Mini 1540 - Terror in Eagleland (Game Over)

[GreyICE]

Vote: the goodfather

Vote: JJcoolPants

Voting without reasons is scummy.

[GreyICE]

Thank you for confirming my vote is in good places.

[GreyICE]

People need to take dp1 less serious. Hell, its more than likely to mislynch than hit scum.

And don't criticize my first vote, it was 60% joke on nati for voting for himself and 40% additional pressure.

How am i supposed to make a justified vote when not even half of the players have posted??

Vote: Goodfather

This is what a scum post looks like

[GreyICE]

Just stating the truth @phokdapolees. Regardless of whether I have a pr, when i flip green the town will be down 2 next dp with a night kill.

I'm so confused right now.

So apparently the town usually mislynches day 1, and we shouldn't take it super seriously.

But if we "mislynch" you on day 1 it's a dire catastrophe that will set the town fatally far behind. Have we summarize this correctly?

[GreyICE]

Just stating the truth @phokdapolees. Regardless of whether I have a pr, when i flip green the town will be down 2 next dp with a night kill.

I'm so confused right now.

So apparently the town usually mislynches day 1, and we shouldn't take it super seriously.

But if we "mislynch" you on day 1 it's a dire catastrophe that will set the town fatally far behind. Have we summarize this correctly?

Mostly correctly. I was saying that we shouldn't take the first day of a 14 day long dp1 too seriously since there is so much more time, and not everybody has even posted. I will really begin to scumhunt once I have had a chance to hear from everyone

Here is an attempt at clarification:
I think that a dp1 lynch is risky, thats all I am saying. I am used to playing on another site with much shorter dp's (24 hours or less)and you can vote to abstain or you can vote that no one gets lynched, and that is much more common on that site than it is on this site. I prefer something like that dp1 when I am town. It reduces the risk of hitting a friendly townie, i have found in the few games I have played in on this site, that voting to lynch no one is not a common dp1 decision.

And no, mislynching me is not a dire catastrophe, at least no more so than lynching any other townie dp1. I just happen to know I can be helpful in the future when it comes to scumhunting.

I am thinking that of the 13 total players, the breakdown is 9:4. If a townie (any townie, not just me) gets lynched today, then another will die tonight. leaving the ratio at 7:4 (assuming a starting ratio or 9:4)
If a townie is lynched again dp2, that puts us in a mylo situation dp3 with a ratio of 5:4. If anything the first days lynch sets the pace for the rest of the game. So, we need to be careful with who we lynch today. If you all truly think i am scum, then keep your votes as they are. Frankly, I welcome the pressure. The problem is it'll only take a few more people to jump on my lynch-wagon and then dp1 ends 13 days early with a town lynch... that is an inauspicious start to a game...

So martyr complex, crappy theorycrafting, threatening the town, and promising content in the future?

Does this... I dunno... work, on the other site? For the love of god, why?

[GreyICE]

1st, martyr complex is unwarranted. I'll only be a martyr if I end up dying for my cause (the town) and honestly, if my death helps the town, thats cool with me. You think i am bs'ing a claim, thats fine. We both know one way to find out

and nope tbh, I have a pretty shetty record overall when it comes to mafia. i only started playing mafia a month ago since a friend asked me too. I thought i'd try playing on this site to get more experience.

I've really enjoyed my games elsewhere, but tbh not so much here. But I signed up for these games, and I intend to play them for as long as I can. I am not the kind of person to say i'll do something and then not do it. So, I intend to give it my all til the end (isn't it sad that this is my all...)

I'm tempted to say "it sucks you drew scum when you're so new" because I honestly don't think you're town, but I'm willing to stare into the rabbit hole a little while.

Take a look at the votes. Are there scum on your wagon? If so, who and why? Or is your wagon all well-meaning townies?

[GreyICE]

Good father is town and a half here GreyICE. Newbtown, sure. But town. Its hard to fake that sort of sentiment.

I know you're a hardcore logic dude and will fight me on this though.

I think there is scum between the intersect of my wagon and Goodfather's.

It feels like you are encouraging me to fight you, rather than asking me to work together with you.

Why does your post work with the implicit assumption I am town and gently prod me to stay on Goodfather while tsking about his wagon?

[GreyICE]

I get town vibes from you(greyice), JJ pants, and bjc

I admit to some level of curiosity once again.

bjc's sole content appears to be a vote on JJPants, one of your town reads.

Why ever did he make it to town status?

[GreyICE]

Are we still in RVS? Slandaar's above post gives me this impression.

vote the goodfater

Is your vote on user bjc?

Aye, yes it is

vote bjc[/vote]

sheeping

ugh

vote bjc

what is this i dont even

[GreyICE]

Obviously they know that voting a player right now will only give advantage to scums!

wtf is this sentence

and why are you voting nati?

unvote, vote bjc

Mmmm, why not.

Vote: bjc

[GreyICE]

Sorry guys (and girls?) didnt get any time tonight. Will do my best to have a page up while at work tomorrow.

You.

I don't like you.

[GreyICE]

Going for a random vote.

vote: lootifer

The FUCK

JJ, I want to lynch this guy. He deserves it.

[GreyICE]

what

It's Slandaar. Don't read too much into it.

And yes, half the players in this game deserve lynching on general principle, but why RVS voting on page 4? *headdesk*

Whatever, I like your bjc vote, I sheep you

[GreyICE]

I lynch you because my win condition says I have to kill all the threats to the town people, and your win condition says you have to kill all the townies. Sadly the moderator just gave me the ability to vote and talk while he gave you a night kill.

[GreyICE]

"Explain whai [sic] plz [sic]"

Yes, he really fucking quote walls like a quotosaurus rex, and then can't spell "please."

Vote him just for that. Are you ever gonna bother to read those walls? No? Help us lynch him.

[GreyICE]

I'm three votes away from being quite happy, thank you very much.

Natirasha, help me out here.

[GreyICE]

I'm three votes away from being quite happy, thank you very much.

Natirasha, help me out here.

VOTE: bjc. I agree his quote walls are terrible, although I'm fairly ambivalent(aka not reading) his quote walls.

[quote="In post 110, kabooooom"
none of you had reason for protecting goodfather and declaring him as town read!

It comes down to a strong bit of gut & the phrasing of his posts. His early posts struck the correct resonance for a newbish town slowly digging his own grave.[/quote]
Really?

'cause I'm still quite willing to bet newbie scum.

[GreyICE]

HEY GOODFATHER

WHY THE FUCK WAS BJC TOWN AGAIN

INQUIRING MINDS ETC ETC

[GreyICE]

No, we're on page 5 and jack shit has been posted.

And it's not rage posting. It's getting Goodfather's attention. I get vewy vewy angwy when my scumreads start shutting up.

[GreyICE]

Really?

'cause I'm still quite willing to bet newbie scum.

What's the stakes? I'm willing to bet on it.

Didn't those fuckers disallow avatar bets sometime back? It'd be pretty funny to see you with a "Grey Rocks" avatar for a month though.

Oh man, it's tempting to switch my vote back just to see the look on your face...

[GreyICE]

Okay, Goodfather, I gotta ask. Have you ever seen someone give any useful reaction to someone vaguely mentioning that something they did looked scummy?

Because it looks a hell of a lot like you're giving us reads just to appease us.

[GreyICE]

I mean besides flipping out, yelling that we were all taking this too seriously, threatening that if we lynched you the town would be nearly doomed and then suggesting a no lynch?

[GreyICE]

I never said anything about doom. Just that it would be a decision regretted in hindsight. Regardless of whether i have a pr, my death would be just as negative as any townies death, and all mislynches are regrettable, unless of course a townie dying ends up outing scum in the process (thats why I don't mind you tunneling me, I feel a strong sense of comfort that If I do get lynched today, there will inevitably be scum on my wagon. I only hope the town is capable enough to do something about it and learn from the death of a townie.

Also, I believe that you used the words "dire catastrophe" and I corrected you, as I find myself doing

once again

, only to find me on the end of your scope still. I thought that you were eagerly scumhunting, but as i said in my last post, that could just be a scum rouse to find some townie sap(me) to scapegoat and lynch dp1

Oh my god! I suck!

[GreyICE]

You could make it an acronym. Only you'd be saying it, so it would be "Oh my god! You suck!" You could totes abbreviate the word "you" as "U" and it'd even be catchy!

[GreyICE]

He does have a point though, this activity overview is a fucking embarassment.

[GreyICE]

He said it!

OMGUSing is now called Goodfathering! Spread the word!

He's still scum y'know.

You'd look cute with a "Grey Rocks!" Avatar

[GreyICE]

Oh so anyway, voting yourself and trying to start a wagon on yourself.

What's your post mortem on that?

[GreyICE]

Oh dear god the point of a reaction test is to get a genuine reaction. It's wrecked if you do them every fucking game.

This reaction is disgust btw.

FUCK IT WHERE ARE SOME OTHER PLAYERS. THREE OF US ARE HAVING A CIRCLE JERK

[GreyICE]

I'd ask what the rest of it is, but I can't see how it would be relevant to this game in any way, so maybe I'll do it in the post.

[GreyICE]

so you vote coolpants for being defensive!
but you dont change your vote to goodfather even after mentioning him in your posts that he was more defensive than coolpants!
why so?

Yo kaboo

You town

You notice the chain of links

Between those two

Natirasha is not the major concern today. Lets focus on who is.

[GreyICE]

Holy shit, that actually worked.

Vote: phokdapolees

wut

[GreyICE]

kay

On a scale from 1 to 2, where 1 is "goddamn it why am I not a dayvig" and 2 is "we should lynch it with fire" what do you think of bjc's vote on you?

[GreyICE]

Vote: Lootifier

Fuck it.

I can't take it anymore.

His vote is on the obvious flake.

His posts are like cancer personified. They are actual cancer. They are like a fucking blight on humanity.

He will not fucking flip town.

There is no way on the planet

[GreyICE]

Lets review this shit. IN ORDER.

Post 1

: Promises content.

Post 2:

Content will eventually be forthcoming.

Post 3:

Shitty content. We will circle back. Oh, and he promises content in the future.

Post 4:

Fluff

Post 5:

Promises content

WE ARE NOW SITTING AT A 80% RATE OF PROMISE IN THIS POSTING. DANGER WILL MOTHERFUCKER, DANGER.

Oh, and lets go over the so-called "content" in post 3.

GreyICE:

Feels town, but could be tricking us all! Lets kick some doubt at me.

Goodfather:

Passive, no real feelings, but perhaps noobtown. MAYBE

JJ:

Null? NULL?!?

NULL?!?!?!?!?!

JJ IS THE MOST TOWN MOTHERFUCKER IN TOWNSVILLE. HE'S LIKE THE FUCKING MAYOR OF TOWNSVILLE.

I'll just quote this bit:

I dont have anything on Nati, Slandaar, MME, Pere (though the vote for a name strikes me as odd, is there something inherently scummy in this?), and Phok; I simply dont have enough material to work with compared to their/my experience.

I have some thoughts on bjc, FoD and kaboom but right now I have to prepare for a 4 hour meeting so that will have to wait.

This is like the literal motherfucking definition of skating by.

[GreyICE]

ok.

unvote, vote: lootifer

bjc will be more help to town than you

This isn't even about help to the town.

This shit is just scummy. He's trying to make friends with everyone without producing one little measly bit of content.

You know what takes longer than reading the game? Trying to read the game as if you were town and pretending to get actual reads on people when you know their alignment. IT'S REALLY TOUGH.

Of course one way to get by would be to promise content for a millenia, parrot what townies are saying (his comment about Goodfather being Noobtown is a literal COPY PASTE of Natarisha's comment) and say everyone is potentially null so your options are open.

[GreyICE]

I wish that I had gotten a dayvig role so I can shoot bjc.

People, just read the post that I had issues with and youll probably find issues with it too. M
I feel that jjcool is town, grey ice please back off on him

wut is this

[GreyICE]

Well I can vaguely see how you got there.

But that's really not the intention of the post. It's part of a conversation about a completely different poster (looooooooooooooterrrrrrr)

Oh, Lootifier? Definitely scum.

[GreyICE]

Lootifer is null for me. If he is new, then he is town, but his join date is 2013 so I am undecided. If he was an experienced player, definitely scum though. Gut says so.

Lynch bjc with fire, please.

Heh, I'd make a peptobismol joke, but anything that gets to Lootifier scum is good by me.

I honestly don't have anywhere near as strong a feeling on bjc scum. His posts are objectively terrible play, but I don't know if they're objectively terrible and scummy.

What's your read on Natirasha by the way?

[GreyICE]

I have no problem admitting I haven't done much to help the town up to this point. So I can agree that it is terrible play, but FoD coming up in hurr saying "lol, terribad" is 14 year old shit.

Like is there any reason why you can't help the town?

[GreyICE]

No gut feelings?

[GreyICE]

Fuck this game...
Everyone is dead, but no one has replaced out

Lootifier is scum, but I'll push who you want.

You're my strongest town read, and also the only person who I read as town and I think actively wants to win. So I'll actively push whichever wagon you want, unless I really feel the person it's on is town.

FYI, town:
Flames
kaboom
PV
Slandaar (but totally worth lynching anyway)
Fuck the Police


Lynch All Lurkers
Rob
MME

Irritating, probably town:
bjc

Scumteam:

Natirasha
Lootifier
One of the lurkaderps (my bets on Rob if I had to bet)

[GreyICE]

why do you have phok as a town read?

'cause he's town.

I don't gotta like it.

[GreyICE]

Unvote

,

Vote: kaboom

After skimming the thread:
Town are nat-slandaar-rob-jj-goodfather
meh are per-fod-bjc-phok
scum is kaboom-ice-lootifer.

Out of the meh pile, per and phok are leaning scum.

You can put your bouquets of flowers on the table with the others.

So lootifier is a scum read. And has a wagon on him, meaning there's substantial lynch pressure.

And you put your vote on Kaboom, the person he's voting.

YO JJ I CHANGED MY MIND ON WHICH OF THE LURKERS NEEDS DEATH.

[GreyICE]

THAT GUY.

THAT GUY NEEDS DEATH

[GreyICE]

Awww, are you mad I guessed your little team?

[GreyICE]

I suggest next time you just shoot me. It'll save you some headache.

[GreyICE]

'kay.

Wanna comment on your buddy Lootifier any time soon, or do you want to keep running a hatchet job on me for him?

[GreyICE]

I have no thoughts on lootifer.

Really.

How unexpected.

[GreyICE]

I really don't see why Lootifer is the newbie lynch of choice(cuz let's face it I think all of us are going to nix a non-newbie lynch today @_@), greyICE.

Whose a non-newbie here, Natirasha? You, me, Slandaar and PV? Plus flames, if we assume he's an alt (which he is).

Help me out here, who are the candidates and why?

[GreyICE]

Okay you know what?

BJC is posting on site. He's just inned for another game. And this is the level of contribution he's happy with in this one:

bjc Jan 19, 11:38am Jan 24, 12:14pm 1 day 10 hours

Fuck it, I'm actually fine with this.

Vote: BJC

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[GreyICE]

If someone vigs slandaar tonight I will give them a super cookie. It's like 10 regular cookies glued together

[GreyICE]

(that's L-1)

With intent to hammer.

You've never even said anything about bjc before now.

Except your current intent to hammer.

You're not town.

[GreyICE]

Like seriously though.

If someone vigs Slandaar.

I will love them fucking forever.


Serial Killer

If you want an eternal town read

Shoot that motherfucker

It's all I ask

[GreyICE]

He's not even useless. If he had someone who was mod confirmed scum he would fucking refuse to vote them until he could be the show and the noise.

He is actively anti-town in every single game he is in.

I can only hope he has some sort of power role and is the scum night kill.

Come on scum, look at that ISO. He's protecting a power role. Shoot the dumb bastard.

[GreyICE]

bjc l-1

intent to hammer stated

claim

[GreyICE]

yo vigbait no one is summarizing the game for you. Suck it up and actually read something

[GreyICE]

Sweet. Then you should be able to summarize the case on bjc.

[GreyICE]

Cases are scummy

[GreyICE]

Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but all you have against bjc is him inning in another game? That's all? And he needs to claim? Why?

No

[GreyICE]

You've never even said anything about bjc before now.

Except your current intent to hammer.

You're not town.

I was ok with your aggressive scum-hunting up until this point. But now you are actively mis-representing me: #179 & #207 both address my stance on bjc.

@MME: Slandaar and FoD appear to have the most confident reads on bjc. I suggest ISOing them.

179 has a vague line about bjc, but you admit you have no real views on the subject and you think it's all what other people are saying.

207 has literally nothing

Why did you link me to this crap? It's part of the reason you need to die.

[GreyICE]

Your failure to understand the answers does not mean that there are not reasons.

It's a very good wagon.

[GreyICE]

Aww how sweet.

Rob, lets be honest here. If we decided to put you to L-1 and you can back for your biweekly post to see you were nearly lynched, would it be a surprise? Would you think "oh weird, I thought I was really helping the town"?

[GreyICE]

I'm here, confirm me man!

I don't know who to vote for, don't know ant of you.

Going for a random vote.

vote: lootifer

Odd move.

Nothing, I've not been very well, will try adding more from now on.

Do you think this is an acceptable level of content?

[GreyICE]

BJC IS CLAIM STALLING

DROP THE FUCKING HAMMER

[GreyICE]

Claiming your role takes a few seconds.

A convincing fakeclaim takes a lifetime.

I see you're trying to scare us off yours without even giving it.

[GreyICE]

So Slandaar

Hypothetically, say scum refuses to claim

Do we like

Not lynch them?

Is that a thing now?

They just get to stall out the game while, what? You want us to stand around stroking ourselves?

Get some balls, hammer scum, fuck the claim.

[GreyICE]

BULLSHIT

I will HAPPILY get lynched tomorrow if that is town because the odds of it being town are ZERO

FUCKING ZERO

ZERO PERCENT

[GreyICE]

JOAT, the lazy scum's goto fakeclaim.

Impossible to counterclaim - no risk! Even if there is a doctor or town roleblocker/jailkeeper, you could hypothetically be them!

Impossible to verify - oops, scum didn't shoot the doc target, how unpredictable. Roleblocker can be verified. Of course scum team doesn't exactly get those, WAIT THEY ALMOST ALWAYS DO

Oh and it's a bunch of shitty 1-shots so they'll conveniently be gone when the town needs them.

BULLSHIT FAKECLAIM

[GreyICE]

MME, how about you learn how to play this game, fuckwit

[GreyICE]

SPERGING

Okay. Must be confirmation bias, eh?


I claim, I'm scum. I don't claim, I'm scum. I wanted to avoid this, YOU wanted this.

I want you dead. I don't give a fucking shit about your claim.

[GreyICE]

Nice chainsawing, MME.

It's sad that you're town, because right now you're like the honorary fourth member.

[GreyICE]

Oh dear god, this is pathetic. "Oh me heartstrings, this might not even have been necessary, ohhhh woe is me, for I was forced to fakeclaim"

Slandaar, come back and fix your vote.

[GreyICE]

I'm not sure he's town, but I'm sure that wagon is/was full of crap.

Out of curiosity (and it's only that because I'm leaning towards conversation with you being somewhat pointless) have you like... read his ISO? I know we suggested it to you multiple times, but seriously, have you read it? It's hard to find crappier stuff in this town (although I'd give you some bonus points if you could find one of the other two - hint, it's not Rob although that's a mess).

I mean seriously, read the fucking thing.

Okay, so I'm at L-2 and no one reads what I post except GreyICE and he's rage-posting.

Look I'm always for D1 lynches as I've said before, barring the person screams townie. I have played 3 games before this one, all on a different sports-based website. I am a newb but I won't pull the "I'm a newb please don't kill me" although I admit I am still bad at this game on

both

sides. I've always been pro-D1 lynches because I think they're one of the best ways to get information the following day(s). So I won't fight the coming lynch too hard if the town/mafia (or GreyICE) deem it the best option available.

I get that and I'd be in favor of it especially if I was on the other side of the situation

(One of the people voting on the wagon).

It's weird though, we're on page 5 and I don't feel like too much has really been posted. Is there a way to change posts per page on this site, or is it universal for everyone?

Even he thinks he's a good lynch candidate. Look how much second guessing himself is going on. "Oh, I want to point out I'm a newbie so they don't lynch me... but I want to make sure it's not pulling the 'noob' card!" "I'm pro day-1 lynches because no lynching on day 1 is scummy, so I understand where everyone is coming from! Why I'd lynch me too!" "Wait, that's a shitty point to end on. Lets generally wave hands at 'the rest of the town' and try and get people to stall."

Oh, wanna discuss his voting record?

Yes, It is quite amazing how long the post is considering how little content it contains.

My main point was actually just trying to show that not a lot has happened. Then GreyICE responded with "jack shit has happened". Hell even FoD admits there isn't a lot of substance which was the whole point of that post.

There was something in there that did intrigue me: GreyICE asked goodfather why one of GF's town reads voted another town read. I don't think he answered that.

And...

unvote; vote: PeregrineV

[/quote]

First and last we hear of PV

First. And. Last.

Oh, shall we go on?

town
Goodfather
ICE

Peregrine

Slandaar
kabooooom!!!


null (or lynch lurkerzzzzz)
Rob
MME (lean: scum)
FoD
Natirasha
JJcool (lean: town)

Scum
Phok
Loot


Note: It is not uncommon for me to be way off base with my reads. Due to past games, I question my reads haha.

GUESS WHO HE'S VOTING AT THE TIME OF THIS POST, MME?

PEREGRINE

FUCKING

V

Town.


This is the ISO of a man who really cares where his vote is.

Explain this to me.

Well I had typed up a response, but it never went through. I probably hit preview and left the thread at some point, but basically there are a few posts by his that I like that give me good town vibes and that's pretty much it. He hasn't posted much other than that.

EBWOP: In the ^^ post I included

vote: My Milked Eek

but the first time I did it I guess I didn't submit the post.

Checking above, scum is Phok and loot. He votes... MME.


WHY DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU, MME?

Seriously, READ HIS FUCKING ISO

I am DISGUSTED that you are this disengaged with the game. You cannot even read the ISO of the primary lynch candidate.

Fucking fine. You want to be like that? Shut up and sheep me, and I'll tell you how to think. If you want to fucking think for yourself SHOW SOME SIGNS OF IT

[GreyICE]

unvote

vote: rob w

i want that guy lynched irrespective of his role!

Okay, you moved your vote from Natirasha to Rob W to join BJC.

Thoughts on his claim? His posts? The wagon? MME?

[GreyICE]

Wow, I actually think bjc is scum.

This is probably the best

Argument

In his favor

[GreyICE]

...

Seriously

Only off the claim?

[GreyICE]

So like, if the claim turned out to be true

You'd be like

"Oh I knew it all along"

Or not

'cause if you're only voting for shitty claim

Well

It was shitty shitty shitty horribleness

But really

[GreyICE]

Actually.

It was like radioactive shitty -_-

Fine you get a pass

[GreyICE]

I mean normally I hate "I'm voting because lol claim"

Because then when they flip town it's like "lol claim lol mod whatever"

But this claim. It's like. Oh look, you're a doctor. And a slightly different flavor of doctor with a roleblocker element. Both 1 shots of course.

You're not a Jack of All Trades. You're like a Jack of Two Flavors of One Trade.

It's nice neither of them involves giving us information, right

And the way it was claimed oh god. Oh. God.

[GreyICE]

Nah I'm not worried.

I've got this.

Seriously I am like.

The motherfucking Batman of Mafia.

[GreyICE]

is there any downside to lynching a lurker or lootifer and letting bjc live to day 3 (assuming he isn't NK'd)?

if he is town and night killed, well, it's better to have lynched someone useless and killed bjc than to have lynched bjc and let mafia kill someone not useless
if he is town and isn't night killed, then he got a chance to use his powers
if he is scum, he will be lynched anyway

Lootifier is a stupid lynch if we think BJC is scum. For obvious reasons.

Besides the option he's the Mafia Roleblocker, and the fact he gets to vote every single day, yeah.

Lynching a lurker gives us a likely town lynch compared to a likely scum lynch. Unless the lurker is Goodfather, who is scum, or Kaboom, who is scum, or Rob, who is useless.

[GreyICE]

Lootifier is a stupid lynch if we think BJC is scum. For obvious reasons.

I'm feeling extra stupid tonight. What obvious reasons?

If there are two competing wagons in a mini, and only one scum team

The wagons are never both on scum

While there was a lot of lurkers, there was significant resistance to the wagons moving around.

my rankings of lurkers in terms of scumminess:

phok
rob
kabooom - i have a gut read of kaboom as town, but its not justified, just gut

Come on man

This isn't town

Come on

[GreyICE]

vote: Rob W

I understand not being interested, but replace out. If you're just gonna drop in every once in a while to avoid being replaced, you aren't helping the town. You could also help contribute more.

unvote

vote: rob w

i want that guy lynched irrespective of his role!

My desire to lynch rob today, on the other hand, has dropped to sub-zero temperatures following these votes. It's like a polar vortex.

[GreyICE]

Vote Count 1.10

• bjc (4)
  : Flames of Disaster Natirasha JJcoolPants Lootifer
  
• Rob W (4)
  : The Goodfather bjc Slandaar kabooooom
  
• The Goodfather (1)
  : phokdapolees
  
• Lootifer (1)
  : Rob W
  
• PeregrineV (1)
  : GreyICE
  
• GreyICE (1)
  : My Milked Eek
  
• Not voting:
  PeregrineV

With 13 alive it is 7 to lynch.
Deadline is in (expired on 2014-02-02 12:00:00)

phokdapolees has been prodded.

What the fuck.

Seriously what the fuck.

My quote tags blow up and instead of fixing them you take that as a vote.

-_-

Vote: BJC

[GreyICE]

Hey lets discuss interesting facts.

This is in Post #378

that is how it stands now. frankly, i think that rob is l-2 or l-3 right now too, and i am more comfortable with that lynch tbh

This is in Post #394

i mostly just would feel bad for someone subbing into robw's slot and already having 4 or 5 votes on them. I also said i'm not comfortable with the bjc lynch. i think phok is a hardcore lurker, and he has contributed nothing. why let him skate by. if he is town, he should try to help the town.

It the same reason i voted robw, but he seems like he is being replaced. and subbing into a slot that is already l-2 or l-3 is pretty shitty in my estimation

This is post #337:

I should replaced, struggled to settle in, sorry for wasting your time guys. =/

So what really changed between the two? Townies expressed no desire to lynch Rob. Which is actually a legitimate reason to switch your vote!

But that's not the reason that Goodfather used.

Goodfather, when you ask after the game "how did Grey know I was scum?", well, it's many things and I've known for a while.

When you ask "how did he get the votes to lynch me?" these posts are going to feature rather heavily.

[GreyICE]

JJ

When I'm dead tomorrow.

Goodfather.

Kaboom.

[GreyICE]

Wait, you're claiming town bulletproof?

And why do you think BJC's claim is a bulletproof and a cop?

You think that, and it didn't cross your mind "oh my god, a town with two bulletproofs would be literally the dumbest setup ever"?

I mean like you think someone claimed your exact role (which he didn't, but we'll go back to that) and you're still lurker hunting? You don't even quiz him about this?

Jesus fucking Christ. I don't even know what to say to that idea.

Oh, and BJC did NOT claim bulletproof and cop, he claimed doctor and jailkeeper. He's the primary lynch wagon and I feel like you haven't even read his posts.

[GreyICE]

oh thats my bad, i must have been thinking of another game. I should make a note not to multitask in the future. i thought i could juggle multiple games at once, but thats obv not working out so well.

i know my claim is true. I know it is only helpful as it may prevent a night kill, but now all of the scummy people will vote for me since they can't kill me at night.

be grateful that you'll at least find scum on my wagon when i flip bp town.

Halp I am drowning

in AtE

So anyway, you were saying that BJC's claim was obvious bullshit?

[GreyICE]

It means you have a Red Role PM

And are probably planning on killing me

You bastard

[GreyICE]

Rob W has been prodded.
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Rob W and The Goodfather has been prodded.[/color]

Rob W and My Milked Eek has been prodded.
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Activity Rules

1. If a player goes 48 real life hours without posting, I will prod them. Prods will be announced in thread.
2. If a player does not respond to their prod within 24 real life hours, or is prodded three times in total within the game, I will seek a replacement.

Enough. E. Fucking. Nough.

This is three times within DAY ONE. Not "the game." Day fucking 1.

I think I speak for literally EVERY OTHER PLAYER IN THE GAME when I say "just replace him, fuck him showing up for another 1 liner and then getting prodded again."

[GreyICE]

Oh yeah, and Rob? Not playing with you for a year. This was pathetic. At least flake in a dignified manner.

[GreyICE]

Natirasha has requested replacement and I am looking for one now.

This, on the other hand, makes no sense whatsoever. OTOH Natirasha is experienced enough and active enough on site I can only believe she became compromised in some manner.

Fucking A

Natirasha, sucks, I'll miss you.

[GreyICE]

Slandaar, I take back all my negative comments. You are a hero to the people.

[GreyICE]

Goodfather is bulletproof. If his claim is 100% legit, what does that say?

Vote: Slandaar

[GreyICE]

Do I think you're cheeky enough to mock me with how little you are doing?

Yes

[GreyICE]

Wow I've been called useless by Slandaar

It's like getting a review

From the expert

[GreyICE]

Yes I admit voting your scumbuddies during RVS

Then never addressing them for half the day

And posting lots of faces

And saying GF was at L-1

And never addressing them

And then letting unvoting to make sure they weren't hammered while they were claim stalling. By moving your vote onto the Rob wagon.

And then finally hammering them when it was fucking inevitable they would die

And still never addressing them. Until holes in the horrible claim were evident to everyone. Including scum hoping their buddy was not an utter moron

Gives you lots of town points

In stupidland.

[GreyICE]

Your ISO is like a wasteland of intellectual thought, a graveyard of ideas. I don't think it passes the Turing Test.

[GreyICE]

Okay fine -_-

The Goodfather is still bulletproof. I'm a 1-shot Vig, so do you put bulletproof scum in a town with a 1-shot Vig?

I mean do we assume the moderator is that much of a fucking bastard?

Vote: My Milked Eek

[GreyICE]

Oh I agree that Goodfather is scummy. I didn't deliver him a lead sandwich because I liked his play. I've kind of been planning on it since everyone decided that his wagon was on "newbie town" instead of newbie scum, and bulletproof just made it certain.

But I mean 1-shot vig is a fairly bad role. Usually it just costs the town a lynch (oh I shot someone, now we have an even number, so we get 3 mislynches to LyLo instead of 4). Tossing in a scum bulletproof? I mean that takes a role that is fairly anti-town and makes it REALLY anti-town. I mean you're not even rewarded for hitting scum.

If I assume the moderator is a complete asshole, then I could buy it. I dunno. If I ignore "mod WIFOM" and just focus on play, he really is a scummy player. And the random Bulletproof claim feels like he's under severe pressure. There's no reason for him to be under pressure there unless he was feeling the pressure ON HIS TEAM not on himself personally.

*sigh*

But he's still bulletproof

I dunno.

PEdit: I never breadcrumb vig.

[GreyICE]

Is a conundrum

I honestly thought there was a 75% chance we'd have a second scum flip today.

[GreyICE]

Okay fine -_-

The Goodfather is still bulletproof. I'm a 1-shot Vig, so do you put bulletproof scum in a town with a 1-shot Vig?

I mean do we assume the moderator is that much of a fucking bastard?

Vote: My Milked Eek

Stop being lazy. (Imagine that! Coming from me! Ha!)

In what universe would I not just bus a simple goon who was so heavily suspected? Or ignore him?

Well so far your contributions to the game are chainsawing for scum.

And...

Um...

Oh no wait, that was the comprehensive list.

[GreyICE]

I am sorry about the fuckwit comment by the way. I was assuming that you were a town player who had actually read his ISO and couldn't find any reason to vote him.

It's so very much harder to read your buddy's ISO and come up with good commentary on that, because the fact that they're scum flavors every word you read.

[GreyICE]

@everyone i need your views today about Flames of Disaster

100% scum

I knew it all along

[GreyICE]

Oh wow

Dat feigned ignorance

[GreyICE]

Vote Respalt

[GreyICE]

Bah you're town.

Unvote

I'm seriously at a loss for direction

All of my instincts are screaming that Goodfather is not town. Except for the fact that A) I'm alive and B) he's bulletproof. While night kill WIFOM is a lazy thing, Flames is the shot of scum who is fairly confident that despite lynching BJC the town is moving in a bad direction. Flames was the first on BJC, generally considered town, and therefore was clearly a shot of someone who was more worried about a reasonable, level-headed townie being alive than a loud one.

'kay, time for a review.

[GreyICE]

Ignoring Goodfather, and moving in order:

Lootifier

BJC flipping goon makes me wonder. Honestly, looking at the wagon, we had most of the same people on both wagons. While he did apply pressure, he did so with outs. But then again he's committed, making sure my vote stays on the wagon. He keeps probing me with the Renault question (answer: I have no good reads, sorry man). I don't feel he interacted much with BJC, but BJC's major crime was not interacting much with people. At all. Just these walls of posts, which Renault's first post reminded me of (note: it's a neutral post. It's entirely possible Renault prepared it before he got his role PM, and thus would be made without even his role information to inform him, a truly neutral reading). That being said, Renault has followed that up by being pretty kickass. My reading on Natirasha was never better than null, but her admitting that her vote on BJC was a YOLOVOTE does win some town points (why do that on a buddy? Without removing it?)

Peregrine V

This is an interesting place. This feels a bit like coaching/checking if your scumbuddy is a potato. And then this post feels a lot like concluding your scumbuddy is a potato. He unvoted for the MME entrance, which was BJC's last big chance to live.

And oddly, BJC voted him for no reason, and then listed him as a town read. That implies that BJC, despite playing around PV's questions, was very interested in how to interact with PV.

Unless my read reveals something very interesting, this is where my vote is going.

JJcoolPants

Thou shalt not question the mayor of townsville

Zekrom25

Huh! Apparently Zekrom is Natirasha, and Renault is Rob. OOOOOPS. I had that backwards. Apologies Renault, I had a town read on Rob from the number of people shoveling shit at him.

Oh well.

His posting is kind of crappy, but as I said I have a town read on Natirasha, and it's not scummy, just not very good. I kind of want to see more, because my town read on Natirasha was very weak (experienced players interact more naturally than inexperienced ones, but I think Natirasha is the sort of town player who is better on day 3 than day 1 anyway, so).

Slandaar

10/10 would lynch

MME

Lurking... I AM THE HERO THAT BJC DESERVES!

Then... lurking.

Would you drink the wine in front of you? OR BURN YOUR SHITTY WINE BOTTLES TO THE GROUND

Still would vote

Kabooooom!

I feel like Mastin's warning that new players are not necessarily either new to mafia (they play on other sites) or bad players even if they're new to the game. I feel like I deserve to see one Boomy post that doesn't give me a fucking headache. I feel like he's playing his own little game, and the rest of us are somewhere else. That's odd. I dunno.

phokdapolees

Eight whole posts. Woop.

He votes BJC early for the same reasons Slandaar does, gets annoyed at GF's softclaim bullshit (which is scummy as FUCK) and pushes the BJC wagon along. I dunno. They're eight pretty decent posts for 1 liners.

Vote: Peregrine V

[GreyICE]

Ignoring Goodfather, and moving in order:

Lootifier

BJC flipping goon makes me wonder. Honestly, looking at the wagon, we had most of the same people on both wagons. While he did apply pressure, he did so with outs. But then again he's committed, making sure my vote stays on the wagon. He keeps probing me with the Renault question (answer: I have no good reads, sorry man). I don't feel he interacted much with BJC, but BJC's major crime was not interacting much with people. At all. Just these walls of posts, which Renault's first post reminded me of (note: it's a neutral post. It's entirely possible Renault prepared it before he got his role PM, and thus would be made without even his role information to inform him, a truly neutral reading). That being said, Renault has followed that up by being pretty kickass. My reading on Natirasha was never better than null, but her admitting that her vote on BJC was a YOLOVOTE does win some town points (why do that on a buddy? Without removing it?)

Peregrine V

This is an interesting place. This feels a bit like coaching/checking if your scumbuddy is a potato. And then this post feels a lot like concluding your scumbuddy is a potato. He unvoted for the MME entrance, which was BJC's last big chance to live.

And oddly, BJC voted him for no reason, and then listed him as a town read. That implies that BJC, despite playing around PV's questions, was very interested in how to interact with PV.

Unless my read reveals something very interesting, this is where my vote is going.

JJcoolPants

Thou shalt not question the mayor of townsville

Zekrom25

Huh! Apparently Zekrom is Natirasha, and Renault is Rob. OOOOOPS. I had that backwards. Apologies Renault, I had a town read on Rob from the number of people shoveling shit at him.

Oh well.

His posting is kind of crappy, but as I said I have a town read on Natirasha, and it's not scummy, just not very good. I kind of want to see more, because my town read on Natirasha was very weak (experienced players interact more naturally than inexperienced ones, but I think Natirasha is the sort of town player who is better on day 3 than day 1 anyway, so).

Slandaar

10/10 would lynch

MME

Lurking... I AM THE HERO THAT BJC DESERVES!

Then... lurking.

Would you drink the wine in front of you? OR BURN YOUR SHITTY WINE BOTTLES TO THE GROUND

Still would vote

Kabooooom!

I feel like Mastin's warning that new players are not necessarily either new to mafia (they play on other sites) or bad players even if they're new to the game. I feel like I deserve to see one Boomy post that doesn't give me a fucking headache. I feel like he's playing his own little game, and the rest of us are somewhere else. That's odd. I dunno.

phokdapolees

Eight whole posts. Woop.

He votes BJC early for the same reasons Slandaar does, gets annoyed at GF's softclaim bullshit (which is scummy as FUCK) and pushes the BJC wagon along. I dunno. They're eight pretty decent posts for 1 liners.

Vote: Peregrine V

[GreyICE]

I like your reads @GreyICE. Why leaving me out?

... btw, i thought of a brilliant idea...

VOTE: GoodFather

watch my wagon for newbs...

Like, you're the closest thing to confirmed town, because the two scenarios where you're scum are that I'm scum or that the moderator fucking hates me and gave me a role designed to hurt the town (I guess that I'm roleblocked, but that seems unlikely). So your chances of being lynched today are pretty much zero.

And you choose to do this.

Fucking goddamn it, I want to lynch you. I am the one person who knows for a fact you're bulletproof, and I want to lynch you.

In what way is this behavior helping the town?

[GreyICE]

GreyICE, I have pretty similar views to you on the game. A couple of things though - my name is Respalt - as in respawn + alt. I'm not super antsy about what people call me, but I had no idea who Renault was when reading your posts until half way through.
Secondly - have you read my stuff? Because if you read my wagon analysis, I'm pretty confused as to how you thought I was anyone other than RobW's replacement - I write that multiple times.
Thirdly - I think we have a lot of common ground in where we think scum are.

Oh sorry. I'm terrible with names at the best of times, and tend to go from memory rather than looking things up.

As for your replace in walls, I never read those. I don't want you to take that personally (seriously!), it's that they're usually prepared prior to having any involvement with the game, and often prior to even receiving your role PM. They're often highly misleading - scum who replace in can have an awesome post, but be unable to follow up their suspicions properly because of the knowledge of their buddies - but the strength of that awesome post can carry them quite far. Frankly I consider them a mild scum tell - they're a way to look useful without particularly saying much, more or less recapping a day I've already read. That being said, it's a

mild

scumtell, and your play has been otherwise great (and, as I said, I have no particular scum feelings about Rob - any bad feelings are more his play than his alignment).

[GreyICE]

Hey man, look, sorry your scumbuddy was ass. It sucks, and it happens to everyone sometimes. Honestly I thought you played pretty well.

[GreyICE]

Vote PV. Take a nap. Get better soon.

[GreyICE]

@GreyICE, you seemed somewhat convinced about P5's alignment, can you elaborate on that at all

This post right here where I did my review.

While PV's tone has been very reasonable, his actions around the bjc wagon were exactly what I'd expect of someone prodding a scumbuddy. EXACTLY. Seriously look how he prods BJC for content (and potentially new wagons), votes him when BJC doesn't provide anything resembling content, then unvotes BJC when MME comes in on his white horse, armor shining.

BJC's treatment of PV is similarly weird, voting him for seemingly no reason, and then listing him as town. It's a huge discrepancy in his post logs, seriously one of the stranger things in the entire game.

One, more experienced player, testing the waters to see if he needed to bus his buddy, and strategically lurking. One less experienced player, trying to give his buddy some town cred as he's going down.

It fits to a T. Let us do this thing.

[GreyICE]

Vote: phokdapolees

No

This is a crappy vote

Vote PV please

[GreyICE]

Why vote PV? I want a scum lynch.

Plus voting Phok is a waste of time. Convince a majority of us to lynch him. Or ignore him. Putting pressure on him will not suddenly make him post an acceptable amount.

[GreyICE]

Yes

My review was awesome

That's why we're voting PV

Slandaar is just being hipster. He won't vote for him unless its a hammer vote or something because that's how hipster Slandaar roles. He must be first or last to the wagon.

[GreyICE]

He is toaster

He is very good toaster

My win condition doesn't involve lynching toasters

But it is fun

[GreyICE]

I'm willing to contribute, especially if FoD chills the fuck out, but shit, look where we're at now.

So I ask: Do we just put a wagon on someone like MME (who's posted 3 or 4 times?)

or someone that seems scummy? My bet's on lootifer, especially with all the "Hey look content" stuff. I just take that as his persona though.

vote: Rob W

I understand not being interested, but replace out. If you're just gonna drop in every once in a while to avoid being replaced, you aren't helping the town. You could also help contribute more.

So...... I see we have regressed. That's great! /sarcasm.

UNVOTE:

People I am okay with lynching:
-Rob
-Lootifer
-Phok
-FoD

Hey PV.

You note how your name never appeared in the lurker list?

3.

PeregrineV

***
9.

My Milked Eek

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11.

phokdapolees

***
13.

Respalt

Rob W

Interesting facts, neh?

[GreyICE]

Grey; scum don't forget about their buddies. If that were a lurker list, his lurker buddies would be there.

I'd point out he didn't forget about his buddy. Like many newbie scum, he was uncomfortable and didn't know how to properly classify his buddy.

That's why you get crap like this:

And...

unvote; vote: PeregrineV

town
Goodfather
ICE
Peregrine
Slandaar
kabooooom!!!

Seriously why are you basing your opinion off the idea that BJC was playing well when we lynched him day 1?

[GreyICE]

VOTE: PV #L-1swag

I would also be fine with a zekrom wagon, if that were to come about

Out of curiosity, why would you be fine with this? What elements of his play make you think he's scum? Or is it Natirasha?

[GreyICE]

No, actually, y'know what? You're town. I know you're town. You're voting PV.

I'm fine with this.

[GreyICE]

Fuck you toaster.

Unvote

Fine.

There will be no accidental derphammers.

This town is kinda like that.

[GreyICE]

He's posting on site.

Hey guess what folks? I said claim stalling was scummy. It was, wasn't it?

There's a lesson there. Don't let scum blackmail you. Don't have cute little rules and conventions and limitations, don't restrict yourself to the conventional. Don't let scum dictate the pace of the game.

Vote: PV

This is a town with MME. With Kabooom. With Lootifier.

None of them are voting PV. Any of them could hammer. I'm juuuuuuuuuuusssttt fine with that.

[GreyICE]

I don't want motherfucking patience. I WANT BLOOD

[GreyICE]

PATIENCE DOES NOT BRING ME BLOOD

IT JUST ENCOURAGES THE LURKERS

IT TELLS THEM "NO YOUR BEHAVIOR IS OKAY LOOK WE ARE FINE SITTING AROUND WAITING FOR YOU WITH OUR THUMBS UP OUR ASS, NO REALLY THAT'S JUST WHAT WE DO FOR FUN"

BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[GreyICE]

I WANNA KILL

I WANT BLOOD AND GORE AND VEINS IN MY TEETH

I WANNA KILL

KILL

KILL!

[GreyICE]

Hmmm.

I've been considering this. Would PV claim VT as scum here? I don't see why. It's not likely to derail the lynch.

Meh, I liked this yesterday. Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Vote: Lootifier

that last post

was radioactive

[GreyICE]

I would be so many levels of okay with an MME lynch. The entirity of his content is chainsawing for scum.

[GreyICE]

The argument that PV isn't scum because he claimed VT, which would be unlikely to stop his lynch, is just wifom, therefore I am content with my vote where it is

Every single thing in every game of Mafia ever is wifom, except for power role results. It's a game of wifom.

[GreyICE]

Is Slandaar anti-town and arrogant enough to softclaim a PR result on someone because he doesn't believe that they're scum?

Sure. He's a motherfucking toaster. I have been treating his bs thing as his personal read and not some power role.

We don't lynch people for being anti-town motherfuckers, we lynch them for being scum. I'm still on the fence about PV, but frankly I'm willing to follow Slandaar here because the results are interesting, and I didn't like Lootifier day 1 (bjc managed to upgrade himself to "worse" but that took some effort)

[GreyICE]

TBH I feel like if we lynch PeregrineV, Lootifier, MME and Phok the game will most likely be over. Like maaaybe Zekrom, but that's way out there. Lootifier has not been as active day 2 as he was day 1 (and that's not saying much) and a lot of his content has come AFTER the wagons formed, not as they were forming. That doesn't feel particularly town motivated.

[GreyICE]

Calls for replacement are alignment neutral. They're vaguely pro-town mumblings that don't get anyone lynched.

Don't think they are alignment tells.

[GreyICE]

hey waht's up?

anyone want to give me a summary or somekthing?

Your slot is the next best thing to confirmed town.

Vote Lootifier.

Although if you wanna vote PV or MME or even Phok I won't complain

[GreyICE]

No, MME, I do not understand your point of view and actions.

But as I expected, you are here like Pavlov's dog, conditioned to come running as soon as someone threatened to lynch him, but otherwise content to lurk up a storm.

I understand mistakes. I understand bad play. What I don't understand is why you, as a townie, would lurk except when we lynched scum or when I threaten to lynch you. Because these are the only things that seem to cause you to start posting.

[GreyICE]

As for my appearances: Coincidence. And I don't recall you asking for my lynch before I posted (RL) yesterday. I only recall you unvoting. Stop twisting the context of my latest appearance to your case.

Also you, alone, can't lynch me. I'm not afraid of getting lynched, I'm just annoyed by the mudslinging and level of stubbornness in your play. Which, as said, reminds me of scum play. I'm almost using the same words I used in the last game scum did this: you're lacking basic empathy skills.

I'm still waiting for an explanation why I wouldn't just lynch bjc, ignore his wagon or continue to lurk. Tell me why you think it's more credible that I wouldn't be able to recognize the lynch of a "scumbuddy" than that I thought the wagon on him was crap? Explain to me why just bussing him wasn't the easier solution? Do you think that I couldn't see that he was going to be lynched? And if so, do you think I can't foresee what would happen if my "scumbuddy" was lynched after me "defending him"?

I remember you saying "so you could make this argument today", that sounded _really_ rehearsed you know. Not to mention an oversimplification of what it happened. I expect better of you.

And a quote to round things off:

I understand mistakes. I understand bad play.

No you don't. If you're even half the scumhunter you portray yourself to be (which is still quite a lot), you would.

You're sticking Slandaar's words in my mouth. Interesting you don't seem to want to pursue him over it, only whine at me like an irritating little infant. It's called scumplaining, and you seem to be doing it.

As for why not bussing him is the easier solution, what's the downside? If it works (and bjc certainly seemed to think there was a chance it would) you save your scumbuddy. You get a lynch on RobW, you can night kill someone who was pushing BJC, you have the town better in hand. Day 1 scum lynch, makes everything harder. You're down a scum, your buddy could be someone like Phok or Loot who you have no confidence in, you're on the edge. And if it doesn't work? "Only town would defend scum that hard! Even though I wasn't really defending him, I was just attacking GreyICE! Which served to take the focus away from bjc's play entirely, which hopefully would cause the town to move, and I can say that I never really read him."

As for your posting patterns being coincidence? Really? You really think anyone wants you alive in LyLo? Anyone at all?

Nah. You're better off dead a hell of a long way before LyLo.

[GreyICE]

I did. Duh.

[GreyICE]

Goodfather

[GreyICE]

Anti

I really don't like Lootifier

But I will hammer PV

Both need to die, y/n?

[GreyICE]

I don't think it's particularly likely.

As for him not being dead we lynched BJC man. You can't complain too hard about that.

[GreyICE]

I mean if they are both scum, hmmm.

It means we're the gods of Mafia. And PV's "Self preservation" vote on Lootifier could be an attempt to make them more townie.

I dunno, if they are it's the most screwed scumteam in the history of screwed scumteams.

[GreyICE]

you could have ended it, man

YOU COULD HAVE ENDED IT

but you and your goddman OCD about even numbers and testing goodfathers claim....

IT'S MATH

I cost the town a lynch. I cost the town a lynch! I can just start a wagon on the people I wanna kill. And with Goodfather confirmed bulletproof, fuck, they have a confirmed BP townie for the rest of the game.

I mean if I was a full vig I'd have shot Lootifier with the justice of a thousand suns and laughed my way to the bank.

[GreyICE]

WELL I FEEL SAD

BECAUSE I WANT MORE BULLETS

YES IT TURNS OUT BEING A 1-SHOT VIG IS NOT FUN

[GreyICE]

Also this would be one of my derpier scum gambits, were it actually one. I mean I'd have to bet my game on the Goodfather actually claiming his role correctly and not being fakeclaiming. Meh whatever you can mislynch me day 5 if this fucking thing is still ongoing and I'm still alive, because I think the odds of that are hilariously low.

[GreyICE]

how has like no one else posted in 24 hours?

Scum are so content with the PV lynch

[GreyICE]

I mean unless it really is PV/Loot, at which point it's like lol

[GreyICE]

prod dodge and stuff

tbh, I don't really have anything to add

...and you didn't shoot this guy, Grey?

/ugh

Trust me, there's a long list of people who deserve bullets in this town.

He's like not even the top of the list.

It's like, board gaming, there's a class of player nicknamed "observer". They're not there for strategy, they're not there to engage in fights with others, they're not there for a duel of wits, or to do something nifty, or to enjoy the mechanics. They're there for the story of the game, the company, the little vignettes they get out of playing.

That's Phok. He's just here to observe the game. He's not insulted when we find him scummy because he knows his play is objectively horrific. He's not even really certain how to play mafia well, he's just here to watch us.

'tis frustrating, but I think he'd actually feel worse about his shittastic play if he was scum. Doesn't mean we should forgive him though, because NO ONE who has played a game like he has deserves to win.

[GreyICE]

so little content in 2 days... i am partly to blame i suppose. From what i can tell, pv is l-1 and lootifer is l-3.

anithero and grey, why the disagreement about who to lynch today? you both seem to suspect them both iirc

On the balance, I think Lootifier is scummier. I hated his play day 1. PV claimed VT in a "oh well, if you lynch me you lynch me, I understand my play isn't great" way. That feels more town. Lootifier, otoh, lurks when pressured, and generally produces more noise than content (this post is an excellent example of a noise post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5632384). Lootifier was quick to call bjc scum, and slow with his vote, PV was quick with his vote, and quick to withdraw it when it looked like bjc had a shot.

Look, it's not like a town read is getting lynched either way today.

[GreyICE]

@Grey what are your opinions ?

The fuck is this question?

The fuck?

[GreyICE]

Zekrom, you're scum aren't you?

[GreyICE]

Lootifier/Zekrom.

100% calling it.

[GreyICE]

Zekrom, you're scum aren't you?

100% Town

Then what sort of question is "what are your opinions"?

Like is there one point during this game where I've been shy about sharing my opinions? Like... ever?

[GreyICE]

Why not PV slandaar? I'd like to hear your reasoning.

It is just too easy and I find it unlikely if he were scum FoD dies n1 over Grey and myself to some degree.

Lootifer is the vote today, he

is

scum.

I think scum anticipated I'd be pushing Goodfather today.

[GreyICE]

This is the day of the mass claim. Slaandar, antihero, agreed?

[GreyICE]

Strict popcorn. Player claims, picks strongest scumread, and so on.

No discussing claims until after mass claim.

[GreyICE]

Alright then.

Phok+Kaboom, both of you claim and pick in next post.

One person too slow due to lurkers.

[GreyICE]

Alternatively I would be okay with Goodfather dictating the order, since he's virtually confirmed town (even if you think my vig shot was a gambit, there's not enough scum left for him to be my buddy).

[GreyICE]

PV claimed VT.

[GreyICE]

Claim

[GreyICE]

Cool.

MME claims, then Antihero and Slandaar. Antihero and Slandaar are virtual confirmed town (or toaster)

[GreyICE]

howww the hell can this be our only prs?

This is insane

[GreyICE]

Like. 1-shot vig is crappy. Bulletproof is crappy.

Maybe if it was two goons and an encryptor. Maybe.

[GreyICE]

Slandaar has to have something nice. I'm hoping jailkeeper because obvious win is obvious

[GreyICE]

I mean it'd STILL be scumsided. But closer.

[GreyICE]

Well the other alternative is one of our townies is lying. And frankly, there's exactly zero of them I would believe if they suddenly developed a power role after massclaim.

[GreyICE]

I mean besides Innocent Child, but I'm the only one who thinks that role is hilariously cool.

[GreyICE]

If this setup legit contains a Godfather when the town has jack shit I will flip out at some set of reviewers. Add on to the fact I feel RobW was really the whipping boy for the scumteam (he site flaked guys, that's not a scumtell) and I'm quite comfortable.

Slandaar - Town
Respalt - Town
GreyICE - Town
Goodfather - Town

If there truly is a hidden doctor out there, everything changes, but I can't see a cop+doctor setup WITHOUT a roleblocker. Actually I can't see a cop+doctor setup passing review - I've seen a day 1 roleblocker lynch literally end the game in a shower of "follow the cop"

I'm willing to throw Antihero onto the town pile for JJ's reads, and for the fact Antihero switching was pretty key to lynching Lootifier over PV. Scum doesn't have a strong motive to do that if they don't know the PRs.

That leaves us with:

PV
My Milked Eek
kabooom
Phok
Zekrom

Which one of these people is likely to have derp no-killed?

PEdit: You really feel that strongly that Respalt is the likely third?

[GreyICE]

Also Slandaar:

Sorry guys, work and training (lol no Slandaar, not skating ) is kicking my arse. I dont have a lot of time to answer your questions properly MME but basically those two posts of Slandaar and FoD make a good argument as far as I am concerned, and, as I have previously mentioned, I feel post 171 is fabricated rather than genuine.

Rob W is continuing to be less than useless; but hopefully he forgets to post and we get a more useful and active replacement.

VOTE: bjc

That's L-1.

Aww how sweet.

I dunno if Lootifier is taking potshots at his own scumbuddy there (I think being legit disgusted with how bad Rob is playing is a null tell) but that's what Rob is responding to.

[GreyICE]

Anyway, explain later, but my primary 3 are PV, MME, and Zekrom.

[GreyICE]

Actually, let me just throw this out there.

Vote: Zekrom

I think he hammered his own buddy.

[GreyICE]

I know. My mini normal (Innocent Child, odd night vig, even night jailkeeper bodyguard vs. Watcher+Encryptor+Goon) I kept getting told that the scum needed a roleblocker. To block two power roles that were gated.

This site really has a horrible mindset for designing setups. I wish I knew if Hoopla reviewed this, it'd answer the question of whether or not a godfather is reasonable.

Anyway, w/e, if I lose to a stealth godfather so be it. There's really enough people in this town who need lynching.

Pedit: the fuck? I'm one of the town's three power roles. If you think this passed review with a bulletproof and a cop you're smoking something.

[GreyICE]

Yeah well, I don't know what the last scum role is. There's nothing to prove your claim and the no kill last night might point to you using a no-kill gambit and just banking on there being a protective role.

Man, if I'm scum, then your town power role list is Bulletproof+Cop. I mean assume I'm a fucking Goon, that STILL doesn't fly on the mini normal list.

Also seriously, chart the events day 1. After the Goodfather wagon, I moved to the bjc wagon following JJ, then started a wagon on Lootifier when that was stalling, then moved back to the bjc wagon when that picked up speed.

There's bussing, but that's just sociopathic.

[GreyICE]

I'm gonna beat u

[GreyICE]

Also Slandaar said that, not me.

[GreyICE]

And Slandaar is like hyper confirmed town, because there's no way in fucking hell our town power roles are a bulletproof and a 1-shot vig. Not unless there's only two scum, and we've ruled that possibility out.

PEdit: Meh, I already got my "shoot the moon" scum victory in Marketplace Mafia (when even the mod told me he'd eat his hat if I won the game). If I was scum we'd have lynched Phok, Rob W, and Zekrom, and I'd be pushing MME a lot harder for that ridiculous... whatever that was. Lynch bad townies, bus when necessary, you'll win 80% of your normals playing like that. Save funny stuff for themes.

[GreyICE]

To make that very argument today.

Glad we solved that mystery.

[GreyICE]

Kaboom is a quality vote too.

Actually I'm changing my MME suspicions over to Kaboom. I liked him for BJC's buddy day 1, then in the doldrums of day 2 kinda forgot about him.

He seems to have petered out on this game 2. And the thing is, he was hyper-excited early. And hyper excited town is pretty much over the moon after we nail two scum.

[GreyICE]

OTOH watching one buddy get wagoned, the second one get lynched, suspicion land on you, and then your second buddy goes "blam" on day 2 with a lightning wagon that was literally started by one guy saying "vote lootifier" and the rest of us saying "baaaa" and voting him (yes there's actually a reason I'll randomly sheep town reads if I don't trust my own reads) that's demoralizing.

[GreyICE]

OTOH watching one buddy get wagoned, the second one get lynched, suspicion land on you, and then your second buddy goes "blam" on day 2 with a lightning wagon that was literally started by one guy saying "vote lootifier" and the rest of us saying "baaaa" and voting him (yes there's actually a reason I'll randomly sheep town reads if I don't trust my own reads) that's demoralizing.

[GreyICE]

Oooh such fun! I see its my turn to stand in front of the GreyICE firing squad.

Well best I start with the promised content before JJ and Grey explode with an overload of group-think (and to be fair I

did

promise material):

My problem with Kaboom is primarily due to his suspicion of GF, which is based on my town-read of GF. As a fellow newbie I have gone through his (GF's) exact thought process every time pressure has come on (in fact one such example happened not 5 minutes ago): the temptation to roll over and say "fuck it" (see: 36) is a strong one, and him doing so struck me as a genuine, rather than fabricated, reaction. As such Kabooms case, which is fairly elaborate, stood out as odd. The merits of Kaboom vs. GF in my mind were further emphasised by two experienced players coming out and reading town on GF - I am assuming there's at least

some

genuine town-aligned advice in there.

Next I have a confession: I didn't (at the time) have anything meaningful on FoD. I had a gut feel, and it was to do with "sheeping" - I immediately associated sheeping with scum. I have since come to realise that sheeping isn't necessarily scummy behavior, and when you just roll out with it openly you can hardly use that as an argument for scummyness (WIFOM).

Since then I have been getting a gut read building on FoD, but nothing I feel is worth reporting on. And in case you hadn't realised by now I am not very assertive with my early reads: this is an intended passive style, not everyone suits the "YOU'RE SCUM, DIE MOTHER FUCKER" style of play.

Last but not least bjc. I am reading him as scum, but unfortunately I think it's 80% to do with being influenced by the cases put forth by other people and 20% my own thought. I kind of see what other people are seeing in his posts, but I am having to admit to myself that I didn't see it first pass. Though 171 is useful: To me that is a good counter example of what I mean as a fabricated example of rolling over and saying "fuck it" (cf. GF's genuine version).

Now moving on:

Regarding JJ I really don't feel the need to revise my wariness of him. He posts a lot, and he doesn't seem to have made any scum-slips. But does that really make him Mr Town 2014? I wouldn't have thought so. If anyone deserves a prize for being Mr Town 2014 its you. You have been incessant in your proverbial knives to throats.

So overall my current status: I would be ok with a lynch on bjc, though i'd be opposed to cutting short the time we have available for further scum-hunting by lynching him immediately. I'd like to see some pressure on Kaboom. I'd oppose lynches on GreyICE and GF, and likely oppose a lynch on JJ (certainly D1 anyway). Anything else isn't worth the paper its written on (apart from my aforementioned dislike/suspicion of Rob W, but as you rightly point out it doesn't look like we'll see him again - if he does come back I would, obviously, like to get some answers).

@ JJ: I don't like to throw out confident town/scum assertions on D1. To me D1 is simply hoping for scum slips and/or using your experience to read players you've played with before. Being analytical and tentative is all I have on D1 since I lack the ability to contribute in other ways.

VOTE: Kaboooooom

lurking- check!

trying to blend- check!

trying to be friendly- check!

diverting attention- check!

ah!! You are perfect for a scum! Congrats!

btw, my thoughts on gm were my own and independent of other players!
also, when you pressure someone by saying you want to pressure, it doesn't work!

side note: there are 5 O's in my name! Not 6!!

Hmmmm.

This makes them a really weird scumteam.

Just distancing?

[GreyICE]

Oooh such fun! I see its my turn to stand in front of the GreyICE firing squad.

Well best I start with the promised content before JJ and Grey explode with an overload of group-think (and to be fair I

did

promise material):

My problem with Kaboom is primarily due to his suspicion of GF, which is based on my town-read of GF. As a fellow newbie I have gone through his (GF's) exact thought process every time pressure has come on (in fact one such example happened not 5 minutes ago): the temptation to roll over and say "fuck it" (see: 36) is a strong one, and him doing so struck me as a genuine, rather than fabricated, reaction. As such Kabooms case, which is fairly elaborate, stood out as odd. The merits of Kaboom vs. GF in my mind were further emphasised by two experienced players coming out and reading town on GF - I am assuming there's at least

some

genuine town-aligned advice in there.

Next I have a confession: I didn't (at the time) have anything meaningful on FoD. I had a gut feel, and it was to do with "sheeping" - I immediately associated sheeping with scum. I have since come to realise that sheeping isn't necessarily scummy behavior, and when you just roll out with it openly you can hardly use that as an argument for scummyness (WIFOM).

Since then I have been getting a gut read building on FoD, but nothing I feel is worth reporting on. And in case you hadn't realised by now I am not very assertive with my early reads: this is an intended passive style, not everyone suits the "YOU'RE SCUM, DIE MOTHER FUCKER" style of play.

Last but not least bjc. I am reading him as scum, but unfortunately I think it's 80% to do with being influenced by the cases put forth by other people and 20% my own thought. I kind of see what other people are seeing in his posts, but I am having to admit to myself that I didn't see it first pass. Though 171 is useful: To me that is a good counter example of what I mean as a fabricated example of rolling over and saying "fuck it" (cf. GF's genuine version).

Now moving on:

Regarding JJ I really don't feel the need to revise my wariness of him. He posts a lot, and he doesn't seem to have made any scum-slips. But does that really make him Mr Town 2014? I wouldn't have thought so. If anyone deserves a prize for being Mr Town 2014 its you. You have been incessant in your proverbial knives to throats.

So overall my current status: I would be ok with a lynch on bjc, though i'd be opposed to cutting short the time we have available for further scum-hunting by lynching him immediately. I'd like to see some pressure on Kaboom. I'd oppose lynches on GreyICE and GF, and likely oppose a lynch on JJ (certainly D1 anyway). Anything else isn't worth the paper its written on (apart from my aforementioned dislike/suspicion of Rob W, but as you rightly point out it doesn't look like we'll see him again - if he does come back I would, obviously, like to get some answers).

@ JJ: I don't like to throw out confident town/scum assertions on D1. To me D1 is simply hoping for scum slips and/or using your experience to read players you've played with before. Being analytical and tentative is all I have on D1 since I lack the ability to contribute in other ways.

VOTE: Kaboooooom

lurking- check!

trying to blend- check!

trying to be friendly- check!

diverting attention- check!

ah!! You are perfect for a scum! Congrats!

btw, my thoughts on gm were my own and independent of other players!
also, when you pressure someone by saying you want to pressure, it doesn't work!

side note: there are 5 O's in my name! Not 6!!

Hmmmm.

This makes them a really weird scumteam.

Just distancing?

[GreyICE]

I mean if I were Lootifier, I'd know that even if the wagon on me collapsed, it'd just restart the wagon on bjc (exactly like it did). Kabooooom looks like a good target for a random wagon.

Hmmm...

Zekrom+PV...

[GreyICE]

Unvote

,

Vote: kaboom

After skimming the thread:
Town are nat-slandaar-rob-jj-goodfather
meh are per-fod-bjc-phok
scum is kaboom-ice-lootifer.

Out of the meh pile, per and phok are leaning scum.

You can put your bouquets of flowers on the table with the others.

Oh god, and here MME joins Lootifier on the Kabooooom wagon. And the scum had daytalk, 100% proven.

...

Vote: MME

[GreyICE]

Yeah, MME. Yeah we are.

I'm going to look through the ISOs again, but with the firm knowledge that BJC

and

Lootifier were scum, hail mary plays start to look a lot more reasonable. 1-2 punches like this are horrific for the scumteam.

[GreyICE]

No, actually, you know what? My play this game has been the exact opposite of tunneling. I have made town reads, I have made scum reads. I have pushed those scum reads, and I have sheeped my town reads. And my scum reads have FLIPPED MOTHERFUCKING SCUM. We are sitting here on day 3 with 2 dead scum and 1 dead Vanilla Townie. In a situation that started out 10:3, we are now 9:1.

I didn't do it alone, but for fucks sake I do not have to sit here and take lip about my play this game.

[GreyICE]

It's not just pushing me. Fine, whatever, townies suspect me. In and of itself, not a scumtell, although I look hard at whoever is pushing me always.

Unvote

,

Vote: kaboom

After skimming the thread:
Town are nat-slandaar-rob-jj-goodfather
meh are per-fod-

bjc

-phok
scum is kaboom-ice-

lootifer

.

Out of the meh pile, per and phok are leaning scum.

You can put your bouquets of flowers on the table with the others.

Oooh such fun! I see its my turn to stand in front of the GreyICE firing squad.

Well best I start with the promised content before JJ and Grey explode with an overload of group-think (and to be fair I

did

promise material):

My problem with Kaboom is primarily due to his suspicion of GF, which is based on my town-read of GF. As a fellow newbie I have gone through his (GF's) exact thought process every time pressure has come on (in fact one such example happened not 5 minutes ago): the temptation to roll over and say "fuck it" (see: 36) is a strong one, and him doing so struck me as a genuine, rather than fabricated, reaction. As such Kabooms case, which is fairly elaborate, stood out as odd. The merits of Kaboom vs. GF in my mind were further emphasised by two experienced players coming out and reading town on GF - I am assuming there's at least

some

genuine town-aligned advice in there.

...

Last but not least bjc. I am reading him as scum, but unfortunately I think it's 80% to do with being influenced by the cases put forth by other people and 20% my own thought. I kind of see what other people are seeing in his posts, but I am having to admit to myself that I didn't see it first pass. Though 171 is useful: To me that is a good counter example of what I mean as a fabricated example of rolling over and saying "fuck it" (cf. GF's genuine version).

...

So overall my current status: I would be ok with a lynch on bjc, though i'd be opposed to cutting short the time we have available for further scum-hunting by lynching him immediately. I'd like to see some pressure on Kaboom. I'd oppose lynches on GreyICE and GF, and likely oppose a lynch on JJ (certainly D1 anyway). Anything else isn't worth the paper its written on (apart from my aforementioned dislike/suspicion of Rob W, but as you rightly point out it doesn't look like we'll see him again - if he does come back I would, obviously, like to get some answers).


VOTE: Kaboooooom

It's really two separate actions. The coordinated Kabooooom move, and the chainsaw on people voting bjc while claiming to have no read.

Both times you've had "scum reads" or "null reads" on scum, but acted in a way that preserves their life.

In conclusion, pv-lootifer for remaining scum, zek-phok as backups, everyone else is town.
I'll elaborate on request.

Vote: PeregrineV

Eeky you should vote Lootifer.

I might, but I don't like how this PV wagon is stalling.


Goodfather, what's your opinion on PV's claim?

And again.

I mean it could just be coincidence. But it really feels off to me.

[GreyICE]

I mean really, it's just "FOS scum, vote town"

[GreyICE]

He was under pressure, flailing, and looking for an excuse to explain why he hadn't claimed while at L-1. Remember ANY townie wandering in who hadn't voted for him could have dropped the hammer, instantly killing him.

I mean I'll still buy Zekrom, because I can see Natirasha YOLO voting bjc after the Lootifier disaster, but maaaan the MME slot has a hell of a lot of coincidences attached to it.

[GreyICE]

Oh yeah, and I was yelling at the top of my lungs for him to be instantly lynched after claim stalling (I should really start a diary of claim stalling just to make my point, the only time I've seen town do it is masons/innocent child). That tends to make scum feel like that's a likely thing to have happen (and man it would have been cool)

[GreyICE]

Vote: Zekrom

I was here first fucking tigers

[GreyICE]

I am posting to say that lets lynch Zekrom

[GreyICE]

Slandaar have any last words, since the chances of you living through the night are approximately zero?

[GreyICE]

And no, I won't assume Respalt is confirmed town because there could be a godfather (even if it would be asinine)

[GreyICE]

MME

YOU'RE OUR LAST HOPE FOR A LYNCH

BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE IS PRODDED OR REPLACED

JUST DO IT NIKE STYLE

[GreyICE]

COME ON

YOU MIGHT GET A CHANCE TO VOTE FOR SCUM FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS GAME

[GreyICE]

As long as we don't have to replace Baldeagle.

[GreyICE]

Meh why not. This is ridiculous, but we're 150 years from LyLo.

Vote: PV

Zekrom was scum, given his flip.

[GreyICE]

HF he claimed cop yesterday. I dunno why he's alive, but with two dead scum no questions here.

[GreyICE]

There was just so much wrong with that game.

Slandaar, nice cop play.

Although fucking hilarious we wagoned BJC+Loot day 1 and Loot+PV day 2.

With Zekrom town went from hilariously underpowered to hilariously overpowered based on scum power (essentially 3 goons with limited daytalk?)

[GreyICE]

Honestly, thank you everyone who replaced in. Even if this game was hilariously short after you did so.