Open 28 - Quack Mafia. OVER! But who won? before 466

[JDodge]

thats totally uncalled for Jordan.

Vote: Jdodge

-pre-emptive strike.

with regard to the death, i think the flavour implies that he was a legitimate doctor.

OMGUS!

Vote: BM

[JDodge]

Wow, three votes on someone already.

JDodge, it says you're from Port Orange, is that the PO in Florida? If so, I lived down there until recently, I'm an ERAU alum.

Yep. Moved down here in September.

Unvote, vote: Dral

[JDodge]

But you could just tell

me

, right Aimee? In exchange for eternal Merthuggles and stuff, y'know?

For some odd reason, I thought that said "Mert Thuggles", and thought you were going to send your various hired goons or something.

[JDodge]

The problem with a mass claim this early is it gives the scum a sure list of who is a doc and who's a quack, and can start trying to eliminate the normal doc's each night.

not really. true it gives them as much information as us, they dont really NEED to know who is Quack and who is Doc, whereas we need the info to deduce who is scum.

I support a mass-claim, so i'll start off. I protected Mert last night.

QFT (All of it)

[JDodge]

That makes 3 of us...

Mod:

If a quack and a regular doctor target a doctor, will that doctor die or will he live since he's been protected? I know it's an odd question, but still.

[JDodge]

That makes 3 of us...

Mod:

If a quack and a regular doctor target a doctor, will that doctor die or will he live since he's been protected? I know it's an odd question, but still.

i expect the 2 counteract each other...

BM is our genius of the day.

THAT MAKES ME AN IDIOT! YAY!

[JDodge]

WHAT HAVE YOU PEOPLE DONE WITH THE REAL BM????

Genius of the day? Rightside-up quoting?

[JDodge]

Remember people: Just because someone said that they targeted someone who lived, it

does not

mean that they are confirmed doctors. It seems a little like theo is trying to get people to forget that.

[JDodge]

All I'm saying is the argument for protecting lesser known players ahead of IC players - obviously there are 3 people in this little charade who are going to spin a web of lies and deceit but BM asked me why I protected Jordan so I responded to him.

WIFOM-laden if you dig down deep enough.

I think, I can never remember the exact definition of WIFOM.

[JDodge]

Mod:

Could you update the first post please? I keep forgetting people are dead.

[JDodge]

This exchange between Jordan and Indy is fishy.

Very

fishy.

[JDodge]

Want to elaborate? Or are you just tossing accusations in random directions after getting a prod?

Touchy, touchy, touchy...

[JDodge]

I was gonna say, Where is JDodge in the mix of this. Usually he has a say on things.

Boo.

[JDodge]

I was gonna say, Where is JDodge in the mix of this. Usually he has a say on things.

Boo.

What the hell?

You were wondering where I was...

[JDodge]

I was gonna say, Where is JDodge in the mix of this. Usually he has a say on things.

Boo.

What the hell?

You were wondering where I was...

Ummmm...Kay...You still havn't said anything. You like to control the town, why havn't you?

I use different playstyles for different types of games.

[JDodge]

JDodge, who should we lynch?

Indy. Then Jordan.

[JDodge]

i dont think thats a great excuse.

FoS: Jdodge

I do. Open Games are like vacations to me. Gives me a chance to try other things.

[JDodge]

So while the setting is nice to try different tactics because we know more, you are trying tactics applicable when you know less.

Funny, you use such a lame excuse: open games indeed give raise to other tactics, but not this way.

FoS: JDodge

Eh?

[JDodge]

i dont think thats a great excuse.

FoS: Jdodge

I do. Open Games are like vacations to me. Gives me a chance to try other things.

dude, thats what newbie games are for. lol

That's a bad view to have.

[JDodge]

err what?

I'm more talking about the whole "experiment on newbie games" thing. Newbie games are for teaching newbies, not for using them as guinea pigs.

[JDodge]

I still don't see how you can experiment play styles for regular maffia games in this open game with totally different setting where we can gain info other ways. Using this games as guinea pig test sites so to speak is in my opinion also wrong. This is as far as we know, our only chance to get a go at this setting, so play it and stop dodging with the lame excuse that you want to use this to experiment style. It just won't give you info about your style because this setting is totally different.

I'm not using you as guinea pigs. I am using you as a chance to try a more subdued playstyle than what I usually used.

[JDodge]

JDodge, play like you usually do and then you might not have people jumping all over you for being stupid. Playing different usually comes with a different role and if that is so, you might be lying about protecting Mert, thus giving us an excuse to go after you.

This sort of thing is exactly why I've grown to despise metagaming.

[JDodge]

After looking at Jdodge's post, he makes no sense. He is trying a new playstyle on a quack game? How could he even do that? We only have scum, quacks and docs. He can't be trying new doc tactics because we pretty much know everyone thinks they are docs. The only way he could try a new playstyle is if he was scum, unless he specializes in quack games on another board.

unvote: curiouskarmadog
vote: JDodge

WIFOM

Lynch Indy, then Dral.

[JDodge]

Er, meant Dral - Then Indy. Sorry.

[JDodge]

I cannot reveal this. The decision is that both Doctors and Quacks will be labelled "Doctor". In short, there is no way to work out from the night scene whether FeRnAnDo was a Doctor or a Quack.

wow. This gives the scum a huge advantage. We now have no way to catch them in a lie. They will always be able to say they must be a quack. We should have been told this at the beginning. Every game I have seen, the real role was revealed at death. A miserable game just got worst. Please, go ahead and lynch me.

Mod:

Replace Dral instead of allowing him to drag the entire game down. Thank you.

[JDodge]

Mod:

Replace Dral instead of allowing him to drag the entire game down. Thank you.

Sorry, I didn't realize I was dragging the game down. I thought all the inactive people were doing that. I will try to get replaced.

I'm talking about the "Just lynch me then" comment.

[JDodge]

The aim of this game has to be to get two doctors confirmed as quickly as possible, correct?

So how about this:

Three of us each select one person from outside that group that will target us. Nobody else must target one of us or the three "protecting" us. Would scum risk wasting a kill on one of the three of us, knowing we're all guaranteed to either be protected or die anyway? I doubt it.

So they may target one of the three that is doing the protecting but at the very least, assuming nobody protown decided to be an asshat, we should then know who is a Quack and who is either a Doc or is Quack targetting scum. So we lynch one of the targets who seems the scummiest and start confirming people...

What do people think? Does this make sense? Could we use this as a potentially game-breaking strategy?

Problem: what if one is scum?

[JDodge]

I think we should all claim who we protected last night.

Please read the thread before you talk.

[JDodge]

Hey JDodge and karma, I was throwing out my initial thoughts to see what you think

while

I read the game over. I'll have a post later on today or tommorow on what I think is happening in this game.

Terribly sorry that I expect people to at least read the game before blabbing about things. My mistake.

[JDodge]

Unvote, Vote: Indy

[JDodge]

I had RL issues, sorry.

JDodge, may I ask why you are voting someone whom has been prodded, and is inactive?

Because I've been calling for his head and didn't realize I wasn't voting for him.

[JDodge]

why would you want to hear more of that bs?

Vote: Stewie

I just finished reading the thread. A few things I noticed are:

-Dral posting to say he has nothing to post, BM following up with a similar post.
-CKD claiming he targeted nobody at night. Might be because as a doctor he thought it would be better for him not to protect someone and risk killing them, but worth noting.
-Piggy reads the game in 10 minutes and concludes that BM is the right lynch. I think that's a little too fast to come to that conclusion, particularly since she did not give any reasoning other than 'things that other people say and therefore she does not need to repeat' (paraphrased).


In conclusion, I think Piggy and BM are possible scum; and we need to keep an eye on CKD. I'd like to

vote: Ms Piggy

, hopefully she'll have more to say about BM.

OMGUS?

[JDodge]

Bleh, I need a re-read; I'll get back to you sometime tomorrow or Thursday.

[JDodge]

Pfeh, I still think there's quite a case on Indy.

[JDodge]

Pfeh, I still think there's quite a case on Indy.

what? did you just read the crap d3sisted wrote?

Clearly you are not paying attention to think that my suspicion is based on that.

[JDodge]

Pfeh, I still think there's quite a case on Indy.

what? did you just read the crap d3sisted wrote?

Clearly you are not paying attention to think that my suspicion is based on that.

you are missing my point...

d3sisted didnt say anything about Indy..my point was: I can not see any town member reading the crap d3sisted posted and not finding it scummy to the nth degree. After he posted it, the only comment you made was, I still see a case for Indy..

I was asking you what about what d3sisted just posted...didnt that seem a little..er...scummy to you?

Not really...

Your reaction seems vaguely OMGUS, though.

[JDodge]

I already told you that Indy is scum. I'm not changing anything. It seems obvious to me.

[JDodge]

I already told you that Indy is scum. I'm not changing anything. It seems obvious to me.

Even if he is, he can't be the only one.

this is a good point, Indy has not post in a long time and will obviously have to be replaced, why push a case against someone who currently needs to be replaced? With as many scummy people in this thread surely you can find someone else to attack whil eyou wait for Indy's replacement

OK, how about you and d3sisted?

[JDodge]

That's nice that you want to know why. I don't feel like saying why, though.

[JDodge]

Mod

: Vote Count please

[JDodge]

Nice job, tar and jordan. Thanks for the input.

If you're not committed enough to at least pretend like you're part of the game, why don't you just ask for replacements. Seriously.

Don't confuse a lack of content with a lack of interest.

[JDodge]

Nice job, tar and jordan. Thanks for the input.

If you're not committed enough to at least pretend like you're part of the game, why don't you just ask for replacements. Seriously.

Don't confuse a lack of content with a lack of interest.

Err yeah. First line was sarcasm.

And I was addressing the second one.

[JDodge]

I protected Flea

[JDodge]

BTW, the only option for today is obvious.

Vote: No Lynch

DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, PROTECT ANYONE UNLESS YOU ARE A CONFIRMED NON-QUACK

[JDodge]

BTW, the only option for today is obvious.

Vote: No Lynch

DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, PROTECT ANYONE UNLESS YOU ARE A CONFIRMED NON-QUACK

that is insane..

the only way we can kill scum is to lynch..if no one protects we give mafia another kill and we will be back in the same place..

nobody in this game is a confirmed anything.

vote jdodge

Then tell me, o master of the game, why people should protect when doing so could kill enough people for us to lose?

[JDodge]

Anyone else disagree with the no-lynch enough to vote for me? This is important, relevant info.

[JDodge]

edit

dodging..


how will a no lynch help us eliminate scum?

I'll answer this after my question is answered. I have my reasons.

[JDodge]

did you have a question for me?

Nope, a question for everyone else.

[JDodge]

Anyone else disagree with the no-lynch enough to vote for me? This is important, relevant info.

you assume that your "no-lynch" idea was the only reason I voted for you?

No, but it's what pushed you over the edge.

[JDodge]

well that is true, but your question "is a no-lynch idea enough to vote for me"..it seems to suggest that if people vote for you, it is solely based on that, which is not true...

so, is "the no lynch" enough to vote for you? Of course not. Is the facts of who you claimed to protect, who protected you (and the result), and your Day 1 actions (plus the no lynch) enough to vote for you? Yes....

I would still be voting for you if SSF hadnt jumped on so quickly after my vote.

EVERYONE PROTECTED ME AND I DIDN'T DIE

THUS I MUST BE SCUM

GOOD FUCKING LOGIC THERE

I PROTECTED PEOPLE I DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD READ ON BECAUSE I THOUGHT I MIGHT BE A QUACK

THUS I MUST BE SCUM

MORE EXCELLENT LOGIC

[JDodge]

I would still be voting for you if SSF hadnt jumped on so quickly after my vote.

I'd like to hear the thought process behind this...

Unless it's something along the lines of "BANDWAGON = BADBADBAD", in which case, don't bother.

Translation: If it's something that damns me, don't say it

[JDodge]

I PROTECTED PEOPLE I DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD READ ON BECAUSE I THOUGHT I MIGHT BE A QUACK

have a struck a nerve?

Umm, people, indicates you protected more than one...no, you protected mert/ssf which is the same player both nights...also, why do you think you might be a quack? Did something occur to make you believe so?

Mert was a random choice.

That was worded poorly; I meant that I was being cautious of being a quack.

[JDodge]

I can't prove whether or not I'm a quack by protecting scum

[JDodge]

so why not protect someone that you thought was the most protown?

Because if I was a quack, I would kill them.

THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK PLZ

[JDodge]

Translation: If it's something that damns me, don't say it

"Bandwagon = bad" is crap reasoning. How can I be damned by someone else's CrapLogic?

Bandwagon = bad since we're pretty much in lylo. Think please.

BTW, the scum is CKD, Flea and Tar. CKD's comment about quickness is him covering his own ass because Flea misunderstood and tried to quicklynch. Scum is most likely to want a lynch today, since they essentially win if they get a lynch. Thus their real reason for voting me is not because they feel no-lynch is a bad idea, but that they don't want to go through another day (and thus FORCE people to lynch someone whom they have no control over the lynch of) and I am a convenient target using their craplogic.

Tar is scum for the way Indy acted.

Unvote, vote: CKD

[JDodge]

IF INDY/TAR IS SCUM (HE IS), I WOULD NOT HAVE KILLED HIM, MAKING THE EXERCISE POINTLESS.

I DID NOT WANT TO KILL THE MOST PRO-TOWN PERSON IF I WAS A QUACK. DUMBASS.

You're grasping at fucking straws, and the retardedness of it is really pissing me off.

[JDodge]

ohhh, look, a vote AND he knows who the 3 scum are. I guess he no longer feels a no lynch is good..more backpedalling.

Y'assoume I wanted a nou lynch in the first place. I didnout. 'Twas a gambit it was. And payed ouff it has.

so the only people who do want a lynch today is scum? LOL I want to lynch scum today AND tomorrow....FOR THE FOURTH TIME, how does no lynching today help us elminate scum? It only eliminates a a townie tonight, and we will bein the exact same place tomorrow.

You want an easy lynch on an easy target. Big difference.

Oh, and again, please, what is Tar's case? How has he acted..seems he agrees with you today..

Also, anybody wonder why Tar has not questioned Jdodge's case against him once?..Also, anybody wonder why Tar thinks a no-lynch is a good idea?
these are 2 of our scum.

Yes, agreement = scumpartners, hence why I think Tar is scum.

O WAIT

[JDodge]

first of all, no point in name calling..seriously.

next, AGAIN explain what this meant..I asked you why you did not "protect" Tar..you stated.

No point in whining..seriously.

Sounds like you want to prove if you are a quack or not. How exactly do you plan on doing it? Why protect at all? Caught you in a lie...

more insults to come?

How is that a lie? Isn't the object of the town night game figuring out your role?

[JDodge]

WHY DID YOU WANT ME, A POTENTIAL QUACK, TO GO AFTER THE MOST PRO-TOWN PERSON? WHY DO YOU WANT THEM DEAD?

[JDodge]

lol, I didnt say that..please reread my post and quit redirecting..

and answer my questions

Yes, you did. You're calling me a liar because I didn't target the most pro-town person.

Stop ignoring my other posts.

[JDodge]

1.) Can you please quote where I said I wanted you to "protect" the most town player. I simply asked you why you didnt, if you want to find out if you are a quack or not.

so why not protect someone that you thought was the most protown?

The main point with that is that I was trying to see whether or not I am a quack, and if I were a quack I would likely kill said person.

2.) You claim that I am targeting you because you are an "easy target". Why are you an easy target? Is it because you pushed an game tactic that you know is Anti-town?

You assume that I actually thought a no-lynch was our best choice. I didn't. I wanted reactions.

3.) When I asked why you did not "protect" Tar last night, you said you could not prove you were a quack, by targeting scum. When I asked you why you thought Tar was scum, you said because he was agreeing with you today. You avoided the question. That does not explain why you thought he was scummy yesterday or why you did not "protect" him last night. I am asking what that case was yesterday..or have you forgotten that already too? You cant use Tar's actions today to explain your case yesterday..Why did you feel that Tar was scum yesterday?

For reactions obvobv. New game theory I'm developing.

4.) You stated you wanted to prove if you are a quack or not. You claim you did not target Tar, because he was scum..and you are afraid to target the most protown (in your opinion) because you might kill them. Since proving you are a quack is so important..how do plan on doing that with your protections? Furthermore, if no one "protects" tonight, how do you plan on proving you are a quack?

I don't plan on proving myself tonight.

5.) please explain why only scum would want a lynch today. Why wouldnt town want to lynch scum today?

Scum can win with a lynch today, town can't win immediately. If we lynch scum, nobody should protect. If we lynch town,

only people who are near-entirely sure they are not quacks

should protect.

6.) How does no lynching help the town eliminate scum?

7.) if you want a no lynch, why are you voting for me?

Answered above

8.) you last most states, I am ignore your post, please provide me whatever you think I am ignoring of avoiding..Have you asked me a question?

You ignore my posts, not my questions.

8.) and finally, why do you keep avoiding my questions for the past 2 pages?

I look forward to your answers.

I don't like playing 20 questions.

[JDodge]

I admit to lying about my true intentions regarding the no-lynch theory, and to not having a case on Tar D1.

But lynch all liars is a terrible meta anyways.