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If I were a Mafia, and everyone followed the same line of reasoning you did in your last post, the first thing I would have done is vote for myself. That is why it is anti-town.klopyrev wrote:I'm just wondering how voting for myself is anti-town? If I'm mafia, why would I want to vote for myself? What would be the benefit of that?I'm back!-
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I feel that it was a little weird to unvote the random vote while most people were still in the random voting stage, but I don't really find the fact that it was emphasized to be scummy.
I remove my random votes after the first vote count in every game since my second game, unless the votee gives me a reason to keep the vote.I'm back!-
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1) Why would I need to "lead" someone so early on in the game? This was on the second page. If I were mafia, I would just have had to tell them to unvote at such and such time. The leading theory, can be accepted when you are deep in the middle of the game, but on second page?ryan wrote:Isn't it possible that you and Amelia are scumbuddies (mafia partners) and messed up when you both unvoted and did it consecutively instead of maybe waiting? Seemed like you were leading Amelia to unvote. A possible strategy talked about in pregame?
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Ryan, you still haven't answered my question: Exactly what would be gained from the whole exercise of voting randomly and then unvoting the random votes together? I mean, that is a terribly bad move for the mafia, because it creates a connection between the two players, and if one of them is found scum, the other is suspected because of this. It's one of those things where you don't achieve anything, but can later prove to be costly. It's plain foolish to do this by early planning if you are scum.
Personally, I don't think the unvoting achieved anything specific. No one was on a bandwagon at that time. I don't know why AmeliaLi unvoted, but I prefer to unvote by random votes quickly in almost all the games I play.I'm back!-
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But, you still haven't answered my question: What could be achieved by the whole thing of unvoting together?ryan wrote:Tornado: Let's take a breath........in.........now out. You seem to be giving lots of reasons why unvoting next to eachother would be "bad for the mafia" I never said you guys did I said you "could have messed up" I presented theories and you jumped on them from the "mafia point of view" I also presented that mafia when pressured can mess up early in games, did we catch you doing this already?I'm back!-
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Ok, I get your point.ryan wrote:
Without getting annoyed, because you aren't reading my posts. I said I presented theories on what you two did, what you planned on doing is beyond me. Maybe by posting back to back you could say "well it was just random" which is what you are doing right now.Sir Tornado wrote:
But, you still haven't answered my question: What could be achieved by the whole thing of unvoting together?ryan wrote:Tornado: Let's take a breath........in.........now out. You seem to be giving lots of reasons why unvoting next to eachother would be "bad for the mafia" I never said you guys did I said you "could have messed up" I presented theories and you jumped on them from the "mafia point of view" I also presented that mafia when pressured can mess up early in games, did we catch you doing this already?
However, in reply to such a accusation/theory,everyoneand not just the scum would claim it is random.I'm back!-
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There is a problem in that theory.Dral wrote:
True. I guess I would fall into the second category. But so far, there really isn't alot of content in the game.Jester wrote:I agree with this completely. The four fastest ways to show up on my particular scum radar are to:
:arrow: say literally nothing (no posts at all);
:arrow: say nothing (post, but create posts with no game content in them);
:arrow: concentrate on the "guilty" instead of being specific about who might be guilty and who might not be guilty and why; and,
:arrow: to get into a defensive play mode and concentrate on defense to the exclusion of offense.
Generally, scum will do one of the last two things, but not both. Right now, Lowell, Nano, and klopyrev are doing the first; curiouskarmadog and Dral are doing the second; Indy's doing the third; and Amelia's doing the last.
Want a comment on klop? I agree he is just a newbie who didn't know what to do. Voting for himself was probably a joke.
Want a comment on ST and AmeliaLi? Seems like this has already been discussed too much.I guess its possible in pre-game that ST sent a message to AmeliaLi and said "Hey, do a "random" vote on my early to throw people off. Just don't forget to unvote!" Then when AleliaLi saw ST's unvote, she thought "Oh shoot! I forgot to unvote!" and quickly unvoted.But I doubt it.
I do agree that Ryan seems town and is actively searching for scum. Or does he just want us to think that??
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Post 24AmeliaLi wrote:11 = 2139228131 = Fixed
As far as I know, you can't manipulate the dice thing.AmeliaLi wrote:Vote: Sir TornadoI'm back!-
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I am totally opposed to lynch all lurkers strategy. We are here to lynch scum, not the lurkers. Lurkers are not always scum. In a game, all the scum can choose to be active early on, take control of the early proceedings and then say we should lynch all the lurkers, a viable strategy except that the lurkers turn out to be townies.
I would like to see lurkers post right now without needing to pressurize them. Pressurizing the lurkers makes matters worse, because when put under pressure, lurkers, even if they are townies begin to show scumtells, and this makes it easier for the scum to push for a townie mis-lynch.I'm back!-
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As much as I agree with what Nanosauromo says, I would like to add that a dead townie is also a confirmed townie. Quiet townie is certainly not. Would prefer not to lynch anyone until we get everyone to speak out.Nanosauromo wrote:AmeliaLi's "Lynch All Lurkers" strategy is horrid. Lurking =/= scum. A quiet townie is better than a dead townie.
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I've seen that other game too, and he does come across as scummy in that one... but I am deferring voting for him because it appears that voting for himself is his usual style of play (based on games he has played). Hell, he can't be scum in all games he plays, and if he votes for himself in all his games, it is still anti-town, but that doesn't make him a scum.ryan wrote:ryan wrote:
So I did a little metagaming on you and you've done this EXACT same thing in a game you are currently in. What's the story? A tactic or a tell? I apologize that I cannot link the thread but the game is ongoing so we can't talk about it (via the rules) but it's safe to say that this wasn't a "slip up" in this game, he's done it before.klopyrev wrote:vote klopyrev!!! Can I vote for myself?
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The more I look at that comment (and that I know that you've done it before) the more I just cant see how I shouldn't vote you. Anti town is exactly what a vote yourself move would be.
About the deadline... yeah, I agree with Dral about you thinking about that game when you said deadline being on Friday too... still, I concede that people started posting after it.I'm back!-
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I will metagame here a bit. In another game, Kloprev self voted, got lynched on page 2(!) and turned out to be a doctor.ryan wrote:
This quote still screams a big, WHAT, from me. I think the exchange after that from klopy was enough to warrant "what are you doing" BTW, I did confirm in a pm to the mod 8)klopyrev wrote:I'm just wondering how voting for myself is anti-town? If I'm mafia, why would I want to vote for myself? What would be the benefit of that?
So, my suspicions on him have lifted. I would also keep my eye on whoever tries to push for Kloprev lynch. He is the perfect candidate for the scum to make a scapegoat of and claim he seemed scummy if/when he turns out to be town the next day.I'm back!-
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I agree that it is stupid. But, stupid =/= scum.ryan wrote:
That is still no guarantee he's a town role in this setup. Anytime you vote yourself it's a rather stupid move.Sir Tornado wrote:
I will metagame here a bit. In another game, Kloprev self voted, got lynched on page 2(!) and turned out to be a doctor.ryan wrote:
This quote still screams a big, WHAT, from me. I think the exchange after that from klopy was enough to warrant "what are you doing" BTW, I did confirm in a pm to the mod 8)klopyrev wrote:I'm just wondering how voting for myself is anti-town? If I'm mafia, why would I want to vote for myself? What would be the benefit of that?
So, my suspicions on him have lifted. I would also keep my eye on whoever tries to push for Kloprev lynch. He is the perfect candidate for the scum to make a scapegoat of and claim he seemed scummy if/when he turns out to be town the next day.
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From my notes on AmeliaLi:
Theredare the posts I think are scummy. Theare the posts I think are too scummy.bold red
Greenposts are posts that I think makes someone pro-townie
Blueposts (or parts of posts) are the posts with WIFOM arguments.
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1. Confirm
2. NCR
3.Dice roll -- messed up
4. Random vote Sir Tornado
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5. NCR
6. Asks Klopyrev reason for voting self
7.Follows Sir Tornado in unvoting the random vote
8.Accepts Klopyrev's reason for self voting
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9.Calls Klopyrev highly suspicious for self voting
10. NRC
11. Comments about no one giving her any reason to vote for
12.Defends Kloprev for voting for self-- contradiction to her post 8.
13. Agrees with MightyFireBall that there is no reason to vote for Klopyrev
14. Defends accusation from Ryan for following Sir Tornado by saying she randomly voted
15. Tries to defend her random vote.
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16. Tries to explain her "sitting around" and trying to observe.
17. NRC
18. Asks other people to post more often
19.-- contradicting herself in the same post! (more on this later in the post)Says her unvoting her random voting after Sir T was a coincidence and then says she voted after seeing Sir T unvote and thinking "that's a great idea"
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20. Defends herself for being defensive.Seems to be trying not to act scummy
21. Edit for the last post
22. Calls Klopyrev observant.
23.Realizes that she screwed up the dice for random vote
24. More on dice thing
25. Dice thing
26. NRC
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27. Asks Nanosauromo to contribute more
28.Advocates the policy of getting rid of lurkersbecause"they aren't trully here anyways
29. Defends her earlier comment about getting rid of lurkers.
30. Backtracks and saysThreatening to Lynch them is also a good way to prod them....
31. Says she hates to throw votes around
32.Agrees with Ryan about pressurising lurkers, but insists on lynching them.
33.Says she was joking about lynching lurkers,and says we need to pressurize them instead
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34. Agrees that she has been acting anti-town.
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36. Accuses Klopyrev of bandwagoning her for her "lynch all lurkers" post andsays the scum could possibly make use of her as scapegoat.
37.Comments on possibilities of Klopyrev having a power role-- Fishing for power roles? From what I have seen of Klopyrev, he would come out telling everyone whether he has a power role or not (DON'T DO THAT Klopyrev!) if he is not a scum after reading that post.
Which makes me happy with aFOS AmeliaLi
Questions I want answered by AmeliaLi failing which FOS would turn into a vote:
1) In Post 44 you unvoted along with me. In it's explanation, you stated in Post 90 that your unvote was "coincidence". However, you say in the same post, that you unvoted after seeing me unvote. Now...
Coincidence = We just happened to be unvoting at the same time
Unvoting after seeing me unvote and thinking "That's a good idea" = Trying to follow me.
Two totally different things. What exactly were you doing?
2. In Post 46 you accepted Klopyrev's reasons for self voting. However, in Post 51 you sayit is highly suspicious.
Why the sudden change of heart in the space of 5 posts and 212 minutes?
3. In Post 135 you say "Let's lynch them(lurkers)". Yet, quite soon, on being questioned by Ryan you change your position and say "I was joking when I said lynch them"?
This really doesn't make any sense at all to me. Sorry. I hope you can tell me how to make sense of it all.I'm back!-
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Ah, well, there were a few formatting errors in the last post, a few unclosed bold tags.... (I should start previewing!) however, I missed out on one thing:
EBWOP: 2nd question to Amelia in my last post.
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2. In Post 46 you accepted Klopyrev's reasons for self voting. However, in Post 51 you sayit is highly suspicious
There is another twist to this. Five posts after calling Klopyrev highly suspicious, Amelia writes defends his self voting saying:Yeah... But he said he was sorta new so that might have to play a part in the whole voting-for-self brain lapse....
How can a person's opinions about someone change so rapidly twice in the space of 10 posts in an awfully quiet game which had no real content at that time?I'm back!-
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AmeliaLi was not under pressure when she posted the posts I questioned in my question 1 and 2. And, I agree that townies may act scummy when they are put under pressure. That is why I did not question Amelia about her posts before. Now, that the saga of "Amelia and coincidental(?) unvote" and "Amelia and lynch the lurkers post" is over, I can ask her questions as to why she made certain posts she made without her making any more posts under pressure and look scummy if she is town.klopyrev wrote:To repeat another post: Townies often act more scummy than actual scum when heavily pressured. I believe that would be AmeliaLi's situation. Also, since when has Sir Tornado been analyzing things. This was the first time I've seen him act as a vigilant townie (though I may be wrong) I currently don't have a concrete opinion on who is scum and who is not. Since my vote is still safe on AmeliaLi(safe meaning she's not at -1), I'm keeping it there.I'm back!-
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EBWOP:
On rereading, I think the last line of my last post can be misinterpreted. It says:
The "without" is also extended to the "look scummy if she is town" part. So, it would mean:I can ask her questions as to why she made certain posts she made without her making any more posts under pressure and look scummy if she is town.
Just in case someone tries to nitpick too much with semantics.I can ask her questions as to why she made certain posts she made without her making any more posts under pressure andwithoutlookingscummy if she is town.I'm back!-
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It's the 6th? Couldn't bother to count it. Was in a hurry, and I saw your vote, did not vote because I wasn't sure of the count.ryan wrote:
Wait a second. If you believe her to be scum why wouldn't you place a vote on her head? Your vote isn't the 7th anyway, it's only the 6th.Sir Tornado wrote:Amelia please reply to my post. Actually, I was going to vote for you right now, but I will abstain doing so because Ryan has voted for you, and I don't want to lynch you.
Anyway, I believe I have given Amelia enough time to answer. She hasn't, so:Vote AmeliaLi
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Oh, and if anyone is still wondering about Klopyrev self vote, we can finally link that game in which he self voted too (and turned out to be town doctor): Newbie 403
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So, are you saying that you would leave the game mid way if you were not scum?klopyrev wrote:I'm basing my opinion on what I would do, which could be completely wrong.
I am undecided right now whether to upgrade Klopyrev to the "Scummy" list from "Towny making a LOT of goof ups" list right now. The only thing I don't understand is why he had voted for AmeliaLi when he thought she was a townie... I mean, I find this really weird. He votes for her inspite of thinking she is a townie, and then defends her? Sounds scummy to me, but if this is a scum tactic, then I really can't fathom what this would actually achieve.
What the heck,
FOS Klopyrev
Explain please.
I know that I said a few pages ago that I would have my eye on whomsoever tries to push the Klopyrev-wagon... but, now, I think I myself suspect him to me as possible scum. But, I also suspect Amelia right now, more so because of her disappearance and I can't figure out what Klopyrev was aiming to achieve by furthering Amelia-wagon, if both of them are scum. So, that seems to be a bit unlikely.I'm back!-
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Then, we are in big trouble. That's effectively 5 (assuming standard set up for 12 players) or 6 (if there is a SK) players being anti-town... that's half the town!curiouskarmadog wrote:
just throwing this out there for conversation, if both klop and Ameliali are town, what next?ryan wrote:ST: It's almost like who can be the scummiest right now Klopy or AmeliaLi?I'm back!-
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I did not say we had 5 mafia. I said we had 5 anti-town players, because that is the way I think Klopyrev. and AmeliaLi are acting right now, regardless of whether their roles are antitown or not.Numenorean7 wrote:MOD: Could we please have a prod on AmeliaLi?
I don't get this. If there were 5 Mafia, wouldn't that mean that we're in ly-lo? Are you assuming two scumgroups or something?Sir Tornado wrote:Then, we are in big trouble. That's effectively 5 (assuming standard set up for 12 players) or 6 (if there is a SK) players being anti-town... that's half the town!I'm back!-
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Sir Tornado wrote:While Amelia and Klop consider the questions there have been asked, I'll go after another person I think might be scummy:Nanosauromo.
Here are his last five posts, starting from the earliest.
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VI = Village Idiot. A townie who acts so stupid it's scummy.klopyrev wrote:What's VI and what's ly-lo?
Lylo = Lynch or Lose. It means that if we don't lynch scum today, the town loses.Nanosauromo wrote:
Perhaps she's adopted the "Don't move! It can't see you if you don't move!" mentality.After page 7 AmeliaLi has been pretty quiet as well as not answering a few questions posed to herNanosauromo wrote:Looking back on his posts, Klopyrev seems more stupid than scummy.Nanosauromo wrote:
I haven't posted much because I don't have much to post. Do you want me to start making stuff up?Jester wrote:
Is nobody else worried about this? We're at post 212, and Nano's posted exactly four of them: one random vote, one "I'm here", and two "AmeliaLi OMG SCUM lynch all lurkers OBVIOUS!!!111!!"Nano, in 204, wrote:a repeat of his 154
Exactly what has Nanosauromo said? Notice, that he doesn't actually lurk. But, he doesn't really post anything substantial at all. This is how the scum behave. They try not to lurk, because then they would be put under pressure. However, at the same time, he doesn't say anything at all, so that he would be safe when we get to the later days and start rereading.Nanosauromo wrote:
Nano's Thoughts:ryan wrote:
Should we expect a content post from you tonight than?Nanosauromo wrote:Uh... I'm still here.
AmeliaLi's "Lynch all Lurkers" strategy is a horrible Idea. Thus, my vote is on her.
The rest of the game seems like just noise.
Sorry, doesn't fly with me. So, I am going to ask Nanosauromo to tell everyone what he thinks about each player right now.I'm back!-
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AmeliaLi wrote:
1) I saw you unvote and I’d rather not leave a random vote. Your unvote triggered mine.Sir Tornado wrote:Questions I want answered by AmeliaLi failing which FOS would turn into a vote:
1) In Post 44 you unvoted along with me. In it's explanation, you stated in Post 90 that your unvote was "coincidence". However, you say in the same post, that you unvoted after seeing me unvote. Now...
Coincidence = We just happened to be unvoting at the same time
Unvoting after seeing me unvote and thinking "That's a good idea" = Trying to follow me.
Two totally different things. What exactly were you doing?
2. In Post 46 you accepted Klopyrev's reasons for self voting. However, in Post 51 you sayit is highly suspicious.
Why the sudden change of heart in the space of 5 posts and 212 minutes?
3. In Post 135 you say "Let's lynch them(lurkers)". Yet, quite soon, on being questioned by Ryan you change your position and say "I was joking when I said lynch them"?
This really doesn't make any sense at all to me. Sorry. I hope you can tell me how to make sense of it all.
2) I wasn’t changing my heart, I was merely stating the different reasons why he might do such a thing.
3) I knew that I would never be able to get everyone together on the same boat to lynch the lukers. It was more trying to get people out to have more content.
And the question is, when I turn out to be a scapegoat for all the scum out there, then what happens? The scum has their way and have effectively wrapped the town around their finger.klopyrev wrote:Hmm... after not being here for several days, I find AmeliaLi at -1. That's interesting. I still have no opinion what-so-ever, but I feel like I should withdraw my vote not wanting to lynch a townie just trying to defend herself. However, I feel that AmeliaLi is the best candidate right now for scum, so I'm just going to keep it as it is. Wasn't this post completely pointless?
FOS Klop
You just keep saying that without any reasoning. Give us a well thought out reason on all of your posts. Don’t just throw something that has been bandwagoned to death, and give us something new.klopyrev wrote:I'm sorry I'm undecisive! I'll try to be more decisive when there is something more concrete to go on.I still don't fully believe that AmeliaLi is scum, but she's the best candidate at the moment.I guess I'll never be fully certain that someone is scum in this game.
And that’s my wall of words. (For now)Unvote
Thank you for answering my questions.
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That's it! That's why he is the more dangerous as a scum than Klopyrev. Everyone is onto you and Klopyrev, but not him. Not a single FOS. Still, I am inclined to buy his explanation for his behavior and give him some more time to form his opinions and join in.AmeliaLi wrote: Nanosauromo has only posted enough to not be called a serious lurker.
I disagree. I am probably the fourth most frequent poster in this game, after Ryan, you and possibly Numenorean or Klopyrev (I haven't counted the posts, but that is my general feeling).AmeliaLi wrote:
ST you havn't said much either except for asking me those questions. You are one of the few that I have really no opinion on yet.
Ryan is usually aggressive. If you ever find he is not being aggressive, then that is the time to ring alarm bells.AmeliaLi wrote: Ryan is starting to make me nervous. I'm not sure what he was thinking in 328, but the reason why I havn't voted yet is because I don't have a solid opinon on anyone yet.I'm back!-
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Interesting.Klopyrev wrote:Sir Tornado is also scum, because he focuses too much on lynching a single person, rather than discovering who the Mafia are. He's too quick to form opinion.
You call asking 3 questions to someone after analysing 25 of their posts "too quick to form an opinion"?
And, if I am "focusing too much on lynching a single person" why am I even trying to question all three of you, Amelia and Nanosauromo?
Are you telling me you are "discovering who the mafia are"? Kindly enlighten me as to how.I'm back!-
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QFT.Here's your second post with actual content, but at this point, who you think is scum is irrelevant to me. Your attack on me is humorous in its illogic, though. "Saying nothing" and "lurking" are two entirely different things. You are an expert at saying nothing. You've said the most nothing of anyone in the game so far with the possible exception of Lowell. Lowell has been lurking and I notice he didn't come up in your "list" at all. I also never said that I'm on board with the lynch-all-lurkers strategy, no matter how much you might try to spin it that way. I said saying literally nothing was one of four things that would cause people to show up on my radar, not things that would cause me to vote or not vote. Your entire "argument" borders on an ad hominem attack, quite the little scum-tell. I'm amazed you haven't drawn more votes.
Nanosauromo: Can we finally have some sort of proper response from you? If you feel nothing is worth commenting about, then I'll make it a bit easier:
What do you think of:
1) Me and AmeliaLi getting attacked by Ryan early on and then being defensive.
2) AmeliaLi's comments about lurkers
3) Klopyrev's suspicion of CuriousKarmaDog (CKD), Ryan and Me
4) Jester's two posts on the last page.
5) Lowell's comments on the last page.
6) Numenorean7's scumlist and his general play so far.
Fail to answer these questions in reasonable period of time satisfactorily and I vote for you.
By reasonable period of time, I mean 18 hours.
By "satisfactorily" I mean answers which are not one-lined and echoing someone else's comments.
Lastly: You have given us your scum list. How about your townie list?I'm back!-
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I am fairly new here, so would someone explain to me what "Lurking in plain sight" means?Lowell wrote:Relatively scummy-looking. "Lurking in plain sight" is how I'd describe her.
I'd like to hear what she has to say, though. And I don't like putting people so close to lynch before others have had to even take a stand.I'm back!-
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Thanks for answering Nano.
He had only about one (or possibly 2, I did not check) vote(s) on him. And, when I vote people for not posting/lurking, that vote is generally temporary, taken off right after they start posting/replying. It was not as if I was putting Nano on a -1 or even -2 for that matter.ryan wrote:Sir Tornado: I like that you took time to openly quiz one of the players in this game BUT you never threaten to vote somebody if they don't do something. I'm surprised more people didn't FoS you for that comment. Also post 385 is not true. We were both just in a game together and that term was thrown around quite a bit and you NEVER asked what it meant than, why now? What do you think of Lowell being put under heavy suspicion? Is he a good candidate for a Day 1 lynch?
However, your comment is not exactly matching up to some of your earlier actions. I remember asking Amelia some 3 questions and threatening to vote her if she did not answer them. I was asked, by you nonetheless:
Now, that vote on AmeliaLi would have been exactly the same category of vote I would have put on Nano had he not replied. Yet, right now, you say that I should have been FOSed, whilst back then, you actually asked me why I wasn't putting vote on her. Furthermore, by putting a vote on her, I was putting her on -1, whilst here, it was just 2 votes overall on Nano.In post 257 ryan wrote:
Wait a second. If you believe her to be scum why wouldn't you place a vote on her head? Your vote isn't the 7th anyway, it's only the 6th.Sir Tornado wrote:Amelia please reply to my post. Actually, I was going to vote for you right now, but I will abstain doing so because Ryan has voted for you, and I don't want to lynch you.
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I defined satisfactorily, essentially at a bare minimum (more than a single line post). It was merely to get him to post something more than one-liners. At least I can expect that?ryan wrote:ST: What I didn't understand is why you would threaten to place a vote on somebody if they didn't post to your satisfaction, that is what I had a problem with.I'm back!-
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"Up to my satisfaction" was defined as "post anything more than one line".Klopy seriously, did you even read what I typed or just comment on how Sir Tornado reacted to it? He threatened to put a vote on somebody if they didn't post to his (Sir Tornado's) satisfaction. My argument was that Sir Tornado's satisfaction and others satisfaction can be different and that's a real stretch to throw a comment like that out there. You don't threaten to vote somebody, if you feel they are scum you VOTE THEM, not just because they don't answer a question to your satisfaction. Does anyone have a wall handy cause I'm about to bang my head against it?
Would you call that a "stretch"? In fact, I defined that in the same post where I threatened to vote for him. The post, essentially meant that I would vote for him if he generates another one liner reply to all my questions. Are you selectively reading my posts?I'm back!-
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Interesting. Did anyone else notice that AmeliaLi said the same thing in her Post 211?Whatever his role is he should have played a newbie game (with 7 players) and got his feet wet, cause Klopy, you are doing nothing in this thread but further suspicion on what role you actually are, and for the sake of the rest of us townies,I really hope you don't have a power role, if so we are in big trouble.
If you are too lazy to click the above link, I will quote it for you:
I will say, as I said to her, that this goes into the "fishing for power roles" in my notes, and would tell Klop NOT to reply to that post or any further posts of this nature. With others, I would not have minded much, but Klopyrev looks like a person who would say whether he has a power role or not on being asked too much about it.AmeliaLi wrote:Yeah... If he is scum, the town might actually have an advantage.If he has a power role: Have fun killing us off, scum
This, to scum would be very beneficial. If he has a power role, they could NK him. If he doesn't (and if he is town) they could leave him alive to confuse us into mislynching him someday.I'm back!-
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A Jester? In a normal Mini?
I feel that is quite improbable. I don't think mods usually put roles like Jesters in a normal game. In fact, I have never seen a Jester put into a normal game (in the games I have read here that is). The only games I have seen it is in Open Games (Jester Mafia).
However, if klopyrev is a Jester, it would do well for the vig (I am assuming we have a vig) to get him on N1. We need to have some discussion before this though. I just think that there wouldn't be a Jester in a normal mini. For the moment, I have my money on him being either a very crazy mafia or a misguided townie, leaning a bit towards townie.I'm back!-
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I find this a bit suspicious. You put a vote on someone and then leave for a short vacation? It essentially means that your vote stays on that person for a fair bit of time. If the person does get lynched in the ensuing period, you can claim that you weren't there and not responsible.AmeliaLi wrote:Vote: Klopyrev
Note: I'm going to be camping in the middle of nowhere this weekend (leaving thrusday) So no comp for me.I'm back!-
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ROFL!Lol... Nice guess, but no, I'm not a Jester. If I was a Jester, I would have caused greater havoc a long time ago.
Jester is definitely not a normal role. It is only used in open setup games. It just wouldn't be fair to the town otherwise.[/quote]Numenorean7 wrote:
That is not possible:[quote="The Wiki article "Normal Game""]A normal game does not have to have any other roles other than Mafia and Townies. If it includes other roles, they should mostly be considered standard, such as Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Roleblocker, Mason, Traitor, Serial Killer.Jester wrote:I'm now convinced that klopyrev is the Jester role.
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Reading from an outsiders POV, I couldn't stop laughing as I read that. Totally hilarious.Numenorean7 wrote:
That game has already been mentioned. ST linked to it in post 276, and I mentioned it in 285. I actually thought klopyrev looked rather newbie-town in that game: I'm not sure why they lynched him. Here are his posts:ryan wrote:I just metagamed and found this game he was inHello, everyone!!! I'm ready to play my first game:P Since I don't want to be labeled as mafia, I'm not going to do a random vote first. Someone else start. Make sure that random vote isn't me, though.Random.org says:
66 87 57 31 64
47 25 63 20 86
19 96 28 16 43
75 3 79 58 41
68 21 42 1 82Can I vote for myself??? Hmm... nobody voted for ThaiBoxerShorts
yet... So:
vote ThaiBoxerShortsI'm sorry. I'm just enjoying messing everyone up. I'll be more helpful from now on. And like you said, we're not even off the first page yet. We have no idea who is Mafia and who is Town. I'm just doing random things, because I have nothing else to say. Does that take care of your accusation, EmpTyger? As for Nerdling's: Who says I'm nervous?Hmm... How about we analyze EmpTyger's behaviour? If he is Town, he has been trying to catch who he thinks it scum since the beginning of the game. Since he thinks its me, he's been blaming me for a while now. However, even after I tried to explain myself, he's still trying to refute everything I say. This makes me think that he's a Scum. If he's scum, then as soon as he saw me as a target, he latched on and has tried to get me lynched as soon as possible. This really makes me think that he's scum.
FoS EmpTygerMy first two posts were as random as I tried to make them, because I was bored. And since I already read other games and they had people using random.org to make their first votes, I just decided to generate a list of numbers for people to use:P. Anyway, my FoS for EmpTyger is not a vote because I still think that he may actually be town, because some of his arguments make sense. I don't remember why I voted for TBS in the first place. As for my actual vote:
UnvoteWIFOM stands for Wine In Front of Me. Go to the MafiaScum forums and read about it. I just had the same question answered in another game I'm playing.
Anyway, can someone put me of -1? I don't want the town to lose a player so early in the game. You're blaming me only for my random comments.
I get a distinctly different flavor from his posts in 403 (especially his last four) than I get from his behavior this game. Sure, there isn't much to go on, but he demonstrated some good thinking regarding EmpTyger, and he didn't do anything that scummy. Also notice that he never self-voted, just asked if he could. I'm pretty certain I wouldn't have voted for klopyrev in 403. Yes, hindsight is 20-20, but I just don't find anything scummy in his play. Transmission was very wrong to hammer.Hmm... following a line of thought: I'm at -1. If there was a mafia left, they would have killed me already. Therefore, isn't it possible that both mafia are already voting for me? EmpTyger still has my FoS, but I'll put my vote on Nerdling.
Vote Nerdling
IMO, klop has been acting like newbie-scum in this game, and he didn't in that game.
However, if you notice that Klopyrev's style has changed a bit even in this game. Early in the game he appeared totally random and rather confused. Now... well, he still appears totally random and rather confused but less so. And, he has made one or two correct points. I take it as a sign of gaining a bit of experience?
Also, I feel we are being a bit rude towards him...
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My scum list, at the moment consists of:
Nanosauromo
AmeliaLi
Lowell
Klopyrev
I don't like the lurking Nano and Lowell is doing. Although AmeliaLi is in my scum list, I would not like to vote her off today. The only reason for this is that she, unlike the other two is actually posting quite regularly, and if she is the scum, then we are likely to get more information about the other scum from her. The way Nano and Lowell are playing, I don't think we can actually get much information from them if they are scum.
Klopyrev... well, he's fourth in my list, but I am not too sure about him, for the reasons well documented in my previous posts.
My townie list consists of:
Ryan
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CKD, well, I really have no opinion about him as of now. I will have to read his posts again and look into Jester's accusations about him. But, I don't think there is any serious case against him, not as serious as there is against Nano, Lowell and Amelia anyway.
Am I missing 2 people? Whoever they are, I am suspicious of them for not having posted much.
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That sounds tremendously scummy!If we had a deadline right now, I would support a lynch of either klopyrev or Nano. I'd rather not lynch AmeliaLi, Lowell, or Indy, but I wouldn't go all out to defend them either.
Oh yeah, found out my missing people. Indy and Red_c.
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A townie has to try his best to ensure that a mis-lynch doesn't take place. Your post gave me the impression that you thought the three of them were townie, but you were still willing to stand on the sidelines and watch them be lynched.Numenorean7 wrote:
Please explain.Sir T wrote:That sounds tremendously scummy!
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A deadline? I have seen deadlines being imposed only if there is a lull in discussion... never seen a deadline being imposed if a town can't come up with a lynch if there is a lot of discussion taking place. So, if we keep up discussing, we don't have to fear the deadline at all. There is no reason to rush in the lynch because of the fear of a deadline. Of course, I haven't seen many games here... am I correct in my interpretation of the deadline rule?Of course, this deadline discussion is purely hypothetical. I personally don't see the need for a deadline for at least 5 more pages.I'm back!-
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I think I made a mistake by putting her on -1, and that Ryan was wrong to ask me to do so.Around post 250, AmeliaLi was at -3. ryan, whose vote was on me, saw this and decided to put AmeliaLi on -2. This was post 254. This was note very suspicious by itself. However, this was how the game continued from then on. Ryan asked why Sir Tornado didn't vote on AmeliaLi when he found her suspicious. He urged him to vote on her to put her on -1. This was in post 257. Right after that, Sir Tornado voted for her and put her on -1.
It is always dangerous to put a heavily scummy looking player on -1 so soon in the game for the purposes of pressurizing them. In my newbie game, a guy hammered a player who was looking tremendously scummy on 4th page after I put her on -1 for pressurizing her to post. She did turn up scum, but we have no further leads as of day 2 because she couldn't answer accusations directed at her.
This happened after the AmeliaLi saga in this game, so I think now, that I shouldn't have put AmeliaLi on -1 in the first place. It was too risky, and gave the scum the perfect opportunity to hammer her if she was a scum, and claim townie for the rest of the game on the basis of that successful lynch (not saying it proves she is not a scum or anything like that though).I'm back!-
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But you aren't exactly lurking. Lowell may have RL problems (in which case, I think he should ask for a replacement) but you seem to be here all the time, and are yet not exactly contributing to discussions.
And, lack of posting actual content in your posts is scummy.
Here is an example:
Explain that post. Also explain what exactly you achieved by posting it. Explain how it can help the town catch scum. Don't you think it would have helped the town if you had actually commented on Klopyrev's post instead?In post 465, Nanosauromo wrote:Holy quadrupal post, Batman!
I am not saying posting such kind of posts is bad. But postingonlythose kind of posts is bad.
Also, I don't like the fact that you post some one line posts the moment someone attacks you or votes for you and then stop posting. If you want to post only occasionally, look at Jester. He posts not more than 3 or 4 posts per page. But the posts that he does post are concise, to the point, informative and generally carry excellent analysis for the entire game, and are each has many times the content of all your posts put together.I'm back!-
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I think Nano is acting much scummier than Klopyrev. Like I said before, Klopyrev is acting scummy by contributing scummy posts. This gives us a chance to find out his scum mates tomorrow if he is scum. But if Nano is a scum, we have no chance at all. Nada. He just isn't speaking anything.
The same thing goes for Indy, who is giving links to Numenorean's post and saying they are also his views. That, IMO is scummy.
Also, if Klopyrev is scum, it will become apparent tomorrow. Same thing goes for AmeliaLi. I'd keep both of them around for atleast another day even though one of them might just turn up scum.
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