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its fairly simple actually. i saw the post before mine, in which nocmen voted for shadow. i looked at the votecount, saw it said 2 votes for both OMG and shadow. since i knew that shadow was away until after today, because we're both in newbie game 330, i figured more would be accomplished by applying pressure to OMG, who as far as i know, is still active.kilmenator wrote:Elias-I find it hard to believe that you would not have been able to count that it was three votes on him being that it was right after it, and the fact you acknowledged three was a wagon, yet failed to realize that it was three on theshadow, not really anything serious, but I find it doubtful you missed something that obvious.
good job ignoring where i just said a couple posts ago that I was going by the votecount.kilmenator wrote:Elias-I find it hard to believe that you would not have been able to count that it was three votes on him-
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actually, if you had read instead of scimmed, kilmenator, you would see that i stated both reasons originally in subsequent posts, and that i meant to say it in the same post, which is what EBWOP means (edit by way of post). since i thought they were both at two, i thought that it didnt matter countwise who i voted for, therefore i voted for OMG based on the second reason, that shadow said he would be back sometime today.-
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ok. youre entitled to your opinion. but joining a bandwagon to start conversation is fairly common practice in order. it really starts the game up.
but moving on, i find it odd that you (ancalogon) would vote me. you totally ignored OMG's vote, for reasons unknown to me, and his vote has no warrant at all while mine at least had a purpose. to me this means one of three things:
1) you scimmed and didnt see it
2) youre scum and you wanted to blend in by jumping on the person who's being questioned already, or
3) you're scum with OMG and didnt want to draw attention to him.
any of the three are possible. I just want to know why you dont even comment on OMG's vote hopping, yet jump on mine as "the scummiest thing you've seen in your entire life"-
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exactly. but if everyone just stuck on there random votes, would anything happen?
now, my first vote was my random vote. but when i saw that nothing was happening in this game, I switched it in order to get the game going again. If no one switches there vote, then no scum get lynched. if my vote is random, and I dont find who im voting for suspicious, whats wrong with attempting to start conversation by joining a bandwagon, as long as I dont have serious intent to lynch?
I'll admit that sometimes scum could do this too (though its definately not true that most of the time scum do it), but it certainly is not a scummy play.
and for someone who claims this is the scummiest thing they've ever seen, you really havent been showing much reason for it being scummy at all.
and finally, its true that you never said OMG wasnt suspicious, but you thats only because you never mentioned him at all. you completely skipped his vote jump which had no explanation, and targetted me instead, even though I explained myself. you never addressed my question as to why you would jump on me but ignore OMG. so far you've enforced my opinion that it was either option 2 or 3 that led you to attack me.
therefore,Elias_the_thief wrote:to me this means one of three things:
1) you scimmed and didnt see it
2) youre scum and you wanted to blend in by jumping on the person who's being questioned already, or
3) you're scum with OMG and didnt want to draw attention to him.
fos: Ancalagon, though this may turn to a vote later on. for now i'll keep my vote on OMG.-
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i'm not sure how anyone would see one random vote as pressure. 1) its obviously random, therefore not pressure, and 2) its only one vote. theres no serious threat. if you think that random votes are good, then why not random bandwagons? neither have intent to lynch, however bandwagons apply enough pressure to actually start the person talking.Ancalagon wrote:
That is a fact. Random votes are there to see how people respond to pressure.Elias wrote:If no one switches there vote, then no scum get lynched.
as you said, you're new to the game. I doubt you have a very good perception of what bandwagons are usually for. day 1 bandwagons are actually usually formed with the intent of starting conversation.Ancalagon wrote:
Bandwagons usually do have intent to lynch. Not always, but usually.Elias wrote: if my vote is random, and I dont find who im voting for suspicious, whats wrong with attempting to start conversation by joining a bandwagon, as long as I dont have serious intent to lynch?
(i fixed the tags for you)Ancalagon wrote:
I don't understand what you're saying here.Elias wrote: its true that you never said OMG wasnt suspicious, but you thats only because you never mentioned him at all.
I'm sorry the message got messed up. what i'm saying is that it may be true that you never said that OMG wasnt suspicious. however, you never said he was suspicious. you just entirely ignored his posts, even though his made less sense then mine.
again, putting the third vote on a bandwagon isnt particularly suspicious. totally ignoring one persons random vote hop, then suddenly jumping on someone else for vote hopping is scummy, unless you just missed the first persons hop, which you said you didnt. if you had asked for both our reasons in the same post, or asked for his soon after, I wouldnt find it so scummy. but since no one else is going to do it, i will
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i was going to make those same points about barroman, but javert has already done it for me.
3 + -12, carry the 62... = ???Barromán wrote: And why you don't answer this?Ancagalon wrote:
How much time passed? Your post was at 5:00 on a Friday Night. Then there was another post, then your post again at 10:00 on a Saturday Morning. Hardly enough to call a slow game. That's weak reasoning there.Elias wrote: now, my first vote was my random vote. but when i saw that nothing was happening in this game, I switched it in order to get the game going again.
i can see why you have trouble figuring out the answer, barro . but luckily for us ancalagon gave the answer in his next post.-
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I have to agree with this. while barromans questions were kind of dumb seeing as they'd already been answered, they dont really seem to be much of a scumtell.The Shadow wrote:I think Javert's kinda jumping it a bit on Barroman. He asked Elias a simple question. Regardless of whether it should have been fairly clear, that's hardly cause for a vote, I'm thinking.
and javert: i kinda see where OMG is coming from about you being annoying. its nothing about your posts, but your picture just looks really condescending. obviously im not suspicious about you for it, that would be dumb. but if theres anything i learned about OMG in my last game, its that he's an idiotic asshole. not much he says can be taken at face value-
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ok. I will answer your questions.Barromán wrote:
I WANT ELIAS TO ANSWER IT. Thanks
my comment wasnt intended to imply that random votes are useless, it meant to say that random votes dont really apply much pressure. random votes are good at the beginning of the game, but not much after one's first or second post. this is also the answer to your second question. i used a random vote, because I do not think random votes are useless. so im not contradicting myself there.
as for the third question, I never said the game was dead, I said it was slowmoving. nothing was happening really besides random votes, so i wanted to start things moving faster. and i think 17 hours is enough time between posts to say the game is moving slowly. as for Javert, theres nothing wrong with defending a player from an attack that is based on nothing. i think its protown to make sure no one gets lynched for dumb reasons.-
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by this logic youve been scum in all the games ive played with you.omg_im_innocent_wtf wrote: and before you ask i dont have any reason to think javert is scum, he is just annoying the hell out of me
but seriously guys, this is how OMG usually plays; like an idiot. unless we feel like lynching him for being irritating (tempting I know) then he's not really our best bet. Our biggest problem so far in this game is lack of participation. Anyways, I still feel that Ancalogon is the most scummy based on his immediate jumping on me without paying any attention at all to OMG who did pretty much the same thing as I did. I still stand by this post.
since he admitted it wasnt the first, i am still inclined to believe his reasons were one of the latter two. in the absense of anyone better to vote, im gonna go ahead and put ancalogon at 3.I wrote: but moving on, i find it odd that you (ancalogon) would vote me. you totally ignored OMG's vote, for reasons unknown to me, and his vote has no warrant at all while mine at least had a purpose. to me this means one of three things:
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3) you're scum with OMG and didnt want to draw attention to him.vote: ancalogon-
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i dont like that you would FOS someone just because they have different opinions about someone. if you were scum you could say the same thing about your scumbuddy and fos anyone who votes for him. it just seems like a dumb argument to me.ac1983fan wrote:FOS:Barromanfor voting kilmentator, who appears to be town to me
Ooh! am i a semi decent player? or is my IQ also below 50?omg_im_innocent_wtf wrote: <3 elias
and its not a tactic of mine AT ALL in games when dealing with ppl with an IQ over 50
if you watched me in a game with semi decent players you would see that but its unlikely to ever happen here.-
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It really is. ok, I dont agree with your plan to just lynch the shadow based on his lurking. What if we end up lynching the doc , or possibly a roleblocker? then we'd be screwed. Im sure a replacement would be possible. I just dont think we can lynch a random person, when we've already lost a cop. Im not confortable with it.I play the games rul gud.-
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That worked out for the best. Anyways, on the topic of OMG's claim, its the same thing he did in my last game with him. He claimed power, then claimed scum then got lynched. (he was a roleblocker). I dont think you can take anything he says at face value. That being said, I think lynching OMG would have been a better idea as opposed to shadow. shadow was inactive, so he was replaced. Since OMG is active, we cant really justify replacing him, but its clear he's going to be no help to town. I think if we dont get the extension, I'd be much more confortable lynching him then I was with lynching shadow.
However, Im not going to vote for him unless its between him and a no lynch. Ancalogon, would you be willing to post something a little more useful than a post devoted to mocking OMG's claim?I play the games rul gud.-
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I still disagree with the near random lynch that meme was suggesting. My point was IF we made a near random lynch, I was saying we shouldnt lynch someone who isnt contributing, since they can be replaced (shadow), as opposed to someone that the mod pretty much cant replace because theyre being active, but who's equally useless to the town (OMG). Plus, when I made my post, the only claim OMG had made stated "im power as always". I didnt think that was serious, because of the "as always".
1) in response to the question, he claimed scum, then cop. he ended up being roleblocker. (he managed to get a counterclaim from the real cop, thus he was lynched)
2) I conclude this because OMG seems to be a player that tries to screw the town over if he's screwed (extracting a counterclaim from the real cop in that scenerio I mentioned). So I can see him possibly trying to do the same thing if he's vanilla. I dont think his behavior really reveals much about his role.
3)yeah, it would suck to lose a doc or a RB.
As for "what we know", I disagree with A.) for reasons I stated above.
I'm pretty sure you missed the conclusion I'm drawing from OMG's behavior, or perhaps you simply dont agree with them. I see OMG as someone that will attempt to screw up the game regardless of alignment (though I havent been in any completed games with him in which he is mafia).I play the games rul gud.-
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Im going away for the weekend, til sometime monday. sorry.
I'll answer sweenys question when I get back and reread. honestly, I dont remember what the pressure was on ac for, so im not too suspicious of him beyond the fact that most other people seem to have him in their top 3 scum.I play the games rul gud.-
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Hmm. Did a reread focusing on AC. From what I read, I'll agree he is one of the scummier players in the game. I apologize in advance for a lengthy post.
So basically in the beginning he is suspicious for being extremely noncommittal, and for blatantly lurking in plain sight. He claimed there was nothing to talk about when there was actually a great deal going on. His silent unvote near the beginning of the game caught my eye as well. Anyways, he was eventually pressured into posting *some* content. The content he posts is not in agreement with my own opinions in most places, but thats not much of a scumtell. Later he posts his amazing list of scummy posts, without a list of authors or any explanation. When they are requested, he refuses/complains then doesnt do it. From what I've heard, these posts werent very scummy, though I havent read all of the ones he mentioned (at least not under the lens of searching for his supposed scumtells). Im kind of confused why the numbers jump around so much. If he had been rereading, or taking them as he went throughout the game, they probably wouldve been in some sort of order. To me it seems he just picked random ones and hoped no one asked for an explanation. Another thing that seemed wierd was requesting the no lynch. As meme said, it seems as if he really doesnt care about finding scum. My favorite is when asked about some bad logic earlier on, he says he "wasnt thinking straight". I mean, it might be true, but i dont like it. Even if he were town, he sure isnt much use to us with plays like that. In answer to Sweeny's question, I havent been voting him because I didnt realize how scummy he was. I was only thinking based off of that "i wasnt thinking straight" post, which I made a post about. In addition to that, I'm not completely certain whether or not to believe the roleblocker claim or not. We already have two dead power roles, im not hankering to lose another. However, he only roleclaimed, and never clarified his alignment, though concern for his alignment was expressed around the time of his claim. Now that I have reread focusing on him, I realize he's either scum or really unhelpful town, and in either case, he's a better lynch than other candidates IMO.
On the topic of the mason claim, Im also not sure whether to believe it. I havent been getting a good read on Noc all game, though i had a very slight scum feel from him. Kilm I wasnt too sure about either. Im probably going to reread focusing on those two later on to determine whether I believe the claim or not.
In conclusion, Ive decided that AC is probably scum, and I think Im willing to vote him, despite my uncertainty about his claim.vote: ACfanI play the games rul gud.-
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@ Kilm: Its hardly pressure if you tell me youre just putting pressure on me...
@Void: I think it's possible. Given a hypothetical situation where one scum is down and one is under pressure, its a feasible gambit. If theyre believed, they pretty much have the game. If they arent believed, theyve pretty lost it. Though I think its feasible, it doesnt seem likely. I was just throwing the possibility out there.I play the games rul gud.-
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I suppose there may be something to the barroman case. Though I dont like the way discussion is between Javert and Barroman, when barroman obviously has some trouble speaking english while Javert is the opposite. Perhaps some trouble comes from the translation?
Anyways, reread the thread. Im not sure I really see much evidence for or against the mason pairing, besides the fact that they dont really attack eachother. As I said, the gambit I mentioned is pretty unlikely. In conclusion, the mason claim seems genuine.I play the games rul gud.-
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If my latest post was too noncommittal, check my post preceeding it where I outlined AC's play throughout the game, and my opinion of him.spectrumvoid wrote: Elias's latest post has set a couple of alarm bells ringing, because it's completely non-commital.
As this point though, I'd still prefer a barroman lynch.
Kilm, if youre going to vote me a bunch of little things, could you at least outline the little things so that I actually have something to defend myself against?I play the games rul gud.-
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I dont think I was noncommittal. I commented to the effect that the Barroman case brought up some good points, but I calledspectrumvoid wrote:Elias: I wasn't referring your discussion on ac. I was referring to the bit where you mentioned barroman.someof the points into possible question because of a possible translation issue. I agree with the case for the most part, though I feel that AC is more likely scum than Barroman.I play the games rul gud.-
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