Mini 488 - Killings in Clich├®-town - Game Over!

[Jenter Brolincani]

vote; The Deepfried Ninja

On the gorunds that anyone who has been deepfried and is still able to log on to a web forum must be an evil sorceror...

[Jenter Brolincani]

Damn. Oh well.

vote;jenter

'cos I'm a moron...

[Jenter Brolincani]

vote;me

for voting me...

[Jenter Brolincani]

We can guess that two is a pretty normal number of masons, three is possible but two is commoner.

[Jenter Brolincani]

Normally when minis include masons there are two, sometimes three of them (except in 462, where there were 6). Slash asked how many was likely, so I replied.

[Jenter Brolincani]

Wow, I got cloned so I could vote for myself more...

By page 7 I'll have lynched myself at this rate.

[Jenter Brolincani]

unvote; myself

Sorry, busy days.

desisted; not liking the way you're talking about 'the lynch for today' on page 4. NOBODY could realistically be convinced ANYONE was the lynch for the day unless they were scum. Also, what has Kisn done in the way of being scummy?

Head Honcho; Mildly scummy with the points that have been pointed out, but not too bad.

Trumpezia hasn't posted enough really, although his one or two posts aren't good.

I want to hear more from TDFN, Kison, and SPAG.

[Jenter Brolincani]

OK.

[Jenter Brolincani]

I'm confuzzed...

[Jenter Brolincani]

I admit the evidence aginst desisted is piling up, but I'm not ready to vote him just yet.

[Jenter Brolincani]

I'm still here, but have little to add.

unvote

if I was.

[Jenter Brolincani]

I'm really confuzzed here, just picking up the prod I recieved.

[Jenter Brolincani]

The random bandwagin looks not town to mine eyes.

fos; desisted and puffin

[Jenter Brolincani]

I'm actually veering towards a desisted vote looking at the evidence...

[Jenter Brolincani]

I'm still most sus of de3sisted...

[Jenter Brolincani]

^Agree. Just because it's normal doesn't mean it's good play.

However, volkan is now defending d3sisted and asking people hwy they think he's scum where a page ago he was listing out reasons for the above and was desperate to lynch him? Basically we're agreeing with you, now you turn round...

vote vollkan

[Jenter Brolincani]

pbpa desisted; Part A...

The first half of the game, pages 1-5....

If the mason know each other to be town, and have no other abilities, they can all roleclaim and vouch for one another without ramification right? Or have I misconceived the mason role?

Vote: Eyceking
My spidey senses are tingling.

436 was a noob mistake.

Fine here.

Whoa, didn't realize SPAG was playing.

For taking so long to get Mini 490 started (ironically named Speed Mafia):
Vote SPAG

Random vote #2. fine.

Jenter, you forgot to bold your vote.

Vote: The Deepfried Ninja
I'll BW vote you to hell.

Ok, yet another random vote...

Vote: Janter
Bandwagoned, bitch.

Awfully keen on BWing.

Vote: Head_Honcho

You better start talking.

Was this a joke? It's pretty darn agressive fo a pg1 question about why he keeps second voting.

Vote: Paradoxombie for neglecting the bold faced type.

Still random...

Nonetheless, I'd really like for the activity to pick up in this thread.

Let's see if I can spark some discussion here:
Unvote; Vote: Headbanana

Go ahead, call me scummy.

Um... why will another random vote in the middle of page 2 make activity better?

Unvote
FoS: Trumpezia
Didn't like the idea of you popping in all of a sudden to slap one on IH. He didn't understand Jenter (neither did I, for that matter). Since when was ignorance scummy?

Right we seem to be getting serious here, he does have a very minor point.

From Head Honcho;

Guys if the day never ends we can all live in harmony.

Why are you so anxious for the day to end? Can't wait to use your NK, scum?

And since you're not exactly contributing anything here, how do you expect us to get moving?

Vote: Head_Honcho

wtf? He gives a point against Trumpezia and FoSes, then actually votes for a rather offhand comment? Bias sees I here.

Eyceking wrote:
Vote: Head_Honcho for his comment about everything "being so hard".

You took him seriously even with the gun-cleaning witticism in there?

Unbelievable.

Unvote; Vote: Eyceking

Hmm interesting. He failed to remove his vote on H_H for 2 posts after the gun cleaning witticism, then next page turns round and calls it unbelievable that someone took it seriously.

Head_Honcho wrote:
I'm inclined to agree, but was worried about getting accused of OMGUSing. Well, if I'm not the only one that finds it fishy.

Ok, right now I'm ridiculously suspicious of Head_Honcho. First there was his post 41, and now this? Some explaning is in order here.

Unvote; Vote: Head_Honcho

Then turns back round and says post 41 was suspicious again.

As much as I hate to say this, I'm not convinced you're the lynch for today.
Unvote

Fails to elaborate on why not or indeed and somewhat more importantly why he 'hates to say' it.

Ok, Jenter, you can take that vote off yourself now. I'm more than convinced you're just trying too hard to act town ("Oh look! My vote was still on myself! What a silly town thing to do, as scum would never do that.")

I was going to mention it earlier, but thought I'd wait a while longer.
Unvote; Vote: Jenter

Right now I'm convinced at least one of the following is scum:
trumpezia, Jenter, Kison, Eyceking

Why did he wait a while longer? Why not reveal things he had noticed that would in his opinion be helpful to town?

Yes I have been rather jumpy, but I think my most recent vote on Jenter is here to stay.

Right so now he says he's 'locked on' as it were. On page 4 in a 12 man game? eh wut?

Nice of you to join in, slash. Now, are you going to contribute some content, or should I just vote you the fuck out because I'm tired of the lurking and inactivity.

He then says he is considering BWing lurkers... BAAD. There's such thing as a prod ya know...

I will here quote Kison on two very good points;

The thing about d3sisted is not his vote hopping. The problem I have with him starts with this post :

d3sisted wrote:
As much as I hate to say this, I'm not convinced you're the lynch for today.
Unvote

So let me get this straight : an early game vote had you somewhat convinced that Head Honcho was the lynch for the day, but after a 1-liner rebuttal, you are from that point on no longer convinced of this?

Quote:
Right now I'm convinced at least one of the following is scum:
trumpezia, Jenter, Kison, Eyceking

You hardly have a case against any of the people you listed. You said this during page four of the game. How can you be convinced that one of the people you named is scum? We're not anywhere near far enough into the game for you to be convinced of anything. If you magically are, please give a decent reason for it. As far as I recall, I myself only made one post up until this point. If that's damning evidence, along with whatever you have against the other two, then I'd be a wonderful scum killer in all of my games.

And the reply;

Just because I didn't provide reasons, doesn't mean I changed votes because of his one-liner rebuttal. Don't get presumptuous here.

Those 4 make up the player list minus the pro-town ones. I don't see the need for bringing up cases unless I'm backing up a vote.

Ok, I think "convinced" was the wrong word to use here. There's a lot less certainty than it sounds. I don't really know a good word for that.

BTW, I know you're just trying to mimic Jenter's 80 so you can blow it way out of proportion.

Aside from that, Jenter and Gator's posts didn't sit well with me at all. It seems like they're getting ready to pounce onto the wagon soon as it hits the 2 or 3 mark.

a) Why didn't you provide reasons? TOWNIES HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE FROM THE TOWN.
b) Try 'I think' or 'I believe'or similar.

I may not be able to do pages 6-10 until friday, but that's a few points jotted down there.

[Jenter Brolincani]

What?

vote;d3sisted

...

[Jenter Brolincani]

Next time, can we check their pockets for ID cards? Make everything so much easier...

I need a reread, then I'll post summat decent.

[Jenter Brolincani]

I voted d3sisted near the end because it was deadline and I felt he was scummiest. I'm sorry I've been busy recently, but I'll get some decent posts up soon.

[Jenter Brolincani]

As kind of promised....a PBPA of Jenter:
#17: Unbolded random vote for Adel
#21: Random vote for self
#28: Random for for self again
#36: Comments on likely no. of masons
#41:Comments on likely no. of masons
#57: Jokes about lynching himself
#81: Unvotes self. Expresses mild suspicion of d3sisted (vague) and Honcho (based on other people's poitns). Says Trump is lurking and he wants to hear more from
#83: Says "OK" acknowledging an answer by d3s
#104: "I'm confuzzled" (seems to be in relation to d3sisted's playstyle)
#106: "I admit the evidence aginst desisted is piling up, but I'm not ready to vote him just yet."
#129: Says he has nothing to add and unvotes, again.
#139: He is "really confuzzled"
#146: FoSes d3sisted and puffin for the IH wagoning
#161: He is now "veering towards a d3sisted lynch"
#222: Still most suspicious of d3sisted
#230: Votes me because I questioned the people who were jumping on d3sisted without explanation (him being among those people).

Well attacking someone and then FoSing those ho were attacking that someone... inconsistent.

#238: He gives a PBPA of d3sisted. Most of it is just fairly mundane prodding questions. He doesn't make any proper arguments from this. Promises a pp. 6-10 analysis which never happens, because....

Ok then go through this and point out why my points were so vague and so on...

#242: Votes d3sisted. Deadline. Lynch.

Your case against me goes as follows; "he's been a bit vague". If that's the best you can do, go ahead and no lynch because you won't catch scum that way.

Vollkan, to me this looks like OMGUS because I pointed out your inconsistencies.

Adel; Do your current votes have a reason? Or are you just following people for the sake of it?

[Jenter Brolincani]

I'm now at lynch -2, Adel.

Adel is scummy as hell so far, wagoning me without reference or explanation, and now seemingly taunting me. Do you have ANYTHING to contribute here?

vote; Adel

So tell me why you'r not scum.

At the moment my scumpair are Adel/Vollkan, but this may change if they actually start giving better reasons for their actions.

[Jenter Brolincani]

POST SOMETHING DECENT ADEL!!!

Honestly, you've leaped right up to #1 on my scumdar now.

[Jenter Brolincani]

Adel is 99% scum, paradox a good partner candidate...

[Jenter Brolincani]

1. Helps Adel along on the bandwagon

2. Defend's Adel's crap posting...

Adel has simply been posting minimalistically.

[Jenter Brolincani]

I don't like this wagon one bit. We've no idea wether or not Fonz is sane, or town. This makes his information complete rubbish as far as trying to find scum is concerned. I'd have been happier with it if he hadn't brought up the sanity thing, but now it looks almost like he knows his 'scum' will be town and he needs an escape plan.

[Jenter Brolincani]

If Bookitty is scum, our Doc protects the Fonz, and we stand a good chance of winning.

If Bookitty is town, slight chance, we lynch the Fonz tomorrow. The odds of him really being an insane cop with one innocent and one guilty investigation are so slim as to boggle the mind.

Either way, we are good to go.

We don't necessarily have a doc. There are several other options in a mini - RBer, scum No Kill, etc.

This earns JB a really quick vote from me tomorrow. Way to go trying to spread confusion among the town. Like any good townie claiming, the Fonz mentioned as much detail about his role pm as he could without directly quoting it. The doc can look at his claim, and if her role PM doesn't mention if she is a real doctor, faith healer, quack, ect.. she can quite a bit of belief in the Fonz's claim. Something I recently learned from another game- doc, if your role PM doesn't express forbid you from self protecting, you usually can. It is taking advantage of a Moderator mistake, but it works.

wtf? I gave my opinion and I will stick by it. I was pointing out that we have so little certainty about that Fonzes claim was VERY ill timed. We now have a powerrole outed, and since he didn't wait to try and find out his sanity his info could well be worse than useless.

[Jenter Brolincani]

wtf? I gave my opinion and I will stick by it. I was pointing out that we have so little certainty about that Fonzes claim was VERY ill timed. We now have a powerrole outed, and since he didn't wait to try and find out his sanity his info could well be worse than useless.

Interesting, Jenter, you just shifted from what you said previously:

I don't like this wagon one bit.

We've no idea wether or not Fonz is sane, or town.

This makes his information complete rubbish as far as trying to find scum is concerned. I'd have been happier with it if he hadn't brought up the sanity thing, but

now it looks almost like he knows his 'scum' will be town and he needs an escape plan.

You were pretty clearly insinuating that you thought he was scum, and yet now you are blaming him for needlessly outing himself as a power role.

Ok, poor choice of words. IF he is town, he's outed himself pointlessly. Adel, I'm suspiciouse BECAUSE he brought up the issue of sanity, not because I think he's likely to be insane if he is the cop.

Moreover, I would love to know how you propose he goes about "finding out" his sanity without doing exactly what he has done now.

Use waht he nows *without* claiming? Push to get a bookitty lynch, see if he's sane/insane, THEN work out his sanity so he can come to the town with some definite facts.

Again, a common scum mistake. Scum often try too hard to sow doubt and confusion. As a real townie JB would take a skeptical look at the sanity issue, and the Fonz's claim, and probably conclude that since his claim rules out him being naive and paranoid, either he is sane or insane. He ignores the undisputed fact that insane cops in minis are so rare that they are almost just theoretical. The next where he is scum and in a situation like this I think he will consider to bussing earlier

As a real townie,

I'm

not intstantly throwing out the window the possibility that a vague claim like that (which for me just doesn't stick) i a scum act to try and get Bookitty out the way.

How the hell is it ill-timed? I can't know my sanity for sure until at least one of my investigatees is dead, and it's not in the town's interests to wait that long. Two different results is plenty.

IF you are town (which I'm rather unsure about), there's no way you should be claiming until an investigatee is dead anyway and you therefore KNOW your sanity. Also IF you're town you've chucked away any chance of further investigations unless the doc protects you. Of course, if you're scum, you probably just picked up a helpful protection against any SKs hanging around...

[Jenter Brolincani]

Fine, since I'm at -2...

I'm the other mason.

[Jenter Brolincani]

vote Adel

I still say Adel is scum as of my arguments yesterday...

[Jenter Brolincani]

If anyone else wants to claim mason, feel free... you'll die over my dead body, scum...

[Jenter Brolincani]

Hmm, oddly distinct lack of a counterclaim here...

I didn't breadcrumb, no.

[Jenter Brolincani]

Adel gets worse and worse (and worse)...

[Jenter Brolincani]

Bollocks. Guardian is therefore scum, due to the fact that I don't have a Night Action. Guardian knew I was town yesterday, so he blatantly set up the NK to make me look bad.

Assuming Fonzes innocence, my innocence, and Guardian's guilt;

- We must almost certainly have a godfather.
- Guardian is another goon.
- Korlash OR ChronX OR Kison is the Godfather, the other 2 we must assume are vanilla.

P.S. It would have been bloody idiotic of me as scum to kill Vollkan, since I'd been talking about him as my secondary target. I mean... do some poeple have a seriously sim view of my intelligence here?

P.P.S

vote guardian

P.P.P.S We ARE AT LYLO. WE MUST KILL GUARDIAN TODAY. TRUST ME.

P.P.P.P.S Guardian, PBPA;

Wow, today started quick. Well, especially with The Fonz claiming a non-guilty result, I have something to share....

Adel and vollkan actually knew what they were talking about re: Jenter:

I'm a tracker, and I tracked Jenter last night. Jenter targeted vollkan.
I targeted Jenter because I was more suspicious of him after Adel turned up town, and I thought if he was scum with someone, it would be likely for him to do the killing, since it was least likely he would be caught.

Bollocks. I'm not an imbecile; I know people have been looking at me as scummy, why the HELL would I risk getting tracked if I were scum? I would have got a buddy to do it, someone who (like the other 3 potential candidates, assuming Fonzes innocence) could come up with a powerrole. No, YOU knew that I was scummiest, so all you had to do was frame me at LyLo. If the town takes it hats off to you, but that's what you've done.

Having claimed mason, I don't see how Jenter can explain targeting vollkan without being scum.

Um, you being scum?

vote: Jenter


IH targeted Deepfriedninja night 0, and he targeted no one. This is why I said yesterday 'vanilla would be the only claim I believed' of Adel. If she said doctor or something, I'd have known that was a lie.

IH targeted Bookitty night 1, and she targeted TCS. Not useful now.

IH wasn't here night 2, so no result there.

Night 3, I targeted Jenter for the reasons I said.

---

Korlash, I am deeply saddened by your vote before Fonz even posted. Honestly, it is pretty idiotic, what if he had an innocent on me? And Fonz definitely could be scum, there are way too many power roles, and also way too many innocent investigations. Jenter being a mafia mason helps that, but seriously, mason + doc + tracker + cop seems a bit MUCH without serious scum power.

Spread supicion around, give yourself fallbacks, there's a good little scum. And one vote? It takes 3 to lynch here, it's not desperate, you weren't in danger of a pre-Fonz noose...

P.S. Of corse if you look at this as me, doc+masons+cop w/ 2 goons+GF looks more realistic and balanced does it not?

[Jenter Brolincani]

Yes, but why should he not have voted until he'd checked? You'd still be at -2, and the chances of a double hammer without him noticing, even at LyLo, are miniscule.


"If Korlash or Kison as your scum partner, they would be more likely to get tracked."

Why?..

[Jenter Brolincani]

[/quote]Assume, even, that I am scum. How did I know that Adel *had no night choice*? I couldn't have said that more clearly without prematurely claiming -- and even if I am scum and I knew she was town -- how would I know that she didn't target anyone night zero?

The most plausible answer -- I'm not scum. IH targeted her role N0, and got no result. So she was not an every night power role. If she had claimed doctor, I'd have hammered instantly, since I *knew* she had no night choices then.
[/quote]
Yesterday, you did not ONCE say that Adel had no night choice, and indeed vanilla is not the only role that sends no night choice - others include BPT, Mason, Scum goon who didn't do the kill...

And I hate to use this against him as it isn't particularly reliable, but he's the only player who hasn't been replaced. From my experience, from a meta standpoint, scum are much less likely to want replacement than pro-town players.

So I'm scum for being reliable? WOW, your scumdar amazes me...

[Jenter Brolincani]

Fonz, think about this. If Guardian was town, do you really think a scum wouldn't have hammered by now? The only pair which wouldn't have won by now if he was town is me+Korlash, which has a 1 in 3 chance of being true instead of a non me + Korlash pair with a 2 in 3 chance.

Please, please take your vote off and DO NOT VOTE until you are utterly certain of yourself and the claims have been heard.

[Jenter Brolincani]

SInce you don't have a fundamentally believable claim, Guard, what other points do you have that make me look scummy?

[Jenter Brolincani]

SInce

you don't have a fundamentally believable claim, Guard

, what other points do you have that make me look scummy?

X

First, my claim makes perfect sense, especially with how I tried to plant the seed about Adel. And I'm sure it wouldn't be inconsistent with IH's play.

Um... no. Tracker was the obvious claim for you to try and get me lynched. The Mafia Mason ******** had been thrown around a bit yesterday, you realised all you had to do to win was get me lynched, it was totally obvious as a claim for scum and therefore not believeable.

Second, I don't need points, I tracked you to the death of vollkan... I thought you were worth tracking, I got lucky and was right, that's all I need. Seriously...

You need points to CONVINCE OTHER PEOPLE, Guardian. If people don't blindly believe you're the tracker (which since they have two brin cells to rub together, the don't) You have to CONVINCE them that I am scummy and you are not if you want to get me lynched and the town to lose.

I completely disagree. What more did you want than "I thought you'd be vanilla"? Did you want me to say "Yes, you had no night once choice, eh?". That would have been retarded. That was the best I thought of on the spot, and I wasn't that worried about it because at that time I didn't think that people would disbelieve me if I had to claim.

Yes, but there are 101,000,000 different reasons someone might say that OTHER than being a tracker... so it's not a decent breadcrumb at all really.

[Jenter Brolincani]

Mason (although that said, a role PM wouldn't say innocent mason, it just says mason and separately that I win with the town).

Guardian, that is BLATANT backpedalling...

[Jenter Brolincani]

Guard wrote:
Typo. Expect Jenter & ChronX to jump all over this. I meant to say mafia mason and godfather.

Accepted. I like to give people a few mistakes as I make more then my fair share. However I do think for someone as suspected as you you are reaching your maximum quota for the day. I myself see no reason to jump on it. So.. moving on...

I will hereby fail to jump all over this. Interesting typo though...

Guard wrote:
He didn't hammer me. You Fonz and Kison are cleared if I am town, since you've all not hammered me at lylo.

Wow... I am stumped... I am normally so good at seeing things from my opponents POV... How did I miss that.. *nods* nice logic... Still all hinges on you being town, so forgive me for not counting Kison out just yet.

Yeah, IF you're town... in other words, no argument.

Guard wrote:
I meant why do you find me most suspicious. All your logic is correct there, though.

Ehh... it's kinda hard to sum up my case right now... It seems half the time it is just you and me talking then every now and then another player shows up to post something...

I'm thinking after I eat I may comeback and list out exactly why I put you at top, listing pro-points as well along with points for/against Jenter. (Why not ChronX? Because the lynch for today IS Guard or Jenter. Anyone who does not see that please do the following. Pick up pencil, shove into eye, repeat.)

@Korl; Please do, I'd be interested to see it.

Guard wrote:
Post 571 is where I responded.

Post 567 is where ChronX pointed out that he logically must be scum, if I am telling the truth.

Well let me check it out then...

Um... Forgive me if I cannot follow you...

Post 567:
ChronX wrote:
Are we still doing the claiming thing?

vanilla

unvote

Except....
Quote:
IH targeted Bookitty night 1, and she targeted TCS. Not useful now.

Guardian claims that Bookitty targetted TCS (Central Scrutinizer) with a night action. TCS is now Korlash, which Guardian is pushing as scum. Why would the mafia roleblocker roleblock a fellow mafia?

This contradiction is enough for me to confirm

VOTE: Guardian

Where did he mention Jenter at all? I just read it like.. 5 times... and I do not see it.. if you can bold or explain it to me please do. I have this nagging feeling I am a total idiot here... Also I think I am totally missing your point.

Basically in the hypothetical situtaion where Gurdian was a town tracker, This showed that you, being trageted by an RBer, must be town, Kison/Fonz had failed to hammer him at LyLo, so therefore ChronX and I must have been the scum. It's purely theory though...




Okay, point form me; if ChronX and I were hypothertically both scum, why would we both be on the Gurdian wagon when NOBODY ELSE WAS ON IT? If one of us got lynched, Fonz could have checked Guard overnight, and so it would have been obvious who the toher scum was.

Also, it's WAAAY more difficult to get someone lynched if the base of your lynch pile is the 2 scum.

and it makes sense for scum Guardian not to do that?

Um... yeees, so you can spread suspicion around instead of having to plump for just two people to go for.

The mafia had a RB. Meaning it is very likely we have both a tracker and a cop.

Eh... why? We have NO IDEA if there's a godfather remember, and we had a doc, so doc+cop+2 masons+5 townies v.s. 2 goons + RBer seems reasonable. Comapre this to doc+cop+track+mason+5 townies v.s. RBer+GF+Mafia Mason (Which would be a very unusual scumteam).

[Jenter Brolincani]

Um... A mafia RB is kinda overkill if we only have two powerroles (i.e. Doc+ cop) in most situations the mafia gain a RB when the town itself gets more powerroles then the mafia should be able to handle alone. (i.e. Cop+doc+tracker/RB)

I'm not saying anything about the Godfather here. Noted that you are. Only proves there is one should you turn out scum.

Guardian is claiming that ChronX is scum. ChronX has an innocent from Fonz, so if he is scum he must be GF, so that is the only scumteam that makes Guardian's case work...

[Jenter Brolincani]

badgering Guard to retract his tracker claim and admit to being vanilla town with a strong hunch

Interesting.

[Jenter Brolincani]

Why I'm voting guard, top 5 reasons;

#1 I know I didn't go anywhere near vollkan last night. He's lying, he knows all he has to do to win is get me dead.

#2 He stupidly failed to realise the implications of his results, most likely because he cocked them up on the spot.

#3 If guardian is telling the truth, the scumteam must be GF-RB-Scum Mason which is awesomely improbable.

#4 He's only not been sus of one person currently alive (Kison), and has actvely defended Kison while spearding suspicion on EVERY OTHER PLAYER.

#5 Guardian is the only player who does not either have a cop innocent or a claim that definitely exists.

Is that OK Korlash?

Guardian;

You are looking at this from the POV of: Guardian is scum. His partner must be Kison.

That is a bad way of looking at it.

From your POV...

[Jenter Brolincani]

2. Why were you so willing to vote Guardian before Fonz had even turned up to post results, but now that he has been caught in a lie/misrepresentation (which was simultaneous to him pushing a case on you), and he is at L-1, you are having such a difficult time putting your vote back on him? What has changed to make him less votable?

Be fair, he is at -1, I'm sure Korlash doesn't want to lose the game for town any more than you or I do.

[Jenter Brolincani]

Why I'm voting guard, top 5 reasons;

#1 I know I didn't go anywhere near vollkan last night. He's lying, he knows all he has to do to win is get me dead.

Lie.

Truth. Wow. A word.

#2 He stupidly failed to realise the implications of his results, most likely because he cocked them up on the spot.

Truth -- then lie. I failed to realize them because I replaced in and didn't think critically enough about IH's results from nights ago.

#3 If guardian is telling the truth, the scumteam must be GF-RB-Scum Mason which is awesomely improbable.

Lie. With Tracker-cop-mason-doc, that scum team makes sense.

#4 He's only not been sus of one person currently alive (Kison), and has actvely defended Kison while spearding suspicion on EVERY OTHER PLAYER.

And this means, what exactly? Everyone is saying I'm scum with Kison. I'm saying I'm not scum, and that Kison isn't eihter -- so the team as a whole makes no sense.

#5 Guardian is the only player who does not either have a cop innocent or a claim that definitely exists.

Bull. Your town mason claim doesn't exist. And from your POV, neither does Fonz's claim -- or all the claimed townies.

You've lost me here. explain please? I have claimed mason, everybody else has claimed, I am uncountered so I must from EVERYONE'S pov be the other mason. We KNOW the role exists. Fonz has a claim backed up by correct investigations and evidence. There are townies in this game, so we know that townie is a plausible claim. Tracker has no background, was claimed before anything else happened pretty much (but notably after Fonz posted his result for the night), and the town has no evidence you are telling the truth.

These cases are made of thin air.

[Jenter Brolincani]

ChronX, your and Korlashes cases against each other are both pretty rubbish.

From my POV you're btoh town, and we NEED to lynch scum. As in Guardian.

Guard wrote:
Korlash, I'm just as happy lynching ChronX, but you *do* realize that the only person ChronX can be scum with is Jenter, right?

That was just pure desperation.

[Jenter Brolincani]

Goon-RB-Scum Mason vs Cop/Doc/Tracker

No, for Guardian's claims to work, there HAS to be a godfather. He is not just claiming I'm mafia, he's claiming ChronX is too... in which case Chron would have to be a GF.

[Jenter Brolincani]

Gurdian's trying to make people slip still; trust me, wait til' sunday.

[Jenter Brolincani]

vote kison

Yea. Ok then, why is kison scum>

- He's still saying GUARDIAN and I were mafia? Umm so you're saying at LyLo scum bussed each other, gave conflicting claims and spent an entire day desperately trying to do each other in? I mean ... hello? Neither Guardian nor I are fundamentally morons. A scum doing that would have to be fundamentally screwed up. Had gurdain and I been scum, we'd both have simply seen who Fonz didn't have an innocent on (Kison), Guardian would have claimed his track on him and away we go.
- Guardian buddied and protected him all day yesterday.
- As soon as day started, he made a very defensive, nervous post, looking desperate this early in the day looks scummy as a townie would just give his thoughts without feeling the need to shelter.
- Only player still alive who has never voted for a scum in the entire game.

Please restate the case aginst me so I can answer to it gents...

[Jenter Brolincani]

- He's still saying GUARDIAN and I were mafia? Umm so you're saying at LyLo scum bussed each other, gave conflicting claims and spent an entire day desperately trying to do each other in? I mean ... hello? Neither Guardian nor I are fundamentally morons. A scum doing that would have to be fundamentally screwed up. Had gurdain and I been scum, we'd both have simply seen who Fonz didn't have an innocent on (Kison), Guardian would have claimed his track on him and away we go.

All you had to do was secure a win, even if pulling the ultimate BUS was all that was required.

Securing a win could have been done with much less blood lost yesterday had Guardian and I been scum. Also, why would Guardian have risked blowing his cover to go after me as his buddy?

- Only player still alive who has never voted for a scum in the entire game.

Umm, I hammered BoolKitty after being prodded, and I said I was prepared to hammer Guardian, but Korlash jumped the gun when I announced it. Why are you lying?

You're right, I apologise, I only flicked through the top of page votecounts to check that fact.

However, now I look at that post it's not exactly the best hammer ever. You come straight back after a prod, and then do you wait to make up your mind? Nope, you go ahead and lynch.

First of all, thank you for participating Adel. You seem to have a clue.

Thing is we'd be at Lynch or Lose but we'd at least know to lynch The Fonz.

Why the hell are we waiting?

Unvote
Vote : Bookitty

Particularly with the Fonz sanity thing, this was an extremely ill advised action as town, and quite frankly looks like scum trying to get townie points by getting a hammer in.

[Jenter Brolincani]

Good game, hooray town. My first "live" win here at MS.

Jenter held up well under the pressure of the mafia-mason accusations. What a bad twist of fate to have lost his masonic brethren before anyone could post anything, and then linger under that cloud of suspicion all game, only to be alive at the end. His early play was a bit scummy, but he settled down and played cool calm and convincing at the end.

I think the turning point of the game was when Jenter pointed out that for Guardian to be telling the truth required GF-RB-Scum mason. That's an unprecedented level of scum power for a mini. Though I still don't get quite why Jenter was so set on disbelieving the claim.

Um... for it to be true I had to be scum, which I wasn't?

My townie of the match would be Korlash, he was more than sensible for the most part and was probably the best arguer and decider in the lategame.

I do play a crap early game, I'm noted for it. when it gets to the endgame I'm much more collected wether I'm own or scum.

But well done folks, and 2-0 Gurdian...