Mini 1671 - Eclipse Mafia - Total Eclipse (Game Over)

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #4 (isolation #0) » Sun May 10, 2015 3:51 am

VOTE: ABR

Wagon! Go, go, go!

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #15 (isolation #1) » Sun May 10, 2015 5:37 am

In post 8, Juls wrote:Oh geez, I should vote BBT.
Honorary FOS
for BBT for giving my husband nightmares in one of BBT's newbie games.

Hi! I miss him

I was really looking forward to playing with him again and he just disappeared.

In post 10, Prolapsed Brain wrote:VOTE: Sotty for jumping on a fast-growing wagon.

I wish you would stop this. RVS wagons are good.

In post 12, Skold wrote:VOTE: Scarab
Children play this game. I think.
@BBT *squints eyes* and so we meet again.

You rolled scum?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #17 (isolation #2) » Sun May 10, 2015 5:38 am

In post 14, PeaceBringer wrote:

This is scummy. Covering his eyes with glasses so we don't read the scum in them.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #24 (isolation #3) » Sun May 10, 2015 5:57 am

Jumping off ABR wagon is a scum claim.

Scarab should be lynched after ABR (who is clearly lurking because he is scum.)

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #26 (isolation #4) » Sun May 10, 2015 6:03 am

No.

You're ruining my ABR wagon.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #28 (isolation #5) » Sun May 10, 2015 6:06 am

We did.

But you're ruining it.

Get back on the wagon, I'll forgive you.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #33 (isolation #6) » Sun May 10, 2015 6:10 am

@Garmr - You're very good at reading inbetween the lines! Such insight!

Glad I'm not scum...

PB - You surprise me!

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #37 (isolation #7) » Sun May 10, 2015 6:23 am

Wagon on ABR yields good results.

I don't expect him to crack. Would be funny if he did.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #41 (isolation #8) » Sun May 10, 2015 6:37 am

Skold you missed my question.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #44 (isolation #9) » Sun May 10, 2015 6:40 am

Kinda wanna vote Sotty.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #47 (isolation #10) » Sun May 10, 2015 6:43 am

His vote doesn't follow his doubt.

Kind of like mine is now.

PEdi - OK, thanks.

Found one scum already.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #53 (isolation #11) » Sun May 10, 2015 7:20 am

Do you Clusk?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #55 (isolation #12) » Sun May 10, 2015 7:26 am

Yeah.

I have already shared them though.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #59 (isolation #13) » Sun May 10, 2015 7:38 am

VOTE: Skold

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #86 (isolation #14) » Sun May 10, 2015 12:58 pm

Why is Skold wagon bad?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #88 (isolation #15) » Sun May 10, 2015 1:19 pm

Not really a fan of jumping off wagons when they're just getting started.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #90 (isolation #16) » Sun May 10, 2015 1:22 pm

Juls wagon is prob bad.

Has Skold on it.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #242 (isolation #17) » Fri May 15, 2015 12:10 am

Alright, reading the full game.

52 - I dislike how Clusk specifically picked up on Skold in this post. I don't think many people had provided 'genuine thoughts' at that point. I believe he picked Skold because Skold already had a wagon forming and he wanted a reason to jump on.

56 - Sure enough, Clusk does jump on the wagon. Will be keeping my eye on how Clusk plays from this point on.

99 - Sotty, if Scarab's vote made no motivational sense as scum; why did you try to address it as a scummy post?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #244 (isolation #18) » Fri May 15, 2015 12:24 am

129 - Clusk, why was the Juls wagon terrible and the Skold wagon not? What were the differences?

134 - Peace, Juls has a 2008 join date...how is she classified as 'new'?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #245 (isolation #19) » Fri May 15, 2015 12:25 am

Fair enough, I can see that happening.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #247 (isolation #20) » Fri May 15, 2015 12:37 am

151 - Don't get the town read on Clusk at all.

157/158 - Two very weird posts. Why did you feel the need to address Zoronos' meta? He could be town, but he could be scum, it will be hard to tell if he is scum or town; so he seems town to you...I'm finding that train of thought hard to follow.

Then the self-meta. Which is scummy.

171 - I don't feel like this addressed Juls problem. You voted Juls because she was 'new', you then found out that actually, she wasn't new but the vote didn't return.

Why not?

PEdit - I'm catching up Peace, I'm writing my thoughts as I read the posts.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #248 (isolation #21) » Fri May 15, 2015 12:42 am

In post 180, PeaceBringer wrote:
vote prolapsed brain

Juls is feisty... that is a good thing...

I don't get how the comment on Juls relates to the vote on Prolapsed.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #249 (isolation #22) » Fri May 15, 2015 12:47 am

212 - Nice timing you have there Ank, show up right after the hammer.

Do you comment on anything game related? Nope, just a shit comment that is supposed to look town.

Thoughts on the game?

221 - Why Juls ABR?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #251 (isolation #23) » Fri May 15, 2015 12:58 am

225 - LOL, fun story. I actually opened this spoiler expecting there to be game related content. How disappointed I was.

236 - Juls is town. This post reflects a lot of my own thoughts on the game. Juls wagon is bad.

238/241 - This doesn't make sense Peace... You're voting Sotty, she makes a statement that makes you even more uncomfortable and you follow this with an unvote...what?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #252 (isolation #24) » Fri May 15, 2015 1:01 am

Fully caught up, want to check a couple of things.

The really sad thing is I have only one town read and that was explained above. I think Skold and Scarab could be town but I want to see more before committing to those reads.

I want to see much more from Clusk/Ank. Those two are slipping under the radar and I don't like either of these slots. Peace could also be scum, a lot of the things he does don't make sense to me.

ABR is quiet and I don't like that, D1 was short though so we'll see how this develops.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #253 (isolation #25) » Fri May 15, 2015 1:02 am

VOTE: Clusk

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #256 (isolation #26) » Fri May 15, 2015 5:39 am

Where the fuck is everyone?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #261 (isolation #27) » Fri May 15, 2015 10:33 am

Don't give me that shit, ABR.

Talk to me.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #263 (isolation #28) » Fri May 15, 2015 10:35 am

What are your current thoughts on the game, Skold?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #266 (isolation #29) » Fri May 15, 2015 10:47 am

Sometimes I don't read things thoroughly until the second time around.

What is the problem with me addressing it now? Do you disagree with what I said?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #268 (isolation #30) » Fri May 15, 2015 10:59 am

What have you liked about what he has posted?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #273 (isolation #31) » Sat May 16, 2015 4:00 am

The pace of this game...

What have you liked about what Clusk has posted Scarab?

Sotty, you see the two votes on Juls? The only 2 votes outside of mine in this game? That wagon.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #277 (isolation #32) » Sat May 16, 2015 6:28 am

ABR could be scum.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #281 (isolation #33) » Sat May 16, 2015 6:44 am

In post 279, Albert B. Rampage wrote:BBT could also be scum.

Come at me ABR.

Why could I be scum? Because I have figured out you're scum? That's good, solid reasoning.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #286 (isolation #34) » Sat May 16, 2015 7:22 am

282 - ABR, you have provided no reasoning for why Juls is scum. I believe Juls to be town, ergo, you're scum.

283 - No, you should answer my question. I suspect you haven't got a good answer and should Clusk flip scum, you should know that you're next to eat rope.

What is the scum motivation to me pushing Clusk now as opposed to earlier in the game?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #293 (isolation #35) » Sat May 16, 2015 7:45 am

289 - You still haven't explained the scum motivation in pushing it now as opposed to when I wasn't fully engaged in the game.

290 - ABR, I'm trying to engage you. You don't seem interested, what am I to make of that?

291 - If that was not your accusation, your posts are not clear enough.

292 - Stop playing badly ABR.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #295 (isolation #36) » Sat May 16, 2015 7:51 am

OK, that doesn't explain why you're not willing to engage me here.

It's even weirder that you have no other priorities and are still not engaging here.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #297 (isolation #37) » Sat May 16, 2015 7:52 am

I'm playing badly?

Please.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #300 (isolation #38) » Sat May 16, 2015 7:59 am

You said BBT playing badly = scum. I assumed this meant you thought I was playing badly and was scum. I'm not sure how else to interpret that.

ABR is playing badly. I know ABR is a good player, I can only assume this is his scum play. I don't see why he would refuse to explain his reasoning for Juls scum if he were town. I can see why he would refuse to explain his reasoning if he was scum.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #304 (isolation #39) » Sat May 16, 2015 8:04 am

Yeah, I don't care for meta. He should explain his reads/votes.

I don't know, ABR. I'm talking to you first.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #313 (isolation #40) » Sat May 16, 2015 8:54 am

Why are you deflecting onto Sotty, ABR? I'm trying to talk to YOU and it's pissing me off that you won't fucking engage with me.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #315 (isolation #41) » Sat May 16, 2015 9:13 am

The only thing I can see for why you think Juls is scum is that she somehow should of stopped that mislynch from happening?

Why does this fall on Juls and nobody else?

I'm not in tunnel vision. I don't even think you're scum, I was just trying to get you to engage with me.

What do you think about Clusk?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #317 (isolation #42) » Sat May 16, 2015 1:02 pm

When is Clusk due a prod Mod?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #318 (isolation #43) » Sat May 16, 2015 1:05 pm

Skold, can you explain your early town read on Clusk please?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #319 (isolation #44) » Sat May 16, 2015 1:17 pm

280 - Dislike this vote from Skold.

290 - ABR, I said I was town reading Juls because a lot of her thoughts in the post I quoted mirrored my own. I can see them coming from a town mindset.

303 - This post from Sotty feels scummy. Hard to put my finger on why though; I think it's along the lines of you trying to appease ABR.

Sotty, you didn't address my 'misunderstanding' of your post where you said I was playing badly and that means I'm scum.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #320 (isolation #45) » Sat May 16, 2015 1:18 pm

Will lynch Clusk/Skold/Sotty toDay.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #322 (isolation #46) » Sat May 16, 2015 1:25 pm

I miss Mod comments all the time if that's where it was. My bad.

Ah OK, so it should have been 'BBT, playing badly = scum?' like that?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #325 (isolation #47) » Sat May 16, 2015 1:28 pm

Can you tell me why you think Juls is scum?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #328 (isolation #48) » Sun May 17, 2015 12:31 pm

lalala

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #337 (isolation #49) » Mon May 18, 2015 6:34 am

VOTE: Skold

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #340 (isolation #50) » Mon May 18, 2015 7:38 am

You wanna vote him?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #353 (isolation #51) » Mon May 18, 2015 8:46 pm

In post 351, RedCoyote wrote:In all seriousness, I hope we're talking about whom Gamr would've visited on night one.

No, because WIFOM.

Are you interested in joining a Skold wagon?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #356 (isolation #52) » Tue May 19, 2015 12:56 am

You know that because...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #382 (isolation #53) » Wed May 20, 2015 8:38 pm

Prodge.

Sorry guys, will try and get to this later today.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #390 (isolation #54) » Thu May 21, 2015 9:35 am

Tomorrow, for sure.

I need time to read properly; priority (or close to) tomorrow.

Sotty, Clusk is probably scum (whoever replaced him is scum).

We should lynch Clusk/Skold to move this game forward.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #392 (isolation #55) » Thu May 21, 2015 9:37 am

I'll apologize for my part in the lurking/non contributing.

I don't usually do this and it's very unlike me, but I have pretty good reasoning that I can't expand on atm.

I normally hate lurkers, so, yeah...sorry!

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #408 (isolation #56) » Sat May 23, 2015 1:36 am

Alright, catching up.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #409 (isolation #57) » Sat May 23, 2015 1:52 am

344 - Skold, there is no 'updated reasoning' for your scum read on ABR. You're regurgitating what you said earlier on about Juls and then making generic comments about his ISO that don't actually explain anything. This is weak.

349 - I highly dislike Scarab coming in and defending Skold in this way, I'm not sure what it means yet though. Like, I don't understand how anybody can be reading Skold as town for his play in this game (especially when you look at his vote on ABR and his reasoning for it.) I actually think Skold thought I was gonna go for ABR and preemptively jumped on the wagon to secure his slot.

Scarab, your read on Skold is too wordy for me, it's difficult to interpret exactly what you're trying to say. Can you make it a little more concise please?

As for your questions; 1) you may yet find yourself on my shortlist. I don't like this post (349) at all.

2) Sotty is no longer a scum read. I'm not even sure why I was scum reading her, after rereading I don't see her as scum.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #410 (isolation #58) » Sat May 23, 2015 2:04 am

362 - Scarab, you appear to have had reasons for voting me (weak reasons, but you know, you tried) and you're willing to jump on a Juls wagon just 'because'? It makes no sense for you to be scum reading me (whilst not really pushing me) and then being happy to join another wagon for arbitrary reasons.

I mean, it looks like you're looking for any wagon that isn't Skold. Also, it's pinging me pretty hard that you have now defended two of my scum reads.

370 - This is weird. I don't get the unvote at all. The whole interaction between SNS/Scarab feels awkward as fuck.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #412 (isolation #59) » Sat May 23, 2015 2:42 am

375 - So many things I like about this post.

The points on Scarab first and foremost are pretty solid. I especially liked the points about Scarab attempting to shut down numerous discussions, I missed that completely, and his voting of his third scum read (me) with no reevaluation despite his other two scum reads flipping town.

RC, I don't see how you liked 349 though. My view on that post was presented above.

I agree with your strong town reads and the weak town read on Zoro. I don't agree with the town read on SNS, though I'm willing to sort that out another day.

I also agree that Peace could be scum, but not Juls. Not much point discussing this further, we need the replacement.

And agree that Scarab is very likely to be scum. I can join that wagon.

VOTE: Scarab

I think scum are very likely in Scarab/Skold/SNS/Peace. Game is won if we lynch these four people.

395 - I initially liked this post from SNS, but as I was writing this out I realized that I actually don't like the content of it. His meta read of me is way off. As is everyone who tries to meta read me given they know I purposefully manipulate my meta to avoid them being able to do it.

I don't like his reasoning for Peace/Juls scum reads. They seem opportunistic.

Can you explain your Scarab vote please, SNS?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #414 (isolation #60) » Sat May 23, 2015 2:52 am

Alright, I think it's Scarab, Skold and one of SNS/Peace.

Especially given wagon composition. Really need that Juls replacement.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #422 (isolation #61) » Sat May 23, 2015 11:35 pm

This is why I think Skold jumped the gun on ABR. If he thought I was genuinely scum reading ABR, given how much he has played with me recently, he would be expecting me to push ABR pretty hard. By jumping the gun, and voting ABR before me, he looks like he has already decided ABR is scum long before I start pushing it and can justify his position on the wagon if ABR is lynched and flips town. Skold's reasoning for voting ABR is super, super weak and it looks exactly like what it is. An opportunistic vote.

In post 252, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
ABR is quiet and I don't like that, D1 was short though so we'll see how this develops.

In post 261, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Don't give me that shit, ABR.

Talk to me.

In post 277, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:ABR could be scum.

In post 278, Skold wrote:
In post 276, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Then you don't understand mafia.

I was more saying that it has nothing to do with the question BBT asked.
BRB ISO ABR.

In post 280, Skold wrote:ABR has shown no real reason for his vote on Juls. That doesn't sit right.
VOTE: Albert B. Rampage
pedit: Yes he could. Any particular reason for him to be scum?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #429 (isolation #62) » Sun May 24, 2015 8:35 am

I'll lynch Skold or Scarab.

I'm really not fussed on either one.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #430 (isolation #63) » Sun May 24, 2015 11:00 pm

Why is this game so slow?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #449 (isolation #64) » Tue May 26, 2015 10:13 am

RC, you wanna flip over to Skold?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #452 (isolation #65) » Tue May 26, 2015 10:21 am

Nah, it would be silly to not lynch one of the two wagons that we have had fighting against each other for most of the Day.

Today's lynch needs to be Skold or Scarab.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #454 (isolation #66) » Tue May 26, 2015 10:23 am

Let's not lynch Juls; especially when the slot is empty.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #471 (isolation #67) » Tue May 26, 2015 9:14 pm

456 - I have an active town read on the Juls slot and I have explained why I have it.

457 - Ugh, hate this vote.

I wish I hadn't just stated it should be Skold/Scarab because I would flash wagon the shit out of SNS.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #479 (isolation #68) » Wed May 27, 2015 9:52 am

Hi Equinox, you should vote Scarab or Skold.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #482 (isolation #69) » Wed May 27, 2015 11:16 am

It would be good for you to ISO myself/RC.

That would provide you with everything you need.

I don't believe one/a couple of sentences would do it justice.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #486 (isolation #70) » Wed May 27, 2015 12:01 pm

In post 483, Sotty7 wrote:No need to ISO people, it's a pretty easy read I think.

Actually, this sounds better.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #512 (isolation #71) » Thu May 28, 2015 9:00 am

I'd still flash wagon SNS.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #521 (isolation #72) » Thu May 28, 2015 10:17 pm

VOTE: Skold

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #552 (isolation #73) » Sat May 30, 2015 5:25 am

Under 24 hours till deadline.

Someone hammer Skold.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #555 (isolation #74) » Sat May 30, 2015 6:19 am

It sounds like you've already decided what you're going to do...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #557 (isolation #75) » Sat May 30, 2015 6:20 am

VOTE: SNS

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #558 (isolation #76) » Sat May 30, 2015 6:21 am

Let's do this.

We have enough people to actually get this lynch.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #559 (isolation #77) » Sat May 30, 2015 6:23 am

SNS has lurked this day. Hard.

His vote on Skold was horrible as well. There are numerous people who are uncomfortable with this slot.

He hasn't posted for 3 days.

Let's flash wagon him.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #565 (isolation #78) » Sat May 30, 2015 6:39 am

In post 554, PeaceBringer wrote:man, I hate deadlines... reading over skold now, not sold on lynch but no time to go elsewhere...

I just realized you were already voting Skold...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #570 (isolation #79) » Sat May 30, 2015 8:37 am

Hmm, didn't join Scarab wagon but will join SNS wagon...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #605 (isolation #80) » Sun May 31, 2015 1:21 am

Peace, why have you left the SNS wagon?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #606 (isolation #81) » Sun May 31, 2015 1:22 am

We have 3 1/2 hours...this is ridiculous.

Who is biggest wagon?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #608 (isolation #82) » Sun May 31, 2015 1:54 am

VOTE: Skold

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #610 (isolation #83) » Sun May 31, 2015 2:17 am

I don't understand why pisskop left his vote on me...

Or why Juls is sitting on a vanity wagon.

Or why Equinox and Zoro are not even voting.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #612 (isolation #84) » Sun May 31, 2015 2:22 am

Thanks Sotty, that really clears things up!

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #626 (isolation #85) » Sun May 31, 2015 3:00 am

Sotty, you don't feel an SNS wagon was achievable?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #627 (isolation #86) » Sun May 31, 2015 3:01 am

In post 620, pisskop wrote:
If Skold flips scum Id like to point out BBT reluctantly switched to him.

This is, in fact, completely false.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #630 (isolation #87) » Sun May 31, 2015 3:04 am

I will be very, very surprised if the SNS slot is not scum.

Clusk was scummy early on and SNS did nothing to change that.

Scarab's defence of Clusk felt off as well and he never did engage me on that topic; he skirted around it consistently.

Fuck, I'm getting cold feet and there's nothing I can do.

That's pretty fucking annoying.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #683 (isolation #88) » Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:57 am

Alright, so GC or pisskop Today.

That's pretty obvious.

VOTE: pisskop

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #686 (isolation #89) » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:03 am

Nah.

I'm town.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #688 (isolation #90) » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:06 am

GC, I understand you're scum this game.

Normally, I would accuse you of being bad at reading me. But we both know why your 'read' is bad this game, amiright?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #691 (isolation #91) » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:11 am

Not at all.

It's a reference to your history of reading me. Nothing to do with meta.

Try harder.

Also, your slot was scum before you entered the game. Just thought you should know that.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #696 (isolation #92) » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:45 am

Zoro, what do you think of the pisskop slot?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #698 (isolation #93) » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:51 am

GC, did you actually just say you're scum reading me for the way I catch up?

Is that the bullshit you're actually trying to push right now?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #701 (isolation #94) » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:53 am

Oh.

Can I have reasoning for that read, Zoro?

PEdit - Happy Birthday

scum

GC!!

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #703 (isolation #95) » Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:01 am

I have reduced nothing.

That's exactly what you're accusing me of being scum for.

I mean, I like you and all that GC, but you're making this too easy.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #707 (isolation #96) » Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:13 am

Except for it isn't alignment indicative.

So, there's that.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #708 (isolation #97) » Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:15 am

1) you counter this point all by yourself.

3) How do the interactions look bad for me? Stating it doesn't make it true. Back up what you're saying.

4) You think I was the only person vote switching yesterday? What don't you like about my push?

What don't you like about my reads?

I mean, it's all very vague comments that don't hold any weight.

Back them up. At least try to look like you actually believe what you're writing.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #710 (isolation #98) » Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:19 am

1) That's meta. You shouldn't use meta to read me.

3) What points are bad? Is focus alignment indicative?

4) If I'm not a bad player, what makes you think my scum game would be this 'obvious'?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #713 (isolation #99) » Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:20 am

Ah, I see.

OK. And the rest?

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:24 am

Your case won't be very convincing without specifics.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:27 am

I would read it.

Come on man, at least pretend you're town.

You always do big ole wall o texts.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:29 am

OK, that was meta.

You're not even trying though.

Why are you so being so obvious about being scum? Don't you want to win?

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:32 am

I already have.

I've shown why you're scum.

You must not be reading.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:00 am

Clusk & SNS were both scummy though...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #746 (isolation #105) » Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:22 am

Hey look, a counter-wagon to pisskop!

I didn't see that coming...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #747 (isolation #106) » Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:22 am

In post 739, PeaceBringer wrote:
vote BBT

Why?

BlueBloodedToffee · Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:09 am

Sotty, Equinox and Zoro should make use of their votes.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #756 (isolation #108) » Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:30 pm

In post 753, PeaceBringer wrote:
you seem like the last time I saw you, and you were, um well, bad

You shouldn't try to meta read me.

Can you clarify exactly what you're seeing that makes you think I am scum?

BlueBloodedToffee · Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:00 pm

In post 755, Zoronos wrote:
In post 752, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Sotty, Equinox and Zoro should make use of their votes.

You asked me earlier why I thought Scarab was town. Where am I wrong?

There is no point arguing your town read. I have given reasons why I think Scarab was scum, pisskop has done nothing to change my mind on that slot.

He isn't even scum hunting.

BlueBloodedToffee · Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:00 pm

I actually kind of want to vote Juls...

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:54 am

You're scum reading me now?

What's so bad about my reaction?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #762 (isolation #112) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:00 am

GC, after I flip town, who is scum on my wagon?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #765 (isolation #113) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:14 am

OK, well if you're town (which you're very likely not) you're going to have a serious problem tomorrow when you're town reading everyone that was on a town wagon.

I assume you're town reading Sotty as well?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #768 (isolation #114) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:19 am

Well, I know I'm town, so I know scum is voting me.

My counter-wagon appeared in a flash once pisskop's wagon got going.

That doesn't make you rethink anything?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #770 (isolation #115) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:24 am

If my wagon is all town I'll eat a fucking hat.

I mean, seriously, you're happy with my wagon composition right now?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #774 (isolation #116) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:28 am

Your town reads are bad.

I refuse to believe you're playing this badly in this game.

Ergo, you must be scum.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #776 (isolation #117) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:32 am

I don't know if Peace is scum.

Have I said he was scum somewhere?

PK I'm almost 100% sure is scum. Like, 97% or some shit.

You're scum because Clusk and SNS were scum.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #778 (isolation #118) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:35 am

Oh, well, I think Juls could be scum now sooo....

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #781 (isolation #119) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:42 am

In post 127, Kalimar wrote:
Vote Count 1.3

Juls
(5):
Skold
,
Ankamius
,
Prolapsed Brain
,
Garmr
, PeaceBringer

Prolapsed Brain
(2): Albert B. Rampage, Scarab

Skold
(2): Clusk92, BlueBloodedToffee

Garmr
(1): Juls

Zoronos
(1): Sotty7

Not Voting
(2): Zoronos,
Jeanne11

In post 200, Kalimar wrote:
Vote Count 1.4

Prolapsed Brain
(5): Albert B. Rampage, Scarab, Clusk92, PeaceBringer, Juls

Juls
(3):
Ankamius
,
Garmr
,
Prolapsed Brain

PeaceBringer
(1):
Skold

Zoronos
(1): Sotty7

Skold
(1): BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting
(2): Zoronos,
Jeanne11

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-05-24 15:00:00)

I feel like these two VC's paint a pretty telling picture.

Thoughts?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #782 (isolation #120) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:43 am

A strongly town driven wagon on Juls and within the next few pages....BAM! Wagon on PB takes the lead with all my lovely scumspects on the back end of it.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #784 (isolation #121) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:42 am

Where did you go GC?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #789 (isolation #122) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:40 am

My case on you is above.

Did you somehow miss it?

I don't remember you calling me scum...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #791 (isolation #123) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:34 am

Skold flipped town.

I wasn't expecting that.

Went back to reread game and see how things developed.

Noticed the quick counter-wagon to your wagon D1 and then noticed your wagon was entirely town driven and the back end of the PB wagon looks extremely suspect.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #793 (isolation #124) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:37 am

LOL.

If that's a serious question I think I just shit my pants.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #796 (isolation #125) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:44 am

Umm, why are you regurgitating GC's point?

I think we had the whole of 5 (?) VCs during D1. Those two are pretty important and are the VCs that show the change in direction of the game that led to PB being lynched.

They're pretty important VCs.

PEdit - RC also got killed.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #799 (isolation #126) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:49 am

GC, read 796.

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:26 pm

You have? You kept it well hidden if so...

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:36 pm

So, here we have Clusk's reasoning for jumping on the PB wagon;

In post 129, Clusk92 wrote:Wow, this Juls wagon is terrible, so many bad reasons for hopping on.

Everyone on it deserves a vote really but PB's reason was so hideously terrible that he gets my vote.

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

He never actually explains a) why the wagon is terrible and b) what the bad reasons were. He also just so happens to think that Prolapsed was the worst vote on the wagon (it has nothing to do with him being the most viable counter-wagon to Juls, right?)

In post 134, PeaceBringer wrote:but looking back over, juls is rather new it seems-
so actually more low hanging fruit...

unvote

This unvote of Juls was disgusting as well. I feel this needs to be pointed out.

In post 180, PeaceBringer wrote:
vote prolapsed brain

Juls is feisty... that is a good thing...

Umm, he doesn't even explain his vote. Never does either.

In post 181, Juls wrote:I can get on board with that...177 was ridiculous

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

Immediately after, Juls jumps on. Right after Prolpased votes her.

I actually feel there is a really good chance that both Juls and Peace are scum.

VOTE: Juls

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:59 pm

Vote me.

IDGAF.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #808 (isolation #130) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:00 pm

I didn't blame you for Prolapsed's lynch btw.

Can you point out where I said that?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #810 (isolation #131) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:39 pm

You going to point it out?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #812 (isolation #132) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:40 pm

I just did.

I am denying what you're accusing me of.

Burden of proof is on you.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #814 (isolation #133) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:47 pm

Oh, that question.

VCA says you're scum. I don't need anything else.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #817 (isolation #134) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:04 pm

Thanks.

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:19 pm

In post 819, pisskop wrote:In 90 BBT says the juls wagon is bad.
In his next few posts he uses the Juls wagon to hunt from. Although that could be defending her, he did say it was bad.
In 251 he townreads Juls.
He keeps mentioning ABR's vote on Juls.
Posts like 414 indicate he wants input from the juls slot.
But then in 454 he's asking people not to lynch Juls instead of trying to push his townread on her
In 758 his townread of her is a thing of the past. So when did this change?

Nice. You have shown you can do a running commentary of my ISO. Is that supposed to show something?

In post 822, PeaceBringer wrote:
GC town-
pisskop probably town

Juls and ABR concerning...
I don't like your vote BBT but can be self protection
Zoro has been largely uninvolved in the game and now tunneling and parking
EQ- no clue

so BBT you are a good suspect, there are others. I am voting within a suspect pool where this is other traction and you "remind" me. I don't have particular behaviors to identify and when I do that I get it often wrong... right now this is the way looking at stuff...

Why don't you like my vote? Zoro is quite likely to be town, would be surprised to see that slot flip scum.

I don't get your last 2 lines either, can you reword them please?

In post 824, Zoronos wrote:
BBT - The VCA leans scummy, sure, but I don't think that alone carries this one. Anything more?

There doesn't need to be any more. Look at the VCs, they tell their own story. I quoted all of the votes that made Prolapsed the leading wagon, they are seriously questionable votes and I believe that's where our focus should be Today.

Where did the Prolapsed wagon come from?
Why did it happen?
Was Prolapsed acting super scummy or is there something more behind that wagon?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #832 (isolation #136) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:17 am

In post 829, Juls wrote:I was lightly suspicious of Prolapsed because of two weak reasons for voting me (first was that I didn't catch that IC meant Innocent Child and the second because of AtE when I made a self deprecating joke). I don't think it was a bad L-2 vote. Jeanne and Garmr hammered him while I was sleeping. If you want to ask Peacebringer why he voted him go ahead, I don't speak for PB. But the fact of the matter is that lynch "happened" because two town people put him at L-1 and hammered. That is not a scum driven wagon or a scum driven lynch, that is simply two townspeople quick lynching. You, bbt, defended my vote on that wagon so this massive shift by you is scummy to me.

You understand that it wasn't Prolapsed that said you mixed up the IC acronym? It was Peace...Prolapsed voted you because he said you wasn't reading.

You're right, town hammered the wagon. That's why I left the end of the wagon off, it doesn't matter. All it means is that scum were influential in the change of votes that made Prolapsed the leading wagon instead of you.

Can you explain how two townies voting for L-1 and hammer respectively means the wagon WAS NOT scum driven? I don't see how they link together in any way whatsoever.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #833 (isolation #137) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:19 am

Juls, what are your current reads on the GC and pisskop slots?

Sotty, where are you?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #835 (isolation #138) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:03 am

Thoughts on the game ABR?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #836 (isolation #139) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:06 am

I'd appreciate it if you could join me on Juls.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #837 (isolation #140) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:09 am

I'm also having trouble seeing all 3 scum on the Prolapsed wagon...

Which means one of Sotty/Zoronos is probably scum and I'm town reading both of them.

I need help.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #838 (isolation #141) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:16 am

There must be 3 town on the Prolpased wagon when he was at L-2...right? Like, all 3 scum cannot be on that wagon...

I have like, one confident town read and I'm not even that confident in it anymore.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #839 (isolation #142) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:59 am

ABR........where did you go?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #841 (isolation #143) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:14 am

Hmm, I feel I should clarify.

When I say a wagon is scum-driven, I generally mean that the people pushing the wagon are the scum, not the people who hop on at the end of the wagon.

The middling votes, the votes that make all the difference between VC 1.3 and 1.4 are scummy. I think there is at least 1, probably two scum, in those middling votes and 1 scum in Sotty/Zoronos which I'm going to need help in working out who it is because I'm town reading both of them.

What's your read on Peace?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #844 (isolation #144) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:23 am

LOL, you joined the wagon that you're two biggest scum reads are on?

Please.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #846 (isolation #145) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:29 am

In post 843, Juls wrote:
Peace
is
my second highest scum read after pk.

Present tense sweetheart.

Sorry, you must eat rope now.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #849 (isolation #146) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:43 am

So, just to clarify;

You're happy pushing a wagon that your two biggest scum reads are on. Yes?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #851 (isolation #147) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:55 am

Good.

Guys, can we lynch Juls now?

BlueBloodedToffee · Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:01 am

They won't lynch me when you flip scum.

I'll be town then.

Silly.

BlueBloodedToffee · Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:15 am

In post 854, Juls wrote:I'm leaving now. Like I said, V/LA. In case you lynch me while I am gone, scum is in BBT, PK, and PB.

Yeah, and we all decided to start the Day by bussing the shit out of each other for no reason.

BlueBloodedToffee · Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:31 am

Juls, would you be willing to vote pisskop?

RC would have been pushing that slot pretty fucking hard Today and for him to be killed over an IC...that needs to be addressed.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #864 (isolation #151) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:46 pm

In post 860, Green Crayons wrote:Claim, son.

Not a chance, scumbag.

In post 862, Zoronos wrote:
I just read back over it. It didn't start from Clusks' vote, though that vote was part of the swing. The swing happened about 6 hours later. After the Peacebringer / Skold / Zoronos / Clusk dustup.
It looks to me like the swing started here:

In post 177, Prolapsed Brain wrote:Nice AtE.
VOTE: Juls

In post 180, PeaceBringer wrote:
vote prolapsed brain

Juls is feisty... that is a good thing...

In post 181, Juls wrote:I can get on board with that...177 was ridiculous

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

I guess Juls missed my question to her (The same post you were responding to here), but the reason I asked because this exchange seems abnormally heated. The amount of anger in the tone of Juls' posts isn't what I'd anticipate. That's what I was referring to when I said I was trying to get my head around the situation.

Clusk's vote was still involved and was a part of the swing - it can't be ignored.

Juls is annoyed because I was hard town reading her D1 and D2 and now I think she is scum. The anger could come from town or it could come from scum, it's not alignment indicative imo.

BlueBloodedToffee · Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:05 pm

OK, so you think scum lie in Juls/Peace?

If so, which one? Or do you think both can be scum?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #870 (isolation #153) » Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:04 pm

Sotty, thoughts on my wagon?

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:57 am

I'm not claiming ABR.

Was you stating intent? Can you expand on where you're at in this game?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #883 (isolation #155) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:28 am

I mean, it's in no way scummy to comment on it.

We have a confirmed townie; CONFIRMED TOWNIE. Yet, RC dies before Equinox. Why? Because he was onto scum, that's why.

VOTE: pisskop

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #888 (isolation #156) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:49 am

I mean, you can act like I didn't want Scarab lynched if you want.

And you can act like my wagon didn't spring out of nowhere to counter your wagon if you want.

But, it still happened.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #891 (isolation #157) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:04 am

Indeed.

Point being?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #893 (isolation #158) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:13 am

You motherfucker ABR.

You scum?

I'm town btw. Not sure how my wagon has just happened...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #895 (isolation #159) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:14 am

ABR/pisskop/Juls?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #896 (isolation #160) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:14 am

Fuck.

I fucking hate being mislynched.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #898 (isolation #161) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:16 am

Getting spoilers for this instantly.

If you're scum ABR, I'm gonna be pissed.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #900 (isolation #162) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:16 am

This all feels very planned.

wihnivoqhivqhiorheniobenhoiqbe#ibhjei

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #902 (isolation #163) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:17 am

We'll see how bad I am when I get spoilers/game ends.

This wagon was dodgy as fuck and I'm super surprised it got through.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #903 (isolation #164) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:20 am

ABR's hammer is fucking awful.

GC might actually be town and just really, really bad at reading me.

pisskop/ABR are scum. The other scum is in Juls/Peace, not sure which one.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #904 (isolation #165) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:20 am

IC has done nothing either.

Ugh.

Fuck this game.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #907 (isolation #166) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:23 am

I know I have this really bad trait where I tend not to push people I like unless I'm really sure they're scum and I've just allowed ABR to coast the entire game. This is kicking my ass countless times and I'm still not learning from it.

Fuck sake. ABR needs to be lynched tomorrow.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #908 (isolation #167) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:23 am

There is no way you thought I was scum ABR.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #909 (isolation #168) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:27 am

I also think ABR hammered me before the pisskop wagon could pick up steam again.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #911 (isolation #169) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:30 am

You claimed to be able to differentiate my town meta and scum meta.

You have shown that to not be the case. I can only assume you're scum for it.

You didn't find it the slightest bit suspicious that nearly everyone started the day thinking I'm scum?

Like, you, pisskop, Juls, Peace and GC are all voting me. That's 5 scum reads. Sotty also expressed that she was scum reading me, I think that only leaves Equinox and Zoro as the only people not scum reading me.

That really didn't set alarm bells off for you? I'm not buying it. You've coasted the entire game and I think it's because you're scum.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #915 (isolation #170) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:33 am

I was town reading him for a while but I like to keep some things close to my chest.

I wanted my vote on scum when I went down. I knew ABR was going to hammer me.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #916 (isolation #171) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:33 am

In post 914, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Well I guess you're going to be really angry at me when you find out my alignment then.

I'm sure I will be.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #917 (isolation #172) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:34 am

pisskop, I was voting you before my wagon was even a thing.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #919 (isolation #173) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:37 am

Nah, it's cool man. You don't have to explain your decisions to me.

You have to play to your wincon.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #922 (isolation #174) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:39 am

Nah, I'm really, really, really positive you're scum. Will be super surprised if you're not.

PEdit - I think it's a good start yeah. But that would mean you're town, which we both know you're not.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #926 (isolation #175) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:48 am

Sorry for flying off the handle a little earlier.

I pride myself on being hard to mislynch. I think this is the first time I have been mislynched on this site (other than one time I was flash-wagoned out of RVS which I don't count) in all the time I have been playing.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #928 (isolation #176) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:50 am

If you're town ABR I have no idea what you're doing.

I've calmed down now pisskop/Juls are scum.

It's difficult to see Juls/Peace being scum together. One of Sotty/Zoro is scum.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #930 (isolation #177) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:50 am

Nah, this is final.

pisskop/Juls and one of Sotty/Zoro.

That's where scum is.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #932 (isolation #178) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:53 am

Go on, try to discredit me. IDGAF.

I KNOW you're scum this game. I know it.

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:18 am

Well played scum, fully deserved the win.

I agree Juls, I was pretty bad this game and I'd like to think it was down to the number of games I was in as opposed to just being bad at Mafia. I realised from this game that I have a few things to work on though, so that's a positive.

GC, no need to apologize. Shit happens, I was scum reading you at one point as well.

Thanks for modding Kalimar!