Anyways, Adel took the vote I originally wanted to cast since Meme is the only player I recognized in the game to begin with.
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Originally Guardian voted for Streeflo .. then he posted the above. Maybe it was a mistake, maybe it was planned to help him later in the game, who knows .. but the above post includes my reasoning.Guardian wrote:Coultn't sleep at all, so I thought I'd post. Often, ChaosOmega, new scum will just vote without saying anything, like you did. People might get suspicious of you for that (I am a wee bit); I think it's better to just say that your vote is random in the future so people don't have a reason to jump on. My 1/50 of a dollar.
Guardian wrote:YogurtBandit, by yours, do you mean ChaosOmega's? Or do you mean Ertomachia's vote on ChaosOmega?
Nanook, the logic "if you are random voting, then say so" can most definitely be applied to Streeflo, but I did mean for it to apply to ChaosOmega's posts at the time.
I'm far from desperate Nano .. Don't have a worry in the world right now. The vote I've placed is possibly in the right place for right now .. I'd say more, but I'm not too sure now is the right time. I think some know what I'm talking about .. although maybe not .. I'm even a bit confused at all the logic of it myself, which is why I can't decide between streeflo or guardian, but for now guardian will keep my vote.Nanosauromo wrote:Seems like you're getting a bit desperate.NanookTheWolf wrote:Guardian wrote:YogurtBandit, by yours, do you mean ChaosOmega's? Or do you mean Ertomachia's vote on ChaosOmega?
Nanook, the logic "if you are random voting, then say so" can most definitely be applied to Streeflo, but I did mean for it to apply to ChaosOmega's posts at the time.Unvote: Streeflo, Vote: Guardian... Better?
I dunno about the rest of you, but so far Nanook seems like the scummiest player in the game.
Originally, I thought to myself that Guardian was completely foolish for doing such a thing on the first page of this game .. I don't know why people think it's a great Idea to claim something so early on, especially the supposed 'cop'.Guardian wrote:Coultn't sleep at all, so I thought I'd post.Often, ChaosOmega, new scum will just vote without saying anything, like you did.People might get suspicious of you for that (I am a wee bit); I think it's better to just say that your vote is random in the future so people don't have a reason to jump on. My 1/50 of a dollar.
Call it what you'd like, but I'm not taking back what I had said. I just want you to know that not all "WIFOM" is a scum tell, just so you know. I didn't come out of no where and say that, it was reiterating Guardian's words saying that town wouldn't point that out.Adel wrote:NanookTheWolf in post 78 wrote:I never used the exact words "If I were mafia" just so you know. The lines you refer to are more of a reiteration of what Guardian said, but coming from me.So if you were scum you wouldn't out the cop, you would wait until night to wack him. That is the counter-factual I was referring to. It does meet the common definition of WIFOM.NanookTheWolf in post 71 wrote:I made a mistake by exposing the cop, but honestly it's not something that I would do as scum, but instead keep to myself until the night hit.
DogMom wrote:So, Nanook, exactlywhydid you "out" Guardian, anyway?
I exposed him basically b/c I had already made an ass of myself .. I thought others were onto the post as well for whatever reason. I was wrong and dumb in making the move that I had. I thought I already went through all of this with everyone ..NanookTheWolf wrote:Unvote: Guardian
What's with the attack there Adel? First off just let me state that I don't care if you're a newbie or not .. It's not an excuse for ever being scummy as you put it. My vote was more out of confusion then it was tactful, and why do claim being scummy?
I voted for Guardian, b/c I thought Meme saw the same thing I did, and possibly was counter-claiming Guardian for it. Hence why I said .. You take your route, and I'll take mine bit. At the time I whole heartedly believed Guardian's role claim and thought he was trying to finger Streeflo as scum, obviously I was wrong and before it started becoming even more confusion placed on myself I figured I'd state the facts.
As to Guardian, Posting hidden clues in posts like that will grasp my attention .. not always, but some of the time yes. It's hard for me to keep my mouth shut on something like that, b/c I get the feeling that I'm not the only one who'd seen it which in this particular game is a bad thing. It's not a route that I personally would take for this reasoning. As you can see I totally blew your cover so to speak, yet at the same time if you are really the cop, then the doc knows whose best to protect tonight.
I went back on my theory regarding Meme's possible counter claim due to her just now unvoting.
Any of this making sense?
As for the rusty comment .. do you even know what it refers to Adel, or as to why Meme stated it. Please don't insult my playing skills, b/c I'll tell you now that, although usually fun, mafia is a game that practically anybody could get good at if the time is applied. I unfortunately play so as I have something else to do in my humbug life that is somewhat amusing.
I'm only defensive about your comments Adel b/c I'm not entirely sure why they were made or exactly what they prove. I made a mistake by exposing the cop, but honestly it's not something that I would do as scum, but instead keep to myself until the night hit. Maybe you should blame Guardian for outing himself, I just happened to catch on to it is all.
Explain the doggedness bit to me, I'm a bit slow.Guardian wrote:Could nanos possibly be a lyncher?? I don't think so, from post one... I don't understand the doggedness, though, with good reason to believe Nanook is town... Anyways, in case there was any doubt as to whether I was breadcrumbing:
Guardian, in his first post, wrote:Comeonpeople, let's find the scum.
Guardian, in a later post, wrote:but I did mean for it to apply toChaosOmega'sposts at the time.And for those unfamiliar with breadcrumbing, it is a tactic power roles can use that allows for them to claim more convincingly later in the game, by showing the other players that they are not just scum fakeclaiming by making up the role on the spot. In fairness, I suppose scum could theoretically breadcrumb a fake claim from the beginning of the game... I haven't read a game where that happened, but like I said I guess it could be done.Guardian, immediately before he was outed, wrote:Adel, Streeflo, YB, and MeMe are all attractive targets at this point.vote: YBfor thecuriousOmegapush and for associating with me.
So you believe that either Guardian or I are scum? Do you think it be possible that we're both town?DogMom wrote:Sorry - I wasn't clear. IGuardian wrote: An interesting thing that I note is that DogMom also chastised me about this, and then said that she couldn't see Nanook-scum or Guardian-scum.
meantthat I couldn't see you two as scumbuddies, doing this as a concerted / coordinated effort.
Jury's still out on which one of you I think is scummier. I'm thinking Nanook, but only because I'm inclined to believe your claim...FOR NOW.
But YB has a lot of 'splainin to do, so I'm going to set aside the "Guardian / Nanook" thing for now.
... And this makes you a sad Puss n' Boots? If so, why?Nekka-Lucifer wrote:One FINALDIPEEDAPEEDOSEY one... (lol) I don't see any hidden Docs
Found it .. I think. My point isn't really relevant in this case like I thought it would be. I'm off to wipe the gunk out of my eyes (Don't intend to gross anyone out or anything,Guardian wrote:A mafia roleblocker would definitely hamper us directing the actions of the potential doc and cops, but how would a mafia roleblocker block a potential vig whose theoretical identity is unknown? Maybe it is you who knows something we don't?Adel wrote:That you didn't mention the possibility of there being a mafia roleblocker, the biggest hole in my plan, suggests that:
1. you are mafia and you know that there is a roleblocker
or
2. you are mafia and since there isn't a roleblocker you didn't think of the possibility.
You are wise enough in the ways of mafia to know of that possibility. I was actually worried that another player would point out that hole in my plan before you had a chance to respond.
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I am so happy with my vote now.
Streeflo wrote:I get somewhat suspicious of someone says they are willing to lynch for the good of the town too, but I don't think it's necessarily a scumtell. Scumplayers say they are a bad lynch too.Guardian wrote: To be honest, his was not the most convincing or direct claim I have ever seen, and like I said (and maybe this is a bad read on my part, as I have not had it tested yet) I always feel that someone is scummy if they say that they are completely willing to get lynched or killed for the good of the cause - especially if that person is a power role. I think town players should always say that they are a bad lynch, as it is, again in my opinion, almost always better for the town to give up on lynching a scummy townie in favor of trying to find scum.
I think YogurtBandit's reactions are more genuine, but you seem to be more experienced and your breadcrumbing supports that.
Which brings me into MeMe's latest post, which I like a lot.Of course, up comes the inevitable question of why?MeMe wrote:If I had to choose between the two....Hey! Idon'thave to choose between the two!
vote: Nekka-Lucifer
I know I said I was going to bed, but I just couldn't resist this one ..MeMe wrote:*sigh*
Thank you for answering still though ..DogMom wrote:Addressing this, since it's come up twice.Guardian wrote: DogMom, you haven't posted, so maybe you would have already as soon as you get back, but I would definitely like you to answer Nanook's question, and not let it get lost in the clutter.
I don't have internet access in the evenings during the weekdays, so I won't be doing any posts after about 5pm each day. I did address it when I came across it this morning.
I too can sympathize with NL due to me not being able to post yesterday as much as I wanted and finding myself play catch up on like 3 pages this early early AM. (Got a bit intoxicated last night)DogMom wrote:Probably. I've seen the "oh, replacements are usually bored town" argument before, and I just can't buy it. I've seen both scum and town ask for replacements. I can sympathize with him, too - it's tough to keep up with this game if you don't have 24/7 access.Erotomachia wrote:This sort of makes me think that Nekka-Lucifer is just a bored townie, not scum. Or is wrong to draw conclusions from players asking for replacements?
I am here .. I've only really been able to get a quick skim over the thread and with there being so much info out there, you guys will have to wait until I'm off from work which is around 5pm EsT ..Adel wrote:Adel wrote:Nanook: Would you be willing to weigh in on all of this? We haven't heard much from you other than the cop stuff.Nanook?Are you out there?
What are you sorry for .. You stated the what you see as truth? I will argue that I find you finger pointing as a bit of a way out though.Adel wrote:What is this? Page 2? Put it into the contest of my four(!) pages of writing so far in this game. Creating noise is something I am very guilty of. Being scum isn't.It isn't like I outed a power role or something (sorry Nanook) I just choose poor words.See Hanlon's razor.
I didn't take offense to the comment Adel, I just suggested that you were using that remark as a defense as to why you're not acting scummy .. Has nothing to do with my personal feelings, Just an observation.Adel wrote:Dog_mom: the quote is original, I just put it in a box to offset it from everything else.
Nanook: I was just being polite. You've taken enough grief for that already, and I didn't want to cause you more.
I'm going to do something with my vote which I thought I already had, but for whatever reason the post isn't there .. hmm.Nanosauromo wrote:EBWODP: Arg, bloody quote tags!
dogmom wrote: then pops in to change his vote, with virtually no input.
Okay, I'll explain my actions then.
In the beginning, Nanookthewolf simply seemed scummy because he voted along with Gaurdian, following Gaurdian's "logic" but not explaining what this "logic" was. For a while, he seemed like the scummiest guy around, and thus I kept my vote on him.
But then Adel came along. His catch-22 of"Do something scummy or I will be forced to think you are scum."tipped off my scum detector. He now seemed more scummy than Nanook. He was now my prime candidate for a lynch. His pressuring of people to vote quickly reinforced my belief.
With that said, Theo, can we get a vote count?
yeh sure, give me ten mins. I deleted your previous duplicated post
This post was only one day prior to the one where you unvoted ...Nanosauromo wrote:Gaurdian's leaning towards scum, due to the scummy Nanook following his lead. I'm not familiar with breadcrumbing, but it seems like he started doing it way too early.
As for Yogurt (one of my favorite words, BTW), I haven't formed a clear opinion on him yet.
You stated a day earlier the following ...Nanosauromo wrote:I kept my vote on you because nobody was acting particularly scummy;you were simply the least non-scummy player (If that makes any sense).There was no-one to change to, so I kept it on you. By the time Adel's scumminess was accumulating, any negative opinions I had about you had mostly withered away. Thus, the change.
So what you're trying to say is that you still think I'm scummy, but less then that of Adel? Is that basically it, cause if it is then I don't know why the hell I put any effort towards this argument.Nanosauromo wrote:Gaurdian's leaning towards scum,due to the scummy Nanook following his lead.I'm not familiar with breadcrumbing, but it seems like he started doing it way too early.
As for Yogurt (one of my favorite words, BTW), I haven't formed a clear opinion on him yet.
I think I've made a pretty good stand on my thoughts in this game and have resumed a vote on the most likely scum IMO player ..adel wrote:I would like to see Dog_mom and Nanook take serious stands for and against a couple of people.
This states it all ... I may be putting a scummy to some stamp on my back, but I don't have any issues with Meme 'pushing' BM the way she is. The dude shouldn't have replaced in the game when he's got exams coming up, and he has spent quite a bit of time responding to Meme's points trying to not look scummy. I'm not going to vote for him today as I'd like to see what he's got to say tomorrow and I'm keeping my vote on Nano more then likely up to deadline.Adel wrote:I find it odd that BM has the time to defend himself, post links, scan the thread often enough to reply to MeMe, ect... while he still doesn't have time to post an analysis of the game. That shows the existence of some free time. Also, unless I'm mistaken, exams are scheduled out pretty far in advance. Why replace into a game that is kick'n with a dealine during exam week?
I don't think that that villifies you Guardian. Although I may have thoughts of you being a cop more so then YB at this point, I still have some slight suspicions of you ..Guardian wrote:I am somewhat vilified in that I defended the initial attack on BM; his later actions looked so scummy though, so maybe he would have been lynched today and we are better off.
That was my take on it to say the least .. however, YB sees it differently?YagamiLight wrote:I don't see this a s WIFOM, just seems to me he hopes we don't lynch him uintil after he gets back so he can defend himself.YogurtBandit wrote:I think that says it loud and clear.NanookTheWolf wrote:What part of this is wifom? .. I think I'm still confused to what exactly the definition of wifom is .. hmm.YogurtBandit wrote:Adel wrote:no sense of humor with those two.
Have a good weekend everyone,hopefully you won't lynch me so I'll have a chance to continue this on Monday.
^^^WIFOM.
The above statement was made assuming that Adel shows up as scum today .. in that case there wouldn't be a possibility of being an insane cop in Guardian's case.Jalyn wrote:Huh. Is it just me or does this post completely assume the result of lynching Adel? Gaurdian won't know his sanity because he could still be Sane or Paranoid - no chance of Insane, Nanook?Nanook wrote: Adel is lynched today it won't prove either of our cop's sanity btw .. Unless of course Guardian investigates a pro-town role that gets killed tonight .. Otherwise if he gets another guilty tonight it could mean he's either sane or paranoid.
The opening post appears to make me think that the mafia shoot their targets .. as for the strangling (weird still for a vig), but doesn't matter because Adel killed BM which is considered a shooting. I think he's making a gambit here, and why was sk ruled out exactly? I've modded games with an sk and 3 mafia, and they've played out fine IMO.theopor_COD wrote:Theoville's town mayor Theo leapt out of bed, the sound of the front door swinging open, clutching his face he gasped for breath, seconds later the shots pierced his forehead. The killers grinning had executed their first plan of total domination for the tiny place by the sea. It wasn't long before the population of now twelve heard about the murder, anger rose with retribution sought, 3 looked overly sheepish within the crowd but confident of their plans for total domination of the peaceful seaside hamlet.
No vig to be found here .. Try againMeMe wrote:Chaos, Jalyn, Nanook -- please say whether or not you claim to be vigilante.
Why?adel wrote:Nanook is now my second choice for lynch *cough*vigkill*cough*, after CO
Considering that the only letter capitalized in this message is N .. I'd put my money on it being geared at me.Adel wrote:crap.
"fwr. orgNmrglNn bSge ghNofgrkyboiegf Ntaf geNNgtnNk"
also contains "Streeflo"
I take back what I said earlier... let me work on this a little longer. I'll post what I get, and I'll work quickly to beat Theo.