Mini 1706 - Pula Mafia (over)

[Firebringer]

Hi guys, I just joined. Going to have to look through things.
I guess I am at L-1?
I don't know if my slot claimed yet, though I am VT.

[Firebringer]

The fact hermit didn't hammer actually suprises me lol.

[Firebringer]

So far I only have town reads...
Mala-Strong town, hammered Scorp.
Lalendra-getting town vibes from ISO.
Catboi-leaning town
Radja-town swinging null though.

Need to look at if there are any other wagons today.

[Firebringer]

Hermits entrance into this makes me a little worried about him.
VOTE: Hermit
The no hammer, just doesn't seem like him.

[Firebringer]

@Firebringer

If you weren't now at L-2, I would be compelled to hammer you just for that comment.

This post sounds more like Hermit.

[Firebringer]

Hermit plays it hardcore anti town feel to him, his not wanting to lynch without an explanation just rubs me the wrong way.

I mean could he have at least said "X is not scum" or in my case elu.

[Firebringer]

Oh nope bringer is in elu's spot

Damn it Superbowl! Why wont you read.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: SCTH

Funny thing is, I read this vote and was like "who is this on?" then looked at player list to see whose name matched and was like ohhh....I am stupid.

Is there anyone you guys want me to take a look at more in depth?
catboi said not very happy with me and hermits entrance but kind of doesn't help give me any direction to go with. What the hell do you expect? A page or two of posts giving you detailed analysis of everything that has gone on?
Not my style.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: SCTH

Funny thing is, I read this vote and was like "who is this on?" then looked at player list to see whose name matched and was like ohhh....I am stupid.

Is there anyone you guys want me to take a look at more in depth?
catboi said not very happy with me and hermits entrance but kind of doesn't help give me any direction to go with. What the hell do you expect? A page or two of posts giving you detailed analysis of everything that has gone on?
Not my style.

What's your read on Lalendtra and what do you think about her case on Mala?

I did quick ISO of them a few days ago, now I just relooked over.
My opinion hasn't really changed.
Her case on Mala is extremely poor in my eyes.

It seems mala is just kind of hyperactive/paranoid town jumping off and on wagons with pressure kind of everywhere. So I don't like the case she made on mala.

If one of them is scum its likely Lalendtra.

[Firebringer]

Yes.

[Firebringer]

UNVOTE:

I need a little time to warm up to FB. I have no feelings about ST. C's predecessor, but their play this day phase has not given my town-feels

VOTE: StCtH

@fire, who's scum?

Everyone!

Actually after rereading Maxous I am starting to suspect them. Little as far as content in posts (not scum indication but kind of hard to read) votes and unvotes scorp day two. Flip flops on reads. All of this could just mean indecisive town, but that unvote and vote on Scorp just rubs me wrong way.

[Firebringer]

but that unvote and vote on Scorp just rubs me wrong way.

you mean that unvote when Scorp claimed doctor?
and the re-vote when Scorp was counter-claimed?


cool.

Context matters, and I failed that.
>.>

[Firebringer]

Still don't really understand this at all. You want to lynch him for not voting you?

As I understand it firebringer has played with constnatine before and is using meta to make a read that as town, Constantine usually does the most anti-town thing, which in that situation would have been to hammer elusive. Since he didn't hammer elusive, bringer therefore concludes that constantine must be scum (I don't agree with this logic, but I think he's scum in the end so I guess we agree).

Basically this.

Why do you think he is scum anyways?

[Firebringer]

Because he said he was, and I don't think there's any roles allowed in normal that benefit from being lynched. Not to mention I wasn't townreading banaki.

I have honestly seen Hermit claim he was scum when entered into games before, so I don't know. It was after that claim of being scum that he started acting townie that worried me. [Funny, right?]

[Firebringer]

VOTE: St Constantine

You forgot to announce that this makes it L-1.

Hermit, ball is in your court.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: St Constantine

You forgot to announce that this makes it L-1.

Hermit, ball is in your court.

Looks like blind town or scum trying to gain points

blind town?

[Firebringer]

lol, I am blind.
Okay, point taken.

[Firebringer]

So that was a good lynch.
Only one more mafia scum to go.

Who is left?

[Firebringer]

superbowl9
Malakittens
Firebringer
Bellaphant
catboi
Lalendra
Maxous

So thats 7 players.....I will do quick look at those trains for both scum. Maybe we can rule out a few players as possible scum.

[Firebringer]

Hermit Train:

Me

, Superbowl9, Malakittens, Bellaphant, Maxous
Socrpious:

Banakai

, Lalendra, Catboi, Malakittens, Maxous

So Mala and Maxous were both on both trains.
Does anyone think that scum would bus both of their teammates? Seems like....a bad plan lol.

Maxous hammered both, I don't know if that is his usual MO, so I don't know.

I am willing to see Super, Mala and Maxous are town for sure atm.

[Firebringer]

So yeah I was townreading max and mala anyways so I do agree that scum is within bella/lalendra/bringer.

Wait...how is it me?
I was the one who started the train on Hermit lol.

>.>

VOTE: Bella
Good enough lynch for me.

[Firebringer]

its not bella i dont think

Why not bella?

[Firebringer]

vote: firebringer

You suck at this game.

So I am scum because Hermit won't hammer?

[Firebringer]

Can I point out you are trying to analyze a player who said they were scum when he replaced in, then agreed when I point out the meta reasons for him being scum.

[Firebringer]

i wrote half-a-dozen posts on D2 why elusive was scum.

and you can't say i'm not allowed to analyse him when you did the exact same

Well you are wrong, and wasting your vote.

I don't think I said you can't analyze anyone...

I don't really care if you thought elusive was scum. I am not.

[Firebringer]

I know we have plenty of mislynches now that their is one scum left, but man. I really don't want to get mislynched just because Elusive was scum read by the lot of you.

I mean honestly, my lynch rate is going up in games...its annoying.
Especially as town lol.

Superbowl, we have played a game together, how different am I playing from that?
I guess a bit, I was paranoid in that game and you were scum.
We were in LYLO and I was a sub in.

[Firebringer]

Idk I don't use meta

Fair enough.

[Firebringer]

hey fire what's your role?

I role claim at L-1 always bro.
I mean, I don't really feel need to hide it.

Anyways, w/e I guess sure,

I am Vanilla Townie bro.

[Firebringer]

I know we have plenty of mislynches now that their is one scum left, but man. I really don't want to get mislynched just because Elusive was scum read by the lot of you.

tell us why Bellaphant is scum.

Well it aint me. It isn't you, superbowl, malakittens.

So that leaves: catboi (I kinda doubt it), Lalendra (possibility), Bellaphant.

So yeah.
If you want a real case, ask someone else. I don't make cases, I just push them.

[Firebringer]

Hey, I never got a day start pm and last thing I got from n suggested the game had a day or two to get sorted! I'll post properly after work but my main defence is gonna be the push on scorp day one. More later!

The pro Prod Dodge!

[Firebringer]

So....lynch Bellaphant?
Come on, if we are wrong. Lynch me tomorrow!!!

We get like what? 2-3 freebie mislynches? I didn't count.

[Firebringer]

I am sorry, why aren't these posts being deleted? They are distracting from the game and completely derailing it?

The activity level has dropped enormously btw.
Mala pls give thoughts.
Bella stop lurking damn it.
Everyone else put up a vote or say something.

[Firebringer]

I agree we need more activity
more votes on firebringer pls

The tunneling is becoming a thing.

[Firebringer]

How is this tunneling

By emphasis the part where you only focus on one player and disregard all the others?
I guess you could say it is a little forced to call it tunneling since you only just started.


Ehhh.

[Firebringer]

Hi,

There's no real defense for my play this game - it's been shitty, and my reads are hella weak rn. However, I've not done anything scummy, and there isn't really a case to defend against - I feel like i'm a compromise lynch and maybe town will get enough information from it to nail the last scum. I would ask, tho, if anyone had any questions etc to direct them at me, bc 1-2-1 interaction generally works best for me.

So bella, who do you think is the last scum then?
You are just playign defensively right now, want to go on offensive a bit?

[Firebringer]

I mean it's probably one or the other at this point

What makes you say that?

[Firebringer]

Because everyone else seems unlikely at best

Weren't you scum reading Lalendra?
or was that mala?

I think its one of: lalendra, you, or Bella.
I would lynch Bella first.
You guys can lynch me tomorrow if I am wrong.

[Firebringer]

I can compromise with this, as long as it's fire tomorrow. Intent to hammer.

I am willing to accept these conditions.

[Firebringer]

We have a neutral killing? WTF?

[Firebringer]

Town has auto lost >.>
I am not voting.

Screw this.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: No Lynch

[Firebringer]

So theres 1 Neutral Killing and 1 Mafia.
I am officially last town left.
Who wins in a tie between you two?

[Firebringer]

I am not voting, this game is stupid.

Town lost this because it was poorly designed.

[Firebringer]

Who wins in a tie between you two?
Neutral Killing or Mafia?

[Firebringer]

So which one of you wins?
Maxous I am guessing your Neutral Killing?
Catboi is Mafia?

[Firebringer]

How did this game get passed screening?

[Firebringer]

VOTE: firebringer

whatever

he doesn't deserve it

i really wish i hadn't backed off on that read

No one deserves this win.

[Firebringer]

i guess i could of fakeclaimed 2'nd vig but again, it would of felt so hollow :/

No one would believe you.

[Firebringer]

I might have but it's a moot point anyway

town seriously lost after ONE mislynch (and one missed vig shot). What a broken setup. And the mod having one of the strangest meltdowns of all time really tops it off.

You would seriously believe a Vigi when we had a vigi flip already?
What?

[Firebringer]

Looking at this games review. So many times asked to reveal that this was a 3-1-9 setup. Never happened.
We should have had another PR to make this fair.

I laugh at normal games at this point. They aren't as balanced as they claim to try to be.