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I just can't put that much importance on what could very well be just a simple confusion over the number of scum. It's not that big of a deal, and I don't like Peter and CTD's reaction to it. I also am worried by CTD's pressure for a claim. It is not necessarily the right thing to do.
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Wow, CTD, over-react much? You want fresh independent analysis? Here, it is: I don't like your push for this lynch of VRK one bit.
Yes, you discovered the whopping inconsistency that VRK once said there were three scum, and then another time said there might be four. Whoop-de-doo! He must be scum!
Sorry, it seems like you and Peter are pushingveryhard for this lynch based on the flimsiest of evidence.-
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No problem.
1) I felt that the amount of suspicion leveled at VRK was inconsistent with the seriousness of his mistake. I actually still don't understand why it was such a big deal.
2) Seeing Peter Venkman, who was the voice of reason throughout the first 18 pages, suddenly glom onto this trivial matter as if it was the scumtell of all time really raised my hackles.
3) This sentence:
was odd. We had a deadline fast approaching, there was no danger thatIt's clearly better in this situation to lynch someone, so please get your act together, town.someonewasn't going to be lynched. Why was CTD so anxious for everyone to jump on the VRK wagon? To lessen the importance of his vote? Maybe.-
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I have to admit that a small part of my vote on CTD, with associated comments, was an attempt to see how long pickem's vote would stay on VRK if given an out.
I still am suspicious of CTD and Peter's motivation. I disagree with some of the reasoning behind their votes on VRK. But I have to admit they might be correct.
I am more troubled by pickem. His vote on VRK seemed forced since the tide was so strong toward a VRK deadline lynch and he abandoned it at the first opportunity.
Unvote. Vote pickemgenius
If either pickem or VRK turns out to be town, my eye will turn toward the CTD/Peter contingent-
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So that he can influence the lynch of a townie and then point back and say "Well scum wouldPeter Venkman wrote: Please outline why a scum player would take a strong, outspoken and aggressive stance towards a player heknows to be townduring day one.
-Peterneverdo that!"?
You're straying into WIFOM territory there.-
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Sorry, I appreciate the three of you trying to shift the focus onto Peter, but you honestly couldn't be more transparent. When there are three players acting in concert throughout 23 pages, it makes outing you pretty easy.
I am convinced I've chosen the right group as scum. If we lynch any of the mustafa/VRK/pickem group, I am fine with that.-
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I am not trying to stay off the radar. I am following your discussion with Peter avidly, but I don't think it's getting us anywhere at the moment.
Lately I have been trying to examine the situation if everyone involved in the Scumcount/WIFOM controversy is pro-town, which I am beginning to think is a possibility. The scum can just sit back and let VRK/Peter/CTD/PEG fight over minutiae while they lie unmolested. Is it absolutely necessary that one of these camps is scum?
It is strange however that VRK, PEG, and mustafa have been so closely aligned throughout the game. And Peter's argument definitely puts him out on the limb. If any of the V/P/M group comes up town he is almost certain to be lynched the next day.
It is a tough decision. All I can do is vote the camp that seems to offer the most logical option, and right now that seems to be Peter and CTD.
I still have not received any response from Thesp, when I asked for some context for his wild pronouncements of guilt/ innocence. Any progress on that front, Thesp?-
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Totally understandable. It's tricksy at best. But the fact is that pickem responded the way I thought he would. Of course you have only my word on that, which is worth nothing in this game. *shrugs*I'm not sure I buy your 'I wanted to see how long pick would vote VRK given an out' stance.
I have also stated that that wasn't the entire reason behind that vote. I was and am still concerned that CTD and Peter were making a mountian out of a molehill, it's just that Peter's further arguments made more sense to me.-
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Hmmm, CrashTextDummy finds a tiny inconsistency and tries blowing it up into major thing, where have we seen this behavior before? Oh yes, when we lynched VRK, a TOWNIE over nothing!
"Explain or die", nice touch!
Hey Paradox, why the FoS? A little explanation might help others get suspicious too. As it is, it just make me the tiniest bit suspicious of you!-
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Interesting. Perhaps I was wrong about PV and CTD. You three certainly are throwing a nice little blanket of suspicion on me. Let's look at the stated reasons. Umm, Paradox doesn't give one. Neither does gorckat, interesting. And I am rubbing Occult 'the wrong way".
Forgive me if I don't bother to defend myself from these "suspicions".-
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I precisely laid out in those posts why I reached each conclusion. As far as I am aware, changing your mind is not uncommon and is allowed in this game.
My second paragraph in the last post you quoted is looking more likely by the minute
You, Paradoxomie, and Occult laid pretty low during that discussion. But the three of you are coming out guns blazing here on Day Two.me wrote:Lately I have been trying to examine the situation if everyone involved in the Scumcount/WIFOM controversy is pro-town, which I am beginning to think is a possibility. The scum can just sit back and let VRK/Peter/CTD/PEG fight over minutiae while they lie unmolested. Is it absolutely necessary that one of these camps is scum?-
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Hello folks, I made it safely back to civilization.
Let me start out by saying I am not at all pleased with those players that decided to start throwing suspicion at me within mere hours of my posting that I was going to be gone for 4-5 days. way to go after the person you know won;t be arounfd to defend himself. Peter Venkman, Thesp, and Occult were absolutely blatant about it.
I am reinstating my vote on Thesp. FOS's at Occult and Peter
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Hysteria might be a little blunt, but it is possible that I over-reacted. I still think Peter and CTD need to be considered suspect because of the VRK lynch and I am deeply uncomfortable with Thesp's playstyle. I will say that Thesp has altered his playstyle somewhat and has started giving some reasons behind his pronouncements.-
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I can see your point, if it's an inconsistency that actually means something. The way I see it, you are picking meaningless points of trivia that anyone could interpret in different ways and trying to blow them up into scum-tells. It even worked, somehow, in getting VRK lynched. And you may have missed that I, in fact, did try to start a counter-wagon.CrashTextDummie wrote:
Stuff like this pisses me off. Internal inconsistencies tend to be among the more reliable scum-tells in my experience, so when I see one, I point it out. If the person being inconsistent can't explain it away, I tend to think he's scum. Evidently, the majority of the town either agreed with me or didn't feel bothered to present a feasible counter-wagon. I do not appreciate at all the way you're trying to pin this one on me in an attempt to discredit my legitimacy.DeathSauce wrote:Hmmm, CrashTextDummy finds a tiny inconsistency and tries blowing it up into major thing, where have we seen this behavior before?
:shrug: Yes, I admitted that you might be correct. That's a far cry from agreeing with you or changing my vote to agree with you.CTD wrote:
When are you planning to make up your mind on this matter anyhow? It's easy for you to sayOh yes, when we lynched VRK, a TOWNIE over nothing!nowthat we lynched him over "nothing", but yesterday you didn't seem to think that way:
DeathSauce wrote:I still am suspicious of CTD and Peter's motivation. I disagree with some of the reasoning behind their votes on VRK. But I have to admit they might be correct.
VRK and pickem were absolutely convinvced that you and Peter were scum, pickem was even willing to vote himself to prove it ( a bad strategy I admit). Why are you trying to pretend that episode never happened? Why do I get the feeling you you are much more interested in making various people appear in a bad light?CTD wrote:Why do I get the feeling that you're much more interested in making various people appear in a bad light, instead of actually hunting scum? You've done at least 3 U-turns when it comes to your opinion of me and the wagon on VRK, and while I acknowledge that it's quite natural to change your opinion over the course of a game as a townsperson, I'm growing increasingly wary of it in your case.
I am keeping my vote on you, for now in large part due to your somewhat obvious bussing of PV in post 745.-
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Completely false. See posts 546 and 547. Page 21 of this thread, I believe.CrashTextDummie wrote:
Because it never happened.Deathsauce wrote: VRK and pickem were absolutely convinced that you and Peter were scum, pickem was even willing to vote himself to prove it ( a bad strategy I admit). Why are you trying to pretend that episode never happened?
It absolutely did happen.-
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Did you read the posts in question? They specifically refer to the "CTD/Peter contingent".
That includes you. Accusing me of "misrepresenting others" is sheer hypocrisy, since that's all you managed to do in your above post.
I take it, by the way, that you do now admit that the incident occurred? If so, does that qualify as an 'internal inconsistency"?
I will answer the points that I feel need comment. As I have done in my last two posts.Now answer the rest of my post.-
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Believe what you want, I still think you are possibly scummy as well, Thesp. Unfortunately I can only vote for one scum at a time.
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Day 2, Sixth official vote count:
Paradoxombie (2): gorckat, mustafa15
DeathSauce (2): CrashTextDummie, Thesp
Raffles (1): Peter Venkman
CrashTextDummue (1): DeathSauce
Not voting: TeamQuiggan, Paradoxombie, Occult, Raffles
10 alive, 6 to lynch.-
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Peter, the interaction between you and CTD was far more than simply asking a question. I have read enough games to realize that minor internal arguments are fairly unusual between pro-town players this late in the game and that staged arguments are far more common between scum.Peter wrote: So when a player asks another player a question, he is distancing himself from that player?-
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I'll admit that I've done a lot of flailing around in this game, but I really think you have been exposed by the poor play of a newbie. That's a little unfair to you, but that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.
It is very difficult to read the interactions between you and Lateralus so that doesn't read as a newbie scum following instructions. I read your defense, and it failed to convince me.-
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