Mini 466 - Game Over

[ryan]

Vote AmeliaLi

I read your first post where you through up the dice way to vote (totally random I agree) but than you follow Sir Tornado and unvote because "my vote was totally random" seems to me as though you were really trying for the rest of us townies to see you blend in, I don't like people who try to blend.

[ryan]

I stated that you randomly voted (I read your dice way) but why would you state that you your vote was "totally random?" All votes in the first couple of pages are usually random until we move to the next stage, the scum finding stage.

[ryan]

Ugh, my previous post came across retarded. Let me try that again. I was concerned because you seemed to put alot of emphasis in your post that your first vote was random where I think we all understood that, you seem to be trying to hard to be a townie, maybe a mafia trying to blend in?

[ryan]

vote klopyrev

!!! Can I vote for myself?

By the way

FoS klopyrev

This comment seemed to go pretty untouched and while it isn't a scummy one, to vote yourself is anti town and pretty stupid. Saying you were "bored" isn't really a good excuse. I'll be watching your actions closely as well

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MightyFireball: Unvoting in the random stage was also a little strange but I don't have a problem with it as I've found scummy people in the random stage doing things they didn't think would be caught on. AmeliaLi and klopyrev seem to be doing ALOT to "fit in" normally a tactic scum try and do. I'm confident that one of the two is scum and for now my vote stays with AmeliaLi.

[ryan]

But Amelia could have been following ST, possibly two scumbuddies that messed up when they were going to unvote.

[ryan]

2 votes and it's the "cutting block?" You mostly just "sit around?" Thanks for making the case easier on you. Active players don't sit around and wait, nor do they get defensive when a couple of votes are placed on them. Very interesting

[ryan]

Isn't it possible that you and Amelia are scumbuddies (mafia partners) and messed up when you both unvoted and did it consecutively instead of maybe waiting? Seemed like you were leading Amelia to unvote. A possible strategy talked about in pregame?

[ryan]

ST, you can lead at ANY point in the game, it doesn't matter if it's a specific target on the first page or the last page, nothing is ever too early to lead in this game, you've played enough games to see that.

You guys might have messed up, I've said that already. Slip ups happen in this game continually and that's how we find you mafia scum.

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AmeliaLi: You can't sit around this game and not be accused of a) lurking b) not participating. Ask some questions of your fellow players but sitting around doesn't help us find scum. If you are pro town, finding scum should be your #1 goal NOT reading other people's quotes and being quiet. Those two things will get you on the vote list real quickly.

[ryan]

Oh I wasn't arguing with ya, I was just stating my opinion on what happens to non participators in this game. If you are a townie, you'd be hunting scum, finding ways to draw them out, asking the right questions. Ya know?

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Tornado: Let's take a breath........in.........now out. You seem to be giving lots of reasons why unvoting next to eachother would be "bad for the mafia" I never said you guys did I said you "could have messed up" I presented theories and you jumped on them from the "mafia point of view" I also presented that mafia when pressured can mess up early in games, did we catch you doing this already?

[ryan]

Woah AmeliaLi. Theories were presented for the rest of the game members to look at for themselves. This is twice my theories have struck a nerve, interesting.

[ryan]

Tornado: Let's take a breath........in.........now out. You seem to be giving lots of reasons why unvoting next to eachother would be "bad for the mafia" I never said you guys did I said you "could have messed up" I presented theories and you jumped on them from the "mafia point of view" I also presented that mafia when pressured can mess up early in games, did we catch you doing this already?

But, you still haven't answered my question: What could be achieved by the whole thing of unvoting together?

Without getting annoyed, because you aren't reading my posts. I said I presented theories on what you two did, what you planned on doing is beyond me. Maybe by posting back to back you could say "well it was just random" which is what you are doing right now.

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klopyrev: Scum try and sit back and not force the action because they are nervous about slipping up and giving out too much information on themselves. Inactive players don't help the town find scum, they aren't contributing and thus being anti town. Lurkers are of NO help to us in finding mafia, usually why they get so much pressure

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curiouskarmadog: klopyrev might be "newbie town" but he's also not helping us find scum by sitting around and "watching behaviors" that isn't helpful and voting for yourself? HUH? I still don't follow that and even a newbie town would HAVE to recognize that as being a stupid play and he has enough people talking about it that we aren't doing what we should be doing, pressuring the lurkers and getting some conversation going (and you are right that is exactly what I do in these games)

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Klopyrev: That theory doesn't fly my friend. Scum can vote eachother, fight with eachother, they can do whatever they want to throw off the town. Those two can be just as scummy as anyone else here. It's called deception and I've seen enough scumpairs do it that I don't take anything for granted

[ryan]

Lowell: You've been unusually quiet (especially for you) what do you think about the current state of the game?

[ryan]

Ryan, I'm a little confused by what you're saying about the unvoting conflict. While it is common for scum to be voting for each other, I don't get what the connection is when two people, unvoting at the same time, aren't voting for the same person. This seems more random to me than coordinated. I happen to be of the opinion that this line of thought has been taken too far.

I think I explained what needed to be explained already to Sir Tornado. I've left my theory in that post and am moving on to others. What part of my post did you not understand exactly?

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MightyFireball: It was a theory my friend and it got discussion going, so in all honesty it worked for even at LEAST that fact. Now onto the lurkers in this game, you guys better step it up or the pressure vote is coming your way next!

[ryan]

vote klopyrev

!!! Can I vote for myself?

So I did a little metagaming on you and you've done this EXACT same thing in a game you are currently in. What's the story? A tactic or a tell? I apologize that I cannot link the thread but the game is ongoing so we can't talk about it (via the rules) but it's safe to say that this wasn't a "slip up" in this game, he's done it before.

[ryan]

Deadline on Friday........so we do have some important things to do Lowell

[ryan]

AmeliaLi: I'd like your opinion on something. What should we do to the lurkers in the game?

[ryan]

Who said anything about a deadline?

Good to see it drew you out to start posting. So who is making your scum list currently? As for "lynching lurkers" I'm more into "prodding lurkers"

[ryan]

The only problem with that is we COULD set it up where a mafia member could get in and lynch somebody if too many votes pile up. I'd rather us put some pressure rather than lynch them.

[ryan]

Figured you meant vote since threatening in this game without a vote never seems to work very well, thanks for clarifying

[ryan]

Sir Tornado: Pressuring lurkers is sometimes our best route in getting some content. If people aren't going to post, won't reply to their prods, I'd rather see them replaced BUT I have no problem putting a little pressure on somebody who is posting but not posting content. If they can't handle the pressure they will be no help to us in the end game when it comes to mafia pressuring them and causing us to lose. I want the strongest players on my team when we go to the end to take out the scum.

[ryan]

How about prod the lurkers or pressure the lurkers instead? What if we lynch some lurkers and they are all town?

[ryan]

I do like how a few lurkers came out and posted in the past few pages, I'm happy about that, now we have a few more to go

[ryan]

So why did the deadline rumor get you to all of a sudden start posting/voting?

[ryan]

vote klopyrev

!!! Can I vote for myself?

So I did a little metagaming on you and you've done this EXACT same thing in a game you are currently in. What's the story? A tactic or a tell? I apologize that I cannot link the thread but the game is ongoing so we can't talk about it (via the rules) but it's safe to say that this wasn't a "slip up" in this game, he's done it before.

unvote/vote: klopyrev

The more I look at that comment (and that I know that you've done it before) the more I just cant see how I shouldn't vote you. Anti town is exactly what a vote yourself move would be.

[ryan]

Jester: Unfortunately I cannot post that klopyrev that was EXACTLY the same one he made here (as the game is ongoing) but if you do a little investigative work you can find the game I'm talking about

[ryan]

I'll even help you out a bit! I just wondered if I can vote for myself without actually voting in game 403 of The Road to Rome. Satisfied? To continue with the game, I have a question for the more experienced people. How do you keep notes? I keep reading different posts over and over, but there are just too many for me to base my opinion about anything. How do you keep notes? What do you write down and what do you not write down?

klopyrev: As for keeping notes, I usually hit quote and than copy and paste comments that appear strange to me in a word document and save it for future reference

[ryan]

Unvote

Anyone think Ryan is being too townie?

LOL. Can you clarify how somebody can be "too townie?" That made me laugh when I first read it.

[ryan]

it is just as (if not more) probable that people who act Pro-Town are in fact, Pro-Town

Right from the definition you provided. I'm an agressive player when it comes to finding scum...........didn't think that was bad

[ryan]

Well I'm glad you have finally seen what was kinda obvious to the rest of us. Saying you are pro town and posting content and proving it are two different things. 8)

[ryan]

The comment I haven't understood from AmeliaLi is saying that she's read her past comments and feels she's been playing "anti town" I'm not sure why you'd admit that in the past you were playing badly and than try and fix it? Like I commented above, fixing your anti town plays should be done by content not by "You know what, I've been playing anti town, I'll fix it" that just makes me go, HUH?

[ryan]

You aren't kidding there

[ryan]

I am aware of the fallacy "too townie". That's why I used that phrase. My comment was meant to be humorous for the more experienced players, but it was mostly meant as a trap for inexperienced scum. Ryan's aggressive scumhunting might be making some of the Mafia feel nervous, and they'd be eager to jump on any suspicions voiced by some other player.

I don't disagree that I have played agressive this game but I'm willing to make the mafia feel threatened, they will mess up and it will be beneficial later when the town has that information to win. The target is on my chest no question about it, so pay attention to those who jump on me, they are your scum.

[ryan]

Just a heads up: I'm going to be gone until Sunday evening. Expect no posts from me until then.

How would that be different from the rest of your game so far?

You haven't posted yet.

More from me tomorrow.

Jester makes a good point Nano, when can we expect some actual content from you?

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MightyFireball: Nice catch there. (Could you leave the person's name who actually quoted it for future reference though) If you are confident enough to put a vote on somebody than beside the random stage, it should be placed on them because you believe they are scum NOT because it would be safe to do it. Klopyrev, explain please.

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Ah, yes. I can add the quote names in future. Sorry.

Not a problem, for re-read purposes it will be nice to know exactly who said what.

[ryan]

Uh... I'm still here.

Should we expect a content post from you tonight than?

[ryan]

I'm just wondering how voting for myself is anti-town? If I'm mafia, why would I want to vote for myself? What would be the benefit of that?

This quote still screams a big, WHAT, from me. I think the exchange after that from klopy was enough to warrant "what are you doing" BTW, I did confirm in a pm to the mod 8)

[ryan]

I'm just wondering how voting for myself is anti-town? If I'm mafia, why would I want to vote for myself? What would be the benefit of that?

This quote still screams a big, WHAT, from me. I think the exchange after that from klopy was enough to warrant "what are you doing" BTW, I did confirm in a pm to the mod 8)

I will metagame here a bit. In another game, Kloprev self voted, got lynched on page 2(!) and turned out to be a doctor.

So, my suspicions on him have lifted. I would also keep my eye on whoever tries to push for Kloprev lynch. He is the perfect candidate for the scum to make a scapegoat of and claim he seemed scummy if/when he turns out to be town the next day.

That is still no guarantee he's a town role in this setup. Anytime you vote yourself it's a rather stupid move.

[ryan]

I would hope that he wouldn't have a power role. Somebody asking about voting themself that has a power role is just a role that isn't going to help us later. IF he is scum, I'm sure his partners have to be bouncing their heads off their desks

[ryan]

Anyone think Ryan is being too townie?

LOL. Can you clarify how somebody can be "too townie?" That made me laugh when I first read it.

Is a logical fallacy called Too Townie. It's probably unintentional, but you should be aware of it.

I am aware of the fallacy "too townie". That's why I used that phrase.

My comment was meant to be humorous for the more experienced players, but it was mostly meant as a trap for inexperienced scum.

Ryan's aggressive scumhunting might be making some of the Mafia feel nervous, and they'd be eager to jump on any suspicions voiced by some other player.

Even after you two had mentioned the fallacy, a fish still nibbled at the bait:

Ryan has asked all the good questions and I agree with the whole he's acting too-twon. But he hasn't given me reason to say the too-town thing is really bad. I've seen what he's done first hand!

I don't know what to make of this fish. Is Ryan acting scummy or isn't he? The word "too" means "to an excessive extent or degree; beyond what is desirable, fitting, or right". That means "too townie" is bad, right? AmeliaLi is not really making sense.

I still am not a big fan of setting "traps" in mafia games as more times than not you get a townie who gets himself sucked into it and than we end up lynching a townie because he made the wrong move at the wrong time. I agree with Jester that I do find you to be doing pro town moves, but this one wasn't your finest.

[ryan]

a repeat of his 154

Is nobody else worried about this? We're at post 212, and Nano's posted exactly four of them: one random vote, one "I'm here", and two "AmeliaLi OMG SCUM lynch all lurkers OBVIOUS!!!111!!"

I haven't posted much because I don't have much to post. Do you want me to start making stuff up?

No but we would appreciate some suspicions, information, content from you.

[ryan]

Lowell and Dral would be a couple that I'd like to hear who they find guilty. I understand that Lowell seems to be MIA right now but something when he gets back on would be appreciated

[ryan]

Well that clears that up, how about you Lowell?

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WOW. Interesting questions Sir Tornado, and some actual content should be coming from Amelia as your raise some very quizical questions. Self voting is ALWAYS an anti town move and that defense was a little weird

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Klopyrev: WHY are you playing this game so safe? You leave a vote on somebody because you are gone for 4 days because it's "safe" You think we should go after the people who are posting instead of pressure/prodding the inactives, (another being safe) Calling Sir Tornado a "vigilant townie" (how do you know he's a townie?) And still using the "save vote on AmeliaLi" You seem to be taking the wrong approach in attacking and catching scum. I was weary of you early and you continue to stay on my radar for a possible scum.

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MightFireBall. COULD have been joking is the truth, would have been more obvious with an lol or a smiley face, it is pretty difficult to know what people are thinking when they type over the computer. I thought Ameliali backed down instantly when I brought up the lynching lurkers question, fairly simple question for a pro town player I would have thought.

[ryan]

DOAH. LOL! Sorry I did screw that up didn't I?

[ryan]

It's quite all right.

Since you seem to be active (along with Sir Tornado) who's the better case for scum here on Day 1, Klopyrev or Amelia?

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I am here, I just really have no idea who to really vote on, I am still a bit on the new side and am not familiar with a lot of Mafia tactics yet.

Yet metagaming you, you are active in another game and admitted in that game that you have learned how to play on another site. I don't buy that you aren't "familiar with mafia tactics" Sounds like a lurking scum to me. Interesting how you posted RIGHT after Numenorean7 requested a prod on you.

[ryan]

Welcome to the game the_Red_c

[ryan]

I am here, I just really have no idea who to really vote on, I am still a bit on the new side and am not familiar with a lot of Mafia tactics yet.

Yet metagaming you, you are active in another game and admitted in that game that you have learned how to play on another site. I don't buy that you aren't "familiar with mafia tactics" Sounds like a lurking scum to me. Interesting how you posted RIGHT after Numenorean7 requested a prod on you.

thats interesting...think I will look into that.

I can't give the address of the post but check the profile and than look at all the posts, one of them states he learned to play on another site

[ryan]

On a re-read I'm not finding klopy as suspicious as I first thought, more along the lines of a possible townie who isn't quite sure how to play his role (or a smart mafia, I'm thinking the first part) AmeliaLi was somebody I found suspicious earlier in the thread and after looking back through her posts just don't sit well with me, I think there is enough information on her to come up scum and I'm comfortable placing a vote on her

Unvote/Vote:AmeliaLi

[ryan]

Errrrrn. Wrong. Thanks for trying though. Usually I don't even randomly vote.

Most of the time I just sit around

. But this time I felt like being different and now I'm on the cutting block. Damn.

Even after the first page where it was stated you are “always on your computer”

And I highly agree to that statement. Hence why I orignally said lynch the lurkers!

EVEN though this was said to be joking a post later, I still am not sure why you would even joke this early in the game about lynching lurkers

Okay. I just re read through all my posts, and holy shit, I'm acting Anti-Town. Other than that I have really nothing to add to this. Ryan has asked all the good questions and I agree with the whole he's acting

too-twon

. But he hasn't given me reason to say the too-town thing is really bad. I've seen what he's done first hand!

Anti town=bad. Too town=pro town. I have put the pressure on her with some of her comments and that’s the way I play, I pressure lurkers and people I find scummy.

I would hope that he wouldn't have a power role. Somebody asking about voting themself that has a power role is just a role that isn't going to help us later. IF he is scum, I'm sure his partners have to be bouncing their heads off their desks

Yeah... If he is scum, the town might actually have an advantage. If he has a power role: Have fun killing us off, scum.

Losing a power role never helps the town but it doesn’t automatically cause us to lose either. People who aren’t posting content doesn’t help. After page 7 AmeliaLi has been pretty quiet as well as not answering a few questions posed to her (including Sir Tornado’s)

[ryan]

Amelia please reply to my post. Actually, I was going to vote for you right now, but I will abstain doing so because Ryan has voted for you, and I don't want to lynch you.

Wait a second. If you believe her to be scum why wouldn't you place a vote on her head? Your vote isn't the 7th anyway, it's only the 6th.

[ryan]

the_red_c- Now that you've replaced in, any thoughts?

[ryan]

Hmm... after not being here for several days, I find AmeliaLi at -1. That's interesting. I still have no opinion what-so-ever, but I feel like I should withdraw my vote not wanting to lynch a townie just trying to defend herself. However, I feel that AmeliaLi is the best candidate right now for scum, so I'm just going to keep it as it is.

Wasn't this post completely pointless

?

Yeah it was and that is why you are at the top of quite a few people's lists, for non content posts like this. We are 263 posts into this game and you still haven't taken a stance on much of anything.

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Actually he talks out of both sides of his.........well you know. Saying AmeliaLi is a townie BUT than saying that she's the best candidate for scum. I'm not sold that he's not just a "not so smart townie" I still believe AmeliaLi is our scum but kloprev isnt helping out the town. I'll throw a

FoS at klopyrev

for that contradicting post

[ryan]

Actually he talks out of both sides of his.........well you know. Saying AmeliaLi is a townie BUT than saying that she's the best candidate for scum. I'm not sold that he's not just a "not so smart townie" I still believe AmeliaLi is our scum but kloprev isnt helping out the town. I'll throw a

FoS at klopyrev

for that contradicting post

Well, being at -1, I was worried that Ameliali would not have time to post before she was hammered. Of course it has been 3 days ( I think) since she has posted..at any rate, I still want to hear from her and may still change my vote back to her...

Oh I'd rather you be safe than sorry but Klopy's post just oozed scummy over it. Heck it wouldn't surprise me if they were in cahoots

[ryan]

Hmm... after not being here for several days, I find AmeliaLi at -1. That's interesting. I still have no opinion what-so-ever, but I feel like I should withdraw my vote not wanting to lynch a townie just trying to defend herself. However, I feel that AmeliaLi is the best candidate right now for scum, so I'm just going to keep it as it is. Wasn't this post completely pointless?

Wow, you don't see that being scummy? Let me dissect it for you than. You have no opinion whatsoever BUT you feel you should withdraw your vote because you don't want to lynch a townie HOWEVER you feel that AmeliaLi (who you just called townie) is the best candidate for scum so you keep the vote on her. How is that NOT scummy? My FoS was warranted as that is taking no stand at all and trying to leave you an out in case AmeliaLi comes up town if she's lynched, than you can say "well I thougth she was townie but wasn't sure" You are acting very strange

[ryan]

I unvoted already. But Wow, the game is over in 3 pages? WTF... I think that it was my fault:( I'll try to be careful next time. I'll try to be more careful in this game too. Anyway, I currently don't know who to vote for, so I'm not going to vote.

Also, I believe the_Red_c to be Town, because a Mafia wouldn't quit a game

. (Well, at least I wouldn't since I like being mafia more than town) Anyone else have a point of view on this?

A HUGE guess by you klopyrev as you've only played two games (so you stated) and we don't know what was going on "real life wise" for the person that the_red_c replaced in for. That is a big assumption by you to think there isn't a chance that he could be mafia. The thing I find interesting is now that the suspicion has grown on AmeliaLi, she's become quiet and you have started throwing around some wild guesses, very interesting.

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I'm basing my opinion on what I would do, which could be completely wrong.

Klopy, this game isn't what would you do it's what is everyone else doing. Are you scum Klopy?

[ryan]

ST: It's almost like who can be the scummiest right now Klopy or AmeliaLi?

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ST: It's almost like who can be the scummiest right now Klopy or AmeliaLi?

just throwing this out there for conversation, if both klop and Ameliali are town, what next?

I echo what you are saying ST, we would be in BIG trouble. One (if not both) are scum. I still feel confident in my AmeliaLi vote but Klopy has been VERY weird the past few pages.

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ST: It's almost like who can be the scummiest right now Klopy or AmeliaLi?

just throwing this out there for conversation, if both klop and Ameliali are town, what next?

Looking back through I believe we have one town and one mafia in that group you just mentioned. AmeliaLi's silence is deafening right now. Nothing, no defense, no scum ideas, no content, nada. Her lynch in my opinion will be beneficial to the town

[ryan]

Are you thinking Klopy is more than just a VI?

[ryan]

MOD: Could we please have a prod on AmeliaLi?

Then, we are in big trouble. That's effectively 5 (assuming standard set up for 12 players) or 6 (if there is a SK) players being anti-town... that's half the town!

I don't get this. If there were 5 Mafia, wouldn't that mean that we're in ly-lo? Are you assuming two scumgroups or something?

I can't believe a non themed game would have 5 mafia. I'm guessing more along the lines of 4 or 3 but 5 seems to be WAY too high.

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MOD: Could we please have a prod on AmeliaLi?

Then, we are in big trouble. That's effectively 5 (assuming standard set up for 12 players) or 6 (if there is a SK) players being anti-town... that's half the town!

I don't get this. If there were 5 Mafia, wouldn't that mean that we're in ly-lo? Are you assuming two scumgroups or something?

I did not say we had 5 mafia. I said we had 5 anti-town players, because that is the way I think Klopyrev. and AmeliaLi are acting right now, regardless of whether their roles are antitown or not.

You do make a good point about their playstyle. Klopy and AmeliaLi (who needs a prod badly) are two that to be honest, either being lynched should show us something. I'm sticking with my vote although Klopy is definetly a strong #2 in my mind

[ryan]

Okay Hey all. Sorry I havn't been on. I had to get a new computer. My little cousin thought it'd be funny to take a magnet to my labtop. Give me some time and

I'll catch up by tonight

.

That would be a good idea, we'll wait till tonight to hear some answers to quite a few questions that have been posed to you

[ryan]

Mod: Vote Count Please

[ryan]

Well Klopy, the interesting thing is the two people that are at the top of everyone's list have yet to place their vote on anyone, why is that?

[ryan]

Well Klopy, the interesting thing is the two people that are at the top of everyone's list have yet to place their vote on anyone, why is that?

well that easy..one can not make up his mind (which is what he just said) and the other has had a problem with magnets and is behind reading...(did some metagaming)..she has been absent all of her games..

14 pages in and you can't make up your mind? Can't say I buy that 100%. AmeliaLi has posted two replies since she returned from the magnet incident. I just find it interesting that we are 14 pages in and 4 people haven't found anything scummy about anyone, seems to be some lurking going on in this game.

[ryan]

I am here, I just really have no idea who to really vote on, I am still a bit on the new side and am not familiar with a lot of Mafia tactics yet.

This was his last post, no content and nothing substantial, he might need a prod too. Lowell also makes me wonder a little bit, I'd be interested in some new stuff from him

[ryan]

vote AmeliaLi

Her and Klop are 1 and 2 on my list but Klop's last post made him seem more townie than Amelia. I'm still watching Klop though.[/b]

you are you replacing again?, dont think it was adjusted page 1..

How do you still believe Jester is scum? He's been prodded for not posting, so what evidence do you have on a non poster?

[ryan]

vote AmeliaLi

Her and Klop are 1 and 2 on my list but Klop's last post made him seem more townie than Amelia. I'm still watching Klop though.[/b]

you are you replacing again?, dont think it was adjusted page 1..

How do you still believe Jester is scum? He's been prodded for not posting, so what evidence do you have on a non poster?

I dont, it is a pressure vote to get him talking (as explained in my post when I voted for him)...why do you have a problem with my pressure vote on Jester, but did not have a problem with my pressure vote on Lowell (post 99)?

I have no problem with pressure votes, I missed your explanation on your vote and thought it was a vote because you thought he was scum (two entirely different reasons)

I'd like to hear more from Jester on why he thinks scum jumped on the AmeliaLi vote list, and who he thinks those scum are?

[ryan]

Post 328. I'd be happy to explain. I find it interesting how Kloppy has gone from (as you say) newbie posts to bandwagon jumper BUT won't put his money where his thoughts are. He seems to be making better posts but not dropping a vote. Anytime I see that it always strikes me as somebody who doesn't want to vote a townie and would rather see somebody get lynched and than say "well that's why I didn't put a vote on him/her" its a scum tactic that could be going on here.

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Post 328. I'd be happy to explain. I find it interesting how Kloppy has gone from (as you say) newbie posts to bandwagon jumper BUT won't put his money where his thoughts are. He seems to be making better posts but not dropping a vote. Anytime I see that it always strikes me as somebody who doesn't want to vote a townie and would rather see somebody get lynched and than say "well that's why I didn't put a vote on him/her" its a scum tactic that could be going on here.

Thank you oh so much for explaining that. But you failed to explian why I was included in that. You only mentioned Klop.

Post 256 was my thoughts on you

[ryan]

I wouldn't mind hearing some more from our replacement player, the_Red_c, any thoughts you'd like to share?

[ryan]

Nano: I agree to a certain extent on the lurkers. I definetly don't want to lynch lurkers, but I have no problem with pressure voting lurkers. (AmeliaLi doesn't fit as a lurker though) I believe that two of those three you mentioned are scum.

[ryan]

Vote ryan

I've made up my mind. I think ryan and Sir Tornado are scum and my opinion is pretty concrete. Look at ryan:

He's being trying to lynch either me or AmeliaLi from the very beginning

. He's hiding his mafia attack by saying he's just an aggresive townie. I really think he's scum. Sir Tornado is also scum, because he focuses too much on lynching a single person, rather than discovering who the Mafia are. He's too quick to form opinion. AmeliaLi on the other hand seems like more of a defensive townie.

What haven't you two done that's scummy? I would say the chances of one of you two being scum is pretty darn good and right now AmeliaLi is the more obvious of you two. Go back and read your posts and than read AmeliaLi's, you two either are the two dumbest townies ever or the two most obvious scum.........I'm picking scum.

[ryan]

Lowell: And your thoughts on AmeliaLi?

[ryan]

interesting,who would you have prefered I pressure voted that a.) i havent pressure voted already or b.) already has a vote on them?..furthermore, why do you care that I put 1 vote on Jester?

Firstly, I don't think there was a need to put a vote on anyone at the time that you did. However, if you really felt like you

needed

to pressure vote someone, better candidates would have been Lowell or Nano.

Neither of these guys have really contributed much to the game and neither have made that many posts

.

Actually those are two different things. Contributing posts full of content is pro town and helpful. Just making posts isn't pro town and isn't helpful.

[ryan]

Jester: You also saw the quote by Indy, I found that weird at the time and still consider that to be strange. Lowell and Indy have been very quiet lurkers who might need a few pressure votes to get them moving in the scum finding (or maybe that is why they are being quiet)

[ryan]

WOW. Jester gets back in the mafia saddle in a big way. Very nice post and you reminded me of a few things on curiouskarmadog that I had forgotten. The only question is this, AmeliaLi is currently #1 on the lynch list for today but yet you only used one of her quotes to talk about, any reason? I do think you brought up some good points about Lowell and some questions you asked he's going to have to "read the thread" and respond.

[ryan]

Looks like Lowell has a few things he'll be explaining (which would be good because he isn't one of our current active posters)

[ryan]

WOW. Jester gets back in the mafia saddle in a big way.

I may be misunderstanding this, but what exactly do you mean by that sentence? Do you think Jester is mafia, then?

Getting "Back in the saddle" means that he finally posts a large content oriented post where he doesn't just drop a bunch of OMGUS statements. You could take a few lessons from that

[ryan]

AmeliaLi: WOW who lit the fire under your ass? You seem to be actually taking an active approach to finding scum for once, I'm actually very surprised. I still don't like your "lynch all lurkers" comment and I really don't care that you did it to "spark conversation" That is a comment that is going to haunt you this game and will be looked at alot. I'm also wondering why the attack on Nanosauromo. You got on him about his one word responses YET ya did the same thing in 390, practice what you preach is all I'm saying on that.

Klopy: This has been stated before but just to be nice and help you for future games (not this one I said FUTURE games) You cannot just openly follow somebody when you vote. Post 384 hits the all time "I'm a follower tell me who to vote for" list. If you agree with somebody elses thoughts than quote the thoughts you agree with and add something else to the table. All I saw in 384 was you latching on to somebody elses opinion and voting on that, very scummy indeed.

Sir Tornado: I like that you took time to openly quiz one of the players in this game BUT you never threaten to vote somebody if they don't do something. I'm surprised more people didn't FoS you for that comment. Also post 385 is not true. We were both just in a game together and that term was thrown around quite a bit and you NEVER asked what it meant than, why now? What do you think of Lowell being put under heavy suspicion? Is he a good candidate for a Day 1 lynch?

Jester: Honestly I appreciated your content in your last two posts, very insightful information which will be helpful as we eliminate scum in the later parts of the game. I understand you had some real life issues to take care of and I hope that those are now done because I feel you are an asset to the game currently (that could always change so don't get too comfortable)

Indy: Your "I'm here no worries and I'm going to be alot more active" post also registered on my lurking meter. Just realize you have now set yourself up where if you don't post and contribute you will begin to look scummy in the rest of our eyes. I hope to see some good content from you fairly soon.

Lowell: I think the rest of the town has had enough of the lurking and not participating. You are under heavy pressure right now (rightfully so) to answer a few questions (that have been posed) I've played enough games with you (I believe this is our 3rd) and never seen you lurk this much, what gives? Aren't we interesting enough for ya? What do you think of a Day 1 Indy lynch?

This was by no means suppose to be excluding any players but I had a bunch of random things on certain people that I wanted to get out and it all got put into this one post. Plus a few people I find scummy I needed to direct some questions at.

[ryan]

ryan- I haven't had internet access as much as I would like over the past few weeks. I only have access at work, and I'm in the process of losing my job over the next couple of weeks. I'm doing my best to find other ways to participate, but it's not perfect. Just chill out: when I figure out how to be the regular poster I once was, I will be.

Could you post the questions you/others have asked? I dont' know what you're referencing.

Also I have no idea who indy is, so I don't know what to make of her/his lynch. I'll read back for that.

I totally understand that real life takes over for mafia life, no worries Lowell, just making sure you were keeping up and it sounds like you are the best you can. I'll go back and find the other questions that have been asked.

[ryan]

Could you post the questions you/others have asked? I dont' know what you're referencing.

Here are a few posts
Post 376
Post 371
Post 365

[ryan]

ST: What I didn't understand is why you would threaten to place a vote on somebody if they didn't post to your satisfaction, that is what I had a problem with.

[ryan]

It came across to me as "Either post a book or I'm voting for ya" I believe I understand what you were saying now, "but slip up again and I'm voting for you maggot". 8) (and yes that last part was a joke fellow gamers)

[ryan]

ryan: You argument against Sir Tornado at this point is ridiculous. Threatening to vote for someone and not actually doing it is the most ridiculous scumtell, if it is one at all.

Klopy seriously, did you even read what I typed or just comment on how Sir Tornado reacted to it? He threatened to put a vote on somebody if they didn't post to his (Sir Tornado's) satisfaction. My argument was that Sir Tornado's satisfaction and others satisfaction can be different and that's a real stretch to throw a comment like that out there. You don't threaten to vote somebody, if you feel they are scum you VOTE THEM, not just because they don't answer a question to your satisfaction. Does anyone have a wall handy cause I'm about to bang my head against it?

[ryan]

Okay Klopy-boy. The ONLY time you mentioned CKD was in the very begining, post #93, and you only voted for him because he was not here very much right after the random vote stage where ryan was burning ST and mine's asses.

And this is what you said:

I still don't understand the explanation of why voting for yourself is scummy. Can someone explain it to me again? Anyway, I have several more questions: What is leading? What is WIFOM? And to contribute to the discussion. Why is it that people who are inactive blaimed? If you are town and are sitting around watching the action, instead of contributing, wouldn't you be able to understand the behaviour of everyone else. In another game I'm playing, I made 2 very stupid posts since the beginning of the game and have been trying to defend myself ever since. If I stayed quite, I could have found out more about other people. Also, how is trying to defend yourself too much a scummy thing? I'm not very experienced, but as a town, I don't want to be lynched in the beginning of the game. That would mean the end of the game for me, since I can't contribute anymore. I would be bored not playing a game. Hmm... anyway, no one has voted for both curiouskarmadog and Lowell, I'll vote for the lexographically least.

vote curiouskarmadog

And as I read that post over and over again. IT'S ALL NEWB QUESTIONS!

Oh yeah btw OMGUS.

Actually that is a good find and supports what I've been thinking about Klopy, he's either a newbie town who doesn't know how to find scum OR a newbie scum who sucks terribly at getting townies lynched. Whatever his role is he should have played a newbie game (with 7 players) and got his feet wet, cause Klopy, you are doing nothing in this thread but further suspicion on what role you actually are, and for the sake of the rest of us townies, I really hope you don't have a power role, if so we are in big trouble.

[ryan]

Whatever his role is he should have played a newbie game (with 7 players) and got his feet wet, cause Klopy, you are doing nothing in this thread but further suspicion on what role you actually are, and for the sake of the rest of us townies,

I really hope you don't have a power role, if so we are in big trouble.

Interesting. Did anyone else notice that AmeliaLi said the same thing in her Post 211?

If you are too lazy to click the above link, I will quote it for you:

Yeah... If he is scum, the town might actually have an advantage.

If he has a power role: Have fun killing us off, scum

I will say, as I said to her, that this goes into the "fishing for power roles" in my notes, and would tell Klop NOT to reply to that post or any further posts of this nature. With others, I would not have minded much, but Klopyrev looks like a person who would say whether he has a power role or not on being asked too much about it.

This, to scum would be very beneficial. If he has a power role, they could NK him. If he doesn't (and if he is town) they could leave him alive to confuse us into mislynching him someday.

I didn't ask for him to respond, and I definetly wasn't rolefishing. I made a comment stating that I believe Klop is a hinderance right now in our finding of scum.

[ryan]

The only reason I havn't voted for Klopy-Boy is something in the back of my head screaming he's a bad choice.

And what about the question I asked of you about Nano in 394?

[ryan]

Oh forget it, this guy isn't helping us find scum and he's annoying me all to heck.

Unvote/Vote: klopyrev

[ryan]

As much as Klopy is annoying the crap outta me right now I just metagamed and found this game he was in


viewtopic.php?t=5563&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0


He does the SAME stuff he does in this game in that game, so I'm no sure what to make of him. I do know he's annoying me BUT I don't want him lynched if he's a townie. I'm just gonna do a safe

unvote

Till I can figure out exactly HOW he's playing

[ryan]

The thing I still don't understand is why you'd ask if you could vote yourself in that game AND in this game? Do you still not see why that is an anti town move? (along with a stupid one?) You might be a new townie but WOW, find the scum don't be the scum (IF you are town that is)

[ryan]

Alright Klopy, I'll give you a chance. I'd like a player analysis up to this point on what you think of our current game players

[ryan]

Lowell: I didn't say that Indy was scum in my mind, I asked your opinion on him, because I feel you are lurking and not really paying attention to the game.

[ryan]

Since I've already posted my thoughts on Klopy and I'm not going to do it again but as I've stated before a Klopy vote is the way to go. People have been using the "he is just a newbie" excuse for pages upon pages, isn't it possible he is a newbie scum that have no idea how to play his role? He's been unhelpful in finding scum, he posts with no content, he follows other's ideas/votes without adding any new information, and generally does nothing to further us finding any scum. Agree with Jester a deadline is very possible as we are QUITE a few pages into this game and we're still waiting on some information from some of our lurkers.

[ryan]

Welcome Gatorguy91

[ryan]

After reading over about half of the total posts, I find that most of the things I figured out have already been stated by other people, thus I don't have much to say. However, I did notice several important things. Around post 250, AmeliaLi was at -3. ryan, whose vote was on me, saw this and decided to put AmeliaLi on -2. This was post 254. This was note very suspicious by itself. However, this was how the game continued from then on. Ryan asked why Sir Tornado didn't vote on AmeliaLi when he found her suspicious. He urged him to vote on her to put her on -1. This was in post 257. Right after that, Sir Tornado voted for her and put her on -1. Right after getting Sir Tornado's vote, ryan questioned the_Red_c about his opinion of the game. Was ryan fishing for his vote to lynch AmeliaLi? That's what it seemed like to me. All of this happened in a matter of a few posts and nobody noticed.

Another interesting thing was that curiouskarmadog took AmeliaLi off -1 and put his vote on me. Several posts later, when ryan saw that people very taking votes off of her, he decided that I am a good candidate for mafia.

To summarize, here are my thoughts. ryan has shown a huge scumtell, or so it seems to me. I don't really have an opinion on Sir Tornado. Even though he put AmeliaLi on -1, he only did it after being pressured by the most town player in the game. As for curiouskarmadog... My suspicion is lifted off of him. Thus:

Unvote. vote ryan

I don't have any more time today, but I will try to catch up with the rest of the game at another time. I'll already spent 2 hours today.

Klopy: I have been consistent on saying you or AmeliaLi are the best lynches for today. I ask people questions on their voting because I am trying to find "tells" and how you'd vote me after you just freely admitted that Sir Tornado put AmeliaLi at -1 is beyond me, but most of your play is.

[ryan]

Indy: Reading while not posting=lurking. And lurking is seen as anti-town.

[ryan]

Hmmm... I find Klopyrev's response to Indy's post to be quite interesting. It seems as though he was overly defensive. I really don't think there was a need for him to swear at a guy who's credibility is very limited due to lack of posts. This leads me to believe that he might have something to hide.

FoS: Klopyrev

It was a rather abrupt answer that I'll agree but Klopy has done this quite a few times during the game when somebody votes him (especially somebody new) I would have rather seen a better content post from Indy on the reason instead of a link to somebody elses post. Agreeing with a person is one thing, taking their content word for word and saying "yup I agree" always makes me drop a "huh?" A little more content would be appreciated Indy.

[ryan]

Vote: klopyrev

I was swayed early by a few people calling him newbie town but reading back through and seeing nothing change, I'm happy with klopyrev being our first lynch

[ryan]

Actually it's far from a bandwagon, the only bandwagon was the ones who were convincing others that Kloppy couldn't be scum that he was just newbie town and I fell for that and unvoted. I did a few posts on the reason for Kloppy being scummy but instead of voting with what my gut said I went along with others who thought he was newbie town (a mistake) I'm staying with Kloppy, he's our best first day play.

[ryan]

Jester: You've been quiet for a little bit, anything new to bring to the table?

GatorGuy91: Have you finished a re-read of the game? Suspicions? Thoughts?

[ryan]

So you aren't replacing than?

[ryan]

@ryan: I was gonna do another long post today, but the klopyrev stuff, including your vote, really threw me for a loop. I want to do my own re-read. My initial take is that a) klopyrev is insane, and lynching him accomplishes nothing, and b) if klopyrev

were

mafia, his mafia-mates would be exerting a little more control over him.

Therefore, if he

is

scum, he's the SK or some other anti-town role.

It's interesting that you're throwing all your weight behind this, ryan. When klopyrev attacks, it's usually you that's in his (rather wobbly) cross-hairs.

Are you confident enough about this lynching to accept the consequences if you're wrong

?

Ah, so if I make a mistake and he's not town I should be on the chopping block because it's my fault? You've done a pretty good job up until this post and than you want the entire day to rest on my shoulders? Very iffy indeed. Almost like you know Kloppy is town and than you hope to get me lynched in Day 2. Very scummy indeed.

[ryan]

Ah, so if I make a mistake and he's not town I should be on the chopping block because it's my fault? You've done a pretty good job up until this post and than you want the entire day to rest on my shoulders? Very iffy indeed. Almost like you know Kloppy is town and than you hope to get me lynched in Day 2. Very scummy indeed.

Oh, please. Point to me where I said that. I make a very reasonable, factual statement here. If klopyrev gets lynched and is a townie (or God forbid, a pro-town power role), and you're leading the charge, suspicion is going to turn on you. Some of the goodwill that you've built up will be lost. That's a simple fact and accusing me of being scum for saying it doesn't change that fact. Does it mean you automatically get lynched on day two? Of course not. Does it mean that people will be very slow to believe what you say on days two and three? That's what it means.

You haven't answered either of my questions about this:
:arrow: do you understand what's above, and are you willing to take that risk?
:arrow: if we end up lynching klopyrev on a deadline, are you confident enough about your vote to lynch klopyrev with just the current three voters?

I'm generally anti-klopyrev-lynch, not because I don't think he's scum (I honestly don't know what he is, other than insane), but because if we lynch him, we learn absolutely nothing useful from the action for day two. I've seen no reasoning from you behind this vote except that klopyrev annoys the crap out of you. As I said earlier, a) he annoys the crap out of me too, but I'm ignoring that part of his personality for now, and b) lynching someone because they annoy you is always (not sometimes, not almost always, but always) a mistake.

I also reject the idea that we can "safely" lynch a townie (even an annoying townie) on day one because we're not in a lylo situation. I'd rather take some extra time and maximize our chances of nailing scum. Patience is a virtue.

As I said last night, longer post from me tonight.

It's interesting that you're throwing all your weight behind this, ryan. When klopyrev attacks, it's usually you that's in his (rather wobbly) cross-hairs.

Are you confident enough about this lynching to accept the consequences if you're wrong

?

How else should I look at that comment? Reads that if we lynch and he's town than I'm the one who's going to take the brunt of the blame.

1) I am confident
2) Since a deadline isn't in the immediate future (per mod) why even bring this up?

You seem to be trying to put me in a corner on this vote. I haven't seen anyone (but maybe AmeliaLi) who's done anything scummy enough to warrant my vote HENCE why I have my vote on him. What exactly has Klopy done in this game to show us he's pro town? Who else has been scummy since you obviously believe Kloppy to be a townie? I'd rather take a stand than sit back and twidle my thumbs and hedge from person to person. Kloppy hasn't helped us find scum, shown quite a few tendencies, and for the most part hasn't shown me that he's a pro town player. If anything he's hindering the town by not doing anything. Hindering the town=anti town=scum in my book. I can't be the only one lynching somebody, it's the majority of the players, so why others shouldn't share the blame is beyond me. I'll let others weigh in on your questioning but to me you seem to be looking for somebody to blame if he's town, and I still find that scummy, fight it all you want but blaming people for mislynches ISN'T pro town.

[ryan]

You're going to take the brunt because your two fellow voters on klopyrev right now are AmeliaLi and Indy. This is a troublesome alliance to say the least.

And for the third time, I don't think klopyrev is town. I don't know what he is, other than someone who's playing the game in a totally insane way. He's either an insane townie or insane scum.

Jester: I can't decide who is voting and who is not. We have quite a few who have chosen not to vote or have dropped their vote on klopy for whatever reason, which isn't under my control. Calling it an alliance is a bit of a stretch, I haven't pursuaded anyone to follow my line of thinking, I've given my thoughts and if you agree, than vote, if you don't, than you vote somebody else. My opinion is that klopy is scum and should be voted, but I can't sway others they have to make their minds up for themselves.

[ryan]

I think Nano is acting much scummier than Klopyrev. Like I said before, Klopyrev is acting scummy by contributing scummy posts. This gives us a chance to find out his scum mates tomorrow if he is scum. But if Nano is a scum, we have no chance at all. Nada. He just isn't speaking anything.

The same thing goes for Indy, who is giving links to Numenorean's post and saying they are also his views. That, IMO is scummy.

Also, if Klopyrev is scum, it will become apparent tomorrow. Same thing goes for AmeliaLi. I'd keep both of them around for atleast another day even though one of them might just turn up scum.

For today, I would suggest Nano.

Unless Klopy is scummy enough that his scummates throw him to the wolves and help lynch him, which is also possible in the case of AmeliaLi.

[ryan]

Just reading everyone's views on whats been going on, I have a feeling that Klop might be safe from a short drop and a quick stop today.

I agree with ST, if Klop doesn't go today, then Nano should be the next. Everything he's said has not helped us find the scum.

I also agree with ST about Indy and linking to Numes posts. If Indy is scum, maybe his scum buddies told him to find someones views and cling to them closely without drawing much attentnion to the others.

Ryan: What do you mean by the statement

Unless Klopy is scummy enough that his scummates throw him to the wolves and help lynch him,

which is also possible in the case of AmeliaLi.

????

Are you saying that the scum might be trying to lynch me or what...?

I'm saying it's possible (not likely but possible) that Klopy's scummates OR your scummates find you two to scummy and jump on the bandwagon and have you lynched. I've been in games where scum partners jump on a wagon of a fellow scum partner to make themselves look townie and thus lynch their fellow partner. I don't know if it happened here or not but is it impossible to think about?

[ryan]

It's a theory as I can't say I've been in a game with two players who say they aren't scummy but are BOTH showing plenty of first day scum tells. The chances they are both scum is very small (or they are very brave to be that much in the spotlight)

[ryan]

Let's be honest, Klopy has enough "WTF Posts" in this game that screams "I like to be in the spotlight" if you like I can highlight a few

[ryan]

Jester: Please quote where I've been actively trying to get people to vote Klopy or AmeliaLi, or where I've said "Hey Jester, vote Klopy"

[ryan]

I was thrown for a loop by the -1,-2,-3 talk as I am unfamiliar with that system (links anyone)

Klopy strikes me as lashing out in all directions, an accused townie oft tends to be a bit more calm, as they have not done anything suspicious so it will be hard to lynch them. Klopy, to me, seems to be trying to shirk aside any bit of blame he can and casts it in several directions. I just recently played a game where I was head Mafia and I was lynched first round. I found myself behaving much like he is now and that is my motivator for my vote against him. I am sure the -1,-2,-3 talk would help even more if I understood it.

-1=one more vote for a lynch, -2=two more votes for a lynch.

[ryan]

Jester: Let me answer your questions/misthoughts

1) Am I the only one that thinks that AmeliaLi and Klopy have exhibited some of the same tendencies? I see a little bit of Klopy in AmeliaLi and vice versa (hence why both are on my scum list)

2) As I asked for earlier, where did I actively say "Vote Klopy or Vote AmeliaLi" My personal opinion is on Klopy at this time and I believe him to be the best first day lynch.

3) Your scum searching and mine might be different. I keep my top two suspects in mind and one other, why throw 5 potential lynches and risk getting somebody mixed up? I also have a few that I feel are town that I watch to see what they do and if they change their habits/tells any. I keep my list small and to the point, guess it's worked before in getting scum so why change it?

4) Again where have I asked a specific player to agree with me and vote Klopy?

Scum List
1) Kloppy
2) AmeliaLi
3) Nanosauromo

Town List
1) MightyFireball
2) Sir Tornado

I'll ask you than ST, where did I say "Vote for Klopy" I've given opinions, posted quotes that I found to be not townie but I never said anyone should follow me if they didn't believe Klopy to be scum.

[ryan]

You could be town, no question, but I doubt that both of you are town.

[ryan]

Ryan.

That wasn't even the main point of my post.

Than WHAT is the main focus? Just because you are on my list doesn't mean you are on others. I think Klopy being lynched is good for the town and if I'm wrong, I'll take the heat, I'm not afraid. If we get to a point where Nanosauromo or you are the two popular choices I'll listen to arguments on why I should change my vote, I have no problem with opinions on people in this game. I fingered two I believe to be scum and I'm at least following through on my suspicions, which is alot better than just dropping votes on anyone that moves. Others seem to think it's better to have everyone on the scum list and carefully calculate everyone of their moves, I picked up on you and Klopy doing a few anti town moves and I've stayed with it, that is how I catch scum when I play.

[ryan]

I invite you to watch me as closely as you choose. I don't like that I'm being looked upon as somebody who "fishes for votes" I play this game agressive, in your face, and after anyone who looks scummy to me, that's my style in the first game and since. If it appeared I was fishing, I definetly was not, when I find somebody scummy I go at them balls to the wall and if I'm wrong, I take the heat but I'm also open to listening on other opinions. I'm in it to win it, and to win it, I have to eliminate the scum and help the town win, but fishing for votes is scummy and if I came across like that it was never the intention.

[ryan]

That is perfect to know that wasn't how you were supossed to come across.

But right now I can't trust your word

.

Hey that's fair, heck I still consider you to be in my top 3 of scum. 8)

[ryan]

Aggro? Uh...........is that like an orange?

[ryan]

Lynch All Lurkers=major blips on my scumdar. Nanosauromo, I'd also like to know how I've "gone after you too much?"

[ryan]

Lynch All Lurkers=major blips on my scumdar. Nanosauromo, I'd also like to know how I've "gone after you too much?"

That was another thing I saw. I think in the last couple posts, you were very adament in saying that there are three people who you think need to be lynched. Yeah, Nano, you are on his list, but he's more concerned right now on offing me and Klopy-boy unless someone comes up with a better reason other than you aren't here.

WIFOM

[ryan]

How isn't that whining? She's complaining that I'm more concerned about offing them than looking at others, which isn't true one bit.

[ryan]

Well than put his name in front of your freakin post, jeez you are a whiner. You quote something I say than you say "yeah Nano you are on his list" How was I NOT suppose to take that directed at me? Split up your post so it's easy to understand and read or be expected to be called out on it!!!!

[ryan]

Unvote/Vote: Nanosauromo

Nice try to get the real doc to claim.

[ryan]

Why are you fearing getting night killed?

[ryan]

Long post from me tomorrow.

My best guess.

So what, we should unvote and wait for the post or lynch somebody who's looking incredibly scummy?

[ryan]

I'm not sure why Jester doesn't just post his thoughts instead of saying he will wait. Get them typed out before we go to night

[ryan]

Well you've been lynched anyway, are you going to *honestly* claim now?

[ryan]

MightyFireball- Is there a reason you're not voting?

Me wanting you dead is "Not Cool", but you wanting klopyrev dead is perfectly all right?

Of course it's a bad thing for me to be dead. Do you really want the Doc lynched?

I think this is a fake claim.

Yet you voted for him

vote nano

. This is just poor scum play.

And called him scummy after he claimed?

FoS: Lowell

I'd also like more info from Jester, who thought he for sure was going to be night killed (which I found interesting)

[ryan]

Ryan: Why did you hammer before everyone had got the chance to review the claim?

Because I didn't have an accurate vote count and miscounted and I thought my vote put him at -1, not the hammer.

[ryan]

Right now, Ryan AND Lowell both appear suspicious to me. Lowell because just about the only thing he has done in this game is to help get Nano lynched. Other contributions? Zilch. Ryan because he hammered Nano after maintaining for almost the entire day that his suspect list for the day consisted only of AmeliaLi and Klopyrev. I mean, if ryan is scum, he would know Nano was telling the truth AND he could see that no one actually believed that claim. He might have figured out that he could easily join the bandwagon and hammer by attacking his claim. And, if anyone asked -- hey, everyone was doing it. Nothing better than getting rid of the doc on day 1 eh?

FOS: Lowell

FOS: ryan

Listen my two suspects were still AmeliaLi and Klopyrev and yes I did make a mistake but the claim seemed so stupid, and so out there that it seemed like a scum made a mistake, either way it was stupid to claim doc on Day 1 anyway. I do wish I would have asked for a vote count instead of placing a vote when I had miscounted.

Vote Lowell

I do agree that Lowell stepped up and actually did something when we were close to lynching somebody, he took this opportunity to get rid of a townie and a power role at that. He is scum.

[ryan]

Don't throw your guilt onto someone else, ryan. Don't bring attention away from yourself. You were the one to hammer. You were the one who was convincing people to hammer on AmeliaLi before.

I didn't convince anyone to vote Nano, I felt the claim was fake and wasn't the only one, I'm not taking the brunt for this lynch. As far as AmeliaLi, what does she have to do with anything at this point? She isn't lynched, she's still alive. Being the one to hammer doesn't finger me guilty, I'm sure not going to justify myself to you, one of the scummiest players in this game so far.

[ryan]

I also do not buy ryan’s (I miscounted the votes statement)..then the vote on Lowell? what happened to klop? Are you hoping for another quick lynch?

Fos Ryan

Go back through the vote counts right before Nano was lynched and tell me how you "don't buy" my claim. I went back through and made a miscalculation on my vote count, you can call me a liar if you choose, but I didn't miscalculate on purpose. Klopy is still on my radar but I feel strongly that Lowell is now our choice, if you re-read through the game you'll see why I feel that way, it's right there in black and white.

[ryan]

Go back through the vote counts right before Nano was lynched and tell me how you "don't buy" my claim. I went back through and made a miscalculation on my vote count, you can call me a liar if you choose, but I didn't miscalculate on purpose. Klopy is still on my radar but I feel strongly that Lowell is now our choice, if you re-read through the game you'll see why I feel that way, it's right there in black and white.

Please provide posts (and post numbers) before the lynch stating why you feel Lowell deserves a lynch. Then I can show you 5x that where you were going after klop. I can also show that you hammered a Doc...I think you chose Lowell because you knew I (and others) highly suspected him. I think it is interesting how you and Gatorguy both voted Nano so quickly for a lynch. I think it is interesting how you and Gatorguy are the first two votes for Lowell now, when pre lynch you pushed heavily for an Amel and klop lynch…..pre lynch I felt Lowell was the scummiest…not now…

Unvote Jester..FoS Jester

….I would love to hear from him at this point. And

FoS Gatorguy

, what are YOUR reasons you feel Lowell should be lynched in Day 2

If you stuck by your hammer and said, "yeah, I thought Nano was scummy and deserved the lynch", I might have believed you…but for someone who picks apart everyone’s posts in detail, I find your excuse of a miscount and out and out LIE…

Vote Ryan

I felt the claim was bogus and that is why I went with my vote. I'm a pro town player who made a mistake with my vote count on Nano and am willing to take the heat for it, although I'm not taking 100% blame. It was a screwup and not somebody looking for opportunity to lynch a townie. We have ZERO confirmed scum at this time (although I do believe unless I'm misreading this person's posts that we do have one scum who has been confirmed by an "investigation") I see Lowell as scum who came out of hiding, dropped a vote and than vanished. I still believe Kloppy to be scum along with Lowell, AmeliaLi for now in my eyes is looking like pro town, I'm not 100% sure on the 3rd right now but after our night session I feel confident about 2 scum.

[ryan]

@ryan
You haven't cleared this up yet:

ryan, I don't get your post 589. It sounds like you are accusing Lowell of flip-flopping, but that doesn't make sense. Are you accusing him of pushing the lynch? If so, I don't think anyone can be blamed for lynching Nano. Everyone believed that his claim was fake.

Also, are you saying you missed this:

You're claiming doc at L-3?

Yes I'm accusing of him of coming out of hiding, dropping a vote and than vanishing. I believe at least two scum were on the Nano bandwagon.

[ryan]

How is that WIFOM?

Yeah, I didn't get that, either. ryan, you haven't answered this one yet. The "W" in WIFOM doesn't stand for "whining."

Than I guess I was just educated. I've always played that WIFOM stood for "whine in front of me" and I thought there was a bunch of whining and woah is me chat in that post.

[ryan]

Listen, if by some chance AmeliaLi isn't scum (which is now possible) or if Klopy turns up town (doubtful) I'll admit to being wrong BUT that doesn't make me more scum than the first person to vote for somebody who is lynched. I am not a "ringleader" or "you gotta vote for (insert name)" I read through posts, I determine who I believe to be scum, I post comments made by said player and I give the town an opportunity to agree or disagree with my statements.

As for the question you posted, (without trying to sound like I'm hiding) read back through and you will also see what I believe to see, without a doc I don't want to say anything more than this.

[ryan]

I never said you didn't know what WIFOM, but you acted as though I didn't. AmeliaLi was whining about me wanting to off her and Klopyboy, it was completely a bunch of whining. I was concerned in finding our scummiest people, but thanks for asking. I'm glad you have two that agree with you, doesn't mean you are right, it's an opinion game ST, I have mine and you have yours, why keep beating this dead horse? You are making no point except badgering over a non important point, move along already.

[ryan]

Pick apart my posts all you want AmeliaLi, but constantly bringing up a WIFOM statement isnt doing the town any justice, all it's doing is wasting perfectly good scum hunting on a pro town player. Dissecting posts is one thing, dissecting one statement, hell not even a statement is a waste of time and if you cant see that than you sure as heck aren't doing anything of scum hunting either. I am excitable when I see scum and want them lynched, no lies there, if I wasn't town I wouldn't care, I'd let your trivial comments roll off my back, but since I'm town in this game I'm going to be excitable, I'm going to attack scum, and I'm going to keep them sweating in this game.

[ryan]

Okay, this is crap.

vote ryan

What exactly are you trying to do here? MANY MANY people didn't believe Nano's claim. We were all wrong, it happens. You have gone from accusing me of NOT PARICIPATING (yesterday) to essentially accusing me of orchestrating a lynch on a powerrole (today). Which is it, chief?

This looks opportunistic at best. Especially since I opened this thread today assuming that I'd have to fend myself off from jester's even more confusing claim that by lynching SCUM I must be scum.

Sir T and Numer- what, exactly, do I have to answer for? Lurking?

You dropped an opportunistic vote on Nano and it's obvious. Up until your vote on Nano you WEREN'T participating, you weren't doing anything, heck I wasn't even sure you were still part of the game until somebody

a) Calls you out

b) Votes you

And than you come flying out of the woodwork with a vote, and yes we who voted were all part of the process that eliminated Nano, I find your opportunity alot more obvious as scum.

[ryan]

@Ryan: And you ignore what I said about you! I had some questions in there I wanted answer before I decide if my vote on you is a good spot.

What questions do you need answered?

[ryan]

A) You keep bringing up the fact that it seems like

you

were the one that brought it (The WIFOM) up in this day, ryan. In post number 609. It hadn't been mentioned today, but for some reason you

had

to post.

B) I'm not the one who was dissecting the WIFOM. I ignored what you had said about me because I had nothing to say to you other than a few choice words.

C)

and if you cant see that than you sure as heck aren't doing anything of scum hunting either

What the hell does that mean? I think you're scum. And this lashing out to all of this makes me wonder some.

D) Trivial? What the hell is trivial about seeing something and noting it for later?

E) You keep saying you're town. It's not exactly a scum-tell, but I'm pretty sure you get some eyes on you.


SIDETHOUGHT:

Where is Klopy-boy? He managed to survive the night just fine, or has his maybe scum buddies told him to shut the hell up?

The ones in that post ryan.

1) It's not lashing out, it's frustration because you seem to be running me around with questions that aren't finding scum, because I'm not scum. I've answered what you've asked when you've asked it directly to me

2) You ripped me for nitpicking you early, yet you are doing it now. Hello kettle. I've been consistent with my scum hunting, have you?

3) I've said it once, I'll say it again, WATCH ME. Do what you have to do if you think I'm guilty, but you will be mistaken. Ask me direct questions and you will get direct answers.

Did I miss anything?

[ryan]

No, no, that is all. Thank you ryan.

I'll wait for someone else to say something before I place a vote.

You are welcome. Who are you waiting on?

[ryan]

No, no, that is all. Thank you ryan.

I'll wait for someone else to say something before I place a vote.

You are welcome. Who are you waiting on?

Klop for one. He has just seemed to disappear... Something more from Lowell and Jester.

Jester and Lowell both just posted Monday night and since Lowell has been sporadic at best with his posting, I wouldn't bank on much from him.

[ryan]

Okay, this is crap.

vote ryan

What exactly are you trying to do here? MANY MANY people didn't believe Nano's claim. We were all wrong, it happens. You have gone from accusing me of NOT PARICIPATING (yesterday) to essentially accusing me of orchestrating a lynch on a powerrole (today). Which is it, chief?

This looks opportunistic at best. Especially since I opened this thread today assuming that I'd have to fend myself off from jester's even more confusing claim that by lynching SCUM I must be scum.

Sir T and Numer- what, exactly, do I have to answer for? Lurking?

You dropped an opportunistic vote on Nano and it's obvious. Up until your vote on Nano you WEREN'T participating, you weren't doing anything, heck I wasn't even sure you were still part of the game until somebody

a) Calls you out

b) Votes you

And than you come flying out of the woodwork with a vote, and yes we who voted were all part of the process that eliminated Nano, I find your opportunity alot more obvious as scum.

That may all be true, ryan. I guess my point is that I'm an easy target today, but not the right one.

You can pretty much try the "you were on the nano wagon AND...." for anyone you feel like accusing. That doesn't make it any less opportunistic.

Well why should I be more of a target than you than? Also talking about your scumday in all your games currently seems to be a waste of a post (yes I metagamed) and more to look like you've been active when you haven't been.

[ryan]

Ryan... Question. You said you didn't like my 'lynch the lurkers' attitude in day one, why does that seem like your only reason for wanting him to be killed?

Seriously? That's my only reason? Have you read my posts in reference to Lowell? Re-read and than tell me again that I only want to lynch him because he's lurking, I've stated a case already, do I need to repost it?

[ryan]

Ooohh, I'm sorry, He 'seems' oppertunistic too.

Let me quote one thing that you said.

You dropped an opportunistic vote on Nano and it's obvious. Up until your vote on Nano you WEREN'T participating, you weren't doing anything, heck I wasn't even sure you were still part of the game until somebody

a) Calls you out

b) Votes you

And than you come flying out of the woodwork with a vote, and yes we who voted were all part of the process that eliminated Nano, I find your opportunity alot more obvious as scum.

Most of that argument there is talking about him not being there execpt for 33 words out of 79.

So his oppertunistic vote counts as roughly 40% of your reasons to vote lowell.

Still... With those two combind as an entire argument, I don't think that's enough to lynch him.

1) Called the doc claim "a lie" and than voted (after not posting anything for pages upon pages)

2) Voted me after I voted him

3) Has posted enough to not be inactive but not enough info on anyone. Actively lurked

4) VERY opportunistic

If you think 40% isn't enough to lynch, than don't vote him AmeliaLi, do whatever you think is right. I read something that leads me to believe Lowell was investigated last night and found to be scum. I felt a strong scum tell when he came out of lurking to place a vote on somebody he hadn't fingered scum up until that point. Since this is a game of opinions, that is mine.

[ryan]

582 you never asked me a question, so saying I "ignored it" isn't 100% true. You made statements but you never said Ryan: Here is a question for you. How can I ignore what wasn't asked? Sorry you feel I'm scummy, I definetly am not

[ryan]

Curiouskarmadog: You mention a possible relationship between Jester/Lowell (saying that Jester omitted Lowell from his list of "people not doing anything") Do you believe that was a mistake by Jester or that Jester/Lowell are scum together? I only ask that because of Jester's post at the end of Day 1 where he basically fingered Lowell scum (569/574) yet didn’t place a vote on him during Day 2.

[ryan]

Curiouskarmadog: You mention a possible relationship between Jester/Lowell (saying that Jester omitted Lowell from his list of "people not doing anything") Do you believe that was a mistake by Jester or that Jester/Lowell are scum together? I only ask that because of Jester's post at the end of Day 1 where he basically fingered Lowell scum (569/574) yet didn’t place a vote on him during Day 2.

The observation was that Lowell/Jester were/are together in a scum group. My vote would have stayed with him (Jester), if I hadnt noticed the swell of FoSes and votes on Lowell right out of the gate for pretty much the same stupid plays that Nano was making.

It also didn’t help your case noting the voting patterns of you and Gatorguy, stating that you miscounted, and that fact that prelynch you were all about Amel and klop.

However, I can not ignore Jester continual pushing of false information. Both of you have scummy vibes for different reason…you are just higher on my list.


Also in your referencing to post 606, I am not claiming a power role, if you assumed somewhere I did. I am a vanilla townie.

But what about Jester's "If I die" speech, you still haven't commented on that and than the non vote on Lowell when he survived the night (since he predicted he would likely be dead) No matter what I say or do if you don't believe I miscounted, than you won't believe it, an honest mistake happened, but I'm not going to harp on that anymore, I've explained it enough. Being about AmeliaLi and Klopy still doesn't mean I didn't find them scum, I found Nano's claim to be a lie and couldn't figure out why on Day 1 somebody would claim doc, seemed like a scum trying a last ditch effort to live.

As for my post 606, I do not believe you are the one with the power role

[ryan]

Mod: May we have a prod on Klopyrev and Indy?

I don't think CKD scum. Yes, he had an period when he wasn't posting, but you guys were calling him scum before that.

what period was there that I didnt posts (sans vacation)?

But what about Jester's "If I die" speech, you still haven't commented on that and than the non vote on Lowell when he survived the night (since he predicted he would likely be dead)

why do I feel like you are manipulating me to change my vote? I will look into your points and form my opinion. Do you have some sort of case against Jester?

CKD: I think you are misrepresenting Jester when you are saying he voted for Nano and left Lowell alone. The thing is, that they were guilty of different types of lurking on D1. Nano was lurking in plain sight, while Lowell was simply not here. That was precisely why I voted for Nano in the first place too. So, your accusation of Jester for voting and analysing Nano more than Lowell is a bit unfair.

ST, do you feel like Jester is misrepresenting me with his facts?

\

I'm not sure yet on Jester, I thought he had been pretty pro town up until the end of Day 1. I just found his "If I die" speech to be directed at Lowell YET he never placed a vote on him after he survived the night session. I definetly am not trying to manipulate, I'm simply asking a question about something that has come up after I've looked over the past 6 pages of information.

[ryan]

CKD: Your vote is on ryan, wheras you are predominantly attacking Jester. I would like you to clarify your position regarding these two people.

I do not believe you are the one with the power role.

I think ryan was and is rolefishing. Does anyone else see this?

Mod: May we have a prod on Klopyrev and Indy?

Klop hasn't posted since sunday and that seems odd...

klopyrev posted on Teusday. (see 634) He's overdue for his reply, but I don't think he needs a prod yet.
Indy has already been prodded. (see 646). It's been out for almost 24 hours now. How long until he's replaced?

Because I stated I didn't think he had a power role? He said to me in 649 that if I thought he had a power role I was wrong, I never asked him to claim.

[ryan]

Indy was on a few times yesterday (saw her name on the logged in screen) I think a replacement is in order

[ryan]

Yet you put 3 (if not 4) on your list and you aren't sure about any of them? I find that real interesting and non committal.

[ryan]

Klop has been rather quiet AFTER the night session, it was brought up by another poster that his partners may have told him to tone it down, wouldn't shock me one bit.

Lowell also strikes me as scum and somebody that would have told Klopy to shut up, to me he's the best choice for a lynch today.

[ryan]

Yet you put 3 (if not 4) on your list and you aren't sure about any of them? I find that real interesting and non committal.

How is that non-committal? Only scum can make their scum-list with 100% certainty this early in the game. Can you name 3 people who you can say are 100% scum?

THIS early in the game? We're 28 freakin pages into this game with two dead already, if you think this is an early game you need to be replaced with somebody who is actually keeping up.

[ryan]

Yet you put 3 (if not 4) on your list and you aren't sure about any of them? I find that real interesting and non committal.

How is that non-committal? Only scum can make their scum-list with 100% certainty this early in the game. Can you name 3 people who you can say are 100% scum?

THIS early in the game? We're 28 freakin pages into this game with two dead already, if you think this is an early game you need to be replaced with somebody who is actually keeping up.

All right then. State 3 people who are 100% scum according to you.

I can't be 100% correct (that would be a great mafia player) but you are acting like there is no information out there and that's wrong. The scum I'm 100% sure on are

Lowell
Klopy


I'd say I'm 100% sure on Lowell and Klopy. My third is between AmeliaLi and Jester. I'd lean toward AmeliaLi right now as my selection if I was forced to choose.

[ryan]

Klop has been rather quiet AFTER the night session, it was brought up by another poster that his partners may have told him to tone it down, wouldn't shock me one bit.

Lowell also strikes me as scum and somebody that would have told Klopy to shut up, to me he's the best choice for a lynch today.

That still isn't enough to help me vote for someone.

I have a feeling it's gonna either be lowell or Klop

.....

You sure change your mind alot don't ya?

[ryan]

100% sure would mean that you are positive that who you are voting for is scum

100% correct would mean you know exactly who the scum are, and the only way that is possible is if you are scum (or a hell of a good guesser)

[ryan]

Klop has been rather quiet AFTER the night session, it was brought up by another poster that his partners may have told him to tone it down, wouldn't shock me one bit.

Lowell also strikes me as scum and somebody that would have told Klopy to shut up, to me he's the best choice for a lynch today.

That still isn't enough to help me vote for someone.

I have a feeling it's gonna either be lowell or Klop

.....

You sure change your mind alot don't ya?

Mmm these last couple posts have made me change my mind yes.

These last couple posts? Are you reading or just going along with the scum in this game? I can't believe that you are still in this game, how this town let you survive Day 1 is beyond me. There are just enough players in this game playing stupid to annoy the crap outta me. Do what ya gotta do scum, looks like you have this game in hand right now anyway. I'm tired of trying to prove my pro towniness in this game to a few idiots who don't know a pro town player from a scum player. Vote me off and lose the game, enough said, I'm not posting again until we are in Day 3 and if I'm alive, great, if not, so long.

[ryan]

Well that puts me at -2. Thanks Sir Tornado, way to show off being another of the idiots playing in this game. I will give you credit for twisting words to make me look bad, that is a good one. I know I said I wouldn't post till Day 3, but since you seem hell bent on eliminating me before Day 3, I will claim


I'm a vanilla townie, no special powers except my vote. So scum continue to hang on my bandwagon all you want.

[ryan]

just because I have unvoted you does not mean that I dont think you are scum, by any means...You are currently lucky that ST had some odd phrasing on his last post.

Seems like you are good on the math when it comes to your lynch, guess you have learned your lesson?

I think your posts are providing important information (not always by you but people’s reaction to your posts)…so if you just stop posting until Day 3, know that I will definitely move my vote back to you. Because if you really are townie, then you would want to help the town to the very end. Because even if you are dead, you still “win”. I am sure you can see how this is a scummy move to say “fine, I am not talking again to day 3”.

Please address.

Hey, I'm not gonna lie there are some real idiots in this game who have pissed me off and haven't done anything but toss around outlandish theories, not actively search out scum and not look at things right in front of them. AmeliaLi saying she isn't voting before she leaves because I stormed off is a copout plain and simple. Sir Tornado is picking apart quotes and constantly coming to her aid in a downright obvious way and Lowell hasn't done anything to refute any claims made toward him, he re-entered the game, placed a vote on our doc and than left without a response. Do ya think I'm happy I claimed? Hell no I'm not and while I am still pissed at some of the effort in this game, I am still a townie and hoping we can regroup and win, and YES I have paid more attention to vote counts since my stupid hammer on Day 1.

These last couple posts? Are you reading or just going along with the scum in this game? I can't believe that you are still in this game, how this town let you survive Day 1 is beyond me. There are just enough players in this game playing stupid to annoy the crap outta me. Do what ya gotta do scum, looks like you have this game in hand right now anyway. I'm tired of trying to prove my pro towniness in this game to a few idiots who don't know a pro town player from a scum player. Vote me off and lose the game, enough said, I'm not posting again until we are in Day 3 and if I'm alive, great, if not, so long.

Let her survive? Well, you hammered Nano (our Doc) in day 1, and instantly voted Lowell day 2..and currently STILL have your vote there...seems to me that you are letting her survive. If Ryan was distancing himself this could be where....

please address.

Yes I know, I hammered the doc, I made a mistake, BUT constantly bringing up the fact that I did isn't doing anything but reminding me. I think everyone here knows I did it, bringing it up again isn't going to fix it or make it right. I feel Lowell is a guaranteed scum by a few postings made, I'm not going to quote them nor out somebodies role but I believe that an "investigation" was done on Lowell and found him to be scum that is why my vote is still there. Yes I still find AmeliaLi to be scum but when I read what I think I read about Lowell being scum I'm gonna stick with a scum who's been outed instead of a scum I THINK could be scum. Lowell needs to go Day 2 and AmeliaLi Day 3.

[ryan]

I still feel like there is a Jester/Lowell connection…I also feel like there is a Gatorguy/ryan connection….even a slightly small Ameliali/ST connection…

Any thoughts on those pairings? Anyone?

Well unless Gatorguy is town than he and I have no connection together. I disagree that ST/AmeliaLi have a small connection, I think it's much bigger. After reading back through look at the interaction those two have on Day 1 together, constantly going back and forth asking eachother questions almost setting up things during the game for the night session. Lowell still has my vote as best lynch. I'm not seeing him and Lowell having a connection

[ryan]

EDIT: I don't see Lowell and Jester having a connection

[ryan]

CKD: I wasn't a big fan of the "if I die speech" but I'm just not feeling that he's part of scum with Lowell. I still think AmeliaLi and Sir Tornado might be somehow connected with Lowell.

[ryan]

Jester: Along those lines than. Why should we not question Lowell about his re-entrance in the game and than disappearance again? You said we should if Nano is scum (which we found out he wasn't) what about Lowell's sporadic play at best? Shouldn't that be sent into questioning?

[ryan]

CKD: I wasn't a big fan of the "if I die speech" but I'm just not feeling that he's part of scum with Lowell. I still think AmeliaLi and Sir Tornado might be somehow connected with Lowell.

I assume you are going to back that up with some sort of analysis, right?

Well I've already shown my suspicions toward Lowell in this thread and if you read the first 9 pages or so with any consistency you will notice alot of back and fort ST and AmeliaLi, if you need quotes I suppose I can run down a few

[ryan]

I think Gator is as guilty as Lowell for his actions, but am wondering why he seems to be off most everyone's radar...or at least vote free.

Gator doesn't have a lot of actions to be "guilty" for, but I agree he's a little suspicious and said as much in both my 371 and 373 (when he was the_Red_c). Gator himself hasn't said anything at all, other than his 588 which was a vote on Lowell with no justification, and answering none of the questions directed his way.

I'm in another game with him currently, I'll drop him a little "reminder" about this thread (in case he forgot)

[ryan]

CKD: I wasn't a big fan of the "if I die speech" but I'm just not feeling that he's part of scum with Lowell. I still think AmeliaLi and Sir Tornado might be somehow connected with Lowell.

I assume you are going to back that up with some sort of analysis, right?

umm, I meant will you provide the Lowell and ST.Amel connection analysis.

Yeah I'm still looking for that to be honest. The AmeliaLi/Sir Tornado goes way back to page 2 for me where I thought they were following eachother WAY too closely and continues for most of the game (I still feel that ST sees that AmeliaLi is a newbie scum and trying to coax her along through the game) Lowell being my #1 suspect would have to fall into that category of those two but he's been so damned inactive that I haven't noticed anything between those three that screamed SCUMTRIO, I'll keep looking though.

[ryan]

Gatorguy91: *shaking head* Um......I'm CONFUSED. Are you basically saying you have nothing to say? I understand keeping your vote on Lowell (that is your opinion) but this doesn't have a whole lot of content in it (since you've been absent for quite a few pages now)

[ryan]

Gatorguy91: *shaking head* Um......I'm CONFUSED. Are you basically saying you have nothing to say? I understand keeping your vote on Lowell (that is your opinion) but this doesn't have a whole lot of content in it (since you've been absent for quite a few pages now)

If CKD Wanted to help the town, wouldn't he give me his answer?

I really do have nothing to say, except:

I think Lowell is scum

CKD & Jester are suspiscious

Ameliali & Indy are somewhat suspiscious

I think Numernorean7 & you are town

Got No Read on Sir Tornado & Klopryev

I think CKD's point was that he had asked you a few questions and you didn't answer his and the questions you asked he had already gone over in the thread

[ryan]

If CKD Wanted to help the town, wouldn't he give me his answer?

If you wanted to help the town, wouldn't you post more?

Touche. So I'm stupid, I guess. Doesn't mean I'm scum, or not.

no you are acting scummy because you are a.) ignoring current discussions, b.) have not read the thread, c.) not explained why your vote is where it is, d.)have no content in your posts...

to me it seems like you are coasting..add something to the game.

QFT

The main complaint we have Gatorguy is it doesn't look like you are paying attention to the game and just posting random thoughts, which can be seen as distracting to the cause of finding scum.

[ryan]

Jester: Well than we won't see you voting till the 15th because I don't anticipate Lowell actually answering questions. He seems to be doing a good job in this game (and another I'm in with him currently) of dropping in, posting quickly and than leaving. I feel Lowell and Indy need to be replaced as discussion is starting to quiet down again and Gatorguy91 putting more thought into his posts would also be appreciated.

[ryan]

LOL no need,

Just from reading the last couple of pages Gatorguy looks very, very scummy.

Vote GatorGuy

Fair opinion but WHY is the question? Posting that somebody looks very very scummy isn't really content. I'd like to see a case on somebody and especially for as fast as you

1) Replaced in
2) Said you'd read
3) Said you read a couple of pages and found Gatorguy scummy

To me it looks a little opportunistic to place a vote rather quickly. Who else looks scummy to you currently?

[ryan]

SPAG: I understand keeping your theories to yourself but you could at least state a case on the guy you are voting as scum.

[ryan]

SERIOUSLY, I leave town and come back and I'm on the chopping board? Come on now pro town players, it's obvious the scum that is on my bandwagon. I'm a townie simple as that, don't let somebody who can be very helpful in finding the scum get lynched.

[ryan]

Than state a case SPAG, right now you are looking quite suspicious for leading a bandwagon with nothing to back you. Numenorean7, I really thought I had a town vibe outta you but with you going to lynch a townie today (which if you lynch me that you will do) Are you saying that me being a townie is worth a lynch? Please tell me how other possible townies (in your mind) are more active in the scum hunt? COME ON NOW, this is just plain stupid. Nobody has a case just a bunch of bits and pieces and now you guys are going to follow SPAG's reasoning? (which isn't any?) Seriously town, take a step back and ask yourselves this question, why would Klopy ask to be replaced and than WHAMO drop a vote on me? Read his jibberish and tell me he's more helpful to the town than I am

With me being as close as I am to a lynch I will AGAIN claim

I am a vanilla townie

[ryan]

LOL no need,

Just from reading the last couple of pages Gatorguy looks very, very scummy.

Vote GatorGuy

This was SPAG’s first post, no reasoning just “he’s very scummy” which isn’t stating a case.

LOL no need,

Just from reading the last couple of pages Gatorguy looks very, very scummy.

Vote GatorGuy

Fair opinion but WHY is the question? Posting that somebody looks very very scummy isn't really content. I'd like to see a case on somebody and especially for as fast as you

1) Replaced in
2) Said you'd read
3) Said you read a couple of pages and found Gatorguy scummy

To me it looks a little opportunistic to place a vote rather quickly. Who else looks scummy to you currently?

These look scummy:

1. Gatorguy
2. Lowell (if gatorguy is not mafia i reckon he is)
3. Khopyhrev

I like to keep my theories to myself for a little while at first.

This is his 2nd post which DOESN’T finger me suspicious and has Gatorguy/Lowell as his top two scum

I think you could be right on ryan, though i am a bit worried that two of the people that are voting for him i think are dodgy.

Though, there's certainly more reasons it seems to vote Ryan than Gatorguy from people's arguements. I'm going to change my vote.

Vote : Ryan

Zero arguments, just Numenorean7 posting in 766 OTHER people’s reasoning for voting me (which is weak at best) Tell me this isn’t SPAG following somebody elses lead? If you don’t believe this is a suspect reason and very possible leading than freakin lynch me as the town doesn’t deserve to win this game. I will answer any questions you have but I’ve done my part in scum hunting, look back and see who hasn’t done ANYTHING. (Lowell, Indy, Klopy) There is NO deadline in this game so quit pushing my lynch SPAG (especially with your ZERO evidence and your obvious following tactics)

[ryan]

Agreeing and coming up with your own conclusions are two different things. So you don't deny that you haven't made a case and are indeed following?

[ryan]

I'd like you to form some of your own opinions without following others. I find it very suspect that you replace in and right away vote Gatorguy because "he's scummy" and admit to not reading the entire thread (just a few pages) and now you aren't coming up with your own opinions and taking others. You've put me at -1 without reading the entire thread, that isn't just scummy, it's just plain dumb.

FoS: SPAG

[ryan]

CKD: What about SPAG's shady participation since he started? (I've outlined in my above posts)

[ryan]

You are an idiot CKD. You just dropped a FoS on Num and than voted me? I asked you a question about another player and you hammer me without answering it? That looks about as scummy as things can be, way to pull a boneheaded hammer and welcome to being suspicious as you should be now.

I will give the mafia credit for leading the lynch on me, kudos to you guys, ya didn't have to waste a nightkill on me to keep me quiet, good job, and you also got lucky with my screwup in Day 1 (lucky is the key word) As for the rest of the townies in this game..... you suck.

[ryan]

Well since I claimed Vanilla Townie twice now what do you think? I did find it humerous that you have ripped me for my vote count messup yet you nearly did the same thing a page ago, very amusing indeed.

[ryan]

Well you'll have more time now AmeliaLi, the hammer just came down on another townie (me)

[ryan]

SPAG: If it's hard to form an opinion right away than WHY VOTE? I went over and over and OVER again my mistake on the lynch of our Doc on Day 1 so I'm not going to get into it again and I do NOT want an apology but seriously, if you are going to play the game or replace in the game READ THE ENTIRE GAME before you start dropping opinions/votes.


*falls back into my grave*

[ryan]

BAH! Go town!

[ryan]

Unvote

[ryan]

I apologize but due to a conversation that I had (I don't remember but apparently I had) with Sir Tornado, I have to withdraw from the game. Sorry Kison but after reading the conversation I had with Sir Tornado I now know more than I should, so I have to withdraw. I'm sorry.

[ryan]

Good to see the town turn around a TERRIBLE start and come up with the win. Nicely done townies (even you kloppy)