I read your first post where you through up the dice way to vote (totally random I agree) but than you follow Sir Tornado and unvote because "my vote was totally random" seems to me as though you were really trying for the rest of us townies to see you blend in, I don't like people who try to blend.
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I read your first post where you through up the dice way to vote (totally random I agree) but than you follow Sir Tornado and unvote because "my vote was totally random" seems to me as though you were really trying for the rest of us townies to see you blend in, I don't like people who try to blend.[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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Ugh, my previous post came across retarded. Let me try that again. I was concerned because you seemed to put alot of emphasis in your post that your first vote was random where I think we all understood that, you seem to be trying to hard to be a townie, maybe a mafia trying to blend in?[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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By the wayklopyrev wrote:vote klopyrev!!! Can I vote for myself?
FoS klopyrevThis comment seemed to go pretty untouched and while it isn't a scummy one, to vote yourself is anti town and pretty stupid. Saying you were "bored" isn't really a good excuse. I'll be watching your actions closely as well[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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MightyFireball: Unvoting in the random stage was also a little strange but I don't have a problem with it as I've found scummy people in the random stage doing things they didn't think would be caught on. AmeliaLi and klopyrev seem to be doing ALOT to "fit in" normally a tactic scum try and do. I'm confident that one of the two is scum and for now my vote stays with AmeliaLi.[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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Isn't it possible that you and Amelia are scumbuddies (mafia partners) and messed up when you both unvoted and did it consecutively instead of maybe waiting? Seemed like you were leading Amelia to unvote. A possible strategy talked about in pregame?[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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ST, you can lead at ANY point in the game, it doesn't matter if it's a specific target on the first page or the last page, nothing is ever too early to lead in this game, you've played enough games to see that.
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AmeliaLi: You can't sit around this game and not be accused of a) lurking b) not participating. Ask some questions of your fellow players but sitting around doesn't help us find scum. If you are pro town, finding scum should be your #1 goal NOT reading other people's quotes and being quiet. Those two things will get you on the vote list real quickly.[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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Tornado: Let's take a breath........in.........now out. You seem to be giving lots of reasons why unvoting next to eachother would be "bad for the mafia" I never said you guys did I said you "could have messed up" I presented theories and you jumped on them from the "mafia point of view" I also presented that mafia when pressured can mess up early in games, did we catch you doing this already?[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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Without getting annoyed, because you aren't reading my posts. I said I presented theories on what you two did, what you planned on doing is beyond me. Maybe by posting back to back you could say "well it was just random" which is what you are doing right now.Sir Tornado wrote:
But, you still haven't answered my question: What could be achieved by the whole thing of unvoting together?ryan wrote:Tornado: Let's take a breath........in.........now out. You seem to be giving lots of reasons why unvoting next to eachother would be "bad for the mafia" I never said you guys did I said you "could have messed up" I presented theories and you jumped on them from the "mafia point of view" I also presented that mafia when pressured can mess up early in games, did we catch you doing this already?[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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klopyrev: Scum try and sit back and not force the action because they are nervous about slipping up and giving out too much information on themselves. Inactive players don't help the town find scum, they aren't contributing and thus being anti town. Lurkers are of NO help to us in finding mafia, usually why they get so much pressure[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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curiouskarmadog: klopyrev might be "newbie town" but he's also not helping us find scum by sitting around and "watching behaviors" that isn't helpful and voting for yourself? HUH? I still don't follow that and even a newbie town would HAVE to recognize that as being a stupid play and he has enough people talking about it that we aren't doing what we should be doing, pressuring the lurkers and getting some conversation going (and you are right that is exactly what I do in these games)[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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Klopyrev: That theory doesn't fly my friend. Scum can vote eachother, fight with eachother, they can do whatever they want to throw off the town. Those two can be just as scummy as anyone else here. It's called deception and I've seen enough scumpairs do it that I don't take anything for granted[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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I think I explained what needed to be explained already to Sir Tornado. I've left my theory in that post and am moving on to others. What part of my post did you not understand exactly?MightyFireball wrote:Ryan, I'm a little confused by what you're saying about the unvoting conflict. While it is common for scum to be voting for each other, I don't get what the connection is when two people, unvoting at the same time, aren't voting for the same person. This seems more random to me than coordinated. I happen to be of the opinion that this line of thought has been taken too far.[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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So I did a little metagaming on you and you've done this EXACT same thing in a game you are currently in. What's the story? A tactic or a tell? I apologize that I cannot link the thread but the game is ongoing so we can't talk about it (via the rules) but it's safe to say that this wasn't a "slip up" in this game, he's done it before.klopyrev wrote:vote klopyrev!!! Can I vote for myself?[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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Sir Tornado: Pressuring lurkers is sometimes our best route in getting some content. If people aren't going to post, won't reply to their prods, I'd rather see them replaced BUT I have no problem putting a little pressure on somebody who is posting but not posting content. If they can't handle the pressure they will be no help to us in the end game when it comes to mafia pressuring them and causing us to lose. I want the strongest players on my team when we go to the end to take out the scum.[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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ryan wrote:
So I did a little metagaming on you and you've done this EXACT same thing in a game you are currently in. What's the story? A tactic or a tell? I apologize that I cannot link the thread but the game is ongoing so we can't talk about it (via the rules) but it's safe to say that this wasn't a "slip up" in this game, he's done it before.klopyrev wrote:vote klopyrev!!! Can I vote for myself?
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klopyrev wrote:I'll even help you out a bit! I just wondered if I can vote for myself without actually voting in game 403 of The Road to Rome. Satisfied? To continue with the game, I have a question for the more experienced people. How do you keep notes? I keep reading different posts over and over, but there are just too many for me to base my opinion about anything. How do you keep notes? What do you write down and what do you not write down?
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The comment I haven't understood from AmeliaLi is saying that she's read her past comments and feels she's been playing "anti town" I'm not sure why you'd admit that in the past you were playing badly and than try and fix it? Like I commented above, fixing your anti town plays should be done by content not by "You know what, I've been playing anti town, I'll fix it" that just makes me go, HUH?[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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I don't disagree that I have played agressive this game but I'm willing to make the mafia feel threatened, they will mess up and it will be beneficial later when the town has that information to win. The target is on my chest no question about it, so pay attention to those who jump on me, they are your scum.Numenorean7 wrote:I wrote:I am aware of the fallacy "too townie". That's why I used that phrase. My comment was meant to be humorous for the more experienced players, but it was mostly meant as a trap for inexperienced scum. Ryan's aggressive scumhunting might be making some of the Mafia feel nervous, and they'd be eager to jump on any suspicions voiced by some other player.[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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Jester makes a good point Nano, when can we expect some actual content from you?Jester wrote:Nanosauromo wrote:Just a heads up: I'm going to be gone until Sunday evening. Expect no posts from me until then.How would that be different from the rest of your game so far?You haven't posted yet.
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MightyFireball: Nice catch there. (Could you leave the person's name who actually quoted it for future reference though) If you are confident enough to put a vote on somebody than beside the random stage, it should be placed on them because you believe they are scum NOT because it would be safe to do it. Klopyrev, explain please.[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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This quote still screams a big, WHAT, from me. I think the exchange after that from klopy was enough to warrant "what are you doing" BTW, I did confirm in a pm to the mod 8)klopyrev wrote:I'm just wondering how voting for myself is anti-town? If I'm mafia, why would I want to vote for myself? What would be the benefit of that?[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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That is still no guarantee he's a town role in this setup. Anytime you vote yourself it's a rather stupid move.Sir Tornado wrote:
I will metagame here a bit. In another game, Kloprev self voted, got lynched on page 2(!) and turned out to be a doctor.ryan wrote:
This quote still screams a big, WHAT, from me. I think the exchange after that from klopy was enough to warrant "what are you doing" BTW, I did confirm in a pm to the mod 8)klopyrev wrote:I'm just wondering how voting for myself is anti-town? If I'm mafia, why would I want to vote for myself? What would be the benefit of that?
So, my suspicions on him have lifted. I would also keep my eye on whoever tries to push for Kloprev lynch. He is the perfect candidate for the scum to make a scapegoat of and claim he seemed scummy if/when he turns out to be town the next day.[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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I would hope that he wouldn't have a power role. Somebody asking about voting themself that has a power role is just a role that isn't going to help us later. IF he is scum, I'm sure his partners have to be bouncing their heads off their desks[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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I still am not a big fan of setting "traps" in mafia games as more times than not you get a townie who gets himself sucked into it and than we end up lynching a townie because he made the wrong move at the wrong time. I agree with Jester that I do find you to be doing pro town moves, but this one wasn't your finest.Numenorean7 wrote:I wrote:Anyone think Ryan is being too townie?Ryan wrote:LOL. Can you clarify how somebody can be "too townie?" That made me laugh when I first read it.
I am aware of the fallacy "too townie". That's why I used that phrase.MightyFireball wrote:Is a logical fallacy called Too Townie. It's probably unintentional, but you should be aware of it.My comment was meant to be humorous for the more experienced players, but it was mostly meant as a trap for inexperienced scum.Ryan's aggressive scumhunting might be making some of the Mafia feel nervous, and they'd be eager to jump on any suspicions voiced by some other player.
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I don't know what to make of this fish. Is Ryan acting scummy or isn't he? The word "too" means "to an excessive extent or degree; beyond what is desirable, fitting, or right". That means "too townie" is bad, right? AmeliaLi is not really making sense.AmeliaLi wrote:Ryan has asked all the good questions and I agree with the whole he's acting too-twon. But he hasn't given me reason to say the too-town thing is really bad. I've seen what he's done first hand![i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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No but we would appreciate some suspicions, information, content from you.Nanosauromo wrote:
I haven't posted much because I don't have much to post. Do you want me to start making stuff up?Jester wrote:
Is nobody else worried about this? We're at post 212, and Nano's posted exactly four of them: one random vote, one "I'm here", and two "AmeliaLi OMG SCUM lynch all lurkers OBVIOUS!!!111!!"Nano, in 204, wrote:a repeat of his 154[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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Klopyrev: WHY are you playing this game so safe? You leave a vote on somebody because you are gone for 4 days because it's "safe" You think we should go after the people who are posting instead of pressure/prodding the inactives, (another being safe) Calling Sir Tornado a "vigilant townie" (how do you know he's a townie?) And still using the "save vote on AmeliaLi" You seem to be taking the wrong approach in attacking and catching scum. I was weary of you early and you continue to stay on my radar for a possible scum.[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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MightFireBall. COULD have been joking is the truth, would have been more obvious with an lol or a smiley face, it is pretty difficult to know what people are thinking when they type over the computer. I thought Ameliali backed down instantly when I brought up the lynching lurkers question, fairly simple question for a pro town player I would have thought.[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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Yet metagaming you, you are active in another game and admitted in that game that you have learned how to play on another site. I don't buy that you aren't "familiar with mafia tactics" Sounds like a lurking scum to me. Interesting how you posted RIGHT after Numenorean7 requested a prod on you.Indy wrote:I am here, I just really have no idea who to really vote on, I am still a bit on the new side and am not familiar with a lot of Mafia tactics yet.[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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I can't give the address of the post but check the profile and than look at all the posts, one of them states he learned to play on another sitecuriouskarmadog wrote:
thats interesting...think I will look into that.ryan wrote:
Yet metagaming you, you are active in another game and admitted in that game that you have learned how to play on another site. I don't buy that you aren't "familiar with mafia tactics" Sounds like a lurking scum to me. Interesting how you posted RIGHT after Numenorean7 requested a prod on you.Indy wrote:I am here, I just really have no idea who to really vote on, I am still a bit on the new side and am not familiar with a lot of Mafia tactics yet.[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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On a re-read I'm not finding klopy as suspicious as I first thought, more along the lines of a possible townie who isn't quite sure how to play his role (or a smart mafia, I'm thinking the first part) AmeliaLi was somebody I found suspicious earlier in the thread and after looking back through her posts just don't sit well with me, I think there is enough information on her to come up scum and I'm comfortable placing a vote on her
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Even after the first page where it was stated you are “always on your computer”AmeliaLi wrote:Errrrrn. Wrong. Thanks for trying though. Usually I don't even randomly vote.Most of the time I just sit around. But this time I felt like being different and now I'm on the cutting block. Damn.
EVEN though this was said to be joking a post later, I still am not sure why you would even joke this early in the game about lynching lurkersAmeliaLi wrote:And I highly agree to that statement. Hence why I orignally said lynch the lurkers!
Anti town=bad. Too town=pro town. I have put the pressure on her with some of her comments and that’s the way I play, I pressure lurkers and people I find scummy.AmeliaLi wrote:Okay. I just re read through all my posts, and holy shit, I'm acting Anti-Town. Other than that I have really nothing to add to this. Ryan has asked all the good questions and I agree with the whole he's actingtoo-twon. But he hasn't given me reason to say the too-town thing is really bad. I've seen what he's done first hand!
Losing a power role never helps the town but it doesn’t automatically cause us to lose either. People who aren’t posting content doesn’t help. After page 7 AmeliaLi has been pretty quiet as well as not answering a few questions posed to her (including Sir Tornado’s)AmeliaLi wrote:
Yeah... If he is scum, the town might actually have an advantage. If he has a power role: Have fun killing us off, scum.ryan wrote:I would hope that he wouldn't have a power role. Somebody asking about voting themself that has a power role is just a role that isn't going to help us later. IF he is scum, I'm sure his partners have to be bouncing their heads off their desks[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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Wait a second. If you believe her to be scum why wouldn't you place a vote on her head? Your vote isn't the 7th anyway, it's only the 6th.Sir Tornado wrote:Amelia please reply to my post. Actually, I was going to vote for you right now, but I will abstain doing so because Ryan has voted for you, and I don't want to lynch you.[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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