Mini 458 - Game over!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hey guys. Re-reading here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Just a thought...I am sooo annoyed that Pickem isn't going to be back until next week.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This is my list after a first quick re-read:

Pro-town:

ThAdmiral
Nab

Leaning pro-town:

Kate

Scum:

Adel
Pickem

I'm going to use this as a point in which to refer to when I am going to analyze in depth, but it could be cool if you guys posted your general thoughts and feelings.

[Albert B. Rampage]

(shrug) one of these days I won't find you scummy >.<

[Albert B. Rampage]

(shrug) I have good reasons this time.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nah don't think so, but thanks for the offer.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Adel's picture fucking scares the shit oout of me....kinda like the phantom of the opera female version.......

I dunno, nab man, why are you asking me these hard questions ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Okay, I have some metagaming evidence that Adel and Pickem are scum together....first, there was that one time when pickem jumped in the middle of one of our games to defend Adel. That doesn't make sense for him to watch Adel's game unless they are tied, right ? And I lynched Adel in the other game pickem was in, so this is definitely the game they are mafia together.

Alright, on to my second point. Shit, I forgot. Damn......okay I will get back to you :S

[Albert B. Rampage]

He was reading one of Adel's games because he popped in with the sole intention to defend Adel from me(not that she needed that).

So I am sure they have a relationship. She betrayed us, Nabakov. We are tools to her.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Omg he is back before the 20th. LAL.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It makes a lot of sense to me, plus something else that I can't remember because I had too much to drink last night.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I REMEMBER NOW.

Alright. Adel messaged me to replace in this game shortly after I volunteered to Per, as indicated by the post I asked Per to make. I don't know if I'm allowed to quote pms from other players, but I don't think Adel will lie about this either.

Note that I mislynched Adel twice when she was a doctor, so she thinks I'm going to go easy on her with some of her WIFOM. The only reason why she would want to play me again is to get a chance to ridicule me. This makes perfect sense to me. She would never invite me to play if she were town, because we obviously don't work together well as a team.

This fits her personality perfectly, and she would have no reason to ask me were she town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Okay, why I think ThAdmiral is town, is because I've been scum with him once and I think I can get a feel for his play when he is evil.

Kate doesn't seem evil to me either since Adel was attacking her. Oh, and btw Adel, Ryan told me everything. You're obsession with numbers, you're scummy behavioral patterns, the pm you didn't want me to know about....

I have a great feeling about this one.

Vote Adel

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh and I forgot to mention her lynch the lurkers scum tactic.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Perfect. So instead of pickem saying straight-up that he was there for you, he made a detour and said instead that he found the player list interesting.

In you're opening posts you were saying:

So long as there is a player out there that I don't have enough information on to found an opinion upon, I'll refuse to extend that player the benefit of the doubt.

Also, I find it laughable that you say you sent a similar pm to Jalyn and Guardian, since Jalyn basically gave you the victory, and Guardian, well, we all know what Guardian thinks about you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I could conclude that this is the game you are scum in.

OMGUS ? A nicely added touch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What I am not taking for granted is that he probably doesn't require a claim to determine who the power roles are. Between the 12 of us there are 11+10+9+8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1= 66 relationships.

This is what I refer to when I talk about your obsession with numbers as scum. As townie you let yourself go more, but as scum, you put the monkeys in your head to work and figure all these mathematical equations. I have yet to see you do this as town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I perfectly understand that I may be alienating everyone else, but its like I was seeing the matrix. I'm seeing things in you that they can't see. I could try and explain certain things, but they would just seem unbelievable or unsubstantial.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I am sure pickem and you were exchanging pms of personal matters during the day and mafia matters during the night

[Albert B. Rampage]

Actually, I read those and most are obvious:

50% there's a cop, 50% there's a doc...that's not a formula.

"Less information = less basis for lynch votes = greater % of a mis-lynch." This has nothing to do with numbers altogether.

"If someone gets to -3 or -2 to lynch" Once again nothing to do with what I am talking about.

Basically only the first two posts were correct, and you featured them prominently, while you know fair well I wasn't in that game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've just finished reading the game from which you quoted those two posts. It seems evident that you purposely and actively acting as if you were scum to avoid the NK. A lot of players jumped on you for that, too. Here's something I can relate to:

I don't understand Albert's "strategy" as described here. What possible good could acting erratically gain you, except being lynched as quickly as possible?

Without discussing ongoing games, can you explain?

I think I can. Being new to mafia, you can read the wiki and old games all you want but still not really understand what kind of behavior will prompt what kind of reaction. For example, in the last newbie I was in with ABR and Mr Flay as the mod i was the doctor and i faced a pretty sure lynch towards the end of day 1, I ended up claiming to avoid the lynch but I messed up my claim badly enough that i was lynched day2 for the loss. From the beginning of Day 1

I knew that I wanted to be a little scummy as to avoid a NK

, but I didn't know how to be scummy enough to avoid the NK but not be lynched. If I had been lynched more often in previous games (only happened once before at that point, and that was a totally quicklynch) I could've done a better job of avoiding the wagon. Figuring out what exactly will get you lynched is an important skill. I just got lynched in a second game, this time a mini, where I was also the doctor but this time I didn't claim Day 1. Apparently this is an area where I really need to improve. I think it is better to royally mess up one or two games than to lose four+ games in a row (like I have) because the boundaries have not been explored.

[Albert B. Rampage]

As I said, you were PURPOSEFULLY acting scummy in that game as well. Let me quote something....

Unvote, vote deadscilent

hammer. I lied to avoid the lynch. sorry. you can lynch me tomorrow.

And then she hammered the townie innocent. This does prove that you were in your scummy mindset when you did it. And I know you can't be doc in this game, because you keep saying that you suck so much as doctor. Cop is dead. You're not a power role this time Adel, you are scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hmmm...regardless, I think she is pretty scummy. She found the cop, and advised to shoot him. Then backtracked with some WIFOM.

[Albert B. Rampage]

NO U

[Albert B. Rampage]

With a period at the end for emphasis.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I can just picture you smiling as you type that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Personally, I'd take Adel over Dylan because of the scummy vibes I get from her.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What is "Queasy" ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Eww/

[Albert B. Rampage]

I agree with Num, I think both could be mafia together.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well, there are three of us, I obviously meant the other two of the three, but for the reasons you stated.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Odds of being scum is 1 in 4.

Adel has been town in the last 3 games I was in.

I rest my case.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Not when its you that's using it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

CRUB ROCKS!!!

[Albert B. Rampage]

I too believe Adel to be scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Word. I'm not sure I believe that claim, but until we get a counter-claim...

Unvote, vote pickemgenius

[Albert B. Rampage]

Haaa I finally get to lynch Adel-scum.

Unvote, vote Adel

[Albert B. Rampage]

Crub, pickem, and ABR are now uber-suspects because they fell for a rather obvious fake-claim.

What BS!!!

It is fucking

policy

to unvote after a power role claim. A doc for mafia is perfectly acceptable.

I am pinning pickem as scum since Adel would 100% distance before going down, since she knows she will go down after doc counter-claims and she will discovered as scum (trust me I know).

Let me repeat...

ADEL AND PICKEM ARE SCUM PARTNERS.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Tar is town and Crub is town, that much I am sure of. MoS = 80% town as well. Nab played well. Crub I feel indifferent towards atm. Pickem = scum, Adel as well.

[Albert B. Rampage]

EBWOP

the second crub = Num

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can you show me which part you are referring to ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote
Vote: Adel

If my votecount is correct, that's a hammer:
1331: Crub puts Adel at L-1
1360: Crub unvotes, L-2
1362: pickem unvotes, L-3
1363: ABR unvotes, L-4
1364: Kate votes, L-3
1365: NabNab votes, L-2
1367: ABR votes, L-1
1373: Num7 votes, L-0, Adel lynched

This was obviously a scum gambit to out the real doc. The sad thing is that it worked. At least we've got one scum. Probably two, actualy:

HUGE FOS: Albert B. Rampage

for actually

asking

for a counter-claim!
Townie points to MoS for 1366.
Tar may well be the third scum for over-reacting to Adel's scumpartner claim. The way I see it, Adel was trying to get MoS lynched. If Tar was lynched and came up scum, the town would believe her scumpartner list and lynch MoS. If MoS was lynched and came up town, the town would disbelieve her list and see Tar as confirmed. Either way, MoS dies. Like Maz said, a steel balls gambit. Disregarding the fact that Adel is a girl...

BS. I was the first vote on Adel and the one to have started the bandwagon.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I hope your not buying into all that crap.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I kindof doubt your writing skills, to be honest. If you were asked to lie, no problem all my money would be on you. But writing...I mean it takes a lot of patience...and talent.

But, you know what ? Knock yourself out.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: Numenorean7

Let's wrap this up, baby.

[Albert B. Rampage]

In a big book chalk full of black marks.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Thanks Nab. I think we can't go wrong with a Num7 lynch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

C'mon guys let's do this.

[Albert B. Rampage]

5...mafia didn't send kill at deadline.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Like MC hammer said, 'hammer time'.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: Tarhal

[Albert B. Rampage]

Bah!

You think your life sucks ? Your problems aren't so bad.

I'm kinda pretty...and pretty damn smart
I like romantic things like music and art
And as you know I have a gigantic heart
So whyyy, don't I have a boyfriend ?

FUCK! It sux to be meee

[Albert B. Rampage]

Cut it out with the OMGUS already MoS

[Albert B. Rampage]

I see where you're getting at.

Unvote, vote Crub

[Albert B. Rampage]

pockem makes no logical sense.

Unvote, vote pickem

[Albert B. Rampage]

(shrug)

Its fun to vote for pockem

[Albert B. Rampage]

(shrug)

Its fun to vote for pockem

OMGUS voting me in a different game.... that's new for you.

Oh noes1, I have stooped to your level.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let's just vote Crub out.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm withholding my vote for the hammer.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let's vote Crub outta here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh yea, I also think that Num7 is still scum with Adel, but yea. I'll get to all that eventually.

This was said before Adel was lynched, so its very townie.

Why isn't everyone on the Tar wagon? Did no one else see the self-destruct when Adel "didn't claim"?

This was when me, nabakov and MoS attacked Num7 after the night no one died. Very scummy.

Can we lynch Crub yet ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Now I have a case against pickem. *nods*

your case on me is that i've rarely voted?


that's a powerhouse of a case.

You still have yet to explain why you didn't vote Adel OR Num7,

both of which were pretty obviously scum

.

you see that's the difference between you and me. (see:bold)

I'm not nearly as confident in things as you are. I wasn't sure Adel, or Num were

OBVIOUSLY

scum.

Then why did you vote Adel ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm going to have to hold my analysis until this weekend. If I don't have homework to do (probably I will :/), I'll do it. Just look at Adel's posts at the beginning of D2. It's pretty obvious that she was scum. She was the one who thought MoS was the cop, she was the one who killed MoS, who was not acting like a cop at all.

*looks at Adel's posts at start of Day 2*

hmmm....

They don't come across well with me...

Adel had buddied up with MOS Day 1...gave him godlike powers...

Started to go after MOS basically after MOS said he was suspicious of Adel...

Adel then halts off the MOS wagon for some reason...I wonder why...

Vote: ADEL

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let's lynch Crub now. Any more posting is a waste of our time.

[Albert B. Rampage]

BS. We are wasting our time. Let's vote Crub out. Now.

That is all.

[Albert B. Rampage]

QFT

[Albert B. Rampage]

LYNCH CRUB NOW.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We've seen her as doctor 3+ times. She plays like a madwoman.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Pickem why aren't you voting Crub ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote Crub k ? Or at least demonstrate that you are making an ongoing effort to find which is which. I'm finding time long.

[Albert B. Rampage]

On what specific subjects ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

...why

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm pretty sure Crub is scum guys. I have been on his bandwagon from back then when it was still popular, and I'm sticking with the old school.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I thought I did have my vote on him. I voted pickem in the next post, so I forgot about this.

Unvote, vote Crub

[Albert B. Rampage]

Kate, hammer the last scumz plz.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Pick hammer Crub.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Both probably vanilla townies, I think its safe to hammer.

[Albert B. Rampage]

will claim vanilla townies*

[Albert B. Rampage]

O.K. that looked scummy as hell. What I mean is that I don't think there are any power roles left to claim.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm pretty certain that we won guys and gals.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Tar... what do expect claim wise honestly...

I

know

I'm town. I

KNOW

that Crub used

NO

logic and presented

NOTHING

against me when he voted for me.


think about that...

I expect you to roleclaim NOW. If you do not, then I WILL drop the hammer.

Pick is at -2 and Crub-scum has been lynched. GG.

[Albert B. Rampage]

In the off-chance that Crub is town, I'd be looking at ThAdmiral to be scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm pretty certain that we won guys and gals.

Wait, was pickem's vote the hammer.

If we don't win today, he dies tomorrow. I don't care what his claim is.

I'm pretty sure Crub is scum, and if he isn't ThAdmiral should be gone next.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: Pickemgenius

ThAdmiral supported a lynch back then when it was unpopular to vote Adel so I trust him more. MoS did a lot of scum-hunting and kate counter-claimed. This leaves me with Pickem.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm vanillla.

[Albert B. Rampage]

LOL he's lying. OBVOBV lie. Let's lynch the bastard.

[Albert B. Rampage]

KILL PICKEM.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lmao. Awesome job, lads!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Man I swept in thinking I'd never get an Adel lynch. Lo and behold I garnered support from both ThAdmiral and MoS, and we got the three scum pretty effortlessly.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well I wouldn't have gone after Num so hard if I were exclusively here to lynch you and pickem. And at that point I believe I had already lynched you in 471, so I wasn't that pissed at you anymore.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The thing with you is that you were easily caught because of your OMGUSness. All three of you reacted the same way to suspicion.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No it wouldn't.

[Albert B. Rampage]

lol noob scum got their asses handed to them =) /slightly joking

I was completely bullshitting about ThAdmiral. He was the most confirmed pro town player to me after kate, I just didn't want him to die during the night.