Mini 451 - Totally Awesome Mafia, Game Over

[pickemgenius]

Hey man, im going to post some shit later. Rockies vs Redsox game on right now.


go ROX!!

[pickemgenius]

I hate the Rockies

alright enough with that.
And hey, atleast i'm not a Yankee fan I hate them.



You guys voted N-L off basically for obvious newbishness and vote hopping. Genius. Sorry for the sarcasm, but hey.


Off The Mark- You basically insisted that everyone that defended N-L was scum. Genius.

Well, if you've read the only other game I've played here, you are not going to believe a word I say, are you? (I was scum in that game) Well, don't worry, I have no reason to lie this time around.

I don't think I said anything worthy of townie confirmation.

Well, scum haven't piled on to N-L, so either he really is scum, or scum are being very cautious and taking their time.
(or scum are already voting for N-L, but I don't think this is the case, at least not all of em)

Another thing that is influencing this vote is something I am not sure it is cool to discuss. I won't say too much, but just think about the motivation behind post 112.
I think that post is more likely if hjallti is scum.

me-WIFOM

Post subject: 132
OK now I am pretty dang sure I was right about the 2-scum scenario I posted earlier. N-L and hjallti are both guilty, folks.

me- yea... no

Nekka has often looked so scummy that I cannot believe he is actually scum.

me- you said that more then once, and it still doesn't make any/much sense.

If I'm wrong and Nekka is townie, then I know I am going to look very bad.
So then you can lynch me or lynch the guys that agreed with me without saying much else, Lowell and Papaya.

me- WTF! That reads hey N-L is townie, but i'll happily divert myself away from a day two lynch by commenting on two other people who voted with not much reasoning so I can get on them about it day two.

I'm going to try to step into the background for a bit, since it seems my scumhunting is making me appear suspicious to some. Let's see what others have to say.

me- You honestly/really don't need to worry about looking suspicious unless you are scum.

Bobby responding to Mark on N-L comment("

I respect your opinion but I think you are scum" comment. They have no counter-argument for that because it is a dead giveaway.

)

I won't disagree that it's a strange comment, but I don't think it's the hard core solid evidence that you think it is.

I don't think it's hard evidence.

me- THEN WHY THE FUCK DID YOU SAY IT WAS A DEAD GIVEAWAY?

Geez you may as well have voted for him, because this looks equally suspicious. In fact, more so, if he comes up as town.

me- I <3 that part of that post, because I totally agree with you on it.

It is sooo easy for scum to setup scenarios so that it becomes a no-lose situation for them the next day, especially since they already know what the result of today's lynch will be.

me- i <3 that part of that post also.




~N9V~ - WHO???

I agree about you being defensive, and about how N-L isn't a newb town in your eyes, I think that's what you want. Guys,I say we lynch N-L today, find out his role, and go from there.

me- Well you forgot about the ones who haven't been doing alot.

If he comes up town, find out who was attacking him the most, and if scum, find out who was defending him, then started to attack him towards the end of his life. That will help us find scum.

me- I would suggest doing that.

No, cuz the SK is a lone player. That is if there is an SK.

me- I wouldn't doubt if you were the SK.



NabakovNabakov-

I'm going to have to agree with Stewie's reasons 1-4 that Nekka-Lucifer's behavior has been a bit fishy.
His song and dance with OTM (posts 39-44) where N-L decides OTM is mafia for being too townie.
Then he decides he's actually townie. Then he decides that, well shucks, he must be town too as a result (all in under 1 1/2 hours) just seems odd.

Me- No too townie arguement was used. Umm. N-L said

"I think we have come to the impression that we are both townie...."

I get a pretty townie vibe from reading him. He seems to be trying to help the town out, which I could be wrong, but I don't think so right now.

I disagree with the lurker bandwagons=bad thing though.

Post #143 in the game is pure gold IMO.



Stewie - I don't find anything he has done to be really scummy.

Whether or not it's better to lynch SK or mafia is redundant, unless we know who is SK and who is mafia, and we need to decide which one to lynch.
As it stands, I'll conform to lynching anyone who is anti-town.

me-<3 that. QFT



Hjallti - I don't feel him being that defensive, but that's just me. I kind of like him.

The bad thing about day 1 is that all the conversation revolved around Nekka and me, due to OtM pressuring us. In fact, we don't know much about the other 7 alive anyway.

me- QFT



bobbyplump- You really don't say alot, until post #215, which OTM likes.

Well, right now there are 6 people not voting for N-L:

Me, N-L himself, Aimee, THS, Nabakov, and Lowell.

I'm not switching my vote for aformentioned reasons. NL can't lynch himself. Aimee and THS are gone.

That leaves Nabakov and Lowell as the two people who can end this thing.
I'm not trying to push the lynch of a townie, but if it's inevitable, let's not waste another 9 pages (and god knows how many real life days).

me- look at that wording, i'm not trying to push the lynch of a townie. Umm, sounds like he knew N-L was a townie.

My first thought was indeed SK. Now who would that be?

me- Uhh, maybe you. (moreso then ~N9V~)
:extension: You want to go after the SK first, which makes me think of you as scum a little bit.


CrashTextDummie - Umm WHO?



Aimee - You were pretty non existant Day 1.

You want to go after mafia first instead of the SK.


Seriously no read on the last two.


So overall

OTM- You could very well be scum. I also get a town vibe in that you are actually looking for scum, you just post an asswad(which is good) so I get more from you then others.

~N9V~- Unless I see improvment you're in the middle.

NN- I feel really pretty good about ATM.

Stewie- I feel is alright ATM.

HJ- I feel is town. I honestly believe all mistakes were noob mistakes.

BP- I get an anti-town feel from you. SK or Mafia.


CTD- umm. who again?

Aimee- Need more in the middle.







If anybody want's clarification or whatever ask it. I'll be more then happy to reanalyze.

[pickemgenius]

But if we do lynch mafia today, both the mafia and the SK will still be able to make a kill tonight.

If we kill the SK today, only one townie will die tonight.

What are the win scenarios with an SK?

That sounds like you want to lynch the SK first.

[pickemgenius]

We'll never know if you actually meant that, or if you were just playing devil's advocate.
I saw both sides after rereading that before I posted, and thought i'd bring it up to see what you would do.

[pickemgenius]

I. Also, to I think it was pickem, you beleive I'm the SK, because I can pick out their kill from a vig or a mafia? That is some pretty shit-logic.

Where did I say it was because you can pick out the kill from a vig or mafia?

[pickemgenius]

Oh yeah before I forget I will be gone fron June 20th-26th.
Might be leaving tomorrow not sure yet.

I should have IE, but not alot of time to post, so just giving you all a heads up.


Going to watch the Yankees Vs. Rockies series, one both me and the mod can agree the Rockies should win...

[pickemgenius]

This is the prototype of a lazy scum-analysis, as it steps on as few toes as possible and leaves as little information to trace back as possible.

Not much to go on when everyone basically

ONLY

goes after N-L all of day 1, so very little is with me being lazy.

We don't have alot to reference back to in this game, very little information was attained on day 1, i'm sorry my summary wasn't up to your standards.

[pickemgenius]

Alrighty, here is a quote from somebody.

pickemgenius: Terse, but pretty solid. Little to say, but doesn't need to say that much. kind of a low post count, and not too many words, but he does pop in now and again.

that basically describes me.

[pickemgenius]

Having CTD come out and post when he has three or four votes against him does not make him any less suspicious to me.

If I were scum

, I'd come out of the woodwork too in that situation.

WIFOM.

[pickemgenius]

CTD analysis

-good

HJ asks some questions

Set-up somewhat discussed.

HJ asks more questions.

Don't like post 378

N-N posts suspicions on that post.

Stewie unvotes

~N9V~ says

If you don't like answers, then don't ask questions.

- ewww.

Stewie doesn't like that, FOS, could be vote on ~N9V~

~N9V~ vote reeks of OMGUS. also

A) It wasn't a gut feeling. I thought he was scum.

-that quote rubs me the wrong way.

Stewie reapplies vote on ~N9V~

OTM doesn't like vote on N-N

N-N votes ~N9V~ explains himself very well.

~N9V~ claims vig.

- ?????

CTD next posts says he is the lynch for today, asks why he said

Shit, looks like mafia and SK. Vote A Papaya You seem over sincere about the lose.

- I agree with this.

Stewie agrees ~N9V~ is the lynch for today thinks he is the sk claiming vig.

- I again think this is good, if we get rid of one anti-town killing party, then it's alot better.

BP asks if ~N9V~ considered killing anyone else, unvotes CTD.

~N9V~ says it was OTM or Lowell, says to CTD [quote="~N9V~] because if i said it was undoubtly a vig, then I would be the play for the night, because the scum would catch on.[/quote]

- if you were the SK undoubtedly I would think it would be stupid for mafia not to kill you that night.

OTM's post 395 is good, asks ~N9V~ questions

So you are saying that you are the vig, but you deliberately tried to mislead the town into thinking it was mafia + SK? (referring to the statement CTD quoted) That seems crazy. Please explain why you would do that.

-word.

~N9V~ says pretty much, and he already explained it.

-no

OTM says that doesn't explain it.

Stewie asks ~N9V~ why he chose to kill N1, agrees with OTM.

-still no answer on that question.

CTD analysis on 4 players, says he is 99% ~N9V~ is the sk.

Hj wants answers.

CTD says Day 1 was a playstlye experiment.

- I understand completely.

OTM answers CTD questions.

~N9V~ responds to Hj

Hj says his explanation is false basically.

bp says ~N9V~ needs to answer why he chose to kill at all.

- still.....

Stewie responds to CTD analysis.

OTM builds a case against Stewie

bp wonders

is it worth possibly killing a Vig in order to possibly kill a serial killer.

also says we should give ~N9v~ a pass today. Says mafia will go after him tonight anyway.

-no, if we are sure that we can get rid of one anti-town party, then we need to take advantage of it.

N-N says it isn't likely he is the/a vig.

OTM somewhat agrees with bp, says if we leave ~N9V~ alive the town should direct his kill.

Stewie says idea is bad.

OTM explains, says we can't affor another mislynch (obv.) says if we have a good lead on the SK, we should for sure go through with that.

-yes

Stewie revotes ~N9V~.

- now at L-1.

I think just a bit more is needed before his lynch, he is for sure the play for today IMO, unless I see something wickedly protown(and soon) then I will hammer him.


The - are me talking, ask if anything is unclear, or if you have any direct questions you want me to answer, then feel free to ask, and I'll answer them.

[pickemgenius]

I really don't like the idea of leaving NV alive with assignments on who to kill. It seems like it would be incredibly easy for an SK to masqurade as a vig and keep the wool pulled over until it's too late.

IF

we were to do this, it would be absolutely essential that our cop investigates him to ensure he's really a vig, but that would leave the cop fully exposed. It seems like a lose-lose to me.

If he is a SK, most have investigation immunity, or nightkill immunity, so a cop investigation wouldn't do much to clear him.

[pickemgenius]

Atleast I found scum with my first ever cop investigation.

Vote: BobbyPlump

DIESUCKDIE YOU SCUM!!!!


Yes I now I am sane also, Papaya investigated Hj Night 1 and got an innocent, and that should explain mine/Papayas different feelings toward Hj on Day 2 aswell.

[pickemgenius]

I'd really like to vote BP right now, but I'm also keeping in mind that this could just be a ploy. If this setup has three mafia, then we're lynch-or-lose. (And we're still in a dangerous spot if there's only 2) Sorry for being paranoid here Pickem, but I'd like to leave things open to a counterclaim/discussion before I vote.

If you aren't a filthy liar, Good Job on catching scum!

1. There is not a factually based counterclaim out there, my weird behavior towards hjalti Day 2 was justified because I(Papaya) got an innocent reading upon investigation.

2. Yes,and thanks. Rereads are useful for finding scum, I reread BP's posts first, because my analysis upon replacing said BP was anti-town, so I naturally investigated him upon another reread.

[pickemgenius]

He's lying. And tottally awesome townies don't lie. Lynch him...and then his scum buddy Nabakov.

Look back and tell me where I've been anti-town.

1. I'm a Totally Awesome Cop, not a totally awesome townie.
2. Why the hell say NabNab is scum?
3.

I'm not trying to push the lynch of a townie, but if it's inevitable, let's not waste another 9 pages (and god knows how many real life days).

Also a look back at your posts, most of them, frankly, don't say much at all, they are really fucking uninformative, and unhelpful, and almost lurking-like.

4. Nice OMGUS
5. Who is(are) your other partner(partners)?

[pickemgenius]

Aimee, I know I am

town

scum. So why would an uncounterclaimed

claimed

cop say that I wasn't town? That makes

no

sense!!! Why wouldn't I vote for someone saying that I am something I am

I'm not

?!

kthxfixed.


I agree we need more talky-talky though.

[pickemgenius]

Aimee, I know I am

town

scum. So why would an uncounterclaimed

claimed

cop say that I wasn't town? That makes

no

sense!!! Why wouldn't I vote for someone saying that I am something I am

I'm not

?!

kthxfixed.


I agree we need more talky-talky though.

Good plan, pickem. When you don't have anything to counter an argument, make fun of it.

It's better then lying about being town.

[pickemgenius]

It's better then lying about being town.

I wouldn't know...I don't do either.

Yes. You do. You are guilty. End of Story.

[pickemgenius]

totally ignore those top 2 quote tage, they are meaningless.

[pickemgenius]

I think pickem is acting much more like a real cop than a scum-playing-cop. He acts like he has nothing to prove.

Yes.
I have 0% to prove, i'm being stupid on purpose right now, waiting for the others to chime in, basically the recent talk between me and BP is filler, until that happens.

[pickemgenius]

But that's just my way of looking at it, and Pickem seems to have more of an *ahem* "direct" playstyle than I do, so it makes sense that he fits your model better.

I think i'm just happy, and there isn't a really good reason to not just come out with a guilty claim if you are a cop.

[pickemgenius]

guilty result***

[pickemgenius]

Defense of N-L
Attacking OTM for going after N-L

FoS: bobbyblump

Uh...Ok? Does that have a reason behind it?

- Pretty defensive for it noly being an FOS.

That leaves Nabakov and Lowell as the two people who can end this thing. I'm not trying to push the lynch of a townie, but if it's inevitable, let's not waste another 9 pages (and god knows how many real life days).

Going after "lurkers" (Aimee), while being a lurker, and posting relatively

ZERO

content throughout the Day(s)
Uses craplogic to go after Aimee Day 2
Agrees with OTM about ~N9V~ then votes him later in that same RL day and says

Having said that, I am going to stick to my vote from yesterday. If you can convince me otherwise, do so.

Vote: Off the Mark

More lurker voting Day 2 (CTD) while he in fact has been basically lurking himself.
In fact he voted CTD June 19, and posted

ZERO

content since the 14th, and even it is a stretch to call what he did on the 14th. as actual content.

[pickemgenius]

EBWOP: This stuck out as a

HUGE

thing in my analysis

That leaves Nabakov and Lowell as the two people who can end this thing.

I'm not trying to push the lynch of a townie,

but if it's inevitable, let's not waste another 9 pages (and god knows how many real life days).

[pickemgenius]

FUCK YEAH I HAVE GOOD NEWS

VOTE: STEWIE

FOR REASONS LISTED

Reasons why I chose Stewie:

I suggest that we lynch the next person who uses a baseball analogy.

I think that's a home run idea, Stewie.

THAT is the ONLY interaction bewteen BP towards Stewie AT ALL THROUGHOUT BOTH DAYS, that's what spurred me to look at Stewie first off.


Now for Stewie:

Uses unconclusive reasons to vote N-L to start, then pretty much coasts on the wagon.

FOS: bobbyplump for the whole "hey, the day was long, so Aimee might be scum" theory. Even if the mod was waiting for Aimee, he could have been waiting for a different kind of choice

A very weak attack, and first mention of BP THE WHOLE GAME

I'm getting scummy vibes from Off the Mark Pickemgenius (however not his replacee) and bobbyplump

Again, very little interaction between him and BP.

Right, but could you please post the analysis you did that led you to investigate bobby? Right now it's your word against his. I'm leaning towards believing your word, and it would help a lot if you'd actually post the analysis

Irony right? Here I am posting analysis for the guilty result on you, as for the comment, now you are just waiting to go into bussing mode.

[pickemgenius]

Unvote: a papaya; vote: Nekka-Lucifer

Mainly because:

1. I don't understand why he took his vote off "Off the Mark."
2. I don't understand why he's voting me now ("longest post ever done"? "he doesn't need to work anything out"?)
3. He hasn't explained why he cares so much about people who are not voting. His explanation was "Just asking." We know that, but

why

are you asking?
4. Already voted three different people.
5. I don't think there's any better reasons to vote for anyone else right now, and I think it's time for the game to start moving somewhere.

is that really conclusive evidence? I don't just want to lynch someone based off the argument "He's the best we've got".

No, it's not conclusive.

It doesn't have to end in a lynch, but it's a good place to start since there's nothing better. What do you suggest we do?

Also the next times you mention Nekka is for the elipsis, then to define WIFOM, then to ask for a claim. Sounds like coasting.

[pickemgenius]

As for your "analysis"

First you say that there was only one interaction between me and bp, then you post three others. Sure, they weren't pretty strong, but can you find many interactions I had with players other than NL? Also, you say my reasons for voting NL were inconclusive? WTF? Quote them and explain how they were inconclusive. You'll have trouble because what do you know, they were not. The guy was votehopping (very scummy) and when asked about it and other things he never really answered (avoiding questions is also very scummy). How is that inconclusive? The fact that I arrived at the wrong conclusion does not mean it wasn't the best conclusion possible with the information available at the time.

BP mentioned you once, that's

his

only interaction with you.

You

weakly attacked him on Day 2, and you were ready to go into bus mode on Day 3

[pickemgenius]

A paranoid gun shop owner? In a mini normal? Doubtful.

QFT

[pickemgenius]

Aimee=Innocent.

We

have

to no lynch today, knowing we have a doctor (since nobody died) then they protect me again tonight, I get another result, game over, town win, nuff said.

Vote: No lynch

[pickemgenius]

I doubt it A GF(investigation immune)+2 goons+SK is wickedly unbalanced IMO.

[pickemgenius]

Unvote:

Vote: NabNab.

I IS NO FUCKIN AROUNDZ.

P.S.

I would have investigated you anyway at Night.

[pickemgenius]

Notice that, in my opening paragraph, I didn't add the qualifier "so one of them must be our scum!" I firmly beleive that at least one of them (Stewie)

is

scum, but that does not absolve OTM. Something else that doesn't absolve OTM, being incredibly vocal in lynching a townie; WIFOM is a double edged sword. Another thing that doesn't absolve OTM, telling us that he was uncertain about lynching N-L

after

we had lynched him. Remember that the man behind the curtain and the burning face were one and the same. If the game is still on and we're both alive, I might just have some strong words for OTM on D4. If the game is over and we won, yes I will be accepting pats on the back for hammering both scum. (If we lost, then I'm very very sorry).



Oh yeah,

Hammah!!

I would have investigated you because

1. It sounds like you want to give yourself an award fo hammering two scum
2. Trying to direct the cop.


FTR-(IMO)


Aimee=Doctor
OTM-Townie.

[pickemgenius]

^^ Would have gone with that too. You have no idea how many times a scum brought up killing Aimee, it just never got done (and it was usually my fault).

Either way,

Would

one

of those lazy bastards just hammer already!?"

Jesus!

I wouldn't have NK'ed Aimee either.

Heck, I used an investigation on her.

[pickemgenius]

Exactly

We always thought we could just play her off as scummy for lurking and get a lynch out of it, but "things" came up you lucky bastard.

My primary goal after you claimed cop (since I couldn't kill you) was to always keep somebody around for you to be suspicious of other than me. That's why I targeted you last night. If there wasn't a doc, cool. If there was, then there would be two people other than me and you, and only one would be an innocent. I was hoping nobody would pick up on even town + no lynch= free investigation. If I NK'd Aimee or OTM, it was a guessing game, if I killed the person you didn't investigate, I was screwed (FTR, it probably would have been OTM. I was going for a fake-out there)

To summarize, I suck at night tactics.

Yeah, basically last night I just investigated somebody I was FOR SURE not going to get Nk'ed, not neccessarily scummy.

[pickemgenius]

Oh yeah, I just remebered another reason I would have investigated you

3. I was wondering how the hell you NEVER got NK'ed.



Post #450 for me. YAY!

[pickemgenius]

Pickem, should we have a victory dance for the town?

/victory dance
Yay!

[pickemgenius]

Stewie mentioned killing Aimee on Night 2, and me and NN thought Hijalti instead. That decision cost us the game. Well played, town...especially you, pickem. And you, OTM. How you avoided getting lynched I'll never know.

I probably shouldn't have been so dickish with my cop results.

[pickemgenius]

If Pickem would have investigated OTM he would have gotten guilty. Massclaim would have broke him though.

Setup was 5 Vanilla, Doc, Cop, 3 Vanilla Mafia, SK, and Survivor/Reviver. Any questions?

Interesting

MVP:Pickem

Yay!!

[pickemgenius]

Wait? Survivor comes up guilty?

Dammit Pickem, if only you had investigated OTM instead.

Pffffft.

[pickemgenius]

Great game pickem, a pity that NabakovNabakov claimed before the real conclusion of the game.

And here are some more newbie questions?

May also call myself a winner. I mean as a townie you don't need to survive to win with town do you?

By the way I think can I be proud of being lynched as ordinary awesome townie on day 2... it is like scum is afraid of me

and of course the most important question: Did I play well? (At least better than N-L, but that might be a bad comparison)

1. YES YOU WIN!!!!! CONGRATS!!!!

YES BEING NK'ED IS TOTAL RESPECT FROM TEH MAFIAZ, that or I really obviously breadcrumbed an innocent result on you (as CTD said earlier) EITHER WAY THEY DIDN'T WANT TO FEEL YOUR WRATH.

3. I thought you played fine, I would say Day 2 was probably better then your day 1, but that just means you picked up more stuff as it went along.