this one he definatly lurking why? idk im pretty sure ive got my scum pinned down but this is making me rethink everything. so yea DylanIGMEOYIam leading the charge against? Please explain your thought process regarding this. If I haven't slipped up yet, why do you think I'm scum?Permanent V/LA.-
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\Adel wrote:pickemgenius wrote:Please again tell me where I imply I want J-man to be lynched.FoS:pickemgeniusfor not seeing that it is clearly there.
Now you see why I think he's scum? He was caught in a serious slipup, and he's doing everything he can to feign ignorance of what he's done, instead of trying to actually explain his actions.Permanent V/LA.-
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pickemgenius wrote:Mastermind of Sin wrote: Now you see why I think he's scum? He was caught in a serious slipup, and he's doing everything he can to feign ignorance of what he's done, instead of trying to actually explain his actions.
I got a few questions still.
1. what serious slip up?
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J-man is not scum. Do not lynch him.
vote: pickemgenius
I have a really bad gut feeling about him, especially after his last post. I just get the feeling that he's scum trying to push through the lynch on J-man, while telling him what a protown player should do, so as seeming to educate him for the good of the town. Also, I don't feel that J-man hasn't defended himself. He *did* post a defense, but it was a defense that struck me as the sort newbie town would make, being overwhelmed by the pressure he's under.
pickem's last sentence again sounds like a scum ploy, in that scum often tell the town to not be hasty, as a way of trying to seem protown. You rarely see protown players put that much emphasis in such a statement.
Die suck scum die?Mastermind of Sin wrote:Wait, if there wasn't a case worth lynching J-man over, why did you say he needed to defend himself? If there is not a case, there is nothing worth defending against. In addition, you said youfound him scummy because he didn't defend against a case for lynching him that you claim didn't exist.
Nice try, scum. Die now, kthnx.Mastermind of Sin wrote:
Like I said earlier, he's already defended himself against what case there was. Therefore, if you say he hasn't defended himself, you must be referring to another case that none of us know about, which would've been enough to lynch him, combined with other actions. But you said there wasn't enough of a case to lynch him.pickemgenius wrote:Mastermind of Sin wrote:Wait, if there wasn't a case worth lynching J-man over, why did you say he needed to defend himself? If there is not a case, there is nothing worth defending against. In addition, you said youfound him scummy because he didn't defend against a case for lynching him that you claim didn't exist.
I said that the case didn't exist? I'm pretty sure this is what you are talking about, and if we're reading the same thing, NOWHERE does it say that a case didn't exist, just no case that warrented a lynch.myself wrote:I just really didn't feel there was any case against J-man that warrented a lynch
There still is a case against him though, so he still needs to defend himself. Just because in my opinion it doesn't warrent a lynch, doesn't mean that he doesn't need to defend himself.
You've been avoiding addressing what you did directly by claiming to not know what you've done.2. how am I trying to feign ignorance from what i've done?
There: (as if it wasn't fucking obvious, were you not feigning complete ignorance, since this is the post that caused me to vote you in the first place)3. Please again tell me where I imply/say I want J-man to be lynched.
pickemgenius wrote:My vibe-o-meter™ just went from wishy washy to more likely scum. I'm not really happy with his last few posts.
I felt that you only answered latter two.Adel wrote:why are you not scum? What have you done that is pro-town? Who is a better candidate for scum than you? What have they done that is anti-town?
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The afformentioned scummy vibes i've recently got is that in my first game ever (Newbie 334) one of the scum didn't post a defense for himself, and only listed a suspicion list. So it'salmostlike deja-vu, with a different person.
I do agree that we needto comment on J-man, so that we don't come to a hasty conclusion.everyonePermanent V/LA.-
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There wasn't, really. And what little case there was, he had defended himself against by the time you made your post encouraging more suspicion of him.pickemgenius wrote:Let me understand something.
mos wrote:you found him scummy because he didn't defend against a case for lynching him that you claim didn't exist.
me wrote:just really didn't feel there was any case against J-man that warrented a lynchme wrote:I said that the case didn't exist? I'm pretty sure this is what you are talking about, and if we're reading the same thing, NOWHERE does it say thatcase didn't exist,ajust no case that warrented a lynch.
There still iscase against him though, so he still needs to defend himself. Just becausea, doesn't mean that he doesn't need to defend himself.in my opinion it doesn't warrent a lynch
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If he has 6 votes, there is obviously some case out there which 6 people felt he should be lynched.
I just wasn't buying it.
I'm going to use some very overemphasized examples here just to get the point across to you and HungryJoe, because you just aren't getting it.me wrote:
3. Please again tell me where I imply/say I want J-man to be lynched.mos wrote:There: (as if it wasn't fucking obvious, were you not feigning complete ignorance, since this is the post that caused me to vote you in the first place)
me wrote:My vibe-o-meter™ just went from wishy washy to more likely scum. I'm not really happy with his last few posts.
Adel wrote: why are you not scum? What have you done that is pro-town? Who is a better candidate for scum than you? What have they done that is anti-town?
I felt that you only answered latter two.
Town members NEED to defend themselves always.
The afformentioned scummy vibes i've recently got is that in my first game ever (Newbie 334) one of the scum didn't post a defense for himself, and only listed a suspicion list. So it's almost like deja-vu, with a different person.
I do agree that we need everyone to comment on J-man, so that we don't come to a hasty conclusion.
I don't mention lynching J-man once in that, the word lynch isn't in it.
Telling him what he should do if he is protown is implying I want him to be lynched?
Saying that I found it weird that he really didn't defend/said he would hammer himself implies I want him to be lynched?
Me not FOS'ing, IGMEOY, or voting him, for a shit example I gave (and I knew it was shit, that why I didn't vote him) implies I want him to be lynched?
Please note that any votes made in quotes are not actual votes.
After making this post, can I really say that I clearly did NOT claim cop, just because I didn't say the fucking word? No, I can't, because everything I DID say strongly implied that I was a cop.me in some hypothetical world wrote:Hey guys, guess what. I am 100% sure that Adel is scum. I investigated her last night, and my sanity is confirmed, so everyone please vote her and kill the scumz.Vote: Adel
After making this post, can I come back and say that I was clearly NOT pushing for his lynch, because I didn't say I wanted him lynched, and the word "lynch" never appeared in my post? No, I can't, because the statements I made implied that I wanted him to be lynched, with or without my involvement.me in some hypothetical world wrote:Wow, NabNab just made the scummiest post in the history of mafiascum. I can't believe he's getting away with this bullshit.Permanent V/LA.-
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I'm inclined to believe that he was doing both a) and c).Adel wrote:
I sure MoS will make a more spirited defense, but it did seem a little like pickemgenuis in the post in question was eitherHungryJoe wrote:You guys are freaking out on pickem for what seems to be absolutely nothing.
a)giving subtle encouragement for someone else to drop the hammer,
b) fishing for an excuse to drop the hammer, or
c)making a strong pro-town statement in slight defense of a townie he knew was about to be mis-lynched.
I think a) is the most likely, and c) is the least, but all of them are possible outcomes that would benefit pickemgenuis is he were scum and J-man is town. I didn't take that post to be too scummy. pickemgenius's later defense of that post seemed a little scummy though, and MoS seems really convinced.
The primary scumtell I'm holding against pickemgenuis is a low content:postiness ratio. Which is exactly what you accused me of. Ironic.
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The problem is, if you are inferring that someone should hammer, why not do it yourself? That's the sort of thing that only benefits scum. If a protown player wants someone else to do something, it better be something they're willing to do themselves. Only scum try to coerce people into doing their job for them.Permanent V/LA.-
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*ring* Hello, is Vito Corleone there? I know we've never talked, and you probably don't know who I am, but I know someone who needs your help...
Seriously, I put pressure on J-man to see how he would react. He reacted in such a way that I felt quite sure he was protown, and I acted as such.
Also, wtf? Why is it that you pressure the bandwagon leader when the townie does something stupid such as lynch themself, but not when someone else hammers? There is nothing inherently scummy about hammering a protown person. In either instance, the person supporting the bandwagon the most is probably the best place to start looking for scum. However, I was not looking for a lynch on J-man. I was looking to pressure him and see how he reacted, including his claim. The only way to get a genuine reaction is to act as IF I'm willing to lynch him. If he knows he's safe, he won't give a good reaction to read his alignment from.Permanent V/LA.-
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Adel, please revert to your original configuration, where they are in a circle, that is much easier to understand and keep track of. For one, all the lines are straight, and your eyes aren't dodging around trying to find people. It's easy to trace everything and make sense of it. Your other graphics just make my eyes glaze over. Otherwise, I feel that can be very helpful.Permanent V/LA.-
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No. It was not his roleclaim that convinced me. It was his actions. The post right before I declared him protown is the one that convinced me he was protown, not his claim.NabakovNabakov wrote:Ok MoS, so your defense is essentially that you were just doing a very good job of putting pressure on J-Man so you could get and be convinced by a role claim, and it worked. In case anybody doesn't remember, here's his claim:
J-man wrote:now i was really tempted to claim cop/doc just to make you guys squirm because i know that since i am a vannilla townie i really dont have a whole lot of use to you guys, i mean kill me if you will althought esspeccially this early in day 1 its not a good idea (and yes nomatter how many pages we have turned there really isnt any info that has been gleaned)
my eyes are on dylan pickem, and the admiral and i think i shall FOS:MoS
from left to right is where my suspisions lie, i shall clarify and defend myself at a later date bit of a time crunch for now
He threatened to vote himself? I didn't even see that...at least I don't remember seeing it. It didn't influence my actions in any way. In addition, if I was scum, why would I not just sit on his wagon and be quiet like everyone else and let him hammer himself? No one was going to come after me for letting him kill himself, since they were all on the wagon as well...if you want to find scum on the J-man wagon, look to the people that hopped on without much contribution, and who haven't been making many statements about alignments. Scum are generally not willing to commit to declaring a person definitely scum or town, because that puts them in a position they can't back out of.Two things:
1) There seems to be a general consensus (which I agree with) that J-Man's claim is less than credible.
2) Two posts later, you still seem less than convinced:Mastermind of Sin wrote:It is helpful for someone to claim before they are lynched. At this point, I intend to lynch J-man, and his most recent posts have only convinced me further. Since he was only 2 votes away from lynch, I wanted him to claim. If he claim was believable, then we can leave him alive. It is better that we not lynch someone whose claim we believe is protown and make the scum have to kill them, rather than do the scum's work for them. I am not claiming that people should claim without pressure. That is not helpful. However, it is extremely unhelpful for the town for someone to refuse to claim when they are about to be lynched.
After his initial claim, J-Man continued to post jumbled messes (no offense meant) in his defense, certainly not anything that could conclusively clear him. The action that eventually sparked your proclamation and unvote was his threat to vote for himself. (Not a scum-tell or a town-tell, but just a tell for apathy and frustration in general)
Are you a lawyer, NabNab? If I didn't know better, I would've almost voted myself after such an excellent display of reasoning. Unfortunately, before you try to present a case to the jury to convince them that a person's actions were done maliciously, it is imperative to acquaint yourself with the accused first, finding out their mannerisms and quirks.It may seem odd that I'm basically accusing J-Man of being scummy, but saying MoS is scummy for driving his wagon. At the time of MoS's proclamation, J-Man appeared very scummy, so it makes even less sense that MoS would clear him so quickly. It's unlikely that he came to the conclusion that J-Man was town through his posting, and the only other explanation is that MoS is part of the informed minority a.k.a. scum. When MoS revealed to us information that he had no right to have, he proved himself to be scum.
And MoS, if youcanexplain definitely why J-Man is town from his posts, I would be happy to pay attention. As a relative newbie, there may be some essential element I'm completely missing here. In that case, I'm sorry.
Anyways, I have to admit you do have a valid theory. The only thing I have to point out, WIFOM as it is, is that a person such as myself would know that claiming someone is innocent without any sort of indication that they are is a scumtell, so I wouldn't do it as scum. Now, this doesn't prove me innocent, but it DOES mean that you can't use that argument AGAINST me, because what I said could very well be true, even if it is WIFOM.Permanent V/LA.-
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This statement is RARE to see coming from scum. It would take a very sly scum to admit that there is nothing they can defend themselves with. Most scum in his position would bluster and attack others, trying to get attention off themselves.J-man wrote:well i can see that you guys are quite intent on killing me and ive spent a hour and a bit reading the posts over and trying to figure out a airtight argument that i could use in my defence, mabye its because of inexpierence that i cant find one but in any case im pretty sure that my defence is already stated and if there is another out there that thinks i am mafia... well then i cant do a whole lot to stop you. the defence behind the hinting about a power role is this, i was hoping that you guys would move on with out moving to the point that if i was i would have to claim.
He makes a very astute observation, having the guts to put some pressure on the two most prominent players in the game, who no one has tried to stand up to so far. Were he scum, I think he would attack some easier positions, going after other people on his wagon, perhaps.on a different note this game is being run quite effeciently by 2 people adel and MoS imo they can effectively control and direct the discussion which if either of then are mafia (speccially adel) then town has already lost pressure needs to be applied to them but i can/t see that happening as they are both coming to the conclusion that each other are townie
Saying he is vanilla can be argued either way, but my gut feeling in this case is that it's a sign of his protownness. Another accurate observation, that killing him then would bring us into the next day without much info. Also, while I think he's wrong, I don't think that scum would make such an out-of-left-field guess as to the setup. He could've been attacked even more for making such a suggestion, so there was no advantage to be gained from making such a statement as scum.finnaly i have this to say as my last line of defence i am Vanilla, not mafia; killing me on day 1 with this amount of info that you have is a bad idea you will go into day2 with very much the same amount of info and adel and MoS pushing for the first townie that makes an error in common speech, if it means anything in quite convinced that there are no power roles.
That post alone contained some good contributions to the game, you just need to break down his posts and look at it.Permanent V/LA.-
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Wait, you know it's bad logic, but you'll stick with it? That makes no sense whatsoever. All it takes is a quick look through past games to realize that you are wrong. I can't count the number of times I have replaced into a game as scum. Off the top of my head, there was Dichotomafia and one of the DP games (11, I think). I haven't done any replacing in over a year, for the most part, so it's hard to recall the various games.Permanent V/LA.-
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I can think of one game offhand that I am not in right now where I know of multiple replacements who are scum, but I can't say anything, because the game is still ongoing. Needless to say, though, it exists.curiouskarmadog wrote:Mastermind of Sin wrote:Wait, you know it's bad logic, but you'll stick with it? That makes no sense whatsoever. All it takes is a quick look through past games to realize that you are wrong. I can't count the number of times I have replaced into a game as scum. Off the top of my head, there was Dichotomafia and one of the DP games (11, I think). I haven't done any replacing in over a year, for the most part, so it's hard to recall the various games.
well you have that experience to go on. I am a betting man, and have noted how many people bow out of games (that I have then replaced) and were town, yet they are strong posters on other threads….that I am sure they found more interesting because they probably had power in other games. So far in my career with this game (this site and others), every time I have been a replacement, I have been a townie.
...at any rate, it was just a theory...I have not read too many threads that I am not in...can you direct me to one that had such a scenario?
At this point in the game, replacements are not on my radar. This game is up to 3 now right? I think there are far more scummier people in this thread.Permanent V/LA.-
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What information do we gain from lynching dylan today? We have nothing to go on from his lynch, so we just revert to everyone else we were attacking today. He is most likely not scum, and his lynch will not accomplish anything. I'd rather just request that he be replaced, because he obviously is not playing the game, nor does he have any wish to play. Even if we can't replace him, though, we can just ignore him for now, and he'll be lynched/vigged/nightkilled eventually.Permanent V/LA.-
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J-man, you do realize that you have barely been more helpful than Dylan this game, right? Also, I maintain that pickem is scum. J-man and Dylan are not likely to be scum, and lynching them won't help us that much. We'd get some information from the J-man lynch, but at the cost of an obvious protown. It is quite clear that his "scumtells" come from his inexperience, not a malicious, clever plan to kill the town.Permanent V/LA.-
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I believe that given the two to choose from, dylan is the scummier, because I actually CAN show you where J-man has been protown, and I have already done so in this game.
That being said, I do not want either J-man or Dylan to be lynched. They are protown, and I'm highly amused that both of them have attacked me repeatedly this game, but that just contributes to my feeling that they are protown at this point. I'm sticking with my pickem vote.J-man wrote:well i can see that you guys are quite intent on killing me and ive spent a hour and a bit reading the posts over and trying to figure out a airtight argument that i could use in my defence, mabye its because of inexpierence that i cant find one but in any case im pretty sure that my defence is already stated and if there is another out there that thinks i am mafia... well then i cant do a whole lot to stop you. the defence behind the hinting about a power role is this, i was hoping that you guys would move on with out moving to the point that if i was i would have to claim.
on a different note this game is being run quite effeciently by 2 people adel and MoS imo they can effectively control and direct the discussion which if either of then are mafia (speccially adel) then town has already lost pressure needs to be applied to them but i can/t see that happening as they are both coming to the conclusion that each other are townie
finnaly i have this to say as my last line of defence i am Vanilla, not mafia; killing me on day 1 with this amount of info that you have is a bad idea you will go into day2 with very much the same amount of info and adel and MoS pushing for the first townie that makes an error in common speech, if it means anything in quite convinced that there are no power roles.Permanent V/LA.-
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You *don't* think J-man is inexperienced as well? Most of the arguments you are applying to say that Dylan is protown apply to J-man as well, which is why I do not support lynching either of them.curiouskarmadog wrote:well, I am sure we can go round and round about who we think is scummer. I admit I can not find much that proves that Dylan is pro-town, but I think he is just inexperienced, as indirectly and unintentionally proven by J-man (describing Dyaln's other games). At least we both agree that a Dylan lynching proves little. I do some what agree with J-man however...if Dylan does not post more soon, he should be prodded then replaced. Replaced or Lynched seems pretty apathetic to me, J-man. Since you are referencing other games, these games that you have always resulted in a lynch, was Dylan mafia or town? If we play smart, and not lynch the VI, we wont get into a lylo situation.
If he is to be replaced, I would like to see how the replacement acted, before we lynch him.Permanent V/LA.-
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I believe newbie scum would act differently.Numenorean7 wrote:
I can understand how you don't see Dylan's and J-man's behavior as scummy, just newbie. But I don't see why you are so sure they're pro-town: can't newbies be scum, too?MoS wrote:Yes, I believe that ckd could very well be scum. The only people I would not be willing to lynch right now are myself, Adel, Dylen, and Crub (aka J-man)
Welcome to the game, Crub. Good beginning. I completely understand about the huge thread to catch up on: you have my sympathy. 8)
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