Mini 451 - Totally Awesome Mafia, Game Over

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Bobby Plump - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoosiers

The final seconds of the Hoosiers state final hold fairly closely to the details of Milan's 1954 final; the final shot in the movie was taken from virtually the same spot on the floor as Bobby Plump's actual game-winner.

Vote: N9V

cuz I don't like the swirly things in your name.

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Hey guys...I'm on dial up internet all weekend (race weekend here in Indy). I won't be able to post much until Mon or Tues. Hope you don't see that as scummy.

BTW, I'm used to playing werewolf instead of mafia, so I fully expect to slip up a few times and say wolf or WW instead of mafia. Just be ready for it.

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I'm back. Sorry for my absence. No excuses.

I just read the whole dang thing. I don't think NL is mafia. Even noob scum know they shouldn't stick out so badly on the first day.

But Off the Mark is insisting that he knows NL and Hjall are scum. I think he's off the, well, you get the pun. Here's a guy who is convinced of two mafia. Nobody can be that sure of two-thirds of the axis of evil so early.

He's trying to lead the show and force the lynch of an easy scapegoat.

Unvote
Vote: Off The Mark

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I suggest that we lynch the next person who uses a baseball analogy.

I think that's a home run idea, Stewie.

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I still stand by my analysis, though. NONE of the posters who have said they don't agree with me have addressed Nekka's ridiculous "I respect your opinion but I think you are scum" comment. They have no counter-argument for that because it is a dead giveaway.

I won't disagree that it's a strange comment, but I don't think it's the hard core solid evidence that you think it is.

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Aimee, care to explain your absence from this thread?

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FoS: bobbyblump

Uh...Ok? Does that have a reason behind it?

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Fair enough. Of course, that would require N-L to be scum and we don't know that.

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Slightly off topic, but man these games take forever. We play much faster at www.werewolflive.com

That's all.

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Hjall, I'm glad that you voted. I'm always suspicious of folks who hide in an "I'm not sure...so I'm not voting" stance.

However, it's quite odd that after defending N-L and saying you think he's town, you choose to vote for him.

Are you:

A) mafia jumping on the bandwagon to lynch,
B) mafia who was defending a family member, but now that it's clear they are going to be lynched, decides to join in
C) town just making an odd decision?

Two out of those three are bad, so

FoS: Hjallti

Speaking of not voting, I'll also

FoS: Aimee

for:

1) Hiding in a no vote
2) Posting on other threads in the first week, but not posting here

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Well, right now there are 6 people not voting for N-L:

Me, N-L himself, Aimee, THS, Nabakov, and Lowell.

I'm not switching my vote for aformentioned reasons. NL can't lynch himself. Aimee and THS are gone.

That leaves Nabakov and Lowell as the two people who can end this thing. I'm not trying to push the lynch of a townie, but if it's inevitable, let's not waste another 9 pages (and god knows how many real life days).

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[quote="NabakovNabakov"]@Bobby: However, I wonder what exactly you're suspicous of Amiee for. quote]

Good point about Aimee, but the fact still remains that she didn't post even when she WAS around posting on other threads. That bothers me.

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Well I didn't mean to confuse things, OTM. I just don't want a week of five-post days so that Aimee can come back and cast a vote on the 10th.

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Pardon my newbness here, but OtM, what is vig? Is that a villager that can take someone out when they die? If that were the case, wouldn't they have been identified as a vig instead of totally awesome villager?

I've only played one game with two families of mafia, and that was a 20+ person game. Is it common to have two families in a 12 player game?

My first thought was indeed SK. Now who would that be?

Alls I know is that Aimee was out on vacation until the 10th. And then the mod makes a post that we won't start again until the 11th, giving those absent, "to send in night choices if they have any."

Maybe it's not fair to bring that in, but to me it makes Aimee look like an SK.

FOS: Aimee

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Oh, and Aimee, what is IGMEOY? I'm not familiar.

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You know, OtM, you make some decent points about N9V.

The only problem is that you led the charge (as I said in Day 1) to kill N-L. So now I don't know if I can trust you. I voted for you yesterday for leading the charge against a newb, and the only reason I haven't voted for you yet today is because of my suspicions of Aimee.

So I have a question for the group, since I've never played with an SK. Assuming we have a serial killer, who should we go after first? Mafia or the SK?

If logic says go after the SK first, I'm voting for Aimee. If it says go after mafia, I'll probably vote OtM...although now I'm really curious about N9V as well.

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But if we don't lynch mafia today, both the mafia and the SK will still be able to make a kill tonight.

If we kill the SK today, only one townie will die tonight.

What are the win scenarios with an SK?

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Sorry...that should have said, if we DO lynch mafia today, there will still be two kills tonight.

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Aimee, did you ever answer why you were posting on other threads during Day 1, but staying quiet on our board?

That's the other reason you look fishy to me.

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Thanks for pointing those things out, OTM. I think you are right that we need to get mafia first. Having said that, I am going to stick to my vote from yesterday. If you can convince me otherwise, do so.

Vote: Off the Mark

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I did think about that, OTM, and here's what I decided.

You're either saying that because you are pro-town, or because you want to appear to be pro-town. So basically, you have no choice, and that post is a wash.

If you are mafia, and you said, "No! We should go after the SK first," then other experienced players would pick up on it and you'd be lynched before you know it.

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Nabakov, OTM posted several times that he was certain N-L was scum. He even posted that he was SURE Hjall was scum. That's when I had to cast my day 1 vote...when he was "certain" of two mafia. Now I see he's backpedaling away from that.

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@pickem: you get an anti-town feeling from me based on two posts? One of which you mischaracterize what I'm saying. When did I ever push to lynch the SK first? I've never played with an SK, so I asked the group what we should do.

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That sounds like you want to lynch the SK first.

That's me trying to think this thing through. Devil's advocate, if you will. You need to look at a series of posts, not just take one quote out of context.

Taking quotes out of context to suit your motives = scummy.

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I voted for OTM

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Just so people know, I'm still around. There just hasn't been anything worth commenting on for awhile. Let's get moving.

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CTD is posting in other threads but not here? Maybe a little more pressure will help.

Unvote: OTM
Vote: CTD

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This is getting rediculous. Anybody interested in playing this game or should I just forget about it?

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I'm through waiting.

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Having CTD come out and post when he has three or four votes against him does not make him any less suspicious to me. If I were scum, I'd come out of the woodwork too in that situation.

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For starters, I think his argument that Papaya's "aw crap" comment is phoney sympathy is pretty weak.

Secondly, OTM WAS the leader behind the charge to lynch N-L. Although others were quick to support him, it's not "factually incorrect" to say OTM led the way.

Finally, what I really meant when posting what I just posted is this: in my opinion, you can't just come out, make one post, then disappear again. Not good enough for me. Unless he's going to be actively involved in this game for an extended period of time, I'm going to keep on his case.

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I don't like N9V lurking either. I'm not going to cast a vote for him, but I will if he doesn't post something in the next, I don't know, 24-48 hours.

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Good question, CTD.

Unvote: CTD

@N9V - if you're the vig, did you consider killing anyone else?

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N9V, you need to answer the question about why you chose to kill at all.

Again, this is a newb question. But how many bulletts does a Vig usually have?

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The question I am asking myself is is it worth possibly killing a Vig in order to possibly kill a serial killer.

As the group said before, it's in the town's best interest to kill mafia first, then go after the SK. So, if that's the case, shouldn't we give N9V a pass today?

The mafia will likely go after him tonight anyway, right? So how about we kill us some scum.

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Wow, what a crappy thing to come back and find in the midst of vacation. I did PM the mod over the weekend and tell him that I'm on vacation this week. Will probably only be on once a day to post at most. Bad timing on my part.

With that said, my lynch decision is easy.

Vote: Pickemgenuis

He's lying. And tottally awesome townies don't lie. Lynch him...and then his scum buddy Nabakov.

Look back and tell me where I've been anti-town. Anybody? Anybody? I'm always out there looking for the best possible solutions...even if I don't know what those solutions are.

So Pickem goes into the cave, knowing scum is awfully darn close to victory. He jumps in immediately to implicate a townie. Then his scum buddy Nabakov comes on with the, "I'm not quite convinced" act. "If you aren't a filthy liar, good job at catching scum"?! Ugh! Gag me!

Kill pickem and let's get on the right track.

I'd be happy to answer any questions, but time will be limited due to vacation and all.

And my thoughts on the 2 vs. 3 scum thing? I really doubt there's three scum out there. Nearly half of the town's population has been killed so far and no pro-town specials? I don't buy it. I'm a regular villager, so I highly doubt we have 3 mafia, 1 townie (me), and 3 others at this point in the game.

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P.S. I'll be on for probably another 10 minutes or so if anyone is out there.

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He should have defended himself instead of linking himself to Nekka. But the Nekka link was too convenient for him to pass up, at the time.

Did you read the exchange? There was nothing for me to defend. THere were no reasons given. Just, "I think you are scum with NL".

@Nabakov...I just think it's crazy you and Pickem were the first two on and you did that good-cop, bad-cop schtick to get me lynched. If there really are three of you, well done, because you guys are about to hoodwink everyone into a win.

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Aimee, I know I am town. So why would a claimed cop say that I wasn't town? That makes no sense!!! Why wouldn't I vote for someone saying that I am something I'm not?!

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Aimee, I know I am

town

scum. So why would an uncounterclaimed

claimed

cop say that I wasn't town? That makes

no

sense!!! Why wouldn't I vote for someone saying that I am something I am

I'm not

?!

kthxfixed.


I agree we need more talky-talky though.

Good plan, pickem. When you don't have anything to counter an argument, make fun of it.

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[quote="pickemgenius
It's better then lying about being town.

I wouldn't know...I don't do either.

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My responses in green within the quote.

Defense of N-L
Attacking OTM for going after N-L

-N-L was acting completely Newb!! Even when you first joined the game, you said, "You guys voted N-L off basically for obvious newbishness and vote hopping. Genius. Sorry for the sarcasm, but hey." Then you say, "OTM- You could very well be scum."

Now I'm scum for thinking the same thing you think?? How does that make any sense?

FoS: bobbyblump

Uh...Ok? Does that have a reason behind it?

- Pretty defensive for it noly being an FOS.

Asking for a reason for an FOS is defensive? Really? I wasn't the only one saying CTD was making dumb accusations without any reasoning.

That leaves Nabakov and Lowell as the two people who can end this thing. I'm not trying to push the lynch of a townie, but if it's inevitable, let's not waste another 9 pages (and god knows how many real life days).

Going after "lurkers" (Aimee), while being a lurker, and posting relatively

ZERO

content throughout the Day(s)
Uses craplogic to go after Aimee Day 2

You weren't even here on Day 1, so you can't claim I was lurking. I was very active then. I was getting fed up with the pace of the game, sure. But Aimee was posting on other threads and not here. THAT'S what I was saying was scummy. Not general inactivity.

Agrees with OTM about ~N9V~ then votes him later in that same RL day and says

Having said that, I am going to stick to my vote from yesterday. If you can convince me otherwise, do so.

Vote: Off the Mark

We went over this already. I agreed with OTM when he said we should go after mafia before SK (having never played with an SK before, I didn't know). Then, I voted OTM, who I thought looked scummy since Day 1. Nothing wrong with that.

More lurker voting Day 2 (CTD) while he in fact has been basically lurking himself.
In fact he voted CTD June 19, and posted

ZERO

content since the 14th, and even it is a stretch to call what he did on the 14th. as actual content.

My content is low because everyone else's content is low. I cast a vote, then waited and waited, I even posted, "I'm still here, there's just nothing worthy of commenting on." I'm not posting 24-7, but I post when it's important. My analysis has been helpful, and my voting paterns solid.

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EBWOP: This stuck out as a

HUGE

thing in my analysis

That leaves Nabakov and Lowell as the two people who can end this thing.

I'm not trying to push the lynch of a townie,

but if it's inevitable, let's not waste another 9 pages (and god knows how many real life days).

Why does this quote stick out? This was a frustration post because everyone was sitting around. And then people were saying we should wait 10 days or something for Aimee to get back before taking any action. The game was making no progress at all. I thought N-L was acting as a newb, not as scum.

I refused to switch my vote, but the general consensus was, "We all plan to vote for N-L, but not until Aimee gets back. THAT'S what I was frustrated with.

Pickem is full of it. He needs to be lynched.

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BP: Thank you for posting a rebuttal, but most of your points seem to rely on us needing to know what you were feeling at the time. That hasn't actually been documented in thread, so we don't actually know if you were fed up with game pacing or frustrated with N-L's newbishness. Not good.

What do you mean it wasn't documented on the thread?

Post 196 by me: "Slightly off topic, but man these games take forever."

Post 221: "let's not waste another 9 pages (and god knows how many real life days)"

Post 225: "I just don't want a week of five-post days so that Aimee can come back and cast a vote on the 10th. "

I think that kind of shows I was fed up with the game's pace.

@OTM...I guess maybe it's because I come from a different site with different playstyles, but I really don't see how some of these tiny clauses in people's posts set off this group's radar.

For example, the thing that started the whole "lynch N-L" craze was that he said, "No offense if you're a townie" in his vote.

Now, to me, that means nothing. Just something thrown onto a post. Kind of like my, "hope you don't see that as scummy" comment. I meant nothing by it.

Turns out you got NL lynched because of one silly phrase. Great job on that one. Now you're about to lynch me because of more of the same.

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That's why I kept offering the suggestion of using N9V as a weapon. If the town would have gone along with that and lynched pickem, I could have won with the scum way back on D2.

I believe the correct play would have been for mafia to encourage keeping the SK alive another night. That's what I was trying to go for with the, "We need to lynch scum first" argument on N9V. Nobody was with me though.

Stewie mentioned killing Aimee on Night 2, and me and NN thought Hijalti instead. That decision cost us the game. Well played, town...especially you, pickem. And you, OTM. How you avoided getting lynched I'll never know.

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I wasn't going to say anything, but yeah. haha. I don't take things personally though. It's a game. I can get vicious when I win too.